Wikimedia Enterprise is live

[tarantino]

https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/pricing/

On-demand access starting at $25,000/year

Bulk data feed delivery starting at $50,000/year

Real-time data delivery contact for pricing

How many cups of coffee will this buy No Ledge?

[Vigilant]

https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/pricing/

On-demand access starting at $25,000/year

Bulk data feed delivery starting at $50,000/year

Real-time data delivery contact for pricing

How many cups of coffee will this buy No Ledge?

How do they square this with the perpetual begging for everyone else's coffee money?

[Midsize Jake]

Bulk data feed delivery starting at $50,000/year

Heck, I can get livestock feed delivered to the farm twice a week for less than that.

[Poetlister]

If it brings in a substantial income, we might see fewer begging notices. What's Jimbo's involvement in this?

[No Ledge]

Judging by his participation in this latest "office hour" "conversation"
Jimmy seems to still be heavily involved in everything of substance. He let the others handle the window-dressing questions (there were plenty of those, as they screen out the tough questions from guys like Andreas).

They asked about implementing Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0)

Of course they all agreed that this is nice, but oh, my the technical issues are so complex. Those pesky attribution requirements:

You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made
In 4.0, you must indicate if you modified the material and retain an indication of previous modifications. In 3.0 and earlier license versions, the indication of changes is only required if you create a derivative. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.

I suspect it'll be a long time before they find enough resources to implement this, when they have so many more important uses for their money, like giveaways to the Tides.

[Poetlister]

ShareAlike means that if you use the material, you must release your derivative product under the same licence. That's very cumbersome and difficult to enforce. It would also hinder commercial use, which presumably the WMF does not want to do.

[Poetlister]

Our friend Andreas Kolbe nicely explains the cc-by issue.

Wikidata's CC0 licence and database rights are the reason why there was a
proposed amendment[1] to the WMF Terms of Use that was supposed to
accompany any upgrade to 4.0. This included the words:

Where you own Sui Generis Database Rights covered by CC BY-SA 4.0, you
waive these rights. As an example, this means facts you contribute to the
projects may be reused freely without attribution.

It was originally thought[2] that Wikidata under CC0 would not be allowed
to import content from a Share-Alike data source like Wikipedia (CC BY-SA 3.0).

But in the end, the view prevailed that 3.0 provided enough "wiggle room"
regarding database rights to risk the extraction of Wikipedia content to
Wikidata.

Version 4.0, however, removed that "wiggle room" by explicitly including
database rights – hence any upgrade to 4.0 would require the above waiver
to be added to the Terms of Use, or the relationship between Wikidata and
Wikipedia would not be able to continue as before.

This was explicitly confirmed[3] by WMF Legal Counsel Leighanna Mixter at the time:

"This issue is one of the main reasons we have the sentence about waiving
database rights. ... The waiver language we added makes sure that copying
facts to Wikidata doesn’t have the CC 4.0 limitations anywhere, so that
bits of data can freely be copied over and put under the Wikidata CC0 license.

There was quite a lot of pushback[4] against this proposed waiver in the
Terms of Use, in particular from Wikimedians in Europe, where database
rights are more established.

Another sticking point, again particularly for some European users, was
that 4.0 itself includes an explicit waiver of "moral rights" as well as
"publicity, privacy, and personality rights".[5]

Andreas

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_o ... s_4.0/Diff
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? ... id=3875379
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? ... d=15967385
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? ... opposition
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? ... 921#Oppose

[Moral Hazard]

If it brings in a substantial income, we might see fewer begging notices.

Like most non-profits, the WMF is run by the staff for the staff.

WMF employees hope to earn more in future jobs, so staff-members focus on improving metrics that shall impress future employers.

The fundraising staff has to improve its fundraising, regardless of the needs of the encyclopedia mission.

[Poetlister]

If it brings in a substantial income, we might see fewer begging notices.

Like most non-profits, the WMF is run by the staff for the staff.

WMF employees hope to earn more in future jobs, so staff-members focus on improving metrics that shall impress future employers.

The fundraising staff has to improve its fundraising, regardless of the needs of the encyclopedia mission.

That makes sense. However, if more people realise that the WMF is raising money for the sake of it and not spending the surplus on furthering the WMF's alleged aims, it might make having the WMF on your CV look like a black mark.

[tarantino]

Wikimedia Enterprise announces Google and Internet Archive as its first customers
By Wikimedia Foundation•21 June 2022

Google is paying who knows how much. Internet Archive gets free access. There's a video of an "Enterprise community" meeting recorded the day after the announcement, that was quietly added to the meta enterprise page.

[The Blue Newt]

If it brings in a substantial income, we might see fewer begging notices.

Like most non-profits, the WMF is run by the staff for the staff.

WMF employees hope to earn more in future jobs, so staff-members focus on improving metrics that shall impress future employers.

The fundraising staff has to improve its fundraising, regardless of the needs of the encyclopedia mission.

That makes sense. However, if more people realise that the WMF is raising money for the sake of it and not spending the surplus on furthering the WMF's alleged aims, it might make having the WMF on your CV look like a black mark.

Again, not to people who are looking to work for other demigrifters.

[thekohser]

Wikimedia Enterprise announces Google and Internet Archive as its first customers
By Wikimedia Foundation•21 June 2022

Google is paying who knows how much. Internet Archive gets free access. There's a video of an "Enterprise community" meeting recorded the day after the announcement, that was quietly added to the meta enterprise page.

I have $10 for each of the first five people who can watch the entire video and stay awake for the duration. (Rule: no stimulant usage is permitted!)