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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:59 am

Seeing as y'all can't take a hint...

I'm asking for a w[a|o]ndering Arb to put things right for poor old Shiny.

He is completely uninvloved. There is no connection between Dark Clouds of Joy and Darkness Shines, barring a shared concern for BLPs and the word Dark.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:21 am

Also, since you're lurking Beebleborx & BigAppleBradley, you ought to block Floq & Yamla and unblock Darkness Shines.

Darkness is worth ten of you; few people care more about BLPs. You won't do the right thing of course, and that is why we will continue to mock you until the heat death of the universe.

I've started a thread on the relevant dramaboard: here

Edit: aaannd reverted by a moron

Edit: And unreverted by someone with great taste in music, hurrah!

Edit: aaaand un-unreverted by a moron again, sigh....

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Beeblebrox » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:59 am

Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:21 am
Also, since you're lurking Beebleborxs & BigAppleBradley, you ought to block Floq & Yamla and unblock Darkness Shines.
I'm standing for re-election right now, it would be wildly inappropriate for me to involve my admin or functionary tools in this affair.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:04 am

As I keep saying, Dark Clouds of Joy is me, and you know very well that I am not Darkness Shines.

I'm glad that the stereotype of Wikipedia administrators as pompous, sanctimonious, power-drunk jobsworth arseholes actively hampering any improvements to the website if the requisite forms haven't been filled out in triplicate in exactly the right shade of blue ink between 2.16pm and 2.23pm on a Tuesday has turned out to be a myth.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Beeblebrox » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:13 am

Don't take this wrong way, but I don't think i have the faintest clue who you are or were on-wiki. If you were Smiley~enwiki (T-C-L) I'm afraid the CU data is going to be a bit stale. However, I will pass this on to the committee, I know at least one arb has been double-checking the CU finding.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:15 am

You will be happy to know that I am now switching all my votes to Yes.

Smiley wrote:
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Beeb has entered the ring: Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2021/Candidates/Beeblebrox (T-H-L)
Those of us who love to see sausage factory bosses make absolute fools of themselves on a regular basis will be voting NO repeatedly.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Hemiauchenia » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:16 am

Beeblebrox wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:13 am
Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:04 am
As I keep saying, Dark Clouds of Joy is me, and you know very well that I am not Darkness Shines.
Don't take this wrong way, but I don't think i have the faintest clue who you are or were on-wiki. If you were Smiley~enwiki (T-C-L) I'm afraid the CU data is going to be a bit stale. However, I will pass this on to the committee, I know at least one arb has been double-checking the CU finding.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:37 am

Ira, you're not a gibbering idiot; a mandarin maybe; but surely no fool...

Could you please remove the sockpuppet tag from Darkness Shines' account? You don't have to take my word for it, although it would be nice if you did; there is absolutely no evidence for Yamla's accusation of sockpuppetry.


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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by No Ledge » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:53 am

Would it be helpful if you publicly revealed Dark Clouds of Joy data that the check user tool would show? Presumably you would have no way of knowing that if it wasn't you.

Presumably the other user has different check user data; but the assumption that each of you could have proxy data making the data inconclusive might require both you and the person you apparently joe-jobbed to reveal your true identities to verify you're different people.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:59 am

No Ledge wrote:
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Would it be helpful if you publicly revealed Dark Clouds of Joy data that the check user tool would show? Presumably you would have no way of knowing that if it wasn't you.
Good thinking, Batman!

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

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Windows 10? That's sad.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:10 am

tarantino wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:09 am
Windows 10? That's sad.
And it hasn't even updated in two years cos this laptop is so knackered.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by No Ledge » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:35 am

Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:59 am
Good thinking, Batman!
I think of you as the father of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources (T-H-L) because of your request for comment on the Daily Mail.

I don't understand why they haven't invoked "DENY" and voided that RfC.

And by extension they should also void that damn so-called "explanatory supplement" to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources guideline.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:39 am

Well, since he couldn't even be bothered to reply, I've banned Newyorkbrad.




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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:43 am

"Let that be a lesson to the rest of you... nuts"


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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by No Ledge » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:53 am

Damn! global moderators here can ban people

Can we get Jimmy (Carter) or someone to broker a deal for a mutual revert of bans?
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:58 am

Still no help for Darkness Shines.


Imma be startin' decimation proceedings if this is ain't put right soon.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:09 am

Newyorkbrad seems to have found himself a nice new home.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by turnedworm » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:31 am

I'm amazed how quickly forum trust can go downhill.

A shame, really.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:48 am

turnedworm wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:31 am
I'm amazed how quickly forum trust can go downhill.

A shame, really.
I'm literally pleading with you, Worm/Dave/Mr Wikipedia Arbitrator, or any other admin watching.... sort this out.

One buttonclick on this page: User:Darkness Shines: Revision history

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:19 am

Haha!

Now they're deleting all my scrupulously researched and well-written articles because that is the most logical response.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by turnedworm » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:54 am

Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:48 am
I'm literally pleading with you, Worm/Dave/Mr Wikipedia Arbitrator, or any other admin watching.... sort this out.

One buttonclick on this page: User:Darkness Shines: Revision history
Yeah, no.

For so many reasons that should be obvious to you, though they boil down to - I'm in the same election, I don't respond well to individuals attempting to coerce actions on Wikipedia with threats and bans on a criticism site.

And then there's the reasons that aren't obvious to you. I don't play whack a mole, I don't get involved in the continuous sock hunting, I've got far better things to do with my time.

You caused this mess Smiley, by socking in the first place so blatantly in the first place. If you want someone to look at a block - you can use the myriad of routes to sort it - you've been around long enough to know them.

I don't participate here often, so I don't think you'll all miss me, but to be clear, I don't intend on participating here for the foreseeable.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:58 am

No. Not coersion.
Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:48 am
I'm literally pleading with you, Dave...

I have tried both on here and on Wikipedia everything possible to sort this mess out. Mess that was in fact caused by Bbb23, Floquenbeam, and Yamla's paranoid overreaction.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by SoWhy » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:16 am

TNT wrote:
Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:33 pm
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:53 pm
At least, there are sufficient candidates now that people actually have a choice and maybe there will be some more as the deadline approaches. I really feared I would have to run again just to have more viable candidates than seats to fill :XD
SoWhy not run anyway?
Because ArbCom is a hell of a timesink and I can honestly not guarantee I will have enough time to dedicate. Seemed unfair to run just to stroke my ego to keep the hat

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Guerillero » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:07 am

turnedworm wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:54 am
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:48 am
I'm literally pleading with you, Worm/Dave/Mr Wikipedia Arbitrator, or any other admin watching.... sort this out.

One buttonclick on this page: User:Darkness Shines: Revision history
Yeah, no.

For so many reasons that should be obvious to you, though they boil down to - I'm in the same election, I don't respond well to individuals attempting to coerce actions on Wikipedia with threats and bans on a criticism site.

And then there's the reasons that aren't obvious to you. I don't play whack a mole, I don't get involved in the continuous sock hunting, I've got far better things to do with my time.

You caused this mess Smiley, by socking in the first place so blatantly in the first place. If you want someone to look at a block - you can use the myriad of routes to sort it - you've been around long enough to know them.

I don't participate here often, so I don't think you'll all miss me, but to be clear, I don't intend on participating here for the foreseeable.
I feel similarly

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:23 am

turnedworm wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:54 am
I don't get involved in the continuous sock hunting, I've got far better things to do with my time.
What, like serve on a Committee responsible for dealing with joe-jobbers and sockpuppets?

Eostrix?
Flyer?
Alahverdian?

This response is symptomatic of the terminal incuriosity, disregard for privacy, and cack-handed lethargy which besets ArbCom.

One fucking click!

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:48 am

Moderator's note:

Dark Clouds of Joy, who is not anonymous, has upset various criminals and at least one multibillion-dollar government-backed propaganda operation in his quest to improve Wikipedia.

Darkness Shines, who is not anonymous but wants to be, appears to have upset most of the Indian subcontinent in his quest to improve Wikipedia.

If you are not concerned that the anonymous Yamla thoughtlessly and incorrectly linked these two editors in a public space, you should probably not participate on Wikipediocracy.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Ryuichi » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:12 am

Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:48 am
Moderator's note:

Dark Clouds of Joy, who is not anonymous, has upset various criminals and at least one multibillion-dollar government-backed propaganda operation in his quest to improve Wikipedia.

Darkness Shines, who is not anonymous but wants to be, appears to have upset most of the Indian subcontinent in his quest to improve Wikipedia.

If you are not concerned that the anonymous Yamla thoughtlessly and incorrectly linked these two editors in a public space, you should probably not participate on Wikipediocracy.
Probably should also fix up the link between Darkness Shines & DarknessShines2 (T-C-L), an account which is listed as a sockpuppet, despite preceding him by several months.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by owl be it » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am

What the fuck.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Jim » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:36 am

owl be it wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am
What the fuck.
That's three words.

Did anyone tell you that you can have up to six here before anyone asks if you actually have a meaningful question or any other burning reason to post?

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by owl be it » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:39 am

Jim wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:36 am
owl be it wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am
What the fuck.
That's three words. Did anyone tell you that you can have up to six here before anyone asks if you actually have a question?
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Jim » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:44 am

owl be it wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:39 am
Upon reading the contents of this forum thread, I found myself perplexed; rather than being perplexed by one individual or one post, or even one topic of discussion, however, I find myself perplexed in a general sense. That's why I ended my post with a period! :evilgrin:
Feel free, then, at any point, to ask some sort of direct question about something in the thread that specifically perplexed you.

I'm not sure I'll be holding my breath until then, but we'll see...
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Ryuichi » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:02 pm

Self reverted. Not seeing any "on wiki" reason for the revert.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

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:rotfl:

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Ritchie333 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:53 pm

I thought it was procedure. I recall a bit of an argy-bargy on User:Eric Corbett (T-H-L) over whether his user page should be blanked; in the event, it was left with the block notice at the top. However, there's this essay Wikipedia:Blanking userpages of blocked editors is not necessarily gravedancing (T-H-L) which has been around for ten years and suggests otherwise.

I hadn't read any of this thread so my decision (plus revert) wasn't influenced by it at all. It was seeing the thread on AN which Johnuniq (T-C-L) and Serial Number 54129 (T-C-L) had a mild tussle over and thought "maybe I'll just do this so everyone can have a quiet life".

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Jim » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:59 pm

Ritchie333 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:53 pm
I hadn't read any of this thread so my decision (plus revert) wasn't influenced by it at all. It was seeing the thread on AN which Johnuniq (T-C-L) and Serial Number 54129 (T-C-L) had a mild tussle over and thought "maybe I'll just do this so everyone can have a quiet life".
That sounds like a noble reason to do that.

Do you have any opinion worth mentioning on the rest of the stuff related to the block?

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Ritchie333 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:15 pm

Jim wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:59 pm
Do you have any opinion worth mentioning on the rest of the stuff related to the block?
Assuming that said blocked accounts are all traceable to Smiley / Hillbillyholiday, I do. From distant memory I recall we did a bit of work together on getting Bournemouth (T-H-L) to GA status, and I was sorry to hear that the Daily Mail threw shit at him for "This user hates The Sun and thinks anyone who treats it as a reliable source for a biography of a living person is stark raving mad." which was actually me.

The original trouble appears to have started in July 2019 with rib-tickling socks like There'll always be an EEngland! (T-C-L), presumably created to troll EEng (T-C-L), though I suspect he would actually find it funny. I think blocking the socks with a message like "cut that out and start improving content, for *$%@'s sake" would have been sufficient. However, once you reach that point, it just becomes a blood sport between socks having a laugh and admins ... not having so much of a laugh. I don't think there's any solution to that, and as long as Bbb23 (T-C-L) still has the tools, nothing much is going to change. I did try and change this early in my admin career, but got resistance.

I also noticed when he first got indeffed in 2018 I said "'I'm sick and f***ing tired of removing citations to The Sun (we still have about 80) and The Daily Mail (over 1200) from BLPs. Can I have a second for unblocking Hillbillyholiday (who I see was de-facto banned with thoughtful comments like "let's lose the asshat") or do we have to take it to the WP:Dramaboard first?" so I might not be the most neutral person on this.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Mason » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:42 pm

So, just to make sure I understand this correctly:

Darkness Shines, who was mistakenly accused of operating a particular sock account, must have that incorrect sock tag remain on his page to spite Hillbillyholiday, who has openly admitted to running the sock, even though the two (known) people are unrelated, because if a mistake in a sock identification is acknowledged, the terrorists win.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:38 pm

Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:58 am
No. Not coersion.
Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:48 am
I'm literally pleading with you, Dave...

I have tried both on here and on Wikipedia everything possible to sort this mess out. Mess that was in fact caused by Bbb23, Floquenbeam, and Yamla's paranoid overreaction.
The jokes make it hard to understand what is happening.

Did you really ban NYB?

WTT, I don't believe that Smiley is threatening anybody, as much as being hilarious.

Being threatened with an envelopment that is able to use the GNAA to deliver the coup de grace would discombobulate the strongest among us.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 pm

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Did you really ban NYB?
Yes.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:58 pm

Smiley wrote:
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Moral Hazard wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:38 pm
Did you really ban NYB?
Yes.
Other arbitrators and administrators on Wikipedia can read our threads, and one of them can help DS.

None of us can immediately respond to all requests for help, especially those which we need not have read.

NYB seems to have behaved honorably in all cases and has actively tried to argue against some of the worst ArbCom decisions, and so he deserves some respect.

For Wikipediocracy's own good, we should be seen as treating him with respect and fairness.

The site functions better with active participation of NYB, WTT, Beebs, Guerrillero, GW, & Co., which has been jeopardized by the banning and threats (which seem to be jests).
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by No Ledge » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:09 pm

Smiley wrote:
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Did you really ban NYB?
Yes.
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I suggest you undo that immediately. Whatever moral high ground you had with regard to the possible misidentification of a sock evaporated with that. And the apparent joe-job signup of Brad at another sucky criticism site.

If you don't do that I think Jake should revoke your admin privileges here and unblock NYB himself.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:14 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:58 pm
The site functions better with active participation of NYB, WTT, Beebs, Guerrillero, GW, & Co., which has been jeopardized by the banning and threats (which seem to be jests).
Wikipedia administrators often reflexively ban (the wrong) people without a second thought.

In my experience WTT, Beebs, Guerrillero, GW, & Co have had the good grace to reply when asked simple questions. Newyorkbrad lurked throughout this shitshow and stayed quiet.

We exist to shine the light of scrutiny into the dark crevices of Wikipedia and its related projects; to examine the corruption there, along with its structural flaws; and to inoculate the unsuspecting public against the torrent of misinformation, defamation, and general nonsense that issues forth from one of the world’s most frequently visited websites, the “encyclopedia that anyone can edit.”

Ira was not fully engaged with our mission.

He has been terminated.

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by jf1970 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:26 pm

Who exists to shine the light of scrutiny into the dark crevices of Wikipediocracy and its related projects; to examine the corruption there, along with its structural flaws; and to inoculate the unsuspecting public against the torrent of misinformation, defamation, and general nonsense that issues forth from one of the world’s least frequently visited websites, the “forum that banned Wikipedians can still edit"?

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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by No Ledge » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:35 pm

Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:14 pm
Wikipedia administrators often reflexively ban (the wrong) people without a second thought.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Two lefts (US) or rights (UK) make a U-turn.

i.e. reversion of bad administrative actions.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Smiley » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:38 pm

jf1970 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:26 pm
Who exists to shine the light of scrutiny into the dark crevices of Wikipediocracy and its related projects; to examine the corruption there, along with its structural flaws; and to inoculate the unsuspecting public against the torrent of misinformation, defamation, and general nonsense that issues forth from one of the world’s least frequently visited websites, the “forum that banned Wikipedians can still edit"?
https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

No Ledge wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:35 pm
Smiley wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:14 pm
Wikipedia administrators often reflexively ban (the wrong) people without a second thought.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Sometimes they do.

Anyway, I'm sure that if Mr Matetsky grovels in a sufficiently obsequious manner we will allow him back.
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Re: Arbcom Elections 2021

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:45 pm

I disagree with the decision and the way it was handled.
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