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WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:28 pm

New Chinese national security law in Hong Kong could limit the privacy of Wikipedia users

The Wikimedia Foundation is extremely concerned about the national security law recently passed in China and implemented in Hong Kong that prohibits a broad range of speech and grants wide-ranging surveillance powers to authorities. This law may have serious implications for protection of the privacy of users on Wikipedia and other projects operated by the Foundation, potentially enabling authorities to request personal user data.
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Zoloft » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:31 pm

Thoughts and best wishes, I'm sure lots of 'concerns.'

That's all.

They're done. Time for another latte and a kale-and-pine-nut salad.

Hey W?F!
  • Do a one-day shutdown to raise awareness.
  • Put a button on every page (on a random basis) where people can get more information.
  • Increase the number of articles documenting the nasty things that the PRC is doing to its people.
  • Use some of the donation money to fund dissident groups to talk in front of large organizations.
  • Lobby Google and Amazon to join in.
Useless lightweights. I'm looking at you, Maher. You have actual experience in that world of influence. Show us if you ever had any talent.

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:31 am

Does the WMF get any money from China? Do they hope that Wikipedia will be unbanned in China?
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Zoloft » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm

Might be time for a blog post.

Wikipedia's inaction on China

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Eric Corbett » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:05 pm

Zoloft wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm
Might be time for a blog post.

Wikipedia's inaction on China
Presumably you mean the the WMF's inaction on China?

I don't see that what China does or doesn't do is any business of Wikipedia's to take any action over.

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:12 pm

Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:05 pm
Zoloft wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm
Might be time for a blog post.

Wikipedia's inaction on China
Presumably you mean the the WMF's inaction on China?

I don't see that what China does or doesn't do is any business of Wikipedia's to take any action over.
Wikipedia as such is not in a position to do anything. It is not a legal entity and has no real means of coming to decisions other than farcical RfCs.
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Eric Corbett » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:34 pm

Wasn't that what I just said?

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:07 am

Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Wasn't that what I just said?
No, you said it wasn't Wikipedia's business. I'm saying that whether or not it is, Wikipedia as such can do nothing,
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Zoloft » Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:53 pm

I at first typed 'WMF' instead of 'Wikipedia,' but although the blog post would be about the WMF, the title would likely be "Wikipedia's inaction on China" for SEO and popular identification.

But go on, it's fun to watch.

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Eric Corbett » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:12 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:07 am
Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Wasn't that what I just said?
No, you said it wasn't Wikipedia's business. I'm saying that whether or not it is, Wikipedia as such can do nothing,
You just make stuff up. What I very clearly said above was "Wikipedia as such is not in a position to do anything."

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Osborne » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:10 pm

Zoloft wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:31 pm
Thoughts and best wishes, I'm sure lots of 'concerns.'

That's all.

They're done. Time for another latte and a kale-and-pine-nut salad.

Hey W?F!
  • Do a one-day shutdown to raise awareness.
  • Put a button on every page (on a random basis) where people can get more information.
  • Increase the number of articles documenting the nasty things that the PRC is doing to its people.
  • Use some of the donation money to fund dissident groups to talk in front of large organizations.
  • Lobby Google and Amazon to join in.
Useless lightweights. I'm looking at you, Maher. You have actual experience in that world of influence. Show us if you ever had any talent.
Exactly.

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:49 pm

Eric Corbett wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:12 pm
Poetlister wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:07 am
Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Wasn't that what I just said?
No, you said it wasn't Wikipedia's business. I'm saying that whether or not it is, Wikipedia as such can do nothing,
You just make stuff up. What I very clearly said above was "Wikipedia as such is not in a position to do anything."
Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:05 pm
Zoloft wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm
Might be time for a blog post.

Wikipedia's inaction on China
Presumably you mean the the WMF's inaction on China?

I don't see that what China does or doesn't do is any business of Wikipedia's to take any action over.
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:49 pm
Eric Corbett wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:12 pm
Poetlister wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:07 am
Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:34 pm
Wasn't that what I just said?
No, you said it wasn't Wikipedia's business. I'm saying that whether or not it is, Wikipedia as such can do nothing,
You just make stuff up. What I very clearly said above was "Wikipedia as such is not in a position to do anything."
Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:05 pm
Zoloft wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm
Might be time for a blog post.

Wikipedia's inaction on China
Presumably you mean the the WMF's inaction on China?

I don't see that what China does or doesn't do is any business of Wikipedia's to take any action over.
Poetlister wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:12 pm
Eric Corbett wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:05 pm
Zoloft wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:24 pm
Might be time for a blog post.

Wikipedia's inaction on China
Presumably you mean the the WMF's inaction on China?

I don't see that what China does or doesn't do is any business of Wikipedia's to take any action over.
Wikipedia as such is not in a position to do anything. It is not a legal entity and has no real means of coming to decisions other than farcical RfCs.
I feel flattered that you claim to have said what in fact I said.
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Eric Corbett » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:53 pm

You seem to be struggling with a temporal distortion. I wish you luck with it.

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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Poetlister » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:51 am

Eric Corbett wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:53 pm
You seem to be struggling with a temporal distortion. I wish you luck with it.
You mean that if you look at the history of the thread, you do not see what I see? That's very worrying. Report it to the mods.
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Re: WMF statement on the new Hong Kong security laws

Unread post by Zoloft » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:46 am

Poetlister wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:51 am
Eric Corbett wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:53 pm
You seem to be struggling with a temporal distortion. I wish you luck with it.
You mean that if you look at the history of the thread, you do not see what I see? That's very worrying. Report it to the mods.
Not to worry.

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