Russia vs Wikipedia

Unread post by **tarantino** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:17 am

Mancunium wrote:I have tried to determine the exact anti-Putin song in question,

Putin is a dickhead. See also the inevitable Articles for deletion/Putin khuilo!.

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:23 am

tarantino wrote:
Mancunium wrote:I have tried to determine the exact anti-Putin song in question,
Putin is a dickhead. See also the inevitable Articles for deletion/Putin khuilo!.

Hi, Russ!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jack_User

Mancunium · Unread post by **Mancunium** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:35 pm

tarantino wrote:
Mancunium wrote:I have tried to determine the exact anti-Putin song in question,
Putin is a dickhead. See also the inevitable Articles for deletion/Putin khuilo!.

Thank you! This is the most popular version of Путин - хуйло! on YouTube:
Here is a merry Ukrainian throng joined in song:
Metal remix:
There are scores more on YouTube.

Yes, it is notable; and yes, it still has an article, with lyrics, in Russian Wikipedia.

Путін — хуйло!: link

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:05 pm

tarantino wrote:
Mancunium wrote:I have tried to determine the exact anti-Putin song in question,
Putin is a dickhead. See also the inevitable Articles for deletion/Putin khuilo!.

Looks like a snow keep.

lilburne · Unread post by **lilburne** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:07 pm

Stierlitz · Unread post by **Stierlitz** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:12 pm

lilburne wrote:link

Few people know that he's got a tin to put poo in. That's why they call him Putin.

What is this, Catholic grade school?

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:22 pm

Stierlitz wrote:What is this, Catholic grade school?

No, it's worse. It's Wikipedia. 4chan with "ENCYCLOPEDIA" stamped all over it.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:53 am

...and the French call him a Canadian dish.

Mancunium · Unread post by **Mancunium** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:46 pm

There are threads on this sites about about Russia's attempts to control discussion of the Wikipedia articles about illegal drugs and suicide, Crimea and eastern Ukraine, and Malaysian flight MH17. This seems to be a new topic.

Ukraine Today: Wikipedia faces Russia ban; Kremlin media paranoia soars to new levels (VIDEO)
Kyiv Post, 28 September 2014 [link]http://www.kyivpost.com/multimedia/vide ... 66220.html[/link]

Kremlin paranoia about how the world perceives Russia's choreographed invasion and annexation of Ukrainian territory shows no sign of abating. Russian politicians discuss a ban on popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia, for what they allege are serious factual errors on its Crimea page.

Posted 28 September 2014 by Ukraine Today:
"Kremlin's Separatism Clampdown: Russia places Kuban federalisation activists on terrorism blacklist
Three supporters of federalisation for Russia’s southern region of Kuban have been put on the list of ‘extremists and terrorists’ a month after they attempted to organise a march for more autonomy for Kuban. Two of the activists have applied for political asylum in Ukraine."

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:47 pm

Don't they know about WP:SOFIXIT? If there are errors, let them correct them with reliable sources. Obviously, they must respect WP:COI. :irony:

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:59 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... pedia.html

Hersch · Unread post by **Hersch** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:14 pm

I expect that there will be some teeth-gnashing from the "west" over this, just as there was when China didn't deem it important to have major press coverage of Putin offering his coat to the Chinese president's wife. The "western" media can't understand why these countries don't embrace Web 2.0 and TMZ. Meanwhile, they don't understand why we don't build infrastructure and provide decent universal public education. Or why we constantly try to overthrow the governments of other nations.

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:38 pm

Hersch wrote:I expect that there will be some teeth-gnashing from the "west" over this, just as there was when China didn't deem it important to have major press coverage of Putin offering his coat to the Chinese president's wife. The "western" media can't understand why these countries don't embrace Web 2.0 and TMZ. Meanwhile, they don't understand why we don't build infrastructure and provide decent universal public education. Or why we constantly try to overthrow the governments of other nations.

I'm used to the usual crazy, but are you seriously saying that Russia (Ukraine..heck , the entire fucking union) and China (Tibet, Thailand) don't understand why one country might overthrow the government in another? Seriously?

sparkzilla · Unread post by **sparkzilla** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:40 pm

Obligatory: In Russia, Wikipedia edits you!

greybeard · Unread post by **greybeard** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:07 pm

sparkzilla wrote:Obligatory: In Russia, Wikipedia edits you!

To the larger question, Russia seems to be saying "Screw you, World!", so the Wikipedia piece of it is rather minor, and unlikely to attract much attention. I mean really, invading Crimea, sending troops into the Ukraine, sending warships to Australia, kicking CNN out of Russia, and so on. What is truly alarming is the utter lack of shame involved, and the rampant nationalism that backstops all of this. I sometimes feel like I'm witnessing the rise of Nazi Germany again. Urk, sorry for the Godwin.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:08 pm

greybeard wrote:
sparkzilla wrote:Obligatory: In Russia, Wikipedia edits you!

To the larger question, Russia seems to be saying "Screw you, World!", so the Wikipedia piece of it is rather minor, and unlikely to attract much attention. I mean really, invading Crimea, sending troops into the Ukraine, sending warships to Australia, kicking CNN out of Russia, and so on. What is truly alarming is the utter lack of shame involved, and the rampant nationalism that backstops all of this. I sometimes feel like I'm witnessing the rise of Nazi Germany again. Urk, sorry for the Godwin.

And we're not done yet.

I foresee many a good board game coming out of the next 10 years.

greybeard · Unread post by **greybeard** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:58 pm

Vigilant wrote:I foresee many a good board game coming out of the next 10 years.

You mean, so we have something to do in our bomb shelters and caves?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:00 pm

greybeard wrote:
Vigilant wrote:I foresee many a good board game coming out of the next 10 years.
You mean, so we have something to do in our bomb shelters and caves?

http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/

For the more discerning survivor...
http://www.silohome.com/

greybeard · Unread post by **greybeard** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:34 pm

Vigilant wrote:For the more discerning survivor...
http://www.silohome.com/

LOL. "Priced to sell."

Hersch · Unread post by **Hersch** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:48 pm

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:54 am

greybeard wrote:To the larger question, Russia seems to be saying "Screw you, World!", so the Wikipedia piece of it is rather minor, and unlikely to attract much attention. I mean really, invading Crimea, sending troops into the Ukraine, sending warships to Australia, kicking CNN out of Russia, and so on. What is truly alarming is the utter lack of shame involved, and the rampant nationalism that backstops all of this.

To which I say: meh. Go and read a decent, non-biased history of Russia (if you can find one). You'll learn that Russian politics have always been like this, going back to the beginning of written records, and probably centuries before that. Because that part of Eurasia has been repeatedly been invaded and trashed by successive would-be conquerors, the Rus' learned early to love and support "strong leaders". All the way through all the tsars, the Soviet Union, and now Putin, they really wanted someone to at least go thru the motions of being a tough dictator, and keep their motherland "secure". Mostly against Muslims, of course (Ottomans, Caucasians and various Turkic-speaking groups from central Asia) and of course, Jews. If anything, the Yeltsin years were a fluke.

Absolutely do not look at History of Russia (T-H-L). The Piotrus/Russavia/Irpen/etc. nut squad has been hacking it up. It was a featured article in 2005, but as usual for Wikipedia featured articles, it has declined badly. And I keep hearing that ru-WP is a complete madhouse right now. No wonder the Russian state museum thinks they can do better. They probably can.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:51 am

Soon, Russian social media would be able to compete with American social media. Mail.ru (T-H-L) is one of the largest non-American and non-Chinese Internet companies in the world (it even owns quite some Facebook shares, as well as a few popular MMOs they created, such as Allods Online (T-H-L)).

Not just that, but mail.ru may have plans to start up their own wiki-based encyclopedia to compete with the Russian Wikipedia.

Cold War 2.0 will be fought in cyberspace.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:10 am

Johnny Au wrote:Soon, Russian social media would be able to compete with American social media. Mail.ru (T-H-L) is one of the largest non-American and non-Chinese Internet companies in the world (it even owns quite some Facebook shares, as well as a few popular MMOs they created, such as Allods Online (T-H-L)).

Not just that, but mail.ru may have plans to start up their own wiki-based encyclopedia to compete with the Russian Wikipedia.

Cold War 2.0 will be fought in cyberspace.

Should I unblock their blog and forum scraper-bot then?

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:20 am

Zoloft wrote:
Johnny Au wrote:Soon, Russian social media would be able to compete with American social media. Mail.ru (T-H-L) is one of the largest non-American and non-Chinese Internet companies in the world (it even owns quite some Facebook shares, as well as a few popular MMOs they created, such as Allods Online (T-H-L)).

Not just that, but mail.ru may have plans to start up their own wiki-based encyclopedia to compete with the Russian Wikipedia.

Cold War 2.0 will be fought in cyberspace.
Should I unblock their blog and forum scraper-bot then?

Let's put that up to a vote, or should we use consensus?

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:23 am

Johnny Au wrote:
Zoloft wrote:
Johnny Au wrote:Soon, Russian social media would be able to compete with American social media. Mail.ru (T-H-L) is one of the largest non-American and non-Chinese Internet companies in the world (it even owns quite some Facebook shares, as well as a few popular MMOs they created, such as Allods Online (T-H-L)).

Not just that, but mail.ru may have plans to start up their own wiki-based encyclopedia to compete with the Russian Wikipedia.

Cold War 2.0 will be fought in cyberspace.
Should I unblock their blog and forum scraper-bot then?
Let's put that up to a vote, or should we use consensus?

Wikipediocracy is an oligarchy under the rule of a self-chosen few known as the Trustees, Administrators, and Global Moderators.
We don't really use the mechanisms of 'votes' or 'consensus.'

I just wanted your opinion.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:43 pm

I am neutral.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:25 pm

"The Federal Agency for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media (Roskomnadzor) has included the Wikipedia article on heroin in the list of banned web pages." link http://rapsinews.com/news/20141216/272790291.html[/link]

Now, can they be persuaded to blacklist all of the other articles?

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:32 pm

Russia can block Wikipedia if they want to. They can create their own online encyclopedia full of pro-Russian bias (such as Crimea being a part of Russia and the Ukrainians planting a false flag over Flight MH17 as an attempt to vilify Russia). Mail.ru can run that online encyclopedia as well.

Hersch · Unread post by **Hersch** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:56 pm

Poetlister wrote: link http://rapsinews.com/news/20141216/272790291.html[/link]
"The reasons were not specified."

link https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/ ... %D0%B5.pdf[/link] (official notice sent to Wikimedia)
"...due to the fact that the article contains information about how to develop, manufacture and use narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances and their precursors, places for the acquisition of such assets, substances and their precursors, and methods and locations for the cultivation of narcotic plants."

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:08 pm

Perhaps they felt it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:58 pm

Notvelty wrote:Perhaps they felt it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.

Don't meth around like thith.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:30 am

Vigilant wrote:
Notvelty wrote:Perhaps they felt it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.
Don't meth around like thith.

Both of you stop horsing around!

t

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:38 am

Randy from Boise wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Notvelty wrote:Perhaps they felt it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.
Don't meth around like thith.
Both of you stop horsing around!

t

Do I have to smack you?

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:54 am

Vigilant wrote:
Randy from Boise wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Notvelty wrote:Perhaps they felt it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.
Don't meth around like thith.
Both of you stop horsing around!

t
Do I have to smack you?

Stop needling each other.

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:29 am

Zoloft wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Randy from Boise wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Notvelty wrote:Perhaps they felt it wasn't what it was cracked up to be.
Don't meth around like thith.
Both of you stop horsing around!

t
Do I have to smack you?
Stop needling each other.

Now, now. Settle down. Let's not be THC.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:41 pm

link https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/ ... %D0%B5.pdf[/link] (official notice sent to Wikimedia)
"...due to the fact that the article contains information about how to develop, manufacture and use narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances and their precursors, places for the acquisition of such assets, substances and their precursors, and methods and locations for the cultivation of narcotic plants."

It would have to cover all those points. Sum of all human knowledge, NOTCENSORED, etc.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:05 pm

The deputy head of Russia's education watchdog said Thursday that Wikipedia should be banned, the TASS news agency reported.

"Wikipedia does not help, but only harms education," TASS cited Alexander Biserov, deputy head of Rosobrnadzor, as saying. The official complained that the free online encyclopedia is riddled with factual errors, and concluded "I would ban it, I would simply censor it."

A Rosobrnadzor spokesperson said later Thursday that the official's words were meant to be a joke and should not be taken seriously, Russian News Service reported.

Wikipedia has previously changed the content of articles relating to drugs and suicide after they were blacklisted by Russia's media and communications watchdog, Roskomnadzor.

Moscow Times

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:48 pm

And if you search TASS's English site, there is no mention of this whatsoever....

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:09 am

Oh good lord no. Wikipedians are the very definition of "useful idiots".

Vejvančický · Unread post by **Vejvančický** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:33 am

EricBarbour wrote:And if you search TASS's English site, there is no mention of this whatsoever....

It's here:

http://tass.ru/obschestvo/1715043

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:42 am

That's very interesting. Why isn't it in the English version? That rather supports my vague theory that the chap really meant it and got trodden on by someone very powerful.

iii · Unread post by **iii** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:49 pm

This Guardian article is quite interesting in its own right, but I people here might be want to know about http://ruxpert.ru/, which is apparently "a website marketed as a 'patriotic Russian Wikipedia', featuring ideologically acceptable versions of world events."

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:32 pm

List of famous Russophobes

link http://ruxpert.ru/index.php?title=%D0%9 ... ldid=74029[/link]

includes Karl Marx and Frederick Engels and excludes Adolf Hitler.

Make of that what you will.

RfB

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:45 pm

It's not quite the same as Conservapedia. I doubt that the latter is quite so scrupulous in endorsing Obama as the Russian one doubtless is in endorsing Putin. It would be great to have a few articles from them side by side. Crimea?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:29 am

http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/24/russia ... in-russia/

The Russian government has instructed all ISPs in the country to block Russian Wikipedia following their denied request to remove a post about preparing narcotics.

Anyone want to start a pool on how long before Jimbo gets a Russian honorarium?

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:00 am

Vigilant wrote:http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/24/russia ... in-russia/
The Russian government has instructed all ISPs in the country to block Russian Wikipedia following their denied request to remove a post about preparing narcotics.
Anyone want to start a pool on how long before Jimbo gets a Russian honorarium?

I thought the Russian Wikipedia was controlled by pro-Putin administrators? Wouldn't they do whatever the Russian government ordered them to do?

Then again, reading Russian Wikipedia (T-H-L), it looks like the Russian Wikipedia has been resisting the Russian government since 2012 over blacklisting attempts. I guess the Russian Wikipedia is going the way of the Uzbek Wikipedia.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:46 pm

Ban has been lifted: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/ ... s-ban.html

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:58 pm

Johnny Au wrote:Ban has been lifted: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/ ... s-ban.html

Fools Russian where angels to tread.

It's interesting how the Russian government backed off. I figured Putin's government was invincible with a large majority support. Why back off when they could just crush it with impunity?

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:19 pm

Hillary And Wikipedia Slam Russia
By William Dunkerley
October 15, 2015

...I first discovered reason to suspect Wikipedia’s political agenda while researching an article for Editors Only, a monthly I publish for online and print publication editors. The article’s theme was to be “audience-generated content.” And since Wikipedia is a conspicuous example of such, I invited its representative to share some information on Wikipedia’s experience with audience-generated content. I wrote to the Wikimedia Foundation, the organization that hosts Wikipedia and raises funds for it.

The response I got said, “Unfortunately, we cannot accommodate your request due to current time constraints.” It was signed by “Dasha Burns, On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation.”

So I had written to Wikimedia but received a response not from the organization, but by somebody answering on its behalf. I checked the domain name in Burns’ email address. It is “minassianmedia.com.”

Out of curiosity I went to the website at that address. All that’s there is a simple business card–type page with the company name, address, and phone number, plus the descriptive line “Content + Communications.” That’s is the whole website. There’s not a single link.

Still curious, I googled the company name. That brought me to a website of The Tribeca Disruptive Innovation Awards. In a report, it identified the president of Minassian Media as Craig Minassian.

And when I googled his name, what did I find?

He is the chief communications officer at the Clinton Foundation. That’s worth saying again: he is the chief communications officer at the Clinton Foundation. I wondered if this meant the Clinton family has Wikipedia under its thumb.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:37 pm

Dunkerley appears on Russia Today and elsewhere as a Putin propagandist, so disreputable that nobody serious even bothers to squash him.

Benjamin Franklin wrote: And yet all this is as certainly true as the Account, said to be from Quebec, in the Papers of last Week, that the Inhabitants of Canada are making Preparations for a Cod and Whale Fishery this Summer in the Upper Lakes. Ignorant People may object that the Upper Lakes are fresh, and that Cod and Whale are Salt-water Fish: But let them know, Sir, that Cod, like other Fish, when attacked by their Enemies, fly into any Water where they think they can be safest; that Whales, when they have a Mind to eat Cod, pursue them wherever they fly; and that the grand Leap of the Whale in that Chace up the Fall of Niagara is esteemed by all who have seen it, as one of the finest Spectacles in Nature!