Hawkeye7 @ RfA

[Moral Hazard]

Socially dumb or just dumb.

[Kumioko]

This has zero chance of passing and I suspect many could have informed him as such had he asked.

Don't forget that for this RFA administrator Dweller nominated him. That administrator should have seen what was going to happen at this RFA. If not, their judgment isn't very good at all.

Exactly.

Aside from having been desysopped Hawkeye is an editor and editors don't pass RFA. Unless he spends all his time at the stuff for deletion boards, chasing socks around SPI, Welcoming new users and loitering around the new edits feeds looking for vandalism to revert, he isn't going to pass.

Another trend that others might have noticed is that the last 5 or so that passed were all active on either my Wikipedia discord server, IRC or both. So if he hopes to pass RFA, he should start occasionally showing up on those 2 forums.

[10920]

Aside from having been desysopped Hawkeye is an editor and editors don't pass RFA.

I don't even know what this means. Plenty of people with substantial mainspace editing have passed RfA.

Are you saying Hawkeye is an "editor" because he doesn't spend enough time at AfD or whatever?

Had he stuck to editing, he'd be a good candidate. It's when he got sidetracked into grifting with LH...

[Kumioko]

Aside from having been desysopped Hawkeye is an editor and editors don't pass RFA.

I don't even know what this means. Plenty of people with substantial mainspace editing have passed RfA.

Are you saying Hawkeye is an "editor" because he doesn't spend enough time at AfD or whatever?

What I mean is that he is primarily does article development so that's a mark against him. So since he doesn't spend much time in admin areas and primarily is an editor, vice admin or wanna be admin working in those areas, he isn't likely to pass. Look at all the people who have passed RFA in the last 5+ years. Almost none of them were content builders, they were gnomes and toiled in admin areas doing busy work instead of building an encyclopedia. People who are there to build an encyclopedia are looked down upon and therefore, not worthy of RFA even if he didn't already have a mark against him.

[10920]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

[Eric Corbett]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

A very few voters do, but most RfA candidates couldn't write their way out of a paper bag and still get through.

[Eric Corbett]

Aside from having been desysopped Hawkeye is an editor and editors don't pass RFA.

I don't even know what this means. Plenty of people with substantial mainspace editing have passed RfA.

Are you saying Hawkeye is an "editor" because he doesn't spend enough time at AfD or whatever?

What I mean is that he is primarily does article development so that's a mark against him. So since he doesn't spend much time in admin areas and primarily is an editor, vice admin or wanna be admin working in those areas, he isn't likely to pass. Look at all the people who have passed RFA in the last 5+ years. Almost none of them were content builders, they were gnomes and toiled in admin areas doing busy work instead of building an encyclopedia. People who are there to build an encyclopedia are looked down upon and therefore, not worthy of RFA even if he didn't already have a mark against him.

The most common criticism I see at RfA is "doesn't need the tools", which to be fair most content editors don't. Which automatically categorises them as some kind of feudal underclass, working to maintain the status and authority of their overlords.

[Poetlister]

Now 22/22/6 - worse than Mr 88, who at least always had a majority of supports. He needs to withdraw before he's completely humiliated.

[mendaliv]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

[Kumioko]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

Actually very few admin candidates had an RFA in the last few years. Some had GA's but it's pretty easy to get a GA so that's not really saying much. I could get at least 5-10 GA's a week depending on the topic fairly easily and probably 3-5 FA's a month. I'm sure Eric Corbett could do more than that.

[Eric Corbett]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

There's a balance to be struck. FA is far too high a bar for most editors, and GA for many, but there's needs to be some evidence of actually trying to contribute some decent content, with all that entails.

But of course you could always rely on the moronic "Why not?" voters to tun up, so who knows.

[Vigilant]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

Actually very few admin candidates had an RFA in the last few years. Some had GA's but it's pretty easy to get a GA so that's not really saying much. I could get at least 5-10 GA's a week depending on the topic fairly easily and probably 3-5 FA's a month. I'm sure Eric Corbett could do more than that.

Someone should nominate Eric for RfA!!

[Eric Corbett]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

Actually very few admin candidates had an RFA in the last few years. Some had GA's but it's pretty easy to get a GA so that's not really saying much. I could get at least 5-10 GA's a week depending on the topic fairly easily and probably 3-5 FA's a month. I'm sure Eric Corbett could do more than that.

Ah, now you have touched a raw nerve. It may be that GA has got easier, but even now I couldn't write even one GA a week, and probably never could.

[Poetlister]

Quite simply, his nominators shouldn't have done it. They should have told him in no uncertain terms that it's a waste of time and he'd end up with egg on his face.

[Eric Corbett]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

Actually very few admin candidates had an RFA in the last few years. Some had GA's but it's pretty easy to get a GA so that's not really saying much. I could get at least 5-10 GA's a week depending on the topic fairly easily and probably 3-5 FA's a month. I'm sure Eric Corbett could do more than that.

Someone should nominate Eric for RfA!!

As I'm sure you're fully aware that's already been done, the first one sunk by a pornographic actress fan I happened to upset.

[Poetlister]

As I'm sure you're fully aware that's already been done, the first one sunk by a pornographic actress fan I happened to upset.

Well, if you will attract fans who are pornographic actresses ...

[Eric Corbett]

As I'm sure you're fully aware that's already been done, the first one sunk by a pornographic actress fan I happened to upset.

Well, if you will attract fans who are pornographic actresses ...

I think that, once again, you may have misread or misunderstood what I wrote.

[mendaliv]

Quite simply, his nominators shouldn't have done it. They should have told him in no uncertain terms that it's a waste of time and he'd end up with egg on his face.

Actually from what I saw, it was Dweller who suggested it was a good time for a run rather than Hawkeye7 seeking a nomination.

[Jans Hammer]

Now 22/22/6 - worse than Mr 88, who at least always had a majority of supports. He needs to withdraw before he's completely humiliated.

He's started answering questions....

[10920]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

From my observations of RfA, enough people are insistent on it that if you don't have article-writing experience, it will sink your RfA. Whether it's X amount of GAs or FAs or something else, enough want to see content-building.

Sure, there are people who don't care about it, but the big change with RfAs came when they unbundled rollback. After they unbundled rollback, people who were just vandal-fighters couldn't get through anymore.

Before that, I suppose people could just argue they needed to be a sysop so they could have rollback, etc.

[Beeblebrox]

i could've sworn somebody over here predicted this RFA in the Framgate thread, but it's so very long I can't be bothered to look for it...

[Vigilant]

As I'm sure you're fully aware that's already been done, the first one sunk by a pornographic actress fan I happened to upset.

Well, if you will attract fans who are pornographic actresses ...

Eric couldn’t attract someone like that if he were at their annual convention and was covered in $100 bills.

[Black Kite]

I just went for the obvious.

60 useful admin actions (plus a few page moves) in 28 months. In other words, couldn't be bothered to be an actual admin.

An easy oppose even before you mention Laura Hale or Fram.

[Kumioko]

It's hard to pass an RfA without a GA or FA to your credit.

A number of voters insist upon having such credits.

It’s actually one of the things that’s kept me from taking the plunge. Not so much that people are insistent upon it as much as they used to be, but because I think I should insist upon it from myself.

Actually very few admin candidates had an RFA in the last few years. Some had GA's but it's pretty easy to get a GA so that's not really saying much. I could get at least 5-10 GA's a week depending on the topic fairly easily and probably 3-5 FA's a month. I'm sure Eric Corbett could do more than that.

Ah, now you have touched a raw nerve. It may be that GA has got easier, but even now I couldn't write even one GA a week, and probably never could.

For me it depends on the topic but I can crank out quite a few Biography GA's rather quickly, or at least I could in the past. It does require some effort, but I used to stack them by working on several related ones at once and, by reviewing other people's GA's, they usually reviewed mine rather quickly. Like FA, once you do the first couple and learn what they are looking for, then you can do more fairly quickly.

[mendaliv]

I just went for the obvious.

60 useful admin actions (plus a few page moves) in 28 months. In other words, couldn't be bothered to be an actual admin.

An easy oppose even before you mention Laura Hale or Fram.

It’s a great point especially if you consider that we have enough trouble with people who are barely admins. At the very least it counters any support argument based on past experience.

[eagle]

In this thread, at least one insinuation seems wrong. All that is publicly written by Laura Hale is that Hawkeye7 was her landlord, which is hardly relevant now and it seems ungentlemanly to bring it up.

Correct:

1) Laura Hale - Hawkeye7 had a rent-free landlord relationship, but they were also actively collaborating on en:WP and in WMAU politics. EDIT: In at least one posting, LH stated that by providing rent-free housing, her studies in Australia became financially possible. LH had extensive experience running a Fan History wiki using MediaWiki software but was reluctant to get involved in editing Wikipedia. However her professors and WMAU convinced her to try it, and she promised to bring glory to her department by elevating Netball (T-H-L) to FA. The review became problematic and Racepacket closed it with comments documenting the problems. LH claimed that she could close the review by withdrawing the nomination and they got into an edit war. Courcelles locked it with the LH version. LH then quickly renominated the article for GA and Hawkeye7 jumped in as reviewer before anyone neutral could volunteer, and quickly approved the GA, which was demoted by the community. LH then went for FA and was quickly snowballed. Hawkeye7 was blocking several users who disagreed with LH on the merits of the GA reviews. He later claimed this was because he thought they were socks of Racepacket.

2) LH then was one of the people (including John Vandenburg) sharing a $110,000 grant to write a history of the Australian Paralympic Committee. Their proposal was to do this on-wiki. As an incentive, the APC and the WMAU (of which LH was VP and Vandenburg was P) co-sponsored a WikiCup-like contest to get the articles researched and written. Only 3 people tried to participate. However, LH and Hawkeye7 decided to take the allocated prize funds and go to London to cover the 2012 Paralympic Games for Wikinews.

3) There were times when Fram tried to ban LH from DYK for incompetence, and Hawkeye7 was quick to jump in to defend her.

4) There was an attempted coup at WMAU where the opposition slate included LH as President and Hawkeye7 as Treasurer.

So they were WP:INVOLVED in the en:WP sense, if not the Hollywood sense. LH moved out and settled in Madrid with her future wife, the Chair of the WMF Board. All of this is summarized in the other Hawkeye7 @ RfA thread.

[Starke Hathaway]

i could've sworn somebody over here predicted this RFA in the Framgate thread, but it's so very long I can't be bothered to look for it...

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[lonza leggiera]

…

In this thread, at least one insinuation seems wrong. All that is publicly written by Laura Hale is that Hawkeye7 was her landlord, which is hardly relevant now and it seems ungentlemanly to bring it up.

Not quite all.

[ZettaComposer]

Quite simply, his nominators shouldn't have done it. They should have told him in no uncertain terms that it's a waste of time and he'd end up with egg on his face.

Actually from what I saw, it was Dweller who suggested it was a good time for a run rather than Hawkeye7 seeking a nomination.

Looks like Dweller was following up on a comment he made in this BN thread back in July 2018:

I can understand the frustration of no longer having the tools if you were once used to them, but I echo some of the comments above that your complaint is likely to irritate. If you don't edit about this between now and then and we're both still editing, drop me a line in Jan 2019. If I'm satisfied you've addressed at least some of the concerns raised at the last RfA, I'll nominate you. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:52, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Personally, I think Hawkeye's decision to even start that BN thread, let alone his conduct within, is a good reason to never give him the tools back among the myriad other reasons to oppose.

[mendaliv]

Personally, I think Hawkeye's decision to even start that BN thread, let alone his conduct within, is a good reason to never give him the tools back among the myriad other reasons to oppose.

And then there was this genius post at WJBScribe's user talk at the beginning of Framgate:

Since you're restoring admin rights under WP:IAR, could I have mine restored too? I have an unblemished record over the last seven years.

When Fastily reverted that post with the edit summary, "rv blatant trolling, you should know better than this", Hawkeye7 restored it with the edit summary "I am as entitled to have my admin status restored as anyone else". Apparently Hawkeye7 thought better of it, and reverted it about a half hour later with the edit summary "Missed the boat again".

(hat tip to Beeblebrox)

[eagle]

Most intriguing answer of the RfA so far:

12. Do you have any additional conflicts-of-interest that you wish to disclose at this time, including but not limited to conflicts-of-interest involving users on whom you have edited on their behalf, involvement with members of the WMF Board of Trustees, or involving the WMF's process for grants? CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
A: No, I don't. I have no involvement with the WMF Board of Trustees. I spoke to Jimbo in Hong Kong once. I have applied for some grants in the past in relation to the work on the Paralympic articles, and got one, for Germany in 2018. I did get partial scholarships to attend Wikimania in Hog Kong in 2013 and in Esino Lautio in 2016. With respect to WP:FRAM, I don't have any involvement in it, I don't know anything about it except what has been published on this site, I don't have any inside information on it. When it first blew up I my first thought was that he must have interfered with a software rollout. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

What about the all expense paid trip to the 2012 London Paralympic Games?
What about applying for the grant to travel from Australia to Colorado only to have the application denied while en route?
By any chance, were you supplying rent-free accommodations to the future wife of the current WMF Board Chair whose complaint launched the FRAMBAN?

A close second is:

13. Can you please explain why you would feel that you should have admin tools now?
A: The main reason is the upcoming Paralympic Games in Tokyo in 2020. This will be my last content creation effort. Experience in London and Rio has shown that they are extremely useful in time critical situations. DYK queues are likely to be flooded with articles created by the project, but the admin toolkit is needed for work on page moves.

To translate this answer into English, "my side activity is to use Wikipedia to drum up publicity for the Australian Paralympic Committee and LH and I report page views, # of GAs etc back to them. I want to go to Tokyo not only to write Wikinews stories (which few people read) but to also do quick biographies of people who win Paralympic medals there. To get maximum page views, I need to not only write the bios, but also get them to run in DYK on the WP main page. Being an admin allows me to help manage the DYK queues and if necessary hop ahead of other deserving articles. I will then report my page views gained back to the Australian Paralympic Committee." I suppose a skeptic would then ask whether Hawkeye7's primary loyalty is to an NPOV encyclopedia or the Australian Paralympic Committee.

[10920]

Quite simply, his nominators shouldn't have done it. They should have told him in no uncertain terms that it's a waste of time and he'd end up with egg on his face.

Actually from what I saw, it was Dweller who suggested it was a good time for a run rather than Hawkeye7 seeking a nomination.

Looks like Dweller was following up on a comment he made in this BN thread back in July 2018:


Personally, I think Hawkeye's decision to even start that BN thread, let alone his conduct within, is a good reason to never give him the tools back among the myriad other reasons to oppose.

yeah, linked to that one earlier. Dweller was simply making good on it.

[10920]

To translate this answer into English, "my side activity is to use Wikipedia to drum up publicity for the Australian Paralympic Committee and LH and I report page views, # of GAs etc back to them. I want to go to Tokyo not only to write Wikinews stories (which few people read) but to also do quick biographies of people who win Paralympic medals there. To get maximum page views, I need to not only write the bios, but also get them to run in DYK on the WP main page. Being an admin allows me to help manage the DYK queues and if necessary hop ahead of other deserving articles. I will then report my page views gained back to the Australian Paralympic Committee."

Seems like a good translation to me.

[Smiley]

The absolute state of this kid...

[mendaliv]

The absolute state of this kid...

I half wonder if that's in the supports to force supporters who ignore the oppose section to see the arguments and reconsider their positions.

[10920]

Is that better or worse than a HTD support?

[Jans Hammer]

I just went for the obvious.

60 useful admin actions (plus a few page moves) in 28 months. In other words, couldn't be bothered to be an actual admin.

An easy oppose even before you mention Laura Hale or Fram.

It’s a great point especially if you consider that we have enough trouble with people who are barely admins. At the very least it counters any support argument based on past experience.

Unless you are suggesting that he would be supportable were his proven track record of Admin actions justification enough for the request, it looks like a rather lame and disingenuous oppose. Or do you think that the opposes based on all sorts of other reasons are not reasons you would associate with? Or do you not like to call a spade a spade?

[mendaliv]

I just went for the obvious.

60 useful admin actions (plus a few page moves) in 28 months. In other words, couldn't be bothered to be an actual admin.

An easy oppose even before you mention Laura Hale or Fram.

It’s a great point especially if you consider that we have enough trouble with people who are barely admins. At the very least it counters any support argument based on past experience.

Unless you are suggesting that he would be supportable were his proven track record of Admin actions justification enough for the request, it looks like a rather lame and disingenuous oppose. Or do you think that the opposes based on all sorts of other reasons are not reasons you would associate with? Or do you not like to call a spade a spade?

Eh, you don't have to use a blunderbuss to oppose when there's one good reason you have, especially if it's a reason not everyone's picking up on.

[Jans Hammer]

I just went for the obvious.

60 useful admin actions (plus a few page moves) in 28 months. In other words, couldn't be bothered to be an actual admin.

An easy oppose even before you mention Laura Hale or Fram.

It’s a great point especially if you consider that we have enough trouble with people who are barely admins. At the very least it counters any support argument based on past experience.

Unless you are suggesting that he would be supportable were his proven track record of Admin actions justification enough for the request, it looks like a rather lame and disingenuous oppose. Or do you think that the opposes based on all sorts of other reasons are not reasons you would associate with? Or do you not like to call a spade a spade?

Eh, you don't have to use a blunderbuss to oppose when there's one good reason you have, especially if it's a reason not everyone's picking up on.

In what way are opposes other than the one you have piggy-backed on "blunderbusses"? Are you implying that Kite's oppose is somehow more logical, ethical or fairer?

[mendaliv]

In what way are opposes other than the one you have piggy-backed on "blunderbusses"? Are you implying that Kite's oppose is somehow more logical, ethical or fairer?

No, I'm saying that there's no reason for Black Kite to have to dump a kitchen sink of reasons into his single oppose. In fact, I would argue there's more value to having several well-reasoned opposes each dedicated to a particular problem with the candidate than trying to cram everything into a single oppose.

It's like suing someone. You don't generally throw absolutely every little thing you can into your briefs. You pick your strongest arguments that you can articulate adequately within the space constraints (whether customary or formal). And here, treating the claim of experience as an admin as fallacious as a threshold issue—i.e., deciding the matter before reaching LH or other thornier reasons to oppose—insulates that specific oppose from the same criticisms that might be leveled at ones focusing on association with LH or weird things with WMAU, funding, or whatever else there is.

[Jans Hammer]

In what way are opposes other than the one you have piggy-backed on "blunderbusses"? Are you implying that Kite's oppose is somehow more logical, ethical or fairer?

No, I'm saying that there's no reason for Black Kite to have to dump a kitchen sink of reasons into his single oppose. In fact, I would argue there's more value to having several well-reasoned opposes each dedicated to a particular problem with the candidate than trying to cram everything into a single oppose.

It's like suing someone. You don't generally throw absolutely every little thing you can into your briefs. You pick your strongest arguments that you can articulate adequately within the space constraints (whether customary or formal). And here, treating the claim of experience as an admin as fallacious as a threshold issue—i.e., deciding the matter before reaching LH or other thornier reasons to oppose—insulates that specific oppose from the same criticisms that might be leveled at ones focusing on association with LH or weird things with WMAU, funding, or whatever else there is.

If you take someone who is a total rat, telling them that they are more like a vole seems like artifice. But I'm not a lawyer. If I'm honest, if it had been anyone else but Black Kite's oppose I would not have commented. But he's an Eric supporter and was a complete bell-end in the Floq2 RfA so he has no credibility as far as I am concerned.

[Moral Hazard]

What about the all expense paid trip to the 2012 London Paralympic Games?
What about applying for the grant to travel from Australia to Colorado only to have the application denied while en route?
By any chance, were you supplying rent-free accommodations to the future wife of the current WMF Board Chair whose complaint launched the FRAMBAN?

A close second is:

13. Can you please explain why you would feel that you should have admin tools now?
A: The main reason is the upcoming Paralympic Games in Tokyo in 2020. This will be my last content creation effort. Experience in London and Rio has shown that they are extremely useful in time critical situations. DYK queues are likely to be flooded with articles created by the project, but the admin toolkit is needed for work on page moves.

To translate this answer into English, "my side activity is to use Wikipedia to drum up publicity for the Australian Paralympic Committee and LH and I report page views, # of GAs etc back to them. I want to go to Tokyo not only to write Wikinews stories (which few people read) but to also do quick biographies of people who win Paralympic medals there. To get maximum page views, I need to not only write the bios, but also get them to run in DYK on the WP main page. Being an admin allows me to help manage the DYK queues and if necessary hop ahead of other deserving articles. I will then report my page views gained back to the Australian Paralympic Committee." I suppose a skeptic would then ask whether Hawkeye7's primary loyalty is to an NPOV encyclopedia or the Australian Paralympic Committee.

In the Garth Ennis (T-H-L) comic The Boys (comic) (T-H-L), the character Monkey has an erotic obsession with paralympians.

[Moral Hazard]

there's no reason for Black Kite to have to dump a kitchen sink of reasons into his single oppose. In fact, I would argue there's more value to having several well-reasoned opposes each dedicated to a particular problem with the candidate than trying to cram everything into a single oppose.

It's like suing someone. You don't generally throw absolutely every little thing you can into your briefs. You pick your strongest arguments that you can articulate adequately within the space constraints (whether customary or formal). And here, treating the claim of experience as an admin as fallacious as a threshold issue—i.e., deciding the matter before reaching LH or other thornier reasons to oppose—insulates that specific oppose from the same criticisms that might be leveled at ones focusing on association with LH or weird things with WMAU, funding, or whatever else there is.

A model oppose could have this form:

Oppose: [New argument with evidence]. Also, per the oppose-statements by [Editor 1, etc. ].

[mendaliv]

there's no reason for Black Kite to have to dump a kitchen sink of reasons into his single oppose. In fact, I would argue there's more value to having several well-reasoned opposes each dedicated to a particular problem with the candidate than trying to cram everything into a single oppose.

It's like suing someone. You don't generally throw absolutely every little thing you can into your briefs. You pick your strongest arguments that you can articulate adequately within the space constraints (whether customary or formal). And here, treating the claim of experience as an admin as fallacious as a threshold issue—i.e., deciding the matter before reaching LH or other thornier reasons to oppose—insulates that specific oppose from the same criticisms that might be leveled at ones focusing on association with LH or weird things with WMAU, funding, or whatever else there is.

A model oppose could have this form:

Oppose: [New argument with evidence]. Also, per the oppose-statements by [Editor 1, etc. ].

Yep that would probably be a decent way to do it.

[Poetlister]

Actually very few admin candidates had an RFA in the last few years.

[Poetlister]

As I'm sure you're fully aware that's already been done, the first one sunk by a pornographic actress fan I happened to upset.

Well, if you will attract fans who are pornographic actresses ...

I think that, once again, you may have misread or misunderstood what I wrote.

I didn't misunderstand. I was humorously pointing out that you could easily be misunderstood.

[greyed.out.fields]

"blunderbusses"

Wait, wait: I thought that, strictly speaking, the correct plural of blunderbuss was "blunderbodes"?

[Poetlister]

In what way are opposes other than the one you have piggy-backed on "blunderbusses"? Are you implying that Kite's oppose is somehow more logical, ethical or fairer?

It must be. He's an admin.

[Black Kite]

If you take someone who is a total rat, telling them that they are more like a vole seems like artifice. But I'm not a lawyer. If I'm honest, if it had been anyone else but Black Kite's oppose I would not have commented. But he's an Eric supporter and was a complete bell-end in the Floq2 RfA so he has no credibility as far as I am concerned.

Thanks Jans. But my rationale was to make a point - that I don't think anyone else had - about Hawkeye7's complete lack of actual admin work, which I suspect might have been lost if I'd buried it in a pile of Fram/Hale/per everyone else stuff.

[Jans Hammer]

If you take someone who is a total rat, telling them that they are more like a vole seems like artifice. But I'm not a lawyer. If I'm honest, if it had been anyone else but Black Kite's oppose I would not have commented. But he's an Eric supporter and was a complete bell-end in the Floq2 RfA so he has no credibility as far as I am concerned.

Thanks Jans. But my rationale was to make a point - that I don't think anyone else had - about Hawkeye7's complete lack of actual admin work, which I suspect might have been lost if I'd buried it in a pile of Fram/Hale/per everyone else stuff.

Almost every RFA comes with zero experience or past Admin activities. That's why they are RFA. The guy said what areas he "intended" to work in - which in a normal candidate would be welcome. So why refer to his past record which, if we AGF, would have nothing to do with his intended future work areas? It calls for speculation, whereas the legitimate reasons to oppose are based on recorded fact.