Sorry to drag this out longer but why can there be “broad consensus” on the borders of continents (or individual countries, for that matter) but not on what constitutes far-right politics or a far-right politician?
There is broad consensus on what constitutes far-right politics or far-right politicians. The problem is that the average empty-headed Trump-worshipping mouth-breather has been led to believe that you can just say idiotic things like "Marjorie Taylor Greene isn't a far-right politician" and the simple act of speaking those words makes it true, since they watched Trump attempt the same thing for 4 years. They can't fathom that making claims that are contrary to the well-established mainstream opinion of the literate population of the planet might require a bit more sophisticated evidence than "yEaH bUt ShE sHoOk BeRnIe'S hAnD oNe TiMe, sO hOw CoUlD sHe bE fAr RiGhT????".
Sorry to drag this out longer but why can there be “broad consensus” on the borders of continents (or individual countries, for that matter) but not on what constitutes far-right politics or a far-right politician?
Wikipedia should avoid stating opinions in Wiki-voice. A fact would be that so-and-so said that Greene was "far-right", attributing the opinion to a person or organization who stated that opinion.
Hey, genius. That's what those little numbers are for on Wikipedia articles. When you see a little number like this[2], you can click on it to see what source that part of the article is referenced to. That saves us from having to write every sentence like, "According to the journalist John Smith from the New York Times on January 9, 2021, Trump is a moron." This is called a footnote. They usually don't have them in comic books, so you might have not seen it before.
Wikipedia should avoid stating opinions in Wiki-voice. A fact would be that so-and-so said that Greene was "far-right", attributing the opinion to a person or organization who stated that opinion.
Hey, genius. That's what those little numbers are for on Wikipedia articles. When you see a little number like this[2], you can click on it to see what source that part of the article is referenced to. That saves us from having to write every sentence like, "According to the journalist John Smith from the New York Times on January 9, 2021, Trump is a moron." This is called a footnote. They usually don't have them in comic books, so you might have not seen it before.
Ease off on the sarcasm, please. No Ledge is an experienced Wikipedia editor. He's also a member in good standing here, and we frown on spewing abuse at members here. Yes, this is a warning from me. Yes, I have moderator permissions.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:51 am
by No Ledge
Why don't we say in the lead that Greene is authoritarian and ultra-nationalist, and has nativist ideologies and tendencies? That is how Wikipedia defines far right. That would make things more clear than using a term that could also be attributed to cucumber purchasers.
Does "nativist" mean that they are strong supporters of American Indian rights, i.e. native Americans?
Does "nativist" mean that they are strong supporters of American Indian rights, i.e. native Americans?
Yes, all far-right politicians are big supporters of Native American rights. There is video of MTG doing a rain dance with the Cthulu tribe of Georgia.
Does "nativist" mean that they are strong supporters of American Indian rights, i.e. native Americans?
Yes, all far-right politicians are big supporters of Native American rights. There is video of MTG doing a rain dance with the Cthulu tribe of Georgia.
Sorry for perpetuating this sidebar but I just wanted to note that there are three formally state-recognized American Indian tribes of Georgia but apparently none of them are federally recognized. Only about half a percent of Georgians are natives (a figure that's actually higher than recent previous decades). The people shouting "you will not replace us" know damn well who their ancestors replaced by exercising their rights to bear arms, and since they generally have an eye-for-an-eye mindset that's why they're so afraid.
Still it makes me uncomfortable when editors feel the need to cite eight sources to support a "fact". That strikes me as some dystopian form of original research signaling that maybe, just maybe, that "fact" is really just an opinion. This is the sort of stuff that feeds Larry Sanger's charges that Wikipedia has a left-wing bias which is counterproductive.
Sorry for perpetuating this sidebar but I just wanted to note that there are three formally state-recognized American Indian tribes of Georgia but apparently none of them are federally recognized. Only about half a percent of Georgians are natives (a figure that's actually higher than recent previous decades).
You're confusing "indigenous" with "native". Even though they're called Native Americans, technically they are the only indigenous population of the US, as they are the earliest known human inhabitants of this region. "Native" just means you were born here, as opposed to immigrating here from another country. So, MTG is a nativist in the sense that she wants policies that favor natural-born citizens, discourages immigration, and minimizes rights for immigrants. Hopefully we can agree that that is clearly a right-wing policy.
Still it makes me uncomfortable when editors feel the need to cite eight sources to support a "fact". That strikes me as some dystopian form of original research signaling that maybe, just maybe, that "fact" is really just an opinion. This is the sort of stuff that feeds Larry Sanger's charges that Wikipedia has a left-wing bias which is counterproductive.
Original research signaling? Is that the next iteration of virtue signaling? Besides, isn't original research typically accompanied by a distinct lack of sources (since by definition it wouldn't be original research if there were sources available to back it up)? Perhaps they felt the need to cite 8 sources because of people like you who try to argue that MTG is not a far-right politician despite the overwhelming evidence and consensus.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:17 am
by Zoloft
No Ledge has made their point. You have made your point.
I’d deeply appreciate it if this off-topic scuffle ended.
I'm sorry, I thought this was a place where people come to troll WP editors. I didn't realize it was [CENSORED].
WPO's main page wrote:Our Mission:
We exist to shine the light of scrutiny into the dark crevices of Wikipedia and its related projects; to examine the corruption there, along with its structural flaws; and to inoculate the unsuspecting public against the torrent of misinformation, defamation, and general nonsense that issues forth from one of the world’s most frequently visited websites, the “encyclopedia that anyone can edit.”
Daisy is an unincorporated community in Perry County, Kentucky, United States. The population is 1758 as of the 2000 United States Census, with a population density of 32 per square mile. The area is known historically for its coal mining.
Daisy was the birthplace and hometown of notable American Appalachian musician Roscoe Holcomb and 2018 National Student Teacher of the Year, Parth Shah.[2]
Roscoe Holcomb is an interesting character from Daisy.
Parth Shah was named student teacher of the year by Kappa Delta Pi when he was a grad student at Berkeley, but there's no indication anywhere that he's from Daisy, Kentucky, and certainly not in the reference used. His name was added almost three years ago by a couple of IPs from Berkeley.
A guy on reddit said his principal's son uploaded a photoshopped image of himself
and stuck it in the bio of electric toaster and electric kettle inventor AlanMacMasters. That would have been Gustave.iii(T-C-L) who created the bio in 2013 and is still an active user on various projects.
I'm pretty sure the whole MacMasters bio is a hoax. There's no mention of him anywhere else before 2013.
I'm pretty sure the whole MacMasters bio is a hoax. There's no mention of him anywhere else before 2013.
Oh, hell yeah. That "photo" isn't even a good fake — how did someone get that past them in 2013? I could see it maybe happening in 2003, maybe as late as 2007, but by 2013 they seemed to have developed at least a minimal degree of competence at that sort of thing.
As for the text, I mean... this is ridiculous:
Legend has it that after a half-bottle of whisky, MacMasters admitted to Crompton his sly attempt at cost cutting by sourcing a cheaper metal for his filaments. The attempt was a complete failure, as the supplier had put a large amount of nickel in the wire. The resultant lamp ran so hot that his nearby bread began to brown. MacMasters joked that he ought to put one in his kitchen.
I don't think there's any question here — everything in that article is totally false.
Peter James wrote:The name was added to the toaster article on 6 February 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?di ... le=Toaster); the Mirror article was published on 1 September 2012. The summary says "revert vandalism" but the text that was there before https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =387111783 ("It is unknown who invented the first electric bread toaster") was not restored, instead new text was added mentioning AlanMacMasters, and no source was cited.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:48 am
by Zoloft
You know, my modest fortune was inherited from the McMasters family. Not from gadgets like a personal toaster - pish tosh - but from the giant electric kettles that lined the Southampton docks. McMasters and his heirs received a farthing for each bag of steam generated by these clattering, clanking monsters of industry.
"Glermph, hiss, punk-punk bwah" is the noise they made through the night. Some say this is where the phrase 'steampunk' came from. Sadly, the massive kettles were broken up in 1914 to make cannon.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:24 pm
by tarantino
Back in 2010, Mac.Mafia's only edit was to add "The first electric bread toaster was created by Maddy Kennedy in 1872." That lasted for a year and a half until it was changed to AlanMacMasters. There's still several websites that mention the "fact" that Maddy Kennedy was the inventor.
Gustave.iii also created the article Ogura toast(T-H-L), where he noted, "at the 2017 London Japan Matsuri, Nagoya was jokingly awarded the "AlanMacMasters Prize" for toast innovation. " and edited the R. E. B. Crompton(T-H-L).
Gustave.iii wrote:[[File:Crompton_Eclipse.gif|thumb|150px|The Eclipse toaster invented by AlanMacMasters and marketed by Crompton.]]Crompton was keen for electricity to be used for domestic as well as industrial purposes. In 1893, Scotsman [[AlanMacMasters]] approached Crompton with the prototype for a device that heated bread by running electricity through a metal element.
I think I saw them perform a gig once, in the back room of a pub in Brentford. Something like the Buzzcocks, but with added speech impediments and less sense of irony. The lead singer went on to achieve solo success as a local government embezzler...
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:03 pm
by Hemiauchenia
I've gone ahead and removed all the remaining references on Wikipedia to Mr. Macmasters (there were 9). This is easily one of the most embarassing hoaxes Wikipedia has seen in a long time given its visibility. For me. It's right up there with "Brazilian aardvark". Daily Mirror journalist Steve Myall also deserves to be embarrassed for taking a single uncited sentence in a Wikipedia article and taking it as fact, which arguably substantially extended the life of the hoax.
I've gone ahead and removed all the remaining references on Wikipedia to Mr. Macmasters (there were 9). This is easily one of the most embarassing hoaxes Wikipedia has seen in a long time given its visibility. For me. It's right up there with "Brazilian aardvark". Daily Mirror journalist Steve Myall also deserves to be embarrassed for taking a single uncited sentence in a Wikipedia article and taking it as fact, which arguably substantially extended the life of the hoax.
Daily Mirror journalist Steve Myall also deserves to be embarrassed.
I fixed that for you.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:47 pm
by rhindle
I googled Who invented the toaster and Wikipedia has made a mess of things. Here's a link to someone who probably didn't use Wikipedia to research the history of the toaster.
I googled Who invented the toaster and Wikipedia has made a mess of things. Here's a link to someone who probably didn't use Wikipedia to research the history of the toaster.
Not bad, but note that he writes (inaccurately) about putting bread inside a pyramid toaster.
The amount of bullshit wiki has added to public belief about invention beggars description. Blame Wiki Ed.
Three years; made its way off-Wiki, although not into any reputable print I could find.
PS: The IP’s other contributions link, to this article and elsewhere, could use a light scrubbing, too.
But it is a featured article. How can the "accuracy, neutrality and completeness" of even these be suspect?
Personally I think that the attempts by some of those posting here and our readers like yngvadottir to fix stuff here is unlike painting the Forth Bridge. The painting crew there has become unnecessary because of technological improvement. The removing the crap from Wikipedia crew will only become redundant when people realise that it is always going to be as full of crap as a sewage farm.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:37 pm
by Hemiauchenia
Back in April, an IP user added in the opening sentence of Weevil(T-H-L) that they are "also referred to as nunus or noonoos" Revision: link while the noonoos was almost immediately removed, the nunus remained until today when I removed it. Over the course of that time, 127,00 people read the article
Back in April, an IP user added in the opening sentence of Weevil(T-H-L) that they are "also referred to as nunus or noonoos" Revision: link while the noonoos was almost immediately removed, the nunus remained until today when I removed it. Over the course of that time, 127,00 people read the article
's South African English. Wiktionary claims it means "weevil (or similar insect)", but seems to be more of a general "insect/arthropod" thing going by online South African dictionaries. Bit like if someone added "also referred to as creepy-crawly" to the spider article: not quite vandalism, but certainly not worth keeping there, either.
Back in April, an IP user added in the opening sentence of Weevil(T-H-L) that they are "also referred to as nunus or noonoos" Revision: link while the noonoos was almost immediately removed, the nunus remained until today when I removed it. Over the course of that time, 127,00 people read the article
's South African English. Wiktionary claims it means "weevil (or similar insect)", but seems to be more of a general "insect/arthropod" thing going by online South African dictionaries. Bit like if someone added "also referred to as creepy-crawly" to the spider article: not quite vandalism, but certainly not worth keeping there, either.
I mean, Armadillidiidae(T-H-L) does mention in the lede that it is also referred to as a roly poly (also "cheeselog").
Back in April, an IP user added in the opening sentence of Weevil(T-H-L) that they are "also referred to as nunus or noonoos" Revision: link while the noonoos was almost immediately removed, the nunus remained until today when I removed it. Over the course of that time, 127,00 people read the article
's South African English. Wiktionary claims it means "weevil (or similar insect)", but seems to be more of a general "insect/arthropod" thing going by online South African dictionaries. Bit like if someone added "also referred to as creepy-crawly" to the spider article: not quite vandalism, but certainly not worth keeping there, either.
I mean, Armadillidiidae(T-H-L) does mention in the lede that it is also referred to as a roly poly (also "cheeselog").
Also
Yeah, but that's a vernacular name (mostly) specific to the Armadillidiidae, not a generic "everything that's small and has has many legs and skitters about" term, so less out of place. As for cheeselog, that does appear to be correct from a quick browse (even if I hadn't heard that particular vernacular name before), but the ref certainly should be replaced, as it doesn't contain any of the vernacular names in the sentence it's attached to--just the ones from the sentence prior to that.
2 FIRE BREATHER With pepperoni, smokey leg ham, seasoned ground beef, fiery jalapenos, tomato & sliced red onion with a spicy hit of chilli flakes From Domino's Pizza
1 blueberry pie
1 apple pie
2Australian Blue Ribbons 3 in 1 Triple Chocolate ice cream
So you were able to vandalize, right? Here's what will happen next:
Your vandalism will be reverted. It will usually happen within minutes, if not seconds. A lot of obvious vandalism is reverted automatically (and usually immediately) by an automated computer program.
Right. Thirteen days and counting.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:47 pm
by The Blue Newt
James Wolfe(T-H-L), where we can learn that this prominent soldier was also a pawnbroker.link
PS: it also includes a recent example of diCkLicaTion with an obvious quotation being “corrected.”
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:06 pm
by Beeblebrox
I just ran into some in the wild at Nene (bird)(T-H-L), inserting the word "whip" in a pop cultural reference I actually understood.
PS: checking further, it is sourced. It is also however, untrue; Chilloway died of smallpox at Fort Pitt.
It's almost like a book from 1892 isn't a reliable source for Native American history...
Well, no doubt that played into it, but note this was a sympathetic telling. It’s more about the unreliability of second, third, and fourth hand oral sources; the book is written 110 years after the fact, based on local lore.
It’s also about the difference between folklore and scholarship. Chilloway was a kind of folk-hero, and as with villains, their stories often become conflated.
Re: Undetected vandalism
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:05 pm
by Alalch Emis
Someone vandalized (diff) my favorite disambig: Delete(T-H-L)!
Someone vandalized (diff) my favorite disambig: Delete(T-H-L)!
The navel-gazing stuff on Wikipedia deletion processes should probably go. Though it's rather tempting to add 'fun' before 'activity' in the first line of that section.
There's a vandalism on a restaurant page likely done by a fan boy of a Twitter sports/politics "troll" that's been up for 24 hours, about 10 days after an earlier vandalism. I'll let the lurkers try to figure it out.
There's a vandalism on a restaurant page likely done by a fan boy of a Twitter sports/politics "troll" that's been up for 24 hours, about 10 days after an earlier vandalism. I'll let the lurkers try to figure it out.
48 hours now and still there. Will check back in a week to see if removed by then.
