Monkey selfie & Commons

[Kumioko]

Lol, thanks Poetlister, I was trying to find that when I posted but couldn't locate it.

[Vigilant]

Jimbo sure changes his mind a lot

I think we get the balance right. Fair use is important, and we both should and do rely on it in relevant cases. A canonical example would be the Pulitzer Prize winning photo we show in Elián González.

But encouraging more use of fair use opens the door to a lot of nonsense, and closes the door to a strong incentive for people to create freely licensed content.

I strongly support Wikipedia:NFCCP.

But this is the sort of discussion that might be more informative all around if we were discussing specific examples.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 07:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

You mean like the Monkey Selfie and the absolute asshat you were in that debacle?

You're a dickhole, Jimmy.

[Hemiauchenia]

Jimbo sure changes his mind a lot

I think we get the balance right. Fair use is important, and we both should and do rely on it in relevant cases. A canonical example would be the Pulitzer Prize winning photo we show in Elián González.

But encouraging more use of fair use opens the door to a lot of nonsense, and closes the door to a strong incentive for people to create freely licensed content.

I strongly support Wikipedia:NFCCP.

But this is the sort of discussion that might be more informative all around if we were discussing specific examples.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 07:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

You mean like the Monkey Selfie and the absolute asshat you were in that debacle?

You're a dickhole, Jimmy.

The monkey selfie dispute was a needlessly dickish act to do to a struggling freelance photographer, I think that NYBrad's comment that the WMF's conduct was " appalling -- if not on a purely legal level, then certainly as a matter of fairness and decency" to be spot on, though PETA's decision to sue him which left him broke was obviously much worse.

[Bezdomni]

The US Copyright Office later confirmed that the monkey could not own the copyright – just as machines and spirits cannot – as a modicum of creativity and intent was required.

Google says they hold copyright to this man flying the bird because they are a legal person that can afford to pay skilly drivers to drive by our creative gestures & œuvres with their pricey glass... whereas no freedom of panorama for commercial use is allowed in France, œuf corse.



I claim fair rights use to show that there is resistance to our droning overlords within the images themselves.

And as for bathhouse spirits not owning their own images, that's a rather bold statement I hope that office clerk shall never have cause to regret.

[Beeblebrox]

I was amused by the monkey selfie, because I Iike monkeys .. like a lot.. also I think a lot of "wild animal photographers" are full of shit. That comes from living near a place where bald eagles used to gather in large numbers only because a well-meaning person named Jean Keene (T-H-L) wanted them to. (she was a very sweet woman who was totally sincere in what she was doing, I just happen to disagree)

All that being said, the over-the-top reposting of it was a bit much, and really not a good look.

[The Garbage Scow]

I Iike monkeys

A bit of 1994 nostalgia
https://monkey.org/jape/monkeystory.html

[el84]

I Iike monkeys

A bit of 1994 nostalgia
https://monkey.org/jape/monkeystory.html

Also in Clickbate youtube form: https://youtu.be/ckQw50MTeTY?t=364

(no idea how to embed that at the listed time)

[Beeblebrox]

fun fact: this is one of the few music videos to have actually been recorded with videotape: