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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:19 pm

“Biden took down Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head.”

First, the Mr. Potato Head toy dropped the honorific from its name. Then, news broke that Dr. Seuss Enterprises would pull six of the famed children’s author’s books from publication. According to some claims on social media, there was only one person to blame: The new president of the United States. "Trump took down ISIS," read a viral post on Facebook. "Biden took down Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head."
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I hope this isn't getting too off-topic, but if Larry Sanger isn't behind this claim, I expect that he soon will be. :D
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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:41 pm

Interesting tweet.
Larry Sanger wrote:If you allow a child to determine whether he or she "transitions" without parental consent, it is a very, very small step to allowing the child to determine whether he or she will have sexual relations with adults.

What's the moral difference?
Does Larry Sanger believe that children can have sex with adults if they have parental permission? Why does Larry Sanger spend so much time thinking about adults having sex with children? It's like he's going out of his way to turn every issue into some pedophile plot.

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Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:41 pm
Interesting tweet.
Larry Sanger wrote:If you allow a child to determine whether he or she "transitions" without parental consent, it is a very, very small step to allowing the child to determine whether he or she will have sexual relations with adults.

What's the moral difference?
Does Larry Sanger believe that children can have sex with adults if they have parental permission? Why does Larry Sanger spend so much time thinking about adults having sex with children? It's like he's going out of his way to turn every issue into some pedophile plot.
How many of the QAnon dingbats who espouse 'save the children' at every opportunity will turn out to have undiscovered criminal legal liabilities in these waters?
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Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:57 pm
How many of the QAnon dingbats who espouse 'save the children' at every opportunity will turn out to have undiscovered criminal legal liabilities in these waters?
Don't know for sure, but I'd bet good money on at least one of the insurrectionist dingbats the FBI have been rounding up having child pornography charges added to their list. The intersection between far-right conspiracy-peddling, psychological projection, antisocial behaviour reflecting from a desire to dominate, and a generally fucked-up psyche is too strong to be coincidental.

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Unread post by Beeblebrox » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:27 pm

If you have to ask what the moral difference is between self-determination and child rape, you are truly lost. :facepalm:

But this is what they always say, that if we allow people one kind of self-determination, that it will lead to every imaginable thing being acceptable, people raping children and animals will be legal, all moral concerns about consent will go out the window. It says more about the people making such arguments, like they would be doing these things if only it were allowed.
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If you have to ask what the moral difference is between self-determination and child rape, you are truly lost. :facepalm:

But this is what they always say, that if we allow people one kind of self-determination, that it will lead to every imaginable thing being acceptable, people raping children and animals will be legal, all moral concerns about consent will go out the window. It says more about the people making such arguments, like they would be doing these things if only it were allowed.
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Unread post by tarantino » Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:38 am

Here's an opinion piece from Michael Barnard last year we overlooked.

No, Wikipedia isn’t biased, except toward reality

I don't agree with his premise about wp.
Wikipedia is a trusted, neutral resource for basic facts, with over 6 billion articles, and a quarter of a trillion page views in the last 12 months alone. Long gone are the days when it was considered a weak resource. And Wikipedia itself makes it clear that its written articles are not to be considered definitive, but strongly recommends going to the cited references. Studies have found that the more times an article is edited, the more factual and less biased it becomes, and that when comparing Encyclopedia Brittanica’s articles to the equivalent length introductions to Wikipedia, they are equally unbiased.
His characterization of Sanger is spot-on, though.
Recently, right-wing media has been frothily pushing a story from a self-described co-founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger.



But here’s the thing. Sanger is a disaffected crank on the subject of Wikipedia. And he’s a far-right loon: Trump lover, global warming denier, anti-vaxxer, quack medicine, fundie Christian, anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion.

Jimmy Wales disputes his co-founder status, something Sanger keeps trying to leverage for personal gain. Sanger was an employee. Sanger has tried to build a bunch of replacements to Wikipedia and failed every time. Sanger has been bitterly criticizing Wikipedia since at least 2004. He is the online information equivalent of Patrick Moore, who uses his false claim of being a co-founder of Greenpeace to get money to spout climate change denial.

Sanger’s blog post makes it clear that he’s fallen into #QAnon territory. He actually thinks #Obamagate is a thing as opposed to conspiracy ideation from Trump. He thinks Hillary’s emails should be listed on Obama’s Wikipedia page. He thinks the failure of a solar company should be listed on Obama’s Wikipedia page.

Sanger is upset that Trump’s impeachment gets a lot of coverage and that the Wikipedia pieces devotes a bunch of time to Trump’s pathological lying, a defining characteristic of the man and his Presidency.

He gets his panties in a twist that the article on abortion doesn’t castigate it and that the LGBTQ adoption article doesn’t list all of the reasons why homophobes think it’s a bad idea. He really hates the accurate, not dogmatic view of the life of Jesus, and the historically described process of the creation and editing of the stories of the life of Jesus.

Apparently Sanger is a climate change denier and anti-vaxxer as well, something that goes with the territory for right-wing cranks these days. He complains that articles on global warming and MMR don’t reference climate change deniers or anti-vaxx arguments. This after protesting bitterly in the opening that Wikipedia had endorsed the ‘utterly corrupt canard of journalistic false balance’. Yes, Sanger tries to butter both sides of that piece of toast. Typically, he’s also upset that alternative medicine — homeopathy, naturopathy and the like — are described as pseudoscience. Sanger is a crank on all subjects.

A commenter on Quora described themselves as a co-alumni of Sanger’s alma mater, private Reed College in Oregon. They report that the alumni message boards saw Sanger’s vileness on full display, and that everything I’ve said above is accurate.

It’s a wonder anyone would hire this guy for anything. He’s so divorced from reality as to be a danger to himself and those around him.

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Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:36 am

Please note that Patrick Moore is not the late great Sir Patrick Moore (T-H-L), who would no doubt turn over in his grave at being confused with a climate denier.
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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:10 pm

Larry Sanger does not understand class action lawsuits. A while ago, he posted this tweet:
Hi @binance
, @cz_binance
, @BinanceUS
, and @cryptocoley

I'm Wikipedia co-founder & former CIO of Everipedia. You're holding my 447.78 NANO. If you simply pay me that amount, I will not join the class action suit against you:

https://reddit.com/r/BinanceUSclassaction/

Your choice.
I was going to post about it here because committing extortion via Twitter seemed like it was noteworthy. but then I saw that there was no "class action suit" for Sanger to join, just a Reddit group.

Today I watched a video (below) of Sanger discussing Wikipedia with Tim Pool (T-H-L). After the first 2 minutes it is mostly Pool complaining, but Sanger is before that. Sanger again brings up class action lawsuits, this time as if they will help get around the defenses of Section 230 and allow people to sue the WMF. It seems unlikely to me, but if any lawyers here want to weigh in, go ahead.
Sanger wrote:Here's... here's another part of an argument perhaps and this... this is moral perhaps legal argument that this wasn't the case back in 2001 but it is now. Wikipedia has a reputation. It's a very important reputation because if something appears on wikipedia a lot of people just assume that it's factual, right? Um... and well what are people supposed to do when uh lies -- really damaging lies -- occur in that sort of situation? Well they could try suing the wikimedia foundation but the wikimedia foundation is going to cite section 230. They can try to sue the... uh... the user, but how are they going to find out who the user is if the user is anonymous?

So they could sue. There could be a class action lawsuit against the wikimedia foundation to the following um... by all these people who are harmed by the wiki... wikipedia system which basically allows all of these anonymous people to... um... to say damaging things that have no recourse. That's itself a damaging situation for all of those people. It's a... it's a perfect class action lawsuit because it's a whole class that is affected by the um by the situation

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Unread post by Randy from Boise » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:23 pm

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Larry Sanger does not understand class action lawsuits.
There is a great deal that that wacky dingus does not understand.

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Unread post by Midsize Jake » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:33 pm

What Dr. Sanger is saying is obviously incoherent and he's in way over his head, but at about the 6:20 mark, Pool says "Project Veritas got past the motion to dismiss." I assume he's referring to the two lawsuits James O'Keefe has threatened to file, against CNN and (a day or so later) against Twitter. Pool is saying this pretty much on the day immediately following the threat, so presumably he's just pulling this claim directly out of his ass, but... does anyone know differently? :unsure:

To be fair, the CNN lawsuit might not involve Section 230 at all, and O'Keefe is probably hoping the one against Twitter won't either — he's going to try to claim defamation for their having essentially called him a sock-puppet operator (which he obviously is, so I don't see him succeeding against a truth defense even if he can get past the Section 230 stuff).

Meanwhile, it's getting increasingly obvious that the right-wing pundit class doesn't really care about Wikipedia as far as their "Big Tech" agenda is concerned. Trump doesn't care, so Trump's followers don't care, so they don't care. They do start talking about Wikipedia again at around the 9:25 mark, though — I guess they started to feel bad about ignoring Larry, though he doesn't get much more coherent.

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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:48 pm

Midsize Jake wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:33 pm
What Dr. Sanger is saying is obviously incoherent and he's in way over his head, but at about the 6:20 mark, Pool says "Project Veritas got past the motion to dismiss." I assume he's referring to the two lawsuits James O'Keefe has threatened to file, against CNN and (a day or so later) against Twitter. Pool is saying this pretty much on the day immediately following the threat, so presumably he's just pulling this claim directly out of his ass, but... does anyone know differently? :unsure:
Different lawsuit entirely. From the always reliable New York Post:
Last month, Project Veritas scored a significant victory in a defamation lawsuit against the Times when a state Supreme Court judge denied the paper’s motion to dismiss, allowing O’Keefe to proceed to discovery, which could open up the Times and its reporters to uncomfortable scrutiny.

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Unread post by Moral Hazard » Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:57 pm

Is Peter Theil funding another lawsuit?
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Unread post by Nemo » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:54 am

Midsize Jake wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:54 am
Nemo wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:19 am
Pardon me for not reading the whole thread - but I don't understand what disliking Picasso art has to do with QAnon.
Well, that's precisely why you have to read the entire thread, Mr. Nemo!

This thread didn't start out being about QAnon, in fact it was split from here — and not everyone agreed with my (somewhat unilateral) decision to put the term "QAnon" in the thread title. I did that because I assumed that when people saw Sanger's Twitter feed, they might enter "Larry Sanger QAnon" into Google to see if there was any non-Twitter-based information about why the heck a co-founder of Wikipedia was spouting off child-endangering, family-destroying conspiracist bullshit-fuckery. (And hey, we're now the #3 result!)

So, we basically have a tacit understanding among us that this thread is to be used for any of the more egregious examples of Sanger's recent descent into madness, Q-related or not, which might well include his idea that Pablo Picasso, one of the greatest artists of the 20th century, "sucks."

I'll admit that I've always preferred the surrealists myself, and maybe even the impressionists, to the cubists. But to use terms like that to describe Picasso is the sure sign of a philistine, not "failing to like" his work. And since all QAnon cultists are philistines by definition (since they like Trump, the ultimate philistine), one could at least make the argument that it's relevant, at least to some extent.
I was thinking about taking this thread on a turn towards art discussion, but I'd rather not derail it.

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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:25 pm

This isn't even funny anymore. Has Sanger suffered a severe head injury, because I imagine he had to have been smarter when he earned his PhD?

His latest foray into obvious nonsense that he takes as truth:
Biden’s climate plan would allegedly limit American per capital consumption of beef to 4 pounds per year, I.e., a bit over 5 oz. per month. This is what fascism looks like
EDIT: Apparently this nonsense originated in the Daily Mail last week and spread from there. Whatever happened to that poster that used to defend the Daily Mail? Quiet, even-tempered fellow? Crow-eater?

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This isn't even funny anymore. Has Sanger suffered a severe head injury, because I imagine he had to have been smarter when he earned his PhD?

His latest foray into obvious nonsense that he takes as truth:
Biden’s climate plan would allegedly limit American per capital consumption of beef to 4 pounds per year, I.e., a bit over 5 oz. per month. This is what fascism looks like
EDIT: Apparently this nonsense originated in the Daily Mail last week and spread from there. Whatever happened to that poster that used to defend the Daily Mail? Quiet, even-tempered fellow? Crow-eater?
Sanger is just another RW Herpes spreader.

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rhindle wrote:
Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:45 pm
Sanger is just another RW Herpes spreader.
Hey now! Some of my best friends have herpes!

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Unread post by Mason » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:31 am

Vanity Fair can mock imbeciles all it wants, but they are a very powerful voting and purchasing bloc. Who can forget the hurt they put on the woke, lefty, cancel-culture publishers of the Dr Seuss books by buying a ton of Dr Seuss books? A boycott of plant-based beer can’t be far behind.

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Unread post by Zoloft » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:37 am

Hey now, we're talking about Dr. Sanger here.

Stay on-topic with the QAnon Larryness.

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I think we're discussing the universe Larry lives in...

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I think we're discussing the universe Larry lives in...
There's another QAnon thread that can be used for that.
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The meat industry can thank its lucky stars that the MAGAsphere is dumb enough to believe this. Just ask the people who make ammo how much their sales jump every time some politician makes a false claim that "they're coming for our guns!"
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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Wed May 05, 2021 8:06 pm

Sanger re-tweeted a post from a prominent QAnon figure. Sanger didn't add his usual "I'm not saying this is true, but it's worth looking into" figleaf this time. It's not just crazy, it's extra crazy.

The Deep State Democrats had planned a riot to remove Trump from office after he won the election, but since he lost (because they stole it) they decided to hold the riot anyway but turn it into a fake insurrection. All controlled by Nancy Pelosi, of course. For some reason I don't fully grasp, they needed to have someone die, so they rounded up poor doe-eyed innocent Ashli Babbit and tricked her into getting herself shot. Everyone else at the scene was a stooge.

Now people who know about the plan (the FBI) are using it to blackmail Pelosi into doing what they want (because she controls Biden). Also something about a bracelet, which appears to be damning evidence that the shooter was controlled by Pelosi. Oh, did I mention that the shooter wasn't the guy they said it was? It was one of Pelosi's private security detail. Check the hairline, people!

You know this is all true, because this guy got it from three sources, who all confirmed the details of this super-secret conspiracy that no one knows about.

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Someone needs to make a fake-Larry satire account and post nothing but cake recipes in German.

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Someone needs to make a fake-Larry satire account and post nothing but cake recipes in German.
If anyone has a mind to do so, recommend Bild der Frau link for recipe ideas. Tempted to try the Cremige Kirschtorte mit Mohn.

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Ryuichi wrote:
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Someone needs to make a fake-Larry satire account and post nothing but cake recipes in German.
If anyone has a mind to do so, recommend Bild der Frau link for recipe ideas. Tempted to try the Cremige Kirschtorte mit Mohn.
Maybe just post the intro translations:
What would we be without asparagus? Every year we look forward to the delicious spring vegetables. And this year we have come up with something very special for you! A delicious asparagus curry soup combined with delicious meatballs. Made for relaxed spring evenings at home with loved ones. Try it!

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Unread post by Beeblebrox » Thu May 06, 2021 3:21 am

I think it's funny that people think the democrats could manage to run a vast conspiracy that not only accomplishes all of it's goals but where every single person involved keeps it a secret.
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I think it's funny that people think the democrats could manage to run a vast conspiracy that not only accomplishes all of it's goals but where every single person involved keeps it a secret.
Which is funnier - that it's been kept secret or that it's worked? :D
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I think it's funny that people think the democrats could manage to run a vast conspiracy that not only accomplishes all of it's goals but where every single person involved keeps it a secret.
That's because Hillary Clinton will have them murdered like Seth Rich. And George Soros pays them off! And they can't hide because Bill Gates tracks them with microchips that were inserted during the FAKE VACCINATION due to the Covid which is a totally fake Democrat scam but also a totally real bioweapon created by China to take over the world. Also, something about pizza parlors and Democrat pedophile rings. :tmi:

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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Thu May 06, 2021 7:13 pm

Apparently the District of Columbia will now allow weddings or other events to take place with limits of 250 guests or 25% capacity. And no dancing!! Larry Sanger said "Leave it to today's "liberals" to outlaw dancing. You can't make this stuff up" and then he posted a GIF showing mainly gay men dancing together and said "I'll bet they won't have any problem with this wedding dance".

That seems rather blatantly homophobic. Is Sanger a homophobe?

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That seems rather blatantly homophobic. Is Sanger a homophobe?
Doesn't that go hand in glove with being a right-wing conspiracy nut? I mean, I've not seen any direct evidence before this but I think it's a fairly safe assumption.
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Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Tue May 18, 2021 11:16 pm

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Larry Sanger does not understand class action lawsuits. A while ago, he posted this tweet:
Hi @binance
, @cz_binance
, @BinanceUS
, and @cryptocoley

I'm Wikipedia co-founder & former CIO of Everipedia. You're holding my 447.78 NANO. If you simply pay me that amount, I will not join the class action suit against you:

https://reddit.com/r/BinanceUSclassaction/

Your choice.
I was going to post about it here because committing extortion via Twitter seemed like it was noteworthy. but then I saw that there was no "class action suit" for Sanger to join, just a Reddit group.
Soooooo, it turns out that the problem is Larry Sanger is an idiot.
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Wed May 19, 2021 10:58 am

Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 11:16 pm
Soooooo, it turns out that the problem is Larry Sanger is an idiot.
Is this a new revelation? :dubious:
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:40 pm

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Larry is now allowing call girls to advertise on his forum.

https://archive.is/lvM6M
https://web.archive.org/web/20210701201 ... ts-agency/
Do they think that Jimbo reads Larry's forum? :dubious:
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:01 pm

Wikipedia has become a one-sided 'thought police' for liberals, cofounder warns

Larry Sanger, the co-founder of Wikipedia, is warning that the online encyclopedia has become too one-sided and overloaded with liberal sources in a way that harms democracy.

"In short, and with few exceptions, only globalist, progressive mainstream sources — and sources friendly to globalist progressivism — are permitted," Sanger wrote on his website in an article last week headlined "Wikipedia is more one-sided than ever."

"It is not too far to say that Wikipedia, like many other deeply biased institutions of our brave new digital world, has made itself into a kind of thought police that has de facto shackled conservative viewpoints with which they disagree," he added. "Democracy cannot thrive under such conditions: I maintain that Wikipedia has become an opponent of vigorous democracy."
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Many here will agree that Wikipedia has a house POV, even if we can scarcely agree with Larry's thesis that it is "an opponent of vigorous democracy." Here is his original article.
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:15 am

Larry Sanger apparently has no ability to predict the obvious results of his own actions. In this case, he posted on Twitter about the death of Indian actor Sushant Singh Rajput. Rajput's fans don't like that Wikipedia says he died of "suicide by hanging" and think his death is some big cover-up.

There was a bit of discussion here before. This was stirred up in part by Op India. Sanger picked up a bunch of followers when he started doing interviews with Op India about Wikipedia's suppression of right wing viewpoints.

A few hours later:
@lsanger wrote:I'm muting all future notifications about this.

I retweeted the thread. I also explained why I refuse to do more. I cannot chase down every supposed miscarriage of justice Wikipedia is involved in.

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:26 am

Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:15 am
Larry Sanger apparently has no ability to predict the obvious results of his own actions. In this case, he posted on Twitter about the death of Indian actor Sushant Singh Rajput. Rajput's fans don't like that Wikipedia says he died of "suicide by hanging" and think his death is some big cover-up.

There was a bit of discussion here before. This was stirred up in part by Op India. Sanger picked up a bunch of followers when he started doing interviews with Op India about Wikipedia's suppression of right wing viewpoints.

A few hours later:
@lsanger wrote:I'm muting all future notifications about this.

I retweeted the thread. I also explained why I refuse to do more. I cannot chase down every supposed miscarriage of justice Wikipedia is involved in.
Change Sushant Singh Rajput's cause of death from suicide on Wikipedia, urges sister Priyanka

Sushant Singh Rajput's sister Priyanka Singh has urged Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales and co-founder Larry Sanger to change the cause of the actor’s death on the site, which currently states suicide. Sushant died on June 14, 2020.
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I don't think she realises that Larry has zero influence on Wikipedia these days. he hasn't even edited for over two years.
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:18 pm

I think Larry Sanger now understands how foolish he was to wade into this.
@lsanger wrote:To SSR fans:

- I left WIkipedia in 2003.
- I’m now a critic.
- I have no influence there.
- If you want to tag ppl who can really help, find the Twitter handles of SSR article editors. Tag them, not me.

>>Anyone who tags me about SSR will now be instablocked.<<
Hmm. "find the Twitter handles of SSR article editors. Tag them, not me". That should go over well.

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:26 am

Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:18 pm
I think Larry Sanger now understands how foolish he was to wade into this.
@lsanger wrote:To SSR fans:

- I left WIkipedia in 2003.
- I’m now a critic.
- I have no influence there.
- If you want to tag ppl who can really help, find the Twitter handles of SSR article editors. Tag them, not me.

>>Anyone who tags me about SSR will now be instablocked.<<
Hmm. "find the Twitter handles of SSR article editors. Tag them, not me". That should go over well.
SSR - "Survive, Smile, Represent. A positive attitude towards others"? That certainly doesn't seem to describe Larry lately. Or "Super Supreme Rare"?
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by The Garbage Scow » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:14 pm

I hope he has fun with those freakishly obsessive Rajput editors.

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by GorillaWarfare » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:49 am

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Interesting tweet.
Larry Sanger wrote:If you allow a child to determine whether he or she "transitions" without parental consent, it is a very, very small step to allowing the child to determine whether he or she will have sexual relations with adults.

What's the moral difference?
Does Larry Sanger believe that children can have sex with adults if they have parental permission? Why does Larry Sanger spend so much time thinking about adults having sex with children? It's like he's going out of his way to turn every issue into some pedophile plot.
He's back on this, now with condom distribution in schools: He's referring to a policy to distribute menstrual products and condoms in schools serving fifth graders and older.

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:36 am

He homeschooled his two sons.

I cannot imagine what they must have done in a previous life to deserve that.
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Without Comfort » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:46 am

Sanger's homeschooling emphasized early reading. I think he started a business to promote this. Usually child development discussion of that topic, and other intensive early skill teaching, such as teaching toddlers to ski, claims there are other developmental tasks that should not be de-emphasized for something an adult might term more advanced. Maybe Sanger threaded that needle, but what about his clients?

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:49 pm

Without Comfort wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:46 am
Sanger's homeschooling emphasized early reading. I think he started a business to promote this. Usually child development discussion of that topic, and other intensive early skill teaching, such as teaching toddlers to ski, claims there are other developmental tasks that should not be de-emphasized for something an adult might term more advanced. Maybe Sanger threaded that needle, but what about his clients?
I know we're not supposed to approve of anything Sanger says or does these days, but there's a lot to be said for early reading and counting. I hope he managed to get his clients to be sensible.
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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Without Comfort » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:22 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:49 pm
Without Comfort wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:46 am
Sanger's homeschooling emphasized early reading. I think he started a business to promote this. Usually child development discussion of that topic, and other intensive early skill teaching, such as teaching toddlers to ski, claims there are other developmental tasks that should not be de-emphasized for something an adult might term more advanced. Maybe Sanger threaded that needle, but what about his clients?
I know we're not supposed to approve of anything Sanger says or does these days, but there's a lot to be said for early reading and counting. I hope he managed to get his clients to be sensible.
Though this is off-topic, define "early."

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Midsize Jake » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:13 pm

Without Comfort wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:22 pm
Poetlister wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:49 pm
I know we're not supposed to approve of anything Sanger says or does these days, but there's a lot to be said for early reading and counting. I hope he managed to get his clients to be sensible.
Though this is off-topic, define "early."
I don't know about anybody else, but I just assumed it meant his kids had to wake up at 5:00 AM and get through at least 20 pages of Ayn Rand before they were allowed to have breakfast.

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Re: Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's QAnon Cultist Co-Founder

Unread post by Poetlister » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:05 pm

Without Comfort wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:22 pm
Though this is off-topic, define "early."
Before they start regular school.
Midsize Jake wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:13 pm
I don't know about anybody else, but I just assumed it meant his kids had to wake up at 5:00 AM and get through at least 20 pages of Ayn Rand before they were allowed to have breakfast.
Isn't it Jimbo who likes Ayn Rand?
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