The James Alexander Farewell Thread

SixOClock · Unread post by **SixOClock** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:25 am

Catnip the Dwarf · Unread post by **Catnip the Dwarf** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:48 am

02:13, 15 December 2018 -revi (talk | contribs) changed global group membership for User:Jalexander-WMF from staff to (none) (User no longer working for WMF)
02:12, 15 December 2018 -revi (talk | contribs) changed group membership for Jalexander-WMF from interface administrator, translation administrator and WMF Support and Safety to (none) (User no longer working for WMF) (thank)

Looks like it. I wonder why.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:57 am

The Lord High Inquisitor of the Friendly Space has hit the trail?!?!?!

Wow.

That's big news...

RfB

GorillaWarfare · Unread post by **GorillaWarfare** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:03 am

Before some folks here get their conspiracy theories out, there wasn't a coup or anything. I really wish the WMF would announce these kinds of changes on the mailing lists before removing the userrights, it would save a lot of wild speculation.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:07 am

GorillaWarfare wrote:Before some folks here get their conspiracy theories out, there wasn't a coup or anything. I really wish the WMF would announce these kinds of changes on the mailing lists before removing the userrights, it would save a lot of wild speculation.

Come on, wild speculation is half the fun!

My guess is that high-end cast-iron cookware was somehow involved.

Catnip the Dwarf · Unread post by **Catnip the Dwarf** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:18 am

Randy from Boise wrote:The Lord High Inquisitor of the Friendly Space

Nice.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:59 am

Also, I accept that naming the thread "-1" is clever, and don't get me wrong, I like cleverness, but it seems like we're doing our readers a disservice by engaging in what could easily be seen as near-obscurantism, and of the cryptic variety at that.

Howzabout something like "James Alexander: Should he allow door to hit him on way out?" or "James Alexander's daring escape from soul-crushing WMF wage slavery"...? Or maybe "James Alexander to pursue exciting new fry-cook opportunities"?

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:04 am

Midsize Jake wrote:Also, I accept that naming the thread "-1" is clever, and don't get me wrong, I like cleverness, but it seems like we're doing our readers a disservice by engaging in what could easily be seen as near-obscurantism, and of the cryptic variety at that.

Howzabout something like "James Alexander: Should he allow door to hit him on way out?" or "James Alexander's daring escape from soul-crushing WMF wage slavery"...? Or maybe "James Alexander to pursue exciting new fry-cook opportunities"?

I'm all about starting a rumor that he's joining the Trump administration as a public relations liaison, myself...

RfB

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:00 am

Jalexander has stepped down.

It was going to happen at some point, but who now who will replace him?

My money is on foks.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:18 pm

GorillaWarfare wrote:Before some folks here get their conspiracy theories out, there wasn't a coup or anything. I really wish the WMF would announce these kinds of changes on the mailing lists before removing the userrights, it would save a lot of wild speculation.

Honestly it really doesn't matter why he left, the WMF and the projects will be far better off with him gone. I say good riddance but I do wonder where he went to because if he went down the street to Fandom I'm screwed. My guess is he quit before he got shit canned and if my frequent commentary or conduct towards him had even the slightest role to play in driving him out then I will gladly add that to the long list of things I have done to help the projects.

I also wonder who his replacement will be. I'm hope they dont select one of the morons from the section but they'll probably either do that or hire some out of work admin since the WMF has become a jobs program for admins.

Maybe he's going to be Trumps Chief of Staff!

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:15 pm

Well according to my spies he got a job working for Twitter and will be in charge of their Live Video/Periscope safety operations section.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:38 pm

Kumioko wrote:Well according to my spies he got a job working for Twitter and will be in charge of their Live Video/Periscope safety operations section.

Nice!

I think this is a career advancement, so good on him.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:05 pm

Good for him, good for the community, good for the WMF.

Personally I think he is out of his league and they'll eat him alive but we'll see.

Anroth · Unread post by **Anroth** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:10 pm

Dysklyver wrote:
Kumioko wrote:Well according to my spies he got a job working for Twitter and will be in charge of their Live Video/Periscope safety operations section.
Nice!

I think this is a career advancement, so good on him.

Becoming a dustman would be a career advancement from the WMF...

Somebody time · Unread post by **Somebody time** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:33 pm

Wonder what he has gone to. his Linkedin page went offline.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:44 pm

Somebody time wrote:Wonder what he has gone to. his Linkedin page went offline.

See above, he got a job working at Twitter.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:49 pm

Somebody time wrote:Wonder what he has gone to. his Linkedin page went offline.

Meh, still fine for me, but not up-to-date.

Screenshot_20181215_184510.png

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesryanalexander/

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:51 pm

I suspect that Twitter HQ is much better run than the WMF, so he might regret the move. Any chance that the opportunity might be taken to review some of his actions?

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:01 pm

Poetlister wrote:I suspect that Twitter HQ is much better run than the WMF, so he might regret the move. Any chance that the opportunity might be taken to review some of his actions?

Well maybe we could convince the incoming T&S leader to lift the WMF bans for Kumioko and Graff, but it's more likely that the new leader will be a cardboard cutout of Sasha, and therefore deaf to any input...

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:06 pm

Dysklyver wrote:
Poetlister wrote:I suspect that Twitter HQ is much better run than the WMF, so he might regret the move. Any chance that the opportunity might be taken to review some of his actions?
Well maybe we could convince the incoming T&S leader to lift the WMF bans for Kumioko and Graff, but it's more likely that the new leader will be a cardboard cutout of Sasha, and therefore deaf to any input...

I have a line at the shoe store: "No matter how bad things seem, they can always get worse..."

RfB

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:11 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:
Poetlister wrote:I suspect that Twitter HQ is much better run than the WMF, so he might regret the move. Any chance that the opportunity might be taken to review some of his actions?
Well maybe we could convince the incoming T&S leader to lift the WMF bans for Kumioko and Graff, but it's more likely that the new leader will be a cardboard cutout of Sasha, and therefore deaf to any input...
I have a line at the shoe store: "No matter how bad things seem, they can always get worse..."

RfB

I dunno, a cardboard cutout could be better, and cheaper, than the original version.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:59 pm

Breaking news, replacement to Sasha is not a cardboard cutout.

Meet Jan Eissfeldt

Jan the Man will be a welcome replacement to Sasha, he is German, and says this:

Moin, I'm Jan. In my volunteer capacity, you can find me as Jan eissfeldt. I started contributing to Wikipedia - first and foremost to its German language version - in March 2004 and tend to edit topics related to philosophy of language, logics, macroeconomics, and philosophy of science in English, German or Spanish. However, you may also encounter me working on articles concerning philosophical aspects of the differences between common and civil law; an issue heavily interacting with my preferred academic pet: argumentation theory.

He is an expert on "argumentation theory".

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:07 pm

On further investigation, this is not a Wikipedian, not even core WMF staff, but a "contractor". Anyway, this is the team now:

Jan Eissfeldt. Lead Manager of Trust and Safety (Contractor)
Patrick Earley. Trust and Safety Policy Manager (Contractor)
Kalliope Tsouroupidou. Senior Trust and Safety Specialist (Contractor)

Samuel Guebo. Trust and Safety Specialist (Contractor)
Christel Steigenberger. Trust and Safety Specialist (Contractor)
Tyresia Hargrove. Trust and Safety Specialist
Sydney Poore. Trust and Safety Specialist
Joe Sutherland. Trust and Safety Specialist
Karen Brown. Trust and Safety Specialist

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:58 pm

Dysklyver wrote:On further investigation, this is not a Wikipedian, not even core WMF staff, but a "contractor". Anyway, this is the team now:

Jan Eissfeldt. Lead Manager of Trust and Safety (Contractor)
Patrick Earley. Trust and Safety Policy Manager (Contractor)
Kalliope Tsouroupidou. Senior Trust and Safety Specialist (Contractor)

Samuel Guebo. Trust and Safety Specialist (Contractor)
Christel Steigenberger. Trust and Safety Specialist (Contractor)
Tyresia Hargrove. Trust and Safety Specialist
Sydney Poore. Trust and Safety Specialist
Joe Sutherland. Trust and Safety Specialist
Karen Brown. Trust and Safety Specialist

Well I believe James was an employee and not a contractor but I could be wrong. Does anyone else notice the trend in this list that most of these folks are admins who were hired as part of the admins in need of a job program.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Kumioko wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:On further investigation, this is not a Wikipedian, not even core WMF staff, but a "contractor".
Well I believe James was an employee and not a contractor but I could be wrong. Does anyone else notice the trend in this list that most of these folks are admins who were hired as part of the admins in need of a job program.

Ok bearing that in mind:

Jan Eissfeldt. Not an admin anywhere. 14,000 edits to de-wiki. link
Patrick Earley. En-wiki admin, with 22,000 edits. link
Kalliope Tsouroupidou. Doesn't even have a personal account that I can find, she was trust and safety at the CouchSurfing social networking website.

Samuel Guebo. Not an admin, but 5,000 edits to the French Wikipedia. link
Christel Steigenberger. Not an admin. 19,000 edit to the German Wikipedia. link
Tyresia Hargrove. Probably doesn't know how to edit? Picked up locally to the office and shoehorned into the team. Only three edits ever.
Sydney Poore. Admin on en-wiki and en-wikiquote. 19,000 edits. link
Joe Sutherland. (No comment for legal reasons).
Karen Brown. You all know Fluffernutter (T-C-L) right?

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:52 pm

So it's at least half admin at least if you count james although I do concede there are also some non editors in the group.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:33 pm

Kumioko wrote:Well according to my spies he got a job working for Twitter and will be in charge of their Live Video/Periscope safety operations section.

Periscope's Careers page shows a woman named Hiraa Khan as the current Trust and Safety Manager, so maybe she left (and they're just slow to update these things), or maybe he won't actually be in charge, or who knows. Hiraa Khan hasn't tweeted much during the past year, and since she is (or was) a Twitter employee that could mean she's been on her way out, if not out of there already. I also checked who Mr. Alexander is following on Twitter and @PeriscopeCo is on his list, FWIW.

GorillaWarfare · Unread post by **GorillaWarfare** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:03 am

Midsize Jake wrote:
Kumioko wrote:Well according to my spies he got a job working for Twitter and will be in charge of their Live Video/Periscope safety operations section.
Periscope's Careers page shows a woman named Hiraa Khan as the current Trust and Safety Manager, so maybe she left (and they're just slow to update these things), or maybe he won't actually be in charge, or who knows. Hiraa Khan hasn't tweeted much during the past year, and since she is (or was) a Twitter employee that could mean she's been on her way out, if not out of there already. I also checked who Mr. Alexander is following on Twitter and @PeriscopeCo is on his list, FWIW.

I suspect if I worked in trust and safety at Twitter I wouldn't tweet much either

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:13 am

I bet he never thought that following Donald Trump on Twitter would be a required part of his job...lol

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:27 am

Dysklyver wrote:Breaking news, replacement to Sasha is not a cardboard cutout.

Meet Jan Eissfeldt

Jan the Man will be a welcome replacement to Sasha, he is German, and says this:

Moin, I'm Jan. In my volunteer capacity, you can find me as Jan eissfeldt. I started contributing to Wikipedia - first and foremost to its German language version - in March 2004 and tend to edit topics related to philosophy of language, logics, macroeconomics, and philosophy of science in English, German or Spanish. However, you may also encounter me working on articles concerning philosophical aspects of the differences between common and civil law; an issue heavily interacting with my preferred academic pet: argumentation theory.
He is an expert on "argumentation theory".

That's all they need is a bit more of the Germanic mentality injected into the position of Lord High Inquisitioner of the Friendly Space. Fram and Sandstein will be delighted...

Like I say, things can always get worse — and I bet they will.

RfB

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:49 am

I don't really know much about this Jan fellow but he has worked for the WMF for a while now. I guess it's possible it could get worse but I can't see how. James was a lousy admin and he was even worse as a WMF employee. Maybe now that Jan is in the lead the team will actually be able to develop and follow a plan and get some of the work done to actually improve the culture rather than enable the worst abusers because they are admins.

SixOClock · Unread post by **SixOClock** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:35 am

Midsize Jake wrote:Also, I accept that naming the thread "-1" is clever, and don't get me wrong, I like cleverness, but it seems like we're doing our readers a disservice by engaging in what could easily be seen as near-obscurantism, and of the cryptic variety at that.

Howzabout something like "James Alexander: Should he allow door to hit him on way out?" or "James Alexander's daring escape from soul-crushing WMF wage slavery"...? Or maybe "James Alexander to pursue exciting new fry-cook opportunities"?

Someone renamed.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:37 am

Kumioko wrote:I don't really know much about this Jan fellow but he has worked for the WMF for a while now. I guess it's possible it could get worse but I can't see how. James was a lousy admin and he was even worse as a WMF employee. Maybe now that Jan is in the lead the team will actually be able to develop and follow a plan and get some of the work done to actually improve the culture rather than enable the worst abusers because they are admins.

Jan joined the WMF right after leaving education, where he got a BA in social sciences and a masters in argumentation theory. He is listed as a contractor, but I currently believe that just means he works for WMDE, not the WMF directly. Basically there is no doubt he is qualified.

However as usual we are missing something. We look at this nine-person team of trust and safety staff, probably earning a million dollars a year between them, and we think they are there to administer sanframbans.

The WMF are not (contrary to popular belief) complete morons, trust and safety does something else too to justify their pay package. They:

* Deal with all the reports to the emergency email
* Permanently delete all the child pornography
* Deal with identification for advanced user rights
* Administer global and event bans
* Internal support, to the stewards and others
* Legal support, dealing with frontline legal issues
* Liaison between the WMF staff and functionaries

So the new leader of this team probably won't even see what we are talking about here, being busy with other work.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:43 pm

Dysklyver wrote:* * *We look at this nine-person team of trust and safety staff, probably earning a million dollars a year between them, and we think they are there to administer sanframbans.

The WMF are not (contrary to popular belief) complete morons, trust and safety does something else too to justify their pay package. They:

* Deal with all the reports to the emergency email
* Permanently delete all the child pornography
* Deal with identification for advanced user rights
* Administer global and event bans
* Internal support, to the stewards and others
* Legal support, dealing with frontline legal issues
* Liaison between the WMF staff and functionaries

So the new leader of this team probably won't even see what we are talking about here, being busy with other work.

You said NINE FUCKING PEOPLE and you said the big job is to "deal with the emergency email, run a delete button, look at photocopies of drivers' licenses periodically so that the info can be immediately trashed, and posture like bureaucrats" and then you said WORK.

Nice troll.

RfB

Somebody time · Unread post by **Somebody time** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:14 pm

Any idea why he left?

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:* * *We look at this nine-person team of trust and safety staff, probably earning a million dollars a year between them, and we think they are there to administer sanframbans.

The WMF are not (contrary to popular belief) complete morons, trust and safety does something else too to justify their pay package. They:

* Deal with all the reports to the emergency email
* Permanently delete all the child pornography
* Deal with identification for advanced user rights
* Administer global and event bans
* Internal support, to the stewards and others
* Legal support, dealing with frontline legal issues
* Liaison between the WMF staff and functionaries

So the new leader of this team probably won't even see what we are talking about here, being busy with other work.
You said NINE FUCKING PEOPLE and you said the big job is to "deal with the emergency email, run a delete button, look at photocopies of drivers' licenses periodically so that the info can be immediately trashed, and posture like bureaucrats" and then you said WORK.

Nice troll.

RfB

Lol, yeah they have a million dollar section doing stuff that shouldn't take more than 2 people.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:39 pm

Somebody time wrote:Any idea why he left?

Twitter pays more and has better perks, he also gets to do his job incognito rather than having every troll on the wiki sending death threats to his home address. I mean it's amazing he didn't move on sooner really.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:10 pm

Dysklyver wrote:
Somebody time wrote:Any idea why he left?
Twitter pays more and has better perks, he also gets to do his job incognito rather than having every troll on the wiki sending death threats to his home address. I mean it's amazing he didn't move on sooner really.

I cannot recall a single person who has left the WMF and done better in a more professional environment.

For example, swinging dick, Brandon Harris aka Jorm, now writes software for crappy video slot machines.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:03 pm

Well obviously my opinion is Jaded on the subject of James but IMO he is incompetent and has largely been able to succeed because he was already familiar to some degree with the subject and because others around him carried him through or because he was supported by volunteers in the community and a culture who blindly followed along.

The WMF and Twitter are galaxies different though so he might do fine if he relies on the people in his section.

Lets compare them a little while we are here.

WMF
- Is a Non profit
- Has a massive volunteer community that does the majority of the work
- Has an international culture that creates a lot of drama and conflict
- The concept is that it is to build knowledge and that anyone can edit it
- Vague and contradicting ToS

Twitter is different.
- There is no volunteer community to fall back on and receive support from (in some ways that actually makes his job easier).
- Is for profit rather than non profit
- All tweets are stored forever in a database by the Library of Congress
- There is no rules like IAR complicated the rules
- Much less complicated with less projects with a more focused and specific ToS

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:56 pm

Dysklyver wrote:He is an expert on "argumentation theory".

Sounds like an ideal qualification for dealing with Wikilawyers and Arbcom cases.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:28 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:He is an expert on "argumentation theory".
Sounds like an ideal qualification for dealing with Wikilawyers and Arbcom cases.

He is the perfect man for the job really.

Anroth · Unread post by **Anroth** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:16 am

Vigilant wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:
Somebody time wrote:Any idea why he left?
Twitter pays more and has better perks, he also gets to do his job incognito rather than having every troll on the wiki sending death threats to his home address. I mean it's amazing he didn't move on sooner really.
I cannot recall a single person who has left the WMF and done better in a more professional environment.

For example, swinging dick, Brandon Harris aka Jorm, now writes software for crappy video slot machines.

That's actually quite lucrative if you are a software developer. I have a number of friends who left well paying games industry jobs for the gambling sector. The real draw was QOL improvements though. Lack of crunch and going home to family at sane times etc.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:16 pm

Well like I said before, I don't really care why James left or where he is going but the fact that he quit is probably the single most useful thing he has done to improve Wikipedia and the other WMF projects since he started editing.

MrErnie · Unread post by **MrErnie** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:33 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:
Somebody time wrote:Any idea why he left?
Twitter pays more and has better perks, he also gets to do his job incognito rather than having every troll on the wiki sending death threats to his home address. I mean it's amazing he didn't move on sooner really.
I cannot recall a single person who has left the WMF and done better in a more professional environment.

For example, swinging dick, Brandon Harris aka Jorm, now writes software for crappy video slot machines.

How does he have time for any work between all that babysitting of gamergate and gender topics and trolling the noticeboard reports?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:24 pm

Anroth wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:
Somebody time wrote:Any idea why he left?
Twitter pays more and has better perks, he also gets to do his job incognito rather than having every troll on the wiki sending death threats to his home address. I mean it's amazing he didn't move on sooner really.
I cannot recall a single person who has left the WMF and done better in a more professional environment.

For example, swinging dick, Brandon Harris aka Jorm, now writes software for crappy video slot machines.
That's actually quite lucrative if you are a software developer. I have a number of friends who left well paying games industry jobs for the gambling sector. The real draw was QOL improvements though. Lack of crunch and going home to family at sane times etc.

That's a fair point for the average Joe, but, if you remember, Jorm was all about how he was an intellectual giant and physical badass.

I been thinkin'
Whiskey and steel wool
'If you suggest I am a racist, I will have fisticuffs' bullshit

He was a blowhard dipshit whose technical skills couldn't cash the checks his mouth was writing.

His physical prowess was even less supported by his fragile frame.

Taking a part time job teaching the equivalent of DeVry school coding classes and then landing at a company that survives by preying on human weakness is a HUGE fall for someone who fancied himself a software playa'.

P.S. Hey Brandon, you're still a wannabe nazi dipshit and I would like to have fisticuffs with you at your earliest convenience.
Your friend, V.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:51 pm

MrErnie wrote:How does he have time for any work between all that babysitting of gamergate and gender topics and trolling the noticeboard reports?

Busy people always seem to find more time.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:53 pm

Well in terms of his intelligence I can attest that Jorm was an outstanding programmer and he was pretty good at finding good solutions to problems. He was not a very positive and outgoing person though and tended to be abrasive and rub people the wrong way. He was also not a yes man which is what did him in. The WMF doesn't want free thinking people that are willing to have candid discussions to determine the best course of action. They want koolaid drinkers who will not say no, will do what they are told and will defend the negative aspects of the WMF and their projects even when obvious flaws are identified.

I often have called it a culture or a community but I think we can all agree that the most accurate description for them is a cult!

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:36 pm

Kumioko wrote:Well in terms of his intelligence I can attest that Jorm was an outstanding programmer and he was pretty good at finding good solutions to problems. He was not a very positive and outgoing person though and tended to be abrasive and rub people the wrong way.

Unfortunately, people who are intelligent but massively lacking in ability to get on with others are very common on Wikipedia, and indeed on many parts of the Internet. I think that the Internet is a magnet for such people.

I often have called it a culture or a community but I think we can all agree that the most accurate description for them is a cult!

Of course, if a culture is cut short it becomes a cult.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:34 am

Kumioko wrote:Well in terms of his intelligence I can attest that Jorm was an outstanding programmer and he was pretty good at finding good solutions to problems

No.

Wrong on all counts.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:09 pm

Randy from Boise wrote: That's all they need is a bit more of the Germanic mentality injected into the position of Lord High Inquisitioner of the Friendly Space. Fram and Sandstein will be delighted...
RfB

Now you are in Dutch.
Keep it up, and you and I shall have a Dutch-uncle talk