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Gender Desk on hubs: Therein lies the Hub April 18, 2021 ~ genderdesk First it was the Knowledge Engine. Did anyone ever figure out what that was? Now it’s hubs. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Transition/Follow-up_events/Cluster_D Hubs are apparently the hot new...

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Volunteer Marek wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:26 am
Correction - it wasn't Francois Robere, it was Levivich. Same difference. Both Icewhiz buddies.

How negatively do you view Levivich? I've liked what I've read of him, but I could easily be missing subtext or hidden agendas.

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I don't know how involved Sefidari was in the Fram ban, but it's hard not to see something awry there. I don't think she was directly involved with the decision to ban Fram, given the denials that this happened. I think that somehow, T&S and everyone who signed off were trying to appease her or get...

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Was this one of the persons blocked, was there any reason for it other than their political views? https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%E5%B0%A4%E9%87%8C%E7%9A%841994&diff=prev&oldid=67304211 This link works: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%E5%B0%A4%E9%87%8C%E7%9A%841994 ???) He was...

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I believe Genderdesk also thinks the Sefidari Huici angle is going too far as well as saying that Hale's access to WMF cash occasionally is something other volunteers access regularly. Using Genderdesk to buttress this point is like saying "If you doubt Donald Trump's stolen election claims, Ted Cr...

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It's great to read what you have to say. I hope you have time in the coming days to answer a few questions I have. I am also often busy, but I read and comment frequently. On Wikimedia-l it was mentioned that physical danger existed. Can you comment on that? The Hong Kong user group seems to have so...

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I believe Genderdesk also thinks the Sefidari Huici angle is going too far as well as saying that Hale's access to WMF cash occasionally is something other volunteers access regularly.

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Office Actions don't normally go through the board. The CEO rather than the chair of the BOD is responsible for staff in all the orgs I'm familiar with. Trust and Safety wouldn't normally face wrath or be tasked via the chair of the BOD. To explain why Fram was less banned than normal, it makes sens...

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Truly rotten news. When I was nine I was playing with some kids from the neighborhood. One of our local stores had shut down. I suggested we go look in the windows. One of my buddies got one of the windows slightly open, then suggested the rest of us help so he could go inside. I said "no," and told...

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Ok, so what is the chance that T&S, of all the thousands (millions?) of wp-editors, by pure chance , goes after the, eh, adversary of the spouse of the WMF leader? (or "chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees", to be official; see María Sefidari ) About the same chance as being killed b...

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It's hard to know how much Hale knew about Trust and Safety's ideas about possible actions. It may have been that she knew nothing. No. She had a banner on her page telling Fram that he had to leave any enforcement of standards in reference to her copious and execrable articles to Trust and Safety ...

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Self-serving denials aren't great evidence. Maher and Dennis are not disinterested, neutral parties, but parties that had a vested interest in the allegations not being made public, if true. Especially since the denials referenced here were contemporary with them defending a job that they quietly g...

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Maria Sefidari Huici and Laura Hale are now shown, incontrovertibly and by the WMF's own words, to have been at the heart of the Frammageddon and to have baldly lied, at the very least by omission, about their conflict of interest. :popcorn: BOOM! I don't see an alternative course that was open to ...

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We know physical safety of someone(s) has already been placed in danger. I presume this person or people are in mainland China, but it's possible they are not. We know sysops are still empowered on Chinese Wikipedia. We know the unrecognized mainland Chinese user group is still in existence. We know...

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I wonder if this was an alternate account of someone's. At least some of the edits stuck, so not a vandalism-only account (if one grants that the food in question is not bacon though I'd call it bacon).

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Can you imagine what the emails to Trust and Safety must look like coming out of Hong Kong and their allied Wikimedians around the world?

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I hope the account was banned for not declaring its conflict of interest. I'm surprised at the prank because a lot of vegans don't want to call non-meat products by meat names. That's why chick'un and other items are spelled oddly. I think a number of vegans are understandably revolted by anything b...

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That entire exchange has to be read to be believed. I am tempted to copy Kolbe's entire final reply here. Hopefully, readers here will not miss this call for information: Hillbillyholiday, For my doctoral thesis, I would be interested to know more about these wikipedia articles "completely controlle...

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Reasonable people can disagree on whether or not the userbox is offensive. I happen to think it is, but what about "This user is Ukranian and proud of it"? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Ukrainians are a minority (except in the Ukraine). White people collectively are a majority and indee...

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Wow. Didn't expect the hostility. Could be I made a mistake engaging here. I don't want your sympathy whoever you are. "Aw shucks?" What the heck r u talking about dude? I am not looking to argue either. It appears you are and that's fine but that's not my jam. And your opinion that those sites are...

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Neither account for all the facts in evidence. They are an incorrect framing of the case. As such neither are likely to explain what is actually real. Sometimes situations are more complicated than we like to think.

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Wasn't Kevin Gorman's death right around the time he got in trouble via ArbCom? Over enough time with enough disabled editors on Wikipedia and enough ArbCom cases, it stands to reason that these things will eventually sometimes happen. You didn't answer the question. I have laid out a case that exp...

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Trustworthy folk from this site have off-wiki evidence and are pretty convinced, as are several Arbs. I presume it's not the now-banned Wikipediocracy users who are the "pretty convinced" "[t]rustworthy folk from this site." Maybe there shouldn't be a Wikipediocracy blog post on this for the same r...

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Wasn't Kevin Gorman's death right around the time he got in trouble via ArbCom? Over enough time with enough disabled editors on Wikipedia and enough ArbCom cases, it stands to reason that these things will eventually sometimes happen.

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One of the blocked accounts did appeal to us, and alleged that they were part of a "memorial project" aimed at carrying on Flyer's work. I have no inclination to restore the other thread, and I think I can probably speak for the other mods too in that regard... but I also think that even the most s...

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If faking death was a ploy to avoid scrutiny, that was a dumb choice, especially since people immediately invited scrutiny by keeping at Flyer's bugbears. That's not impossible, but it's not the only explanation. What if there is a person or a deceased person and her brother who have been targeted ...

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Opinions differ among the committee members as to Flyer being alive or dead, but it doesn't matter for our purposes. As I said on-wiki, we're never going to know with any degree of certainty and I'd ask mods to please not revive the old thread that was straying into encouraging doxxing and harassme...

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Incompetence and partial expertise without the ability, or perhaps desire, to strictly maintain no connection between accounts is a simple explanation. Technically adept people tend to overlook how hard following strict protocols is for most people. As an alternative explanation, many victims of sta...

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The brother expressed a desire to edit in Flyer's topic area at least twice, including after her alleged death and many years before. I would think that anybody who can set up a VM could easily keep the master separate. At death family members should end up acquiring passwords to old accounts. There...

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I don't think we can assume that these accounts are not the brother who expressed interest in editing in her areas. We very likely know it's sockpuppetry, but not that she's alive.

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He's right. My mother's American cousin legally married a Canadian girl in Pakistan when she was 17 (although she was 18 by the time of the actual wedding ceremony and rukhsati ); she was fine with it. It helps speed up the immigration process so that the girl is able to come to the US by the time ...

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There is a behavior called wiki-stalking which is sometimes dealt with on ANI or at ArbCom. It involves the other person following all your contributions and showing up wherever you are. This is somewhat like what you described, but it's more extreme. I thought you might be interested to find out th...

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Wikipedia is meant to be a radically transparent utopia. In reality, there really are cabals, and it really is who you know. If you go the route of pinging an admin to your own page, be ready for the admin to not be helpful. Sure, they should be, and you may get lucky, but these are game-playing hat...

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Children in England have to start school on or before their fifth birthday, which I think is a bit younger than in the USA. Most primary schools (i.e. for children up to 11) have reception classes for children from their fourth birthday, and some have nurseries (kindergartens) for even younger chil...

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LOL. I've got a dream job interview, was lucky enough to be able to keep up my 2nd job commissions remotely while I take it, and with any luck get to move permanently soon or else establish a good remote job. Thanks Boing Said Zebedee for finally admitting to being the owner of the account that was...

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Though this is off-topic, define "early." Before they start regular school. I don't know about anybody else, but I just assumed it meant his kids had to wake up at 5:00 AM and get through at least 20 pages of Ayn Rand before they were allowed to have breakfast. Isn't it Jimbo who likes Ayn Rand? I'...

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Sanger's homeschooling emphasized early reading. I think he started a business to promote this. Usually child development discussion of that topic, and other intensive early skill teaching, such as teaching toddlers to ski, claims there are other developmental tasks that should not be de-emphasized...

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The LLC itself is a project of the board. The board of the LLC overseeing the project are from Wikimedia Foundation leadership, representing their WMF staff roles: Grant Ingersoll, Chief Technical Officer; Lisa Seitz-Gruwell Chief Advancement Officer; Tony Sebro, Deputy General Counsel; and Lane Bec...

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Sanger's homeschooling emphasized early reading. I think he started a business to promote this. Usually child development discussion of that topic, and other intensive early skill teaching, such as teaching toddlers to ski, claims there are other developmental tasks that should not be de-emphasized ...

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Ignoring that the interviewer is Tucker Carlson on FOX, I thought Sanger presented the problem well. Sure didn't seem this way to me. In a less than five minute interview he: <snip> Talks about how he's been "trying various things" for "over a decade now" to right the wrongs he sees in Wikipedia, n...

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From Wired back in March: Wikipedia Is Finally Asking Big Tech to Pay Up

Agreements with the firms could be reached as soon as June.

I wonder if any agreements have now been reached.

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Ignoring that the interviewer is Tucker Carlson on FOX, I thought Sanger presented the problem well. He mentioned criminal gangs, spies, etc. editing covertly. I'd be interested to see what it's like to use a resource that lets me compare articles across viewpoints, countries, etc.

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Looks like national security involves rounding up children's authors in Hong Kong. https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1418055781828624385 link h/t @bungdan The entire thread's worth reading. https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1418060943108440065 link I wonder how far down the list of whom ...

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it took me a while to read all this but i was sent here by a message when i tried to talk to dragonfly6-7 in the wikipedia help channel today. my name is nick and i used to have the user name skepticanonymous on wikipedia. i dont remember the password to it, and the one that was stored in my laptop...

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it took me a while to read all this but i was sent here by a message when i tried to talk to dragonfly6-7 in the wikipedia help channel today. my name is nick and i used to have the user name skepticanonymous on wikipedia. i dont remember the password to it, and the one that was stored in my laptop...

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Maybe he's worried about some other article — most likely one about a current GQP distraction issue, like Critical race theory — but I'd be a little surprised if this turns out to be part of a significant Fox News/GQP offensive against Wikipedia. What's more, if it were, I think they could do bette...

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Sounds like Trust and Safety aren't even phoning it in.

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jack wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:22 am
I know some of the arbs are early 20s, but I'm pretty sure none of them are teens.

Don't they have to "prove" they're 18 or older by sending in an ID like a driver's license to the WMF?

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William Chan is the Wikipedian I've been worried about, along with his like-minded brothers, ever since he posted on the Wikimedia-l mailing list. Chan's participation in Wikipedia Weekly on Facebook was passed along to me. I don't have Facebook, but it would seem that if anyone from Wikipedia criti...

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…that fake-trans abuser "Captain Eek"… I want to point this bit out, which seems to have been glazed over. So if the hate emails really were all fake, all the “lashing out” wasn’t even genuine. That means you said this horrible thing under the guise of “lashing out”. Honestly? I think that’s irrede...

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