Encyclosphere

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:34 am

She's done.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:15 pm

Add it to the pile.

Beeblebrox · Unread post by **Beeblebrox** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:20 pm

Stay tuned for the next exciting installment in the ongoing series "Larry Needs a Job". What's next for our Larry? An encyclopedia nobody can edit? Pakistan based phishing scams? Terrible gay porn? Who knows?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:20 pm
Stay tuned for the next exciting installment in the ongoing series "Larry Needs a Job". What's next for our Larry? An encyclopedia nobody can edit? Pakistan based phishing scams? Terrible gay porn? Who knows?

Does David Gerard still help host lemonparty.org?

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm

Why do we hear nothing about his Everipedia scam these days?

Beeblebrox · Unread post by **Beeblebrox** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:17 pm

Eric Corbett wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 pm
Why do we hear nothing about his Everipedia scam these days?

Pretty sure he skated on them for Encyclosphere, not that it's any better or worse without him.

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:23 pm

There's obviously a question mark over how good a five-year-old fork of the Wikipedia database could ever be, but why couldn't he see that it was and is a scam? Was he just blinded by the blockchain hype? Has he learned anything?

AndyTheGrump · Unread post by **AndyTheGrump** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:04 am

Eric Corbett wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:23 pm
...Has he learned anything?

Has he ever shown any sign of being capable of learning anything?

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:07 am

Fair point.

Giraffe Stapler · Unread post by **Giraffe Stapler** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:45 am

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:20 pm
Stay tuned for the next exciting installment in the ongoing series "Larry Needs a Job". What's next for our Larry? An encyclopedia nobody can edit? Pakistan based phishing scams? Terrible gay porn? Who knows?

Funny you should ask...

@lsanger wrote:I am shopping an idea for a Bible commentary wiki around to various Bible app/software publishers. If your org wants a copy of the brief proposal, let me know.
4:29 PM · Mar 2, 2020

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:48 am

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:44 am

"Shopping," indeed...

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Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:48 am

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:48 am

That appears to be a movie that I need to see.

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Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:47 am

Make seeing it a priority.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:34 pm

@lsanger wrote:I am shopping an idea for a Bible commentary wiki around to various Bible app/software publishers. If your org wants a copy of the brief proposal, let me know.
4:29 PM · Mar 2, 2020

If the idea is a crowdsourced commentary along the lines of Wikipedia, the popcorn rating would be staggering. It would be a honeypot for religious cranks of many different persuasions, not to mention anti-religious ones. I can foresee dozens, maybe hundreds, of edit wars that would rival anything ever on Wikipedia.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:59 am

Quick, somebody give Larry Sanger $200,000 — he's got another can't miss idea!!! A non-profit, of course!!!

I decided to see what our weird friend is up to now. An UNCENSORABLE PEER-TO-PEER SOCIAL MEDIA AND CONTENT-SHARING NETWORK BUILT ON BIT-TORRENT.

Please give generously.

RfB

Mason · Unread post by **Mason** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:47 pm

Is the stale cookie reference a metaphor? I feel like it's a metaphor.

Giraffe Stapler · Unread post by **Giraffe Stapler** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:32 pm

Inspired (apparently) by YouTube's desire to censor people claiming that 5G is causing COVID19. I'm not making this up.

AndyTheGrump · Unread post by **AndyTheGrump** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:27 pm

Jeez. An 'uncensorable peer-to-peer' means to share 'media'? Whatever could possibly go wrong with that?

Not just nuts. Stupid too. Profoundly stupid. Awe-inspiringly stupid. So stupid I wonder how he manages to get out of bed in the morning without strangling himself on his pyjamas.

Larry, seek help.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:17 pm

FaceChan.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Wed May 20, 2020 12:50 pm

How about the Encyclosphere?

Oops.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat May 23, 2020 10:53 am

I seem to have got on some mailing list; I get occasional e-mails from Encyclosphere. If I can be bothered, I'll block them.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat May 23, 2020 11:22 am

Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger penned a blog post last week declaring that the site is “badly biased,” “no longer has an effective neutrality policy” and clearly favors lefty politics.

Sanger – who is no longer with involved with Wikipedia – wrote that it has long forgotten its original policy of aiming to present information from a neutral point of view, and nowadays the crowd-sourced online encyclopedia “can be counted on” to cover politics with a liberal point of view.

Fox News

Edit: Mods: this could be merged with the Encyclosphere thread.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat May 23, 2020 5:23 pm

Already discussed in Encyclopedantic thread.

Maybe we could rename that one SANGER'S ENCYCLOSPHERE AND OTHER HALF-BAKED SCHEMES or some such.

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Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat May 23, 2020 5:28 pm

Lamentably, he seems to have found my email registration and removed it from his list.

I do so enjoy keeping up with the latest in logical thinking from the great philosophical scholar. I feel as though he is on the verge of a new revelatory paradigm for the concept of Alternate Facts.

RfB

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat May 23, 2020 5:55 pm

Isn't it remarkable that two men, Sanger and Wales, who think themselves tech geniuses have yet to actually succeed at anything since wikipedia?

Earthy Astringent · Unread post by **Earthy Astringent** » Sat May 23, 2020 7:20 pm

Oh come now, that’s hardly fair. I mean Jimbo has proven particularly adept at marrying up a level.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat May 23, 2020 8:37 pm

When you were so terrible in your former life that you had to settle for Jimbo as a 'trophy' husband...

Modern purgatory.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Sat May 23, 2020 9:25 pm

Maybe we could rename that one SANGER'S ENCYCLOSPHERE AND OTHER HALF-BAKED SCHEMES or some such.

I'd say more of a reorganization is in order. This thread is entitled "Encyclosphere," but it really only covered that topic for a few initial posts and a handful of rather derisory status updates later on. So instead, IMO, it should probably be called something more like the suggestion above, or to make it more generalized, "Larry Sanger's Descent Into Madness."

The easy thing to do would be to just retitle the existing thread and move it over to "General Discussion," but would there be some value in splitting it into two threads, leaving those initial posts in the "Non-Wikimedia Wiki Sites" subforum under the original title...?

Also, other suggestions for a new thread title are, of course, welcome. "Larry Sanger: From Co-Flounder to Conspiracy Freak" might be more descriptive, for example.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun May 24, 2020 11:02 am

I agree that some sorting out is necessary. However, we really have no conclusive evidence that Larry is clinically mad. How about: "Larry Sanger: The desire for fame is the last infirmity of the noble mind." Of course, there are those here who might say that his mind was never noble.

No Ledge · Unread post by **No Ledge** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:41 pm

Larry Sanger wrote:Hold onto your hats! The Encyclosphere—the decentralized encyclopedia network, the superset of all encyclopedias, the network that will do for encyclopedias what the Blogosphere did for blogs—is once again back under construction.

I've got some significant runway.

So I should, and probably will, pare back my non-Encyclosphere activities here on Twitter; we have a golden opportunity *finally* to get this thing off the ground. We made a good start last year (you'll see when the site is launched) but I had to stop in order to pay the bills. tweets

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:44 pm

A zombie thread for a zombie project...

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Beeblebrox · Unread post by **Beeblebrox** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:50 pm

It's funny that Larry thinks anyone actually was waiting for it to "come back" when it never existed in the first place.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:32 pm

It's all about the runway, baby!

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Nemo · Unread post by **Nemo** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:58 am

I'm curious, what are the main objections to Encyclosphere's model?

(I've heard of Citizendum but was never involved or interested in it, since it seemed to be a small, niche website dedicated to a handful of subjects and didn't have the broad, encyclopedic appeal that Wikipedia does).

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:38 am

Nemo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:58 am
I'm curious, what are the main objections to Encyclosphere's model?

Well, for one thing it's not clear, to me at least, what Encyclosphere's model actually is, apart from some overblown rhetoric about an imaginary Knowledge Standards Foundation.

But you need to be focusing on what your own aims are, not what other people may or may not be doing.

Unread post by **tarantino** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:05 am

I missed the launch of encyclosearch.org and factseek.org, which are products from Larry Sanger, Henry Sanger and Sergei Chekanov (who in his spare time is a particle physicist at Argonne National Laboratory). It's interesting that among the popular searches on factseek are mywikibiz and Homer, Alaska :)

AndyTheGrump · Unread post by **AndyTheGrump** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:54 am

I don't think this has been mentioned here before, and have just noticed that Betty Wills (Atsme (T-C-L) on Wikipedia) is one of the current 'Encyclosphere Team'. https://encyclosphere.org/team

Nothing wrong in principle with anyone participating in both projects of course....

Mason · Unread post by **Mason** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:02 am

She’s very talented.

Also a bit Trumpy, if memory serves, so being on the Sanger train would make sense in that respect.

No Ledge · Unread post by **No Ledge** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:12 am

tarantino wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:05 am
I missed the launch of encyclosearch.org and factseek.org, which are products from Larry Sanger, Henry Sanger and Sergei Chekanov (who in his spare time is a particle physicist at Argonne National Laboratory). It's interesting that among the popular searches on factseek are mywikibiz and Homer, Alaska

What? You missed the WPO thread Wikipedia is a part of encyclosearch?!? I didn't think anything slipped past Tarantino.

Unread post by **tarantino** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:20 am

Huh. And Sergei and his wife are members here. I should have used our search function :)

AngelOne · Unread post by **AngelOne** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:23 am

AndyTheGrump wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:54 am
I don't think this has been mentioned here before, and have just noticed that Betty Wills (Atsme (T-C-L) on Wikipedia) is one of the current 'Encyclosphere Team'. https://encyclosphere.org/team

Her photos are very, very good. Her writing is fine but not as good as her photos.

She pushes right-wing points of view and talking points so she'll fit right in with Sanger.

AndyTheGrump · Unread post by **AndyTheGrump** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:43 am

Betty Wills/Atsme is right-wing, yup, but she doesn't seem to have gone quite as far off into loopy-land as Sanger has, and I have a suspicion that the two of them may end up in an almighty clash of egos at some point, if they start debating politics. Which would make for a good spectator sport...

No Ledge · Unread post by **No Ledge** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:47 pm

Big Tech took over our digital lives. Let's do something about it.

The world desperately needs an easy way to find the best encyclopedia articles on every topic; it has become dependent on Wikipedia, which is extremely biased. The new Knowledge Standards Foundation aims to make it easy to find the "long tail" of encyclopedia articles from all sources by connecting them together in a single network, not unlike the blogosphere: call it an encyclosphere!

Join us starting September 6, 2021, for a series of roundtable discussions about how to achieve this goal.
Probably will be more interesting than Wikimania.

The Technology of Decentralization Seminar

Wikipedia Co-Founder to Launch Roundtable Discussion on “Universal Network of Encyclopedias” (PRWEB) press release

ArmasRebane · Unread post by **ArmasRebane** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:31 pm

If you can't beat 'em.... try and create a niche joining them together?

iii · Unread post by **iii** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:11 am

AndyTheGrump wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:43 am
Betty Wills/Atsme is right-wing, yup, but she doesn't seem to have gone quite as far off into loopy-land as Sanger has

Not so sure about that.

https://www.facebook.com/betwills/posts ... 4285982681

https://www.facebook.com/betwills/posts ... 0781707681

https://www.facebook.com/betwills/posts ... 3158017681

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:12 am

That depends on how you measure distance in loopy-land!

And of course Larry with his PhD should really know better. I don't know what Atsme's qualifications are.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:13 am

Wikipedia Co-Founder to Launch Roundtable Discussion on “Universal Network of Encyclopedias”

At a cultural moment in which the media is becoming ever more opinionated and centralized—and less trusted to report all the facts—Dr. Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, is announcing an initiative to decentralize the world’s encyclopedias. A new non-profit aims to promote technical standards and software that will make it easier to find high-quality information and a global range of opinion. Sanger and a group of like-minded technologists incorporated the non-profit Knowledge Standards Foundation (KSF) late last year and have been making preparations to launch a deep-dive seminar / discussion group that will hash out the details. The mostly-volunteer group has started several software projects.

prweb.com

No Ledge · Unread post by **No Ledge** » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:25 pm

No Ledge wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:47 pm

Indeed Larry's conversation with Jean-François Groff (T-H-L) and Peter Magnusson was more interesting though I admit to dozing off for a while midway through the 2.5+ hour show.

It doesn't seem he drew quite the crowd he might have been hoping for. YouTube only reported 15-20 viewers through most of it, but I suppose there may have been more watching on other platforms since his target audience doesn't like centralized platforms and YouTube is the quintessential centralized platform used for decentralized discussions.

No Ledge · Unread post by **No Ledge** » Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:41 pm

Seminar for week #2