Arbcom Elections 2021

[Hemiauchenia]

Talking of Dunning-Kruger, he's properly upset The Rambling Man (T-C-L)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... Man/Arbcom

A few run-ins with this user, nothing positive to say about them in any sense. Highly limited encyclopedic contributions, no indication of any experience or capability in the role of arbitration. And the "Justice comes first" mantra is deeply disturbing. This is a volunteer project, not the European Court of Human Rights. Completely off-putting.

Imagine that?

What I find hilarious about The Rambling Man's list is that he includes "Good/featured work" as a qualifying parameter, as if that's in any way relevant to the skillset of being on ArbCom.

[Jim]

Can we sew these two in a bag and dump them in a river?

Possibly - but we would need to use non biodegradable thread and be prepared for the inevitable "I'm not dead yet" spasms.

I won't link the video.

[Vigilant]

What I find hilarious about The Rambling Man's list is that he includes "Good/featured work" as a qualifying parameter, as if that's in any way relevant to the skillset of being on ArbCom.

It's the Corbett fig leaf.

"Look at all of this 'content' I produce, so I am worth more than you, regardless of my continual assholery."

[Jim]

What I find hilarious about The Rambling Man's list is that he includes "Good/featured work" as a qualifying parameter, as if that's in any way relevant to the skillset of being on ArbCom.

There are 2 things you need to understand about that:

[1] He has some of that "reviewed by my friends" content himself and views membership of that bizarre "clique" as crucial to something or other.

[2] Ok, I was mistaken - there's only one thing.

[Smiley]

The Rambling Man also edits his employer's pages without disclosing his COI.


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... on=history

[Vigilant]

The Rambling Man also edits his employer's pages without disclosing his COI.


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... on=history

At least he's not an admin.

[Darkness-Shines]

Still no help for Darkness Shines.


Imma be startin' decimation proceedings if this is ain't put right soon.

I'd vote for anyone who ran on a platform of unblocking DS.

Thanks BK, suspect you'd be the only vote for that particular candidate though.

[MrErnie]

Odd to see "a few run ins" as how TRM describes the relationship with Banedon, given Banedon's role in the TRM arb case a few years back. I mean just take a look at the evidence he provided.

Ultimately then this case is about the so-called Malleus defense

There are some absolute gems in the statements for that case, but I like this one a lot:

Removing those editors from DYK who lack the necessary skills or patience to thoroughly check the one line that will appear on the main page is almost impossible (I tried it in the past with LauraHale andd recently with LavaBaron, and should try it with Cwmhiraeth in all fairness), although some have voluntarily left DYK for the laughing stock that GA is at the moment (Nvchar is a typical example).

(emphasis added).

[Smiley]

Thanks BK, suspect you'd be the only vote for that particular candidate though.

I see someone has stepped into to clarify matters... Sharknɘss Dinɘs (T-C-L)

edit - lolshark instabanninated

[Bezdomni]

I think that may be the longest wall o brad I've ever seen posted on WPO. My compliments to the new management.

[Vigilant]

Odd to see "a few run ins" as how TRM describes the relationship with Banedon, given Banedon's role in the TRM arb case a few years back. I mean just take a look at the evidence he provided.

Ultimately then this case is about the so-called Malleus defense

There are some absolute gems in the statements for that case, but I like this one a lot:

Removing those editors from DYK who lack the necessary skills or patience to thoroughly check the one line that will appear on the main page is almost impossible (I tried it in the past with LauraHale andd recently with LavaBaron, and should try it with Cwmhiraeth in all fairness), although some have voluntarily left DYK for the laughing stock that GA is at the moment (Nvchar is a typical example).

(emphasis added).

Fram (talk) 12:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

It's a shame Fram didn't try to alert ARBCOM to the ongoing disruption at DYK prior to his SanFranBanning and subsequent ARBCOM case where ARBCOM removed his admin bit for not playing nice with Laura Hale.....................

If only ARBCOM could have run a search on prior cases.............................................................

[No Ledge]

Thanks BK, suspect you'd be the only vote for that particular candidate though.

Actually that was Darkness' second post to this forum.

Welcome back, long time no see.

Right. Arbcom is ostensibly supposed to be a neutral, impartial body. So, campaigning on a platform of unblocking a particular user isn't a good look. Like telling the US Senate that you would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade before they confirmed you.

[Moral Hazard]

Still no help for Darkness Shines.


Imma be startin' decimation proceedings if this is ain't put right soon.

I'd vote for anyone who ran on a platform of unblocking DS.

Thanks BK, suspect you'd be the only vote for that particular candidate though.

[Moral Hazard]

The last few days, Shark's Lungs in Lempsip (T-H-L) had more harmony than our bleen (T-H-L) and pleasant land did.

[iii]

The latter, yes. I never really saw any of the other stuff, so can't comment on it. I was responding to iii's comment about "confusion" by explaining why I hadn't been similarly confused, but in the process I confused you...

All this is . Does DarknessShines2 = Darkness Shines? I am now the one confused.

[Beeblebrox]

The latter, yes. I never really saw any of the other stuff, so can't comment on it. I was responding to iii's comment about "confusion" by explaining why I hadn't been similarly confused, but in the process I confused you...

All this is . Does DarknessShines2 = Darkness Shines? I am now the one confused.

The Long Watch (T-C-L) is tagged as a sock of both of them. I don't get it either.

[Darkness-Shines]

I requested my real name be removed, it wasn't they just moved it to DS2.

[Beeblebrox]

Ok, I'm going to admit something here: I read all of the election guides, every year. This years lot .... is not great, and it's not as if standards are high in this area. . With barely four days to go before voting begins, a good number of them aren't even half finished. I admit I don't have a real solid impression of some of the candidates myself, but I'm also not putting myself forward as an expert on the subject. Of course it's always the case that some of the guides are written through a very narrow lens, based on answers to one specific question, or things like that. It's a pretty lazy way to construct a guide. (begging the question of why I bother reading them all every year when anyway)

I feel like we're in for a low-turnout election. Interest just seems a bit off this year. Although we only took a few cases, I feel like it was not an uneventful year for the committee on the whole. For me personally, making case workshops optional is kind of huge, although we've not had a lot of opportunity to see how it actually works in practice.

[Jim]

All this is . Does DarknessShines2 = Darkness Shines? I am now the one confused.

The Long Watch (T-C-L) is tagged as a sock of both of them. I don't get it either.

Honestly, now I look, I think that makes at least 3 of us.

I requested my real name be removed, it wasn't they just moved it to DS2.

So, for those of us struggling to keep up -
Does DarknessShines2 = Darkness Shines (= the real name you asked to be removed)?

Thanks BK, suspect you'd be the only vote for that particular candidate though.

Well I agreed with BK at that point (but now I think I'm as confused as iii)

[ArmasRebane]

What I find hilarious about The Rambling Man's list is that he includes "Good/featured work" as a qualifying parameter, as if that's in any way relevant to the skillset of being on ArbCom.

Eh, I think it's a valid criteria to have, just as it is for RfAs. You want people in positions of power to actually understand what it takes to produce what the encyclopedia should be about. If that's your only benchmark, yes, it's a bad one.

I suppose it can be taken to the extremes of "well this person writes good articles, so they can never be sanctioned" a la Corbett and the like, but "I'd like people on the committee to not just be policy wonks or living on the drama boards" seems reasonable.

Banedon I think is a case of someone who is absolutely right about some particulars but misses the forest for the trees. Trying to make ArbCom into a more bureaucratic quasi-national court would not actually improve the things ArbCom is bad at.

I feel like we're in for a low-turnout election. Interest just seems a bit off this year.

It does seem quieter than usual.

A lot of the 'pedia in general doesn't much care about ArbCom, and as its jobs have trended away from big cases I think that's correlated with less interest.

Even something like Framgate didn't seem to make a huge wave in the editing body—the 2019 elections had the lowest number of voters in the past four years.

[jf1970]

I feel like we're in for a low-turnout election. Interest just seems a bit off this year.

UCoC is coming, next year's committee will be just an intermediary appeals court.

[Smiley]

UCoC is coming...

... the geese are getting fat
Please to put a penny in the old Arb's hat
If you haven't got a penny, a ha'penny will do
If you haven't got a ha'penny, then God bless you!

[Moral Hazard]

[TNT]

Ok, I'm going to admit something here: I read all of the election guides, every year. This years lot .... is not great, and it's not as if standards are high in this area.

Eh, mine was going to be just the best anagrams from the candidates' usernames but then I got bored

[Vigilant]

I wrote mine in Klingon.

In video form.

[AndyTheGrump]

AndyTheGrump's ArbCom voting guide:

Vote for Beeblebrox. Not necessarily because he is good at the job, but because voting for someone you were canvassed to on Wikipediocracy is a good way to piss people off.

Don't vote for Banedon, since LARPing with a gown, gavel and 18th-century wig isn't compatible with the objectives of an online encyclopaedia.

As for choosing between the remainder of the candidates, I recommend a dartboard. If you've ever seen me play darts, you'll understand why it is my preferred random-number generator.

[Bezdomni]

Were I voting...
I would vote against Beeblebrox (again), Guerillero, and Opabinia.
I would vote for Banedon and several write-in candidates.

I will not, however, be voting.

[Moral Hazard]

Strong Support: Worm That Turned (T-C-L), Beeblebrox (T-C-L)

Support: Guerillero (T-C-L), Opabinia regalis (T-C-L)

Weak oppose: Thryduulf (T-C-L), an obnoxious prick as a clerk years ago and terrible judgment and horrific friends on Commons, but I do not recall anything unusually horrific since...

Oppose: Wugapodes (T-C-L) ("too much WMF" according to Ealdgyth (T-C-L)'s voting guide),

Strong Oppose: Banedon (T-C-L)

[Vigilant]

Got some typos in Banedon and Guerillero

I'd vote for Beebs because he can actually have a conversation and listen to opposing viewpoints and it would drive Crow mad.

I'd vote for Worm that Turned for the same reason and for his coming around on WP:FRAM.

I'd vote for Opabinia because they seem the most sane and empathetic of the group.



Thryduulf aka Chris McKenna can go eat a dick. He was all over commons with Fae and Mattbuck and other weird sexual fetishists. He should be shown the door. There's so much "ick" factor here.

Banedon is dumb. Just dumb. Not Risker dumb, worse.


The rest are 'whatever'.



I'd write in Raystorm just to keep my HTD membership current.

[Ming]

Thryduulf aka Chris McKenna can go eat a dick. He was all over commons with Fae and Mattbuck and other weird sexual fetishists. He should be shown the door. There's so much "ick" factor here.

Ming will probably vote for others just to keep Thryduulf off.

[Vigilant]

Thryduulf aka Chris McKenna can go eat a dick. He was all over commons with Fae and Mattbuck and other weird sexual fetishists. He should be shown the door. There's so much "ick" factor here.

Ming will probably vote for others just to keep Thryduulf off.

Remember when he tried to change the resysoping rules to specifically cornhole Hex to get at WO?

Pepperidge Farms remembers

He's an asshole who uses 'power' on en.wp to meet out revenge.
Elect him at your peril, wikipediots.

[orangepi]

Definitely agree with the "record low turnout" prediction.

Not doing a full guide, but I did publish some votes for the meta-guides on my talk page: "I am publicly supporting 5 candidates in the election. Two are returning arbs - Opabinia regalis and Worm That Turned. The other three are not - Enterprisey, Wugapodes, and Donald Albury."

[Vigilant]

Who can forget Chris McKenna's awesome sense of humor?

Misogynist much?

[Vigilant]

Thryduulf instituting a two way interaction ban between a serial online predator and their victim.

Sure, let's have this "10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag" punk on ARBCOM again...

[Moral Hazard]

Thryduulf (T-C-L) aka Chris McKenna can go eat a dick.

I wrote several voters' guides documenting recent terrible or concerning or stupid behavior by Thryduulf (T-C-L), which perhaps were educational for him.
Thanks for reminding us of his horrible behavior towards Hex and his sexist "jokes".

Most of the terrible behavior happened before 2015.
Has he continued indecent behavior on Commons since 2015, especially in 2020--2021?

[Vigilant]

He was a complete dickhead the last time he was on ARBCOM.

Why does en.wp seem utterly determined to repeat their worst mistakes?

[Moral Hazard]

A friend's relative has Asperger's syndrome, and he used to be obsessed with breast sizes. He thought his comments were getting people to laugh with him. When he realized that people were embarrassed and laughing at him, he stopped.

If he were the Arb in question, then I can imagine his improving his behavior and deserving a bit of compassion, so that we judge him on his recent behavior.

Typically, behavior is Markovian. You can predict somebody's future behavior if you know, e.g., the last 3 year's behavior.

[Vigilant]

I would have to assume that three years is for the neurotypical demographic and is a Gaussian distribution.

I suspect that people with Asperger's/autism/OCD would have a larger mean time to correct and a distribution biased towards to the very high end.

The easiest way to get a core sample on this is to have someone ask him on his ARBCOM candidacy page?

[Giraffe Stapler]

A friend's relative has Asperger's syndrome, and he used to be obsessed with breast sizes. He thought his comments were getting people to laugh with him. When he realized that people were embarrassed and laughing at him, he stopped.

[The ghost of Poetlister tries to type an hilarious joke about breast sizes but his fingers pass right through the keyboard. He weeps.]

[Hemiauchenia]

Littleolive oil (T-C-L) is still very salty about RexxS, talk about a loaded question she asked to Beeblebrox:

Wikipedia is not punitive, and yet I'm afraid that this," hold users of advanced permissions accountable for their actions.", as I saw in arbitrations in the last year is a punitive eye-for-an-eye measure. Instead, if arbitrators are meant to arbitrate difficult situations one would think the simplest remedy for the difficulty would be the most desirable. Yet, that is not what happened for example, in the Rexx case where a drawn out case was not the easiest and most humane remedy. Holding users of advanced permissions accountable is not the stated remit of arbitration however, "Arbitration is the last step in the dispute resolution process; it is a last resort, only to be employed when all else has failed or there is very good cause to believe they will not help. Try other steps first, including discussion between disputants and, where appropriate, mediation. The Arbitration Committee only deals with the most serious, entrenched, or persistent disputes and cases of rule-breaking, where all other reasonable means have failed." is. How do you reconcile ignoring the simplest path with "all other reasonable means have failed"

I think Beeblebrox's response of:

This is kind of a loaded question, in that the way you phrased makes it impossible to answer directly without admitting to wrongdoing. If you'd care to rephrase it in a less leading manner I might be inclined to provide an actual reply.

about sums it up.

[Vigilant]

From her talkpage.

Gerda, thank you for asking. I am doing very well. I find myself busy with my studio and I suppose because Wikipedia has become such a disappoint and heartbreak for me I don't have the same impetus to do much here.
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Littleolive oil (talk) 04:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

"Oh, I feel faint... Fetch my smelling salts..."

Check her contributions.
She came back for the sole purpose of sticking her finger in a candidate's eye.

This is some sackcloth and ashes shit right here.

[ArmasRebane]

Beeb's answer is the right non-engagement, but I feel like I'd try to ask her busy exactly who is supposed to "simply" deal with admin misbehavior if it's not in ArbCom's remit, and then ask why that "simple" process doesn't occur.

[Ealdgyth]

Ok, I'm going to admit something here: I read all of the election guides, every year. ... With barely four days to go before voting begins, a good number of them aren't even half finished.

I'm busy. It'll get done, it always does. I will admit that I'm looking at another year of probably voting for at most 4...

[jack]

On top of everything else wrong with Thryduulf, he doubled down on saying that he would not have recused if Rexxs had asked him not to recuse if he had been an Arb at the time of the case, which almost defeats the point of recusal.

[Vigilant]

On top of everything else wrong with Thryduulf, he doubled down on saying that he would not have recused if Rexxs had asked him not to recuse if he had been an Arb at the time of the case, which almost defeats the point of recusal.

Well, when words mean whatever the hell you want them to mean, then 'recuse' is just a jumble of letters instead of a concept.

[Vigilant]

There goes Bilorv (T-C-L) of Fram bashing signpost fame being pissy at Beeblebrox for daring to post on WO.

Such naked and oblivious hypocrisy.

[Vigilant]

On top of everything else wrong with Thryduulf, he doubled down on saying that he would not have recused if Rexxs had asked him not to recuse if he had been an Arb at the time of the case, which almost defeats the point of recusal.

Fram takes Chris to the fucking woodshed!

Fram´s view

Not that it will really bother you, but the sheer arrogance of your reply here coupled with the tonedeafness in the linked discussion (in both cases not realising or caring how you come across, nor imagining for a second that your position may be less infallible than you pretend it to be) would be enough for me to oppose you as an Arb: the completely wrong approach to recusal in your reply to other questions only makes it clear that it isn´t just an issue where you oppose me that causes concern, but your position or opinions in general. Whether you believe that you would fairly consider a case in which a friend is a party, or whether that friend believes so, both have no bearing on whether you should recuse or not. That you believe otherwise makes you unfit to be an Arb. Fram (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

[Hemiauchenia]

Beeblebrox was just the easiest target for the "RexxS did nothing wrong" crowd to take out their anger on, the decision to desysop RexxS was never Beeblebrox's decision alone, and to pretend that it was is disingenuous. As for Bilorv, they are one of the users that always turn up whenever there is a controversy involving transgender people on the "pro-trans" side, opposite side of the fence to other users like Pyxis Solitary (T-C-L) and Crossroads (T-C-L) who are generally "trans critical". You can see this in the long discussions on the talkpage for Kathleen Stock (T-H-L), which has been a major recent flashpoint.

[Smiley]

other users like Pyxis Solitary (T-C-L) and Crossroads (T-C-L) who are generally "trans critical".

Generally? Those two are there solely to push their Terf agenda.

[Hemiauchenia]

Pyxis also obsessively edits lists of LBGT characters in American media, so that's not her entire purpose, just most of it. I agree about Crossroads though, gender and sexuality appears to almost all of what he is interested in editing about, but there are other predicable topics like Critical race theory (T-H-L) and Cancel culture (T-H-L), that he edits with the exact views that you would expect. He's like a walking, breathing Quillette op-ed.