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Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by DanMurphy » Thu May 23, 2013 1:08 am

Back in the mists of time before I understood what was going on I thought there was too much trivial fiction stuff on Wikipedia and that I could help change the culture.

"You're just a hater" screeched the Wikipedia children. "You never write any articles about fictional characters," they said. So I started an article on a fictional character, among the few I thought might be worthy of consideration in an encyclopedia. Jay Gatsby (T-H-L). The article averages about 200,000 hits a month, for obvious reasons.

I have never been a particular fan of The Great Gatsby and hadn't read the book since high school. But it was one of the first characters that came to mind, I took a look, and Wikipedia didn't have an article. So I decided to demonstrate I wasn't a "hater." This was June of 2009. I began the article and made a flurry of edits until I was done with it. I am not particularly proud of this work, at all (I made a few errors I see now.)

But let's take a look, shall we? When I was done with it, the article's lede said:
Jay Gatsby is the titular character of F. Scott Fitzgerald's 1925 novel The Great Gatsby. The character has become an archetype of self-made American men seeking to join high society and the name has become synonymous with successful businessmen with shady pasts in the US.
And continued to a "Character biography:"
James "Jimmy" Gatz, a bright young man from a poor family in North Dakota, despised the imprecations of poverty so much he dropped out of St. Olaf College in Minnesota after only a few weeks because of his shame at the janitorial job he had to take to pay his way. While training in 1917 to join the infantry and fight in World War I he meets and promptly falls in love with the beautiful Daisy, who represents everything he is not... (etc.)
Today, the lede says:
James Gatz (better known as Jay Gatsby) is a title character and the protagonist of F. Scott Fitzgerald's 1925 novel The Great Gatsby. The character has become an archetype of self-made American men seeking to join high society, and the name has become synonymous with successful businessmen with shady pasts in the U.S., dealing with prohibition.
And the "Character biography" section begins:
Seventeen-year-old James Gatz, hailing from rural San Diego, California, where he was born to a poor Jew farming family in 1890, despises the limitations of poverty so much he drops out of Stripclub school. in Minnesota only a few weeks into his first semester. He later explains to narrator Nick Carraway that he couldn't bear working as a janitor to support himself through college any longer... (etc).
Ah, Wikipedia. Always improving. 200,000 reads a month.

It is, of course, not on my watch list. There are more embedded degradations than these obvious ones that have been there for years.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by Smiley » Thu May 23, 2013 1:14 am

Sorry to be a spoilsport Dan, but I couldn't let that "poor Jew" bit stand.

(Though I very nearly left the Stripclub school bit in)

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by DanMurphy » Thu May 23, 2013 1:16 am

SEE!!!! The system WORKS!!!

Just be sure to monitor it 24 7, for free. And you'll have to figure out the much longer-standing errors on your own. Good luck, and God speed. The high school students of America are counting on you.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by Midsize Jake » Thu May 23, 2013 1:17 am

Clearly the article is degraded, and badly at that, but I should also point out that the strip-club school at St. Olaf College is still one of the finest in the nation.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu May 23, 2013 1:17 am

This makes me not want to go look at the articles for books I love.
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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by Smiley » Thu May 23, 2013 1:21 am

DanMurphy wrote:SEE!!!! The system WORKS!!!

Just be sure to monitor it 24 7, for free. And you'll have to figure out the much longer-standing errors on your own. Good luck, and God speed. The high school students of America are counting on you.
No chance! I gave up on the book after one chapter, I don't know the story really, in fact, I had to doublecheck whether the stripclub education was true or not.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by DanMurphy » Thu May 23, 2013 1:22 am

Smiley wrote:
DanMurphy wrote:SEE!!!! The system WORKS!!!

Just be sure to monitor it 24 7, for free. And you'll have to figure out the much longer-standing errors on your own. Good luck, and God speed. The high school students of America are counting on you.
No chance! I gave up on the book after one chapter, I don't know the story really, in fact, I had to doublecheck whether the stripclub education was true or not.
Look, scholars have been arguing for decades whether traditional fan-dancing is a form of stripping or something else. I wouldn't. Even. Go. There.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by DanMurphy » Thu May 23, 2013 1:27 am

And just for fun, here's what the current contributor's list looks like:
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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by Smiley » Thu May 23, 2013 1:33 am

he drops out of college ... only a few weeks into his first semester. He later explains ... he couldn't bear working as a janitor to support himself through college any longer...
OMG That is [i]exactly[/i] what happened to me. Maybe I should give the book another go.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by EricBarbour » Thu May 23, 2013 4:47 am

That was pretty damn obvious vandalism. Sat there for about 8 hours, until Dan pointed it out.
Where's that magical instant vandalism removal we've been told so much about?

Plus: San Diego? He was from North Dakota, dammit. Vandalism, made by the same IP address.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by The Devil's Advocate » Thu May 23, 2013 5:16 am

Plot summary material is a real crap magnet. Since it's a large block of unsourced material where people have to know the story well enough to recognize errors, a lot of shit just accumulates over time as random yahoos of varying literary talents go in and rewrite the whole damn thing time and time again.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by HRIP7 » Fri May 24, 2013 7:23 pm

DanMurphy wrote:Today, the lede says:
James Gatz (better known as Jay Gatsby) is a title character and the protagonist of F. Scott Fitzgerald's 1925 novel The Great Gatsby. The character has become an archetype of self-made American men seeking to join high society, and the name has become synonymous with successful businessmen with shady pasts in the U.S., dealing with prohibition.
And the "Character biography" section begins:
Seventeen-year-old James Gatz, hailing from rural San Diego, California, where he was born to a poor Jew farming family in 1890, despises the limitations of poverty so much he drops out of Stripclub school. in Minnesota only a few weeks into his first semester. He later explains to narrator Nick Carraway that he couldn't bear working as a janitor to support himself through college any longer... (etc).
Ah, Wikipedia. Always improving. 200,000 reads a month.

It is, of course, not on my watch list. There are more embedded degradations than these obvious ones that have been there for years.
Note that, by coincidence, this very passage from the article as it is now is quoted in Mark Bernstein's piece discussed here.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by DanMurphy » Fri May 24, 2013 7:40 pm

He must be a reader. Earlier discussion of Jew tagging and Gay tagging here.

(The Gatsby article remains riddled with errors, of course).

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by HRIP7 » Fri May 24, 2013 7:54 pm

DanMurphy wrote:He must be a reader. Earlier discussion of Jew tagging and Gay tagging here.
Quite possibly.
DanMurphy wrote:(The Gatsby article remains riddled with errors, of course).
All the most recent edits to it have been vandalism or reverts thereof (one of those reverts removing key content). An article in free-fall decline.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by HRIP7 » Fri May 24, 2013 8:24 pm

HRIP7 wrote:
DanMurphy wrote:He must be a reader. Earlier discussion of Jew tagging and Gay tagging here.
Quite possibly.
Actually, on looking closer, the article is dated May 13, so it predates this thread. Not that it matters.

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Re: Jay Gatsby, that poor Jew

Unread post by roger_pearse » Fri May 24, 2013 8:33 pm

DanMurphy wrote:SEE!!!! The system WORKS!!!

Just be sure to monitor it 24 7, for free. And you'll have to figure out the much longer-standing errors on your own. Good luck, and God speed. The high school students of America are counting on you.
Until, that is, someone decides to scream WP:OWN at you, of course. In which case you're just toast.

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