Tamzin RfA

[Vigilant]

Once again, en.wp embraces a zealot.

How many more times does this have to happen?

[Vigilant]

Swarm is an idiot.

Primefac, with respect, it would be much more beneficial to the culture here if we did not just leave it at that. Opposing and refusing to explain yourself when asked is not only a behavior that is specifically articulated as a form of disruptive editing, but in this context it is tantamount to a personal attack; it’s an aggressive, directly negative comment about an editor that the OP is refusing to elaborate on. I mean look at the comments on their talk page. I don’t see how this is anything but blatant trolling. The fact that you won’t even articulate that these types of votes are given zero weight to dissuade such behavior is really disappointing. ~Swarm~ {sting} 23:06, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Swarm should be banned from RfA for competence issues.

[Trismic]

If it turns out that she is not capable of being impartial, someone can take her to arbcom. Based on my experiences with her (including a time where she admitted that her side was wrong), I see little reason to worry. However, I would have opposed her had she not been active in SPI and RM.

When she is ultimately taken to Arbcom, the Arbcom case is going to devolve into exactly the scenario we’re seeing unfold right now.

[Scorpions13256]

If she decides to get involved with arbitration enforcement, a lot of people will challenge her sanctions or blocks.

[Vigilant]

If she decides to get involved with arbitration enforcement, a lot of people will challenge her sanctions or blocks.

And then the professional victim play will come out.

"Oh, they are soo mean... *cries a little*"

[Tamzin, reluctantly]

Love you too, Vigilant. How's life?

[Vigilant]

Love you too, Vigilant. How's life?

My politics are very far left, so this isn't a Trumpy redhat MAGAt getting butthurt.

What you wrote at the RfA should disqualify you from getting the tools.

You know this and I know this and everyone reading this knows this.

Why do you think that statement was appropriate and how on earth can't you see how that would be construed?

[MaryKarrel]

In 2004 Trump flew Tamzin and a sibling to New York by private plane and contributed to a benefit dinner to fund their education.1 2 This is not super relevant to the present debacle but I still find it interesting.

[Tamzin, reluctantly]

Ha, I was literally looking for those articles today! Good find. Can I ask what sent you in that direction?

But yeah, there've been a couple times I've wanted to mention that in all this, if only for some flavor, but my word counts have run long enough as it is and it isn't really relevant. Trump Force One is a pretty good ride, or at least was in 2004. He wasn't on the plane, but I met him very briefly at the dinner; can't recall if we exchanged words at all. I don't know how much he contributed to my college fund; I think he was there more to draw in other donors.

Double or nothing, can you find the pic of me with Dubya a month later?

[Vigilant]

Love you too, Vigilant. How's life?

How about, "It's none of your fucking business who someone voted for."?

Can't you see how your words are going to be used to frame the debate?

Don't you understand that you provide potent ammunition to the other side?

You're a caricature of what the right wing thinks the left is composed of.
You are the strawman dingbat that the right points to to vilify the left.


With friends like these...

[Tamzin, reluctantly]

Y'know, Vigilant, when your first comment in this thread was to call me a shithead, I'm not sure why you feel entitled to a response from me. You're upset. I get that. I have nothing to say in response.

[Tarc]

If she decides to get involved with arbitration enforcement, a lot of people will challenge her sanctions or blocks.

Isn't all of this ultimately a good thing?

"Hasten the day" and all?

[Trismic]

What are the optics of an RfA candidate engaging commentary off-wiki on a badsite?

[Vigilant]

Y'know, Vigilant, when your first comment in this thread was to call me a shithead, I'm not sure why you feel entitled to a response from me. You're upset. I get that. I have nothing to say in response.

I'm not upset.
I call them as I see them.

You were the one who mentioned me by name in your first 'public' post.
Strange that you thought you wouldn't get a response from me...

What did you come here for then?

[Zoloft]

What are the optics of an RfA candidate engaging commentary off-wiki on a badsite?

That horse is kinda dead too. We typically have half the ARBCOM as members.

[ZettaComposer]

If she decides to get involved with arbitration enforcement, a lot of people will challenge her sanctions or blocks.

Isn't all of this ultimately a good thing?

"Hasten the day" and all?

If the Hasten the day crowd wants to find a victory in all this, it’s that RFA reform efforts are taking a big hit. Good luck justifying the process has improved after the string of relatively sraightforward successful RFAs this year or getting people on the fence to run after this insanity.

[Midsize Jake]

Don't you understand that you provide potent ammunition to the other side?

You're a caricature of what the right wing thinks the left is composed of.
You are the strawman dingbat that the right points to to vilify the left.

No offense, but I think you're off by about 25 years or so. The right wing might have thought the left was composed of folks like User:Tamzin back in the 90s, but these days they want everyone to believe the left is comprised of black-clad "antifa" guys in ski masks who are paid by George Soros to eat and/or molest small children.

Someone like User:Tamzin wouldn't scare the base, you see. The base must always be kept in a state of perpetual fear. It's the key to success!

[Captain Occam]

If it turns out that she is not capable of being impartial, someone can take her to arbcom. Based on my experiences with her (including a time where she admitted that her side was wrong), I see little reason to worry. However, I would have opposed her had she not been active in SPI and RM.

I'm right-wing BTW.

Has ArbCom ever taken action against an admin based on bias alone? My experience has been that it requires much more serious abuse of admin tools before ArbCom will consider that. And even in cases where there's a long history of borderline abuse, they still sometimes decline to do anything, as in the arbitration requests discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11593

[Scorpions13256]

Has ArbCom ever taken action against an admin based on bias alone?

You're right. Nobody has been taken to ArbCom for that. I am not sure what I was thinking. I think I meant to say that she could be taken to Arbcom if she were to act in areas where she is [[WP:INVOLVED]]. However, I don't think this will happen.

[Beeblebrox]

What are the optics of an RfA candidate engaging commentary off-wiki on a badsite?

That horse is kinda dead too. We typically have half the ARBCOM as members.

I still take shit for it semi-regularly.

[Beeblebrox]

It's slipped below 80%, 309-80. 19 hours to go.

[Jim]

It's slipped below 80%, 309-80. 19 hours to go.

Well, very unscientifically:
48 hours ago it was 254-18 (permalink...)
That's a change of 55-62

So for 18 hours at the same rate, say 21-23

That gives 330-103 (76.2%)

[Vigilant]

Don't you understand that you provide potent ammunition to the other side?

You're a caricature of what the right wing thinks the left is composed of.
You are the strawman dingbat that the right points to to vilify the left.

No offense, but I think you're off by about 25 years or so. The right wing might have thought the left was composed of folks like User:Tamzin back in the 90s, but these days they want everyone to believe the left is comprised of black-clad "antifa" guys in ski masks who are paid by George Soros to eat and/or molest small children.

Someone like User:Tamzin wouldn't scare the base, you see. The base must always be kept in a state of perpetual fear. It's the key to success!

None taken.

I think you're wrong.
Look at the legislation coming out of red states these days.

[Vigilant]

Let's do a 'greatest hits', shall we.

Brown nosing

Supporting keeping Qworty on en.wp

Tentatively oppose as punitive. I really don't wanna see someone wiki-lynched out of mere spite, no matter how well-placed that spite may be. I don't know much about Qworty's editing history here (I've seen his name tons of times, but never formed anything of an opinion), so if someone can present evidence of abuse in areas other than biographies, I'd consider supporting. But the existing BLPBAN, perhaps along with a formal one-account limitation, enforced by periodic CheckUsers, seems sufficient at the moment. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Harping on someone who exposed a KKK member...
Another winner of a position being taken against existing rules

Back when you evaded our discussion due to your age
Maybe I should have kept on digging
You were problematic back then, as well.
I stand by my appraisal

Filing ARBCOM cases with no evidence

Shilling for Oliver Keyes during his ARBCOM case

@Kiefer.Wolfowitz:, as someone who's read some of the possibly-fake logs in question, your last assertion—"Joking about slapping a woman, leaving her bruised, etc."—is rather disingenuous. Even if those logs can be proven to be true, that's a grossly distorted description of their contents. (And from something you wrote on another page, I can tell we've read the same logs.) Those logs purport to show a conversation that was sexual in nature, but where it's rather clear that there was a preëxisting understanding between him and the female user that it was acceptable to say such things, including the reference to slapping and bruising. Now, I hate IRC sexism as much as the next guy, but there's a difference between harrassment and consensual sexual banter. It may or may not have been inappropriate to have such a discussion in a public channel, but we don't even know that those logs are true; my point is that, even if they are, you're misrepresenting what they say. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 17:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Oliver eventually admitted the logs were real and he said some terrible shit.

Wading into the Fae vs Ottava Rima battle was dumb, even for you.
I opined...

I don't think that "listening to words of wisdom" from PinkAmpersand has much value in this conversation. I'd rather take advice from a randomly selected middle schooler.

Patrolling blocked user's pages for kicks aka trolling

Your entire wiki-career is an embarrassment.
If actual due diligence were done on your RfA, you'd have been so far underwater that you'd have withdrawn and done a hard RtV.

[Tamzin, reluctantly]

Mx. Keyes goes by Os these days, they/them pronouns.

[Vigilant]

Mx. Keyes goes by Os these days, they/them pronouns.

That that's the part you're on about says an awful lot about you.

You're not concerned about the part where you defended someone who fantasized on IRC about punching a hole in a woman's windpipe and watching as she gurgled her last because she annoyed the writer?

Normalizing gender based violence much?

Your judgement continues to be that of a callow twat.

[Parabola]

Your judgement continues to be that of a callow twat.

Jesus christ, go blow it out your ass, you ancient crybaby.

[Parabola]

It's almost fucking comical how you twisted up you got yourself to justify dropping ten thousand words about a bunch of people nobody gives a shit about anymore but who you cannot stop thinking about, because they're your internet enemies. You're clutching the gun, years after the war ended, demanding everyone respect your service in the Posting Wars. More Pyle than Kurtz, but neither cover you in glory. Everyone in the bar just giving you The Smile because hey, he doesn't have a lot of time left. Let him rant about his stories.

But time ticks on, and you can feel the younger generations overtaking you. A usenet badass raging against the dying of his relevance light. But at least have the fucking courtesy to shadowbox your black bile at people on a different website, like you normally do. Anyone who deigns to actually engage with your cantankerous dinosaur ass should be given a fucking medal, and you should treat them appropriately.

[Parabola]

The only pleasure I get from this is knowing that the people you post with barely tolerate you, and I don't think you realize that. This thread was great when it was terminal coping from wpo's little weenie young cons like Ernie, but nothing can stand if its not about you, so you just had to crash the stage and drunkenly rant until everybody paid attention. You ruin every thread I try reading on this website. Just shut the fuck up for once in your miserable life.

[Vigilant]

Your judgement continues to be that of a callow twat.

Jesus christ, go blow it out your ass, you ancient crybaby.

Cry some more.

[Vigilant]

The only pleasure I get from this is knowing that the people you post with barely tolerate you, and I don't think you realize that. This thread was great when it was terminal coping from wpo's little weenie young cons like Ernie, but nothing can stand if its not about you, so you just had to crash the stage and drunkenly rant until everybody paid attention. You ruin every thread I try reading on this website. Just shut the fuck up for once in your miserable life.

You're the one crying about my posts.

Have you tried the "ignore" button?

[Parabola]

You're the one crying about my posts.

Have you tried the "ignore" button?

25,486 posts. May 29th, 2012. That's three thousand, six hundred and twenty four days. Seven posts a day, for just about ten years.

How many birthdays have you spent posting about wikipedia? How many of your loved ones birthdays have you spent posting about wikipedia? How many times have you been in conversation with someone close to you, and about to compare it to one of your Hated Wiki Enemies, but stopped short, realizing that they're normal, and would have no idea what you're talking about?

God save me, have you actually tried explaining the evils of WikiJeremy or UniMaster0341 or XxX_DEREK_XxX to someone, and gotten a weak, patient smile in return, feeling a deep hollow sense of satisfaction that they understand why you dedicate so much of your failing brain to this drama? Do you really watch your favorite shows, and see Timothy Olyphant say his famous "next one's comin faster" line and think "I'm Raylan, but online. I'm the batman of wikipedia."? You don't have to answer that last one, by the way. It can be our secret.

You're such a verbose belligerent to people who don't deserve it, Vigilant, but honestly I think it's because you cut your teeth being here. Screaming at people who won't actually see your posts. You don't actually seem to be able to respond to people in a funny or interesting way. Are you that used to shouting up at a building who can't hear you? You can try doing some of your epic jokes, like "get a real therapist" or "cunt" at me. Hell, maybe you've got some fresh bits about participation trophies, or pronouns in bio, that you've jacked from someone you're convinced is more reactionary than you. Try saying anything funny or informative for once.

[Vigilant]

You didn't answer my question.

You seem unreasonably upset with this relatively mild topic. Care to explain why?

You seem kind of obsessed with me. Like "you sleep with a pillow of me" kind of obsessed.

[Parabola]

No, because unlike you, I have normal human emotions. When I see an old know-nothing gassed up on his own self importance being a piece of shit to someone who doesn't deserve it, I think its nice to step in, and make good posts. One day you'll try it, and I know you won't have much time left to dedicate yourself to actually doing right by people, but I think it'll give the rest of your time online a greater sense of purpose.

But instead, you can't take your own advice, and you'll continue to try and hunt down my real identity, I'm sure. I know you've tried, and I know you've fingered one incorrect person already, which is pretty funny to me. It warms my heart to know that you've dedicated a little bit of your private time to thinking about me. I do regret never returning the favor, but c'est la vie.

You seem kind of obsessed with me. Like "you sleep with a pillow of me" kind of obsessed.

Buddy, only one of us has googled info on the other one. Remember the other time you tried to dramatically reveal that you had looked up where my avatar was from? And then didn't even bother trying the game! Depressing, really.

[Vigilant]

No, because unlike you, I have normal human emotions. When I see an old know-nothing gassed up on his own self importance being a piece of shit to someone who doesn't deserve it, I think its nice to step in, and make good posts. One day you'll try it, and I know you won't have much time left to dedicate yourself to actually doing right by people, but I think it'll give the rest of your time online a greater sense of purpose.

Curbside psych doctor decides what are normal human emotions. OK, kid.

You think that presenting evidence of poor behavior for an RfA candidate on Wikipediocracy is wrong somehow?!

You may be on the wrong website, slick.

I honestly don't give one wet shit about what you think of my posts, but I do find your obsession with me fairly funny.
Keep tilting at that windmill.

[Vigilant]

That's not very friendly and welcoming...

Login attempts from new devices against opposition voters

[Bezdomni]

to the dark side Tamzin. We had all the best cookies!

ed. question based on a misreading removed...

I see that both MastCell and Ms. Warfare have popped up at RfA to support your candidacy. Perhaps Mr. Warfare will come back from retirement to do so? You seem to have quite the Atlantic network.

[Vigilant]

More terrible judgement

[Tarc]

Mx. Keyes goes by Os these days, they/them pronouns.

Y'know, V. can be pretty pointed in his criticism...and I still have the DMs saved where he's literally said the same thing to me regarding being too much of a beacon/fodder for right-wing caricature...but that really was a bit of a dick move.

You didn't care about Keyes' preferred pronouns, you cared that someone you were arguing with was "wrong", and you needed to show them they were "wrong". There's a canyon-sized difference between someone mentioning a person in the course of a discussion and simply referring to them as the last gender they were known by...and some twat like Boebert or Nick Fuentes who purposely misgenders in an attempt to denigrate.

You do all of progressivism a disservice by lumping the two together. Grow the fuck up.

But also, I hope your RfA passes. Anything you touch with the admin tools will be questioned and challenged, which will only enflame the Wikipedia denizens.

[Captain Occam]

It's slipped below 80%, 309-80. 19 hours to go.

It's now down to 78.5%.

When the support for a RFA is trending steadily downward, as it is in this case, is there any precedent for the bureaucrats leaving the discussion open longer than usual to see whether that trend continues?

[Charliebware]

More terrible judgement

Can we focus on things she's said since at least after graduating high school?

[Bezdomni]

You didn't care about Keyes' preferred pronouns, [...]

I'm not so sure. While her primary interests in mainspace are war, explosions, terrorism, assassinations, and the like, she does seem to have an interest in transgender issues as well. (§, §)

Disclosure: since she has a COI concerning Trump -- who helped raise funds for her education apparently (see above) -- I went back to have a look at her contributions related to her benefactor. (§)

But also, I hope your RfA passes. Anything you touch with the admin tools will be questioned and challenged, which will only enflame the Wikipedia denizens.

This too shall pass.

admin checklist...

• White?
• Privilege?
• Male?

[Lankai]

Primefac, with respect, it would be much more beneficial to the culture here if we did not just leave it at that. Opposing and refusing to explain yourself when asked is not only a behavior that is specifically articulated as a form of disruptive editing, but in this context it is tantamount to a personal attack; it’s an aggressive, directly negative comment about an editor that the OP is refusing to elaborate on. I mean look at the comments on their talk page. I don’t see how this is anything but blatant trolling. The fact that you won’t even articulate that these types of votes are given zero weight to dissuade such behavior is really disappointing. ~Swarm~ {sting} 23:06, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I always had the impression that Swarm likes to pick up a fight with just anybody by providing a grossly one-sided summary of the case in the question.

[Vigilant]

More terrible judgement

Can we focus on things she's said since at least after graduating high school?

There's a time limit now on bringing up stupid shit an RfA candidate wrote or that's just for certain people?

Is there something that makes this person special that they should receive such singular treatment?

[Vigilant]

Is there a record on en.wp of all the candidates someone has nominated for RfA?

[Charliebware]

More terrible judgement

Can we focus on things she's said since at least after graduating high school?

There's a time limit now on bringing up stupid shit an RfA candidate wrote or that's just for certain people?

Is there something that makes this person special that they should receive such singular treatment?

She was literally a child ten years ago. But I do support referencing any and all past behavior to show continuing patterns, regardless of age.

[Beeblebrox]

anyhoo, nine hours to go, still hovering above the discretionary range at 319-88, 78%. That's certainly a big surge of opposes from the mere 3 that were there a few days ago, but it looks like the mass influx of opposers (how'd they all show up at once like that?) has tapered off and we're down to the obvious socks and trolls.

It's a real nail-biter.

[egg]

Anyone who wants to be an admin on Wikipedia is going to be a little nutty. Imagine wanting to moderate this place... You'd have to be certifiably insane!


Don't be surprised if some posts disappear. Maybe some posters, too...

[Trismic]

anyhoo, nine hours to go, still hovering above the discretionary range at 319-88, 78%. That's certainly a big surge of opposes from the mere 3 that were there a few days ago, but it looks like the mass influx of opposers (how'd they all show up at once like that?) has tapered off and we're down to the obvious socks and trolls.

It's a real nail-biter.

I wonder if in this case the discretionary range ought to be more discretionary. How many RfAs have had this kind of trajectory? Besides, there has already been some commentary RE reaffirmations hinting that some are anticipating an ultimate crat chat. It’s not a raw vote. It’s about consensus.

[Beeblebrox]

anyhoo, nine hours to go, still hovering above the discretionary range at 319-88, 78%. That's certainly a big surge of opposes from the mere 3 that were there a few days ago, but it looks like the mass influx of opposers (how'd they all show up at once like that?) has tapered off and we're down to the obvious socks and trolls.

It's a real nail-biter.

I wonder if in this case the discretionary range ought to be more discretionary. How many RfAs have had this kind of trajectory? Besides, there has already been some commentary RE reaffirmations hinting that some are anticipating an ultimate crat chat. It’s not a raw vote. It’s about consensus.

It is and it isn't. The discretionary range developed in such a way that in almost all cases it is in fact a straight numerical vote. Crats aren't really empowered to just decide on their own to change the boundaries of it. At least that's my read. The late surge of opposes may bring the "exceptional circumstances" clause into play.