Nihonjoe Has Been Naughty

[greenday61892]

I'm getting kind of sick of nihonjoe leaning so heavily on the amount of edits he's done as if it absolves the problematic ones that got him in this situation in the first place. A judge isn't going to hear "well your honor I've lived 11,783 days and I only stole a car on two of them so I don't see what the big deal is" and say "you know what sir? You're right, have a good day. Case dismissed"

[The Blue Newt]

"Please," squacked the baby Crow, "Who will sacrifice themselves for me?"

The thing is, this isn’t Crow’s fault, is it?

Asking someone to meatpuppet his utterings to WP:ANI is asking someone to fall on their sword for him.

Again, that isn’t really Crow’s doing. That is because a large number of wikipediots buy into knee jerk reactions to who said what where, rather than what was said.

[rnu]

I'm getting kind of sick of nihonjoe leaning so heavily on the amount of edits he's done as if it absolves the problematic ones that got him in this situation in the first place. A judge isn't going to hear "well your honor I've lived 11,783 days and I only stole a car on two of them so I don't see what the big deal is" and say "you know what sir? You're right, have a good day. Case dismissed"

On Wikipedia it usually works, with one caveat, others have to say it about you, you don't say it yourself.

[greenday61892]

I'm getting kind of sick of nihonjoe leaning so heavily on the amount of edits he's done as if it absolves the problematic ones that got him in this situation in the first place. A judge isn't going to hear "well your honor I've lived 11,783 days and I only stole a car on two of them so I don't see what the big deal is" and say "you know what sir? You're right, have a good day. Case dismissed"

On Wikipedia it usually works, with one caveat, others have to say it about you, you don't say it yourself.

Which honestly drives me even crazier. At least if it's the person themselves doing it, we're only dealing with one asshole (ostensibly, anyhow); when someone else does it for them now we're deal with multiple/several

[The Garbage Scow]

To review the Nihonjoe case: the edits were found to be pretty unproblematic, the lack of candor troubling, and the use of full protection buttons the main lasting issue.

It's completely ridiculous busting a bureaucrat all the way to tenderfoot based on the actual evidence presented at that particular lynching event.

You're in favor of allowing a baldfaced liar and self-promoter to maintain access to advanced permissions and positions supposedly reserved for those who have earned the community's trust?

[Randy from Boise]

To review the Nihonjoe case: the edits were found to be pretty unproblematic, the lack of candor troubling, and the use of full protection buttons the main lasting issue.

It's completely ridiculous busting a bureaucrat all the way to tenderfoot based on the actual evidence presented at that particular lynching event.

You're in favor of allowing a baldfaced liar and self-promoter to maintain access to advanced permissions and positions supposedly reserved for those who have earned the community's trust?

Well, that does seem to be a channeling of the prevailing sentiment, even if it doesn't match anything I see in Arbcom's actual conclusions about the case.

I thought The Kraken's close examination of a couple bad edits was interesting.

Again though: autoconfirmed indicates a person has a grasp of notability policy and can be greenlighted around an overburdened new article patrol — it's not an "advanced permission" in any meaningful sense.

t

[ArmasRebane]

I'm getting kind of sick of nihonjoe leaning so heavily on the amount of edits he's done as if it absolves the problematic ones that got him in this situation in the first place. A judge isn't going to hear "well your honor I've lived 11,783 days and I only stole a car on two of them so I don't see what the big deal is" and say "you know what sir? You're right, have a good day. Case dismissed"

On Wikipedia it usually works, with one caveat, others have to say it about you, you don't say it yourself.

Which honestly drives me even crazier. At least if it's the person themselves doing it, we're only dealing with one asshole (ostensibly, anyhow); when someone else does it for them now we're deal with multiple/several

Eh, this is one of those cases where Wikipedia is just more transparent about a real-world behavior and lays the innate hypocrisy a little bit more plainly bare. People make excuses for their friends that minimize the damage in favor of their positive contributions all the time, it's just on Wikipedia you can put "objective" if meaningless metrics to them like "edit counts".

[Wikiguy.DC]

Looking through Joe's page creations I think his COI editing goes much further than what was cited in the arbcom case. Sure, he got caught writing about the companies he has worked for, but see how many articles he has written about books by Mormon authors with ties to the AML or that sci-fi symposium where he teaches others how to edit Wikipedia.

[greenday61892]

I'm getting kind of sick of nihonjoe leaning so heavily on the amount of edits he's done as if it absolves the problematic ones that got him in this situation in the first place. A judge isn't going to hear "well your honor I've lived 11,783 days and I only stole a car on two of them so I don't see what the big deal is" and say "you know what sir? You're right, have a good day. Case dismissed"

On Wikipedia it usually works, with one caveat, others have to say it about you, you don't say it yourself.

Which honestly drives me even crazier. At least if it's the person themselves doing it, we're only dealing with one asshole (ostensibly, anyhow); when someone else does it for them now we're deal with multiple/several

Eh, this is one of those cases where Wikipedia is just more transparent about a real-world behavior and lays the innate hypocrisy a little bit more plainly bare. People make excuses for their friends that minimize the damage in favor of their positive contributions all the time, it's just on Wikipedia you can put "objective" if meaningless metrics to them like "edit counts".

But that's kind of my point. It's so obviously meaningless to anyone with a brain, but someone doing it for someone else spreads the visible cancer to more entities making it harder to fully excise.

[Giraffe Stapler]

Looking through Joe's page creations I think his COI editing goes much further than what was cited in the arbcom case. Sure, he got caught writing about the companies he has worked for, but see how many articles he has written about books by Mormon authors with ties to the AML or that sci-fi symposium where he teaches others how to edit Wikipedia.

Before all of this started, I knew Nihonjoe existed but I had no opinion of their editing or their character. Once I started looking more closely at them I came to the conclusion that they were a dick. So I'm not surprised by their reactions to the ArbCom case. I am a little surprised that they get away with the fiction about how few of their many, many edits were tainted by conflict of interest.

Take a look at the second ever article created by Nihonjoe in 2005: Utah Speculative Fiction Council (archive from 2013). It lists as "member groups" three other things Joe Monson was involved in: Anime Banzai, CONduit, and LtUE. Who was the president of the Utah Speculative Fiction Council? According to this 2009 interview, it was someone name "Joe M".

I'm pretty sure no one bothered to send this articular example of COI to ArbCom. It's almost 20 years old, for one thing. For another, you can bet that Nihonjoe would say he wasn't "paid" for those edits. The supposed reason that paid editing is forbidden strongly discouraged is that paid editors are not seen as unbiased. What difference does it make if you are paid for promoting IBM or not paid for promoting your own 501(c)(3)? The bias is the issue. Sigh.

[Yngvadottir]

The supposed reason that paid editing is forbidden strongly discouraged is that paid editors are not seen as unbiased. What difference does it make if you are paid for promoting IBM or not paid for promoting your own 501(c)(3)? The bias is the issue. Sigh.

Yes. The concern over companies and actual currency payments keeps washing out the fine details. Nihonjoe kept using "I wasn't paid to make that edit" as his excuse, most blatantly with the article he created while an employee, then moved to mainspace afterwards, but he gave the impression he believed COI policy only applied to paid editing in the strictest sense. At AN and again at ArbCom, including some Arbs, some editors kept getting side-tracked onto paid editing or argued as if that is the only problematic kind of COI editing. (I e-mailed someone about this and we talked past each other a few times; I don't think I should say who without their permission.) I get it that some people have always worked in a corporate environment and can't get their heads out of that (we see this also in the attempts led by the WMF to impose standards of polite discourse appropriate to offices, which a significant fraction of editors have never even worked in, and I'm being nice here by assuming that the US offices they're thinking of have similar conversational norms to offices in Melbourne, London, or New Delhi). I get it that some people are hung up on the evils of capitalism (it's extremely hard to get and keep an article on a company, paradoxically easier to get and keep a puff piece about the CEO because the Great Man theory makes biographies smell less). But Nihonjoe's COIs are an almost perfect illustration of the range of conflict of interest and how it extends far beyond payment specifically for SEO or even pumping up coverage of companies with which one is associated. It appears to be missing academic COI, but verges on it with the LDS writers, and I don't see anyone suggesting a family COI. (And in any case, Hemelein: he edited books, duh, he stands to gain from their being purchased and borrowed from the library, and furthermore he's held a prominent position at the publisher. Its being a small business doesn't make it less of a COI.)

Randy/Tim, he hasn't been "busted down", he's been removed from positions of trust. They aren't ranks in a supervisory structure, much less in the military. He showed such disrespect for the community and such dishonesty that ArbCom was forced to admit that one of their friends had lost the necessary basis of trust. Look at that AN discussion and you'll see me opining that his COIs were relatively trivial. When I read the blog post, I was underwhelmed. But the guy threw away every chance to come clean, and behaved reprehensibly in varying degrees throughout. (And reams of COI edits have come out and continue to come out.) He has the right to do a fresh RfA, and he hasn't lost his editing rights—no topic ban, nothing. His new articles are just subject to the usual more or less cursory sniff from the NPPers, and that's it. (And of course he can't any longer protect them on his preferred version.) He's proven me wrong and "Eddy Landwehr" right on the money. And I thought he had more class than to immediately start trying to get his hats back ... and when denied to argue that ArbCom didn't share the private evidence with him, after they took the unusual step of sharing a digest of it.

[Vigilant]

Come on.

The bits are all ranks.

Losing them is the kiss of death on en.wp.

[rnu]

Pending changes reviewer: denied

[The Garbage Scow]

Pending changes reviewer: denied

He's been VERY active since he posted the Wikibreak notice on his talk page the other day... weakest Diva Quit ever.

[rnu]

Pending changes reviewer: denied

He's been VERY active since he posted the Wikibreak notice on his talk page the other day... weakest Diva Quit ever.

Maybe he's taking a break from COI and PAID editing.

[The Garbage Scow]

Bizarre turn of events. I hadn't noticed our old friend Travis Lee Bailey aka Ikip (T-C-L) posted a load of conspiracy gibberish on Nihonjoe's talk page back on the 9th, fishing for real life details about Beebs and diannaa (T-C-L).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1218096830

[rnu]

Bizarre turn of events. I hadn't noticed our old friend Travis Lee Bailey aka Ikip (T-C-L) posted a load of conspiracy gibberish on Nihonjoe's talk page back on the 9th, fishing for real life details about Beebs and diannaa (T-C-L).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1218096830

That's "Travis Lee Bailey Esq." to you, sir!

Wikipedia closed down the entire Moscow metro for one year because i was alerting Wikipedians about these two.

I can honestly say that I did not know that.

[sásamh]

As my mother-in-law would say, "Have they no pride?"

[Kraken]

The smaller you are, the greater the benefit from being promoted on Wikipedia. To be able to have your products linked on Wikipedia while keeping the #1 search result for your own website, is a massive win win for any small business. Small companies with Wikipedia articles are always at risk of one scandal being immortalized forever.

Perhaps these basics of the modern world should be made clearer to those Wikipedia editors who seem to think Nihonjoe is the victim here. He either knew what he was doing at every stage, or he's too stupid to have ever been elevated to Bureaucrat.

[Yngvadottir]

Come on.

The bits are all ranks.

Losing them is the kiss of death on en.wp.

I'm being naive again, aren't I? I still think they're ranks only in the Wikipedia MMORPG, or to those who see everything through a lens of ambition, and seek adminship for that reason. Yup, I don't think he's likely to regain adminship, and he's lost most of my respect. But my respect won't get you much, on or off Wikipedia. ArbCom had to be dragged kicking and screaming to even implement this Super Mario remedy. There wasn't a hope in heck of a topic ban. (As they laboriously argued themselves into realising, COI editing isn't actually forbidden, but he was dismissive and deceptive even at ArbCom, so they were forced to recognise he wasn't meeting standards for disclosure or admin conduct.) So his Wikipedia career is far from dead. He still has powerful friends, and a shiny badge from the WMF. And ArbCom are probably collectively praying they don't have to hear a broader LDS case before their terms are up.

[Yngvadottir]

Bizarre turn of events. I hadn't noticed our old friend Travis Lee Bailey aka Ikip (T-C-L) posted a load of conspiracy gibberish on Nihonjoe's talk page back on the 9th, fishing for real life details about Beebs and diannaa (T-C-L).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1218096830

That's "Travis Lee Bailey Esq." to you, sir!

Wikipedia closed down the entire Moscow metro for one year because i was alerting Wikipedians about these two.

I can honestly say that I did not know that.

Wow. I used to like Ikip/Okip, when he was all about countering deletionism. It took me a while to parse that statement about the Moscow Metro—he must mean blocked its IP range, not stopped the trains from running. (/me idly considers how much damage he and Kumioko could do to worldwide IP access if they worked together.) But still. That post is "off the hook".

[tarantino]

What Travis Lee Bailey has become is very sad.

In completely unrelated news, Travis Lee Bailey looks and sounds pretty rough these days.



https://youtu.be/kbBQn249tiY

A wannabe spy got a job at Utah government agency to find and send documents to Russia

See his reddit account for more sad stories.

[Vigilant]

Well, we done voted for this new thing. How in the hell are we actually going to do it?!

Nice work ARBCOM...

Also, what are the new rules, asks nearly everyone.

[Zoloft]

Well, we done voted for this new thing. How in the hell are we actually going to do it?!

Nice work ARBCOM...

Also, what are the new rules, asks nearly everyone.

New procedure: Flail.

[Vigilant]

Well, we done voted for this new thing. How in the hell are we actually going to do it?!

Nice work ARBCOM...

Also, what are the new rules, asks nearly everyone.

New procedure: Flail.

ARBCOM rendering their next decision via interpretive dance.

[DanMurphy]

What Travis Lee Bailey has become is very sad.

In completely unrelated news, Travis Lee Bailey looks and sounds pretty rough these days.



https://youtu.be/kbBQn249tiY

A wannabe spy got a job at Utah government agency to find and send documents to Russia

See his reddit account for more sad stories.

Among other things, he has cunningly outed my DanMurphy account as being operated by Dan Murphy. (Though it must be some other Dan Murphy who worked for National Geographic.) He has made that particular post about 50 times in the past month or so (I get a ping at Wikipedia every time he does it.) He was evidently insane before he was banned from Wikipedia. And the faithful rallied around him for years.

[The Garbage Scow]

What Travis Lee Bailey has become is very sad.

In completely unrelated news, Travis Lee Bailey looks and sounds pretty rough these days.



https://youtu.be/kbBQn249tiY

A wannabe spy got a job at Utah government agency to find and send documents to Russia

See his reddit account for more sad stories.

Among other things, he has cunningly outed my DanMurphy account as being operated by Dan Murphy. (Though it must be some other Dan Murphy who worked for National Geographic.) He has made that particular post about 50 times in the past month or so (I get a ping at Wikipedia every time he does it.) He was evidently insane before he was banned from Wikipedia. And the faithful rallied around him for years.

He's always been batshit. He was much better at concealing it years ago.

[rnu]

[...]

Among other things, he has cunningly outed my DanMurphy account as being operated by Dan Murphy. (Though it must be some other Dan Murphy who worked for National Geographic.) He has made that particular post about 50 times in the past month or so (I get a ping at Wikipedia every time he does it.) He was evidently insane before he was banned from Wikipedia. And the faithful rallied around him for years.

You should ask Primefac to oversight each and every instance of that OUTING.

[The Blue Newt]

[...]

Among other things, he has cunningly outed my DanMurphy account as being operated by Dan Murphy. (Though it must be some other Dan Murphy who worked for National Geographic.) He has made that particular post about 50 times in the past month or so (I get a ping at Wikipedia every time he does it.) He was evidently insane before he was banned from Wikipedia. And the faithful rallied around him for years.

You should ask Primefac to oversight each and every instance of that OUTING.

Is there a decent netkook repository these days? Useta be their was one on every virtual street corner.

[tarantino]

At least he didn't confuse you with Don Murphy (T-H-L), who was an old friend of wikipedia review.

[Dennis Brown]

Well, we done voted for this new thing. How in the hell are we actually going to do it?!

Nice work ARBCOM...

Also, what are the new rules, asks nearly everyone.

We don't want Arbcom making new policy, that is not their job. Their job is to arbitrate protracted problems that the community CAN'T solve, and find solutions that are equitable and put the interests of the Project first, using existing policy as a basis. Policy changes should happen by consensus of the entire community, not a handful of people that passed the low bar of becoming an Arb. There is no reason to believe that the community can't handle changing the policy. My entire input at Arb was to make sure they DIDN'T start making policy by fiat. I never once spoke as to Nijonjoe's innocence or guilt.

[Vigilant]

Well, we done voted for this new thing. How in the hell are we actually going to do it?!

Nice work ARBCOM...

Also, what are the new rules, asks nearly everyone.

We don't want Arbcom making new policy, that is not their job. Their job is to arbitrate protracted problems that the community CAN'T solve, and find solutions that are equitable and put the interests of the Project first, using existing policy as a basis. Policy changes should happen by consensus of the entire community, not a handful of people that passed the low bar of becoming an Arb. There is no reason to believe that the community can't handle changing the policy. My entire input at Arb was to make sure they DIDN'T start making policy by fiat. I never once spoke as to Nijonjoe's innocence or guilt.

And you didn't want the WMF making rules and now you have the uCOCk.

If teh communitah won't step in and rewrite the rules, when they are clearly insufficient, then others will do that for you.

You guys can't even been seen to administer the rules the same for the 'highly permissioned' and everyone else.
It was incontrovertible that Joe got off easy.
If he had apologized early, he might have skated entirely.

[Yngvadottir]

Well, we done voted for this new thing. How in the hell are we actually going to do it?!

We don't want Arbcom making new policy, that is not their job. Their job is to arbitrate protracted problems that the community CAN'T solve, and find solutions that are equitable and put the interests of the Project first, using existing policy as a basis. Policy changes should happen by consensus of the entire community, not a handful of people that passed the low bar of becoming an Arb. There is no reason to believe that the community can't handle changing the policy. My entire input at Arb was to make sure they DIDN'T start making policy by fiat. I never once spoke as to Nijonjoe's innocence or guilt.

The discussion at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard seems to have petered out after getting sidetracked into further discussion of how issues were raised on-wiki. Understandably enough, since it's a general section for discussion of the announcement of the case closure, and since the institution of a new VRT queue needs to be sorted out with the VRT admins (hope I'm using the correct terminology). But I don't really see the new policy; I see ArbCom fobbing off one of its responsibilities (being who editors e-mail with private evidence of what they suspect is COI editing). I may be being naive. I may be being even more naive in seeing this as a good thing; ArbCom appears to have been a black hole into which such reports vanished, with no way of knowing whether they'd been lost in transit, round-filed unread, forgotten as committee members waited for each other to respond or tried to decide who should investigate ... I figure it's an important thing that I'm glad the Keystone Kops are passing to someone else. (Also maybe I'm naive in thinking VRT folks are less likely to react to such a report by saying "Oh he's my bud, he can't be doing anything really bad" and more likely to say "Oops, friend of mine, pass on reviewing this one.")

[rnu]

[...]
And you didn't want the WMF making rules and now you have the uCOCk.

If teh communitah won't step in and rewrite the rules, when they are clearly insufficient, then others will do that for you.

You guys can't even been seen to administer the rules the same for the 'highly permissioned' and everyone else.
It was incontrovertible that Joe got off easy.
If he had apologized early, he might have skated entirely.

A few years ago the German constitutional court ruled that the laws regulating the elections for the Bundestag were unconstitutional (they gave an unfair advantage to big parties) and set a date until which a new law had to be in place so it could be vetted in time for the next elections. The government dragged its feet until in an extraordinary move the president of the constitutional court said in an interview that if the government won't write a new law the constitutional court will write one for them. That's why you need a strong independent judiciary.

[Randy from Boise]

We don't want Arbcom making new policy, that is not their job. Their job is to arbitrate protracted problems that the community CAN'T solve, and find solutions that are equitable and put the interests of the Project first, using existing policy as a basis. Policy changes should happen by consensus of the entire community, not a handful of people that passed the low bar of becoming an Arb. There is no reason to believe that the community can't handle changing the policy. My entire input at Arb was to make sure they DIDN'T start making policy by fiat. I never once spoke as to Nijonjoe's innocence or guilt.

Your turn to run for Arb, Dennis.

t

[Beeblebrox]

Bizarre turn of events. I hadn't noticed our old friend Travis Lee Bailey aka Ikip (T-C-L) posted a load of conspiracy gibberish on Nihonjoe's talk page back on the 9th, fishing for real life details about Beebs and diannaa (T-C-L).

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1218096830

That's "Travis Lee Bailey Esq." to you, sir!

Wikipedia closed down the entire Moscow metro for one year because i was alerting Wikipedians about these two.

I can honestly say that I did not know that.

He's been posting this same unhinged screed on and off for months...years maybe. I haven't bothered posting about it because it is just more evidence of what we already knew: he cray cray. (he also always says I'm a "former bureaucrat" which I guess is supposed to hurt my feelings...except that I never was one so it doesn't.)

[Beeblebrox]

We don't want Arbcom making new policy, that is not their job. Their job is to arbitrate protracted problems that the community CAN'T solve, and find solutions that are equitable and put the interests of the Project first, using existing policy as a basis. Policy changes should happen by consensus of the entire community, not a handful of people that passed the low bar of becoming an Arb. There is no reason to believe that the community can't handle changing the policy. My entire input at Arb was to make sure they DIDN'T start making policy by fiat. I never once spoke as to Nijonjoe's innocence or guilt.

Your turn to run for Arb, Dennis.

t

You got my vote. For what that's worth these days....

[Yngvadottir]

Your turn to run for Arb, Dennis.
t

You got my vote. For what that's worth these days....

Mine too. Along with Fram. And Beeblebrox, again.

[rnu]

Your turn to run for Arb, Dennis.
t

You got my vote. For what that's worth these days....

Mine too. Along with Fram. And Beeblebrox, again.

And my shrug.

[Vigilant]

Your turn to run for Arb, Dennis.
t

You got my vote. For what that's worth these days....

Mine too. Along with Fram. And Beeblebrox, again.

And my shrug.

And my axe!!!

Wait... what are we doing?

[Beeblebrox]

Your turn to run for Arb, Dennis.
t

You got my vote. For what that's worth these days....

Mine too. Along with Fram. And Beeblebrox, again.

And my shrug.

And my axe!!!

Wait... what are we doing?

One does not simply walk into arbitration. Its black gates are guarded by more than just admins. There is evil there that does not sleep. The great troll is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with really stupid disagreements,, bigots, and nationalists. The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand editors could you do this. It is folly.

[Randy from Boise]

I also think Beebs/GenericUserName should change his name again to TotallyNotBeeblebrox (T-C-L) and should run for Arb Com again.

That would be most excellent.

t

[Randy from Boise]

And you, Yngvadottir (T-C-L)!

t

[Vigilant]

And you, Yngvadottir (T-C-L)!

t

"Vote for sanity for a change."

[Randy from Boise]

..........and it's a time for a return of New York Brad, who is, of course, the best Arb ever.

Fram would also be fun. Can you imagine the sound of WMF shitting bricks in quadraphonic stereo???

t

[Yngvadottir]

..........and it's a time for a return of New York Brad, who is, of course, the best Arb ever.

Fram would also be fun. Can you imagine the sound of WMF shitting bricks in quadraphonic stereo???

t

Quite. Every time I imagine Fram winning an ArbCom seat, new advantages come to mind. The only downside I can think of is that they'd be doing less of what they do.

On the other hand ...

And you, Yngvadottir (T-C-L)!

t

"Vote for sanity for a change."

I appreciate the compliment, gents, but me? sane?? (Anyway, my utter unsuitability aside, I refuse to identify to the WMF; not effing safe.)

[tarantino]

I appreciate the compliment, gents, but me? sane?? (Anyway, my utter unsuitability aside, I refuse to identify to the WMF; not effing safe.)

You don't need to identify. You just need to electronically sign the Wikimedia Foundation Confidentiality Agreement for Nonpublic Information.

[Randy from Boise]

I appreciate the compliment, gents, but me? sane?? (Anyway, my utter unsuitability aside, I refuse to identify to the WMF; not effing safe.)

You don't need to identify. You just need to electronically sign the Wikimedia Foundation Confidentiality Agreement for Nonpublic Information.

Yeah, see, now you've gotta do it!

t

[Yngvadottir]

I appreciate the compliment, gents, but me? sane?? (Anyway, my utter unsuitability aside, I refuse to identify to the WMF; not effing safe.)

You don't need to identify. You just need to electronically sign the Wikimedia Foundation Confidentiality Agreement for Nonpublic Information.

Yeah, see, now you've gotta do it!

t

Hmmm. The AKA is suggested but not required to be one's wallet name. I suppose one could cock a snook by using "Muggins" or "Editor McEditorface". I wonder whether they actually use the Phab e-mail for contact, or whether it can be a throw-away created for the purpose? "You are now legally bound" suggests a legal stinger hidden in those steps. But I wonder whether that's enough protection for Fram to go for it ...

Can't, sorry. Not even to demonstrate in response to the candidate questions how appallingly bad I would be at it.

But maybe we should have a split-off thread for the Dream ArbCom slate.

[Vigilant]

How ironic