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by Poetlister » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:32 pm
Go to Google. Search for, ‘Lazarus and the rich man’’. The search takes you to Wikipedia.
At Wikipedia, the most prominent feature that arrests attention is a cartoon illustration of the bible story told by Jesus about a rich man who wined and dined while a poor man, Lazarus, sat at the door begging for crumbs and getting none. Lazarus died and went to heaven, the rich man died and went to hell.
Nice drawing, except that it is one of the most dehumanising renditions in the history of racism, an assault on the African mind. To the Wikipedia cartoonist, Satan and his demons are black (African) while God and his praying angels are Caucasian (white).
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The Wikipedia article is
Rich man and Lazarus (T-H-L). The cartoon is shown below. Of course, it was not drawn by any Wikipedia cartoonist; it is taken from a thousand-year-old manuscript. Still, it could certainly be regarded as offensive.
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by Beeblebrox » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:29 pm
Oh no, a poorly researched article from a Christian-oriented media company in Ghana has exposed that European people were super racist 1000 year ago.
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by Ada Sinn » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:01 am
"Wikipedia cartoonist"
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by Beeblebrox » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:30 am
Ada Sinn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:01 am
"Wikipedia cartoonist"
made my day
Yeah, that is pretty special.
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by Randy from Boise » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:06 am
Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:29 pm
Oh no, a poorly researched article from a Christian-oriented media company in Ghana has exposed that European people were super racist 1000 year ago.
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Why is this a thread?
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by Parabola » Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:18 am
do you really just have a google search alert for wikipedia so you can make new threads
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by Zoloft » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:42 am
Parabola wrote: ↑Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:18 am
do you really just have a google search alert for wikipedia so you can make new threads
Ever looked at the front page of our site?
On the right side:
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by watis » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:39 pm
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by Giraffe Stapler » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:45 pm
Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:29 pm
Oh no, a poorly researched article from a Christian-oriented media company in Ghana has exposed that European people were super racist 1000 year ago.
And in 2021, Wikipedia editors chose that particular image to be featured in the infobox...
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by AndyTheGrump » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:07 pm
I'd think it fairly unlikely that the person responsible for the illustration, from the
Codex Aureus of Echternach (T-H-L) intended to portray 'black people'. Or human beings at all. They are demons - supernatural creatures associate in Christianity with evil. They have forked tongues, and claws.
Whether, given more recent ideas about 'race', Wikipedia should be using the illustration is of course open to question, all the same.
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by Bezdomni » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:20 pm
Enimil Ashon wrote:I’d be surprised if Wikipedia doesn’t know about these new revelations.
But Africans have our own chroniclers too. Lawyer
Kobina Sekyi (T-H-L)’s play, ‘The Blinkards’, tells the carry-forward effect inside colonial Africa. Films like ‘Black Girl’ and ‘Emitai’, among others by Senegalese
Ousmane Sembène (T-H-L), ‘Love Brewed in the African pot’ and ‘Heritage Africa’ by Ghanaian
Kwaw Ansah (T-H-L)’s set out to reverse the narrative.
Of the works and authors cited here only ‘The Blinkards’ lacks a page anywhere in the WMF universe. It
doesn't didn't even have a wikidata entry. Ousmane Sembène, by contrast, has bios written in 36 languages on *.wp.
That "trinity audio" app Enimil uses is
really surprising: it seems to be border blasting American English globally with remarkably authentic suprasegmentals.
Enimil Ashon wrote:It is a 21st century lap in the imperialism relay.
ed: I added The Blinkards to WD. Also, in this paragraph
Enimil Ashon wrote:‘Mr English at Home’ (1940) and ‘An African in London’ were films that taught British etiquette to Africans. Others like ‘Lusaka Calling’ (1951) were used to introduce Africans to western goods such as transistor radio. ‘Leprosy’ (1952) set out to demonstrate the superiority of western medicine while ‘Men of Two Worlds’ ridiculed the African witchdoctor and discredited African traditional healing processes.
only the movie mentioned last has a WMF page that I found.
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by Poetlister » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:25 pm
The trouble is that what is harmless and no more than a historical curiosity to some is offensive to others, possibly through a misunderstanding. Should the picture be removed because some people have been offended? I can imagine that if the question were raised, there would be shouts of WP:NOTCENSORED. There is a second illustration from a mediaeval manuscript which I think also shows a black devil.
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by Beeblebrox » Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:03 pm
It's a valid conversation to have, if we aren't coming from the absurdly, laughably incorrect premise that any of these images is a "Wikipedia cartoon." I think we're all used to seeing articles abut WP where they get little things wrong, not grasping the details of the more inside stuff, that's understandable, but this is not. This is just someone who made up their mind about what they were seeing and looked no further. That's not how journalism works, or at least not how it is supposed to work.
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by thekohser » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:29 am
Speaking of Wikipedia cartoonists, remember
this one?
"...making nonsensical connections and culminating in feigned surprise, since 2006..."