Wikipediocracy

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WP:AN/I can be a nasty place. As per the instructions at the top of the page of it being for "urgent incidents or chronic, intractable behavioral problems", it should be a last resort. Instead, it is often the immediate response to a conflict and the instructions to first try WP:DRV or a discussion...

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"Legacy admin" is like "legacy admission": it carries the impression that the person wouldn't get the bit if they hadn't gotten in when standards were mostly nonexistent. Yeah, so they should be grateful that they received their special powers back when RfA was a rubber-stamping exercise. If they h...

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Creating an unsourced article is probably not that difficult. All you need is an obscure topic, preferably one not well represented on Wikipedia and something that doesn't meet a category for speedy deletion. Do it at a time when NPP isn't very active. Niche BIOs of non-living subjects are an easy ...

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Apparently ToBeFree is recused . So far I have been unable to find a statement to that effect by anyone . 1216076674 Sorry to get sidetracked, but I noticed something strange here. The part of the diff where "#{{user|ToBeFree}}" is moved from the Active section to the Recused section appears in the...

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Or perhaps go with the opposite approach: rename this thread to "A Place Where Kraken Can Crow To His Heart's Content" and then hopefully we won't have to scroll past so many TLDR screeds in the rest of WPO.

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Randy from Boise wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:33 am
It's an easy GNG pass, there should be an article.

Hopefully, in the long run, the article will not suck ass — but that's neither here nor there with respect to an AfD debate.

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Ahh the classic "this article sucks, but hopefully someday it won't" situation.

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I like my comment in the DRV. I'm going to literally repost it here. It goes like this: Yes, I'd agree with that approach. The situation is evolving, so it's a moot point whether the previous AfD was closed according to proper practice (which is what a DRV discussion is limited to). Just let the pe...

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Umm....you can only vote once?!? :applause: Good question! Yes, even if you have a thousand socks, if one of them is blocked then the correct response would be #3 :evilgrin: I’ve probably made more than 10 edits this month, but on average I definitely haven’t, The written style of Wikipedia article...

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For no real reason other than curiosity, here's a little WPO census in case you'd like to participate.

Mods, feel free to close if you think this is silly or counter-productive.

(edited to fix terminology from "banned" to "blocked")

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Yep, all sorted now, thanks.

Do we think that the comments are still worthwhile? These days, the discussion in the thread is much more lively, so maybe it's better to point people towards that?

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I'm genuinely getting the vibes we're starting to see the beginning of a wikipedia controversy for the ages that will make what was uncovered in the initial nihonjoe blogpost look like playground gossip It might be rising to the level where it garners press interest, with a "Mormon infiltration of ...

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Jip Orlando wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:42 pm
How about a supplemental essay on over-categorization called WP:CATCRAP?

Hahaha, great idea.

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Just reporting a problem when trying to comment on the Eric W Jepson post. I entered a name and email address and then it said something like "posting comment" but it didn't appear. Is there a verification email that's lost in the ether perhaps? I checked, there is no comment in any sort of queue. ...

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Just reporting a problem when trying to comment on the Eric W Jepson post. I entered a name and email address and then it said something like "posting comment" but it didn't appear.

Is there a verification email that's lost in the ether perhaps?

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If Wikipedia was serious about the integrity of its articles, then WP:COI would at least be a policy, rather than an optional guideline.

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Timbo's Rule 12. Most vandalism is caused by anonymous IP editors. The only reason IP editing is allowed at all is that it makes vandalism easier to spot. (Feb. 2012) Timbo's Rule 13. Since such a high percentage of anonymous IP editors are vandals, they are all treated like shit. Trying to make se...

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WP:BADSITES An easy way to ignore any issues that are raised at Wikipediocracy. Don't worry that it is a failed proposal and that it doesn't mention Wikipediocracy.

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Or you could make a mainspace article about the topic

. Because then there'd be no consideration whatsoever for the subject's privacy.

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It's impressive how long the AN discussion has become, without a single mention of Wikipediocracy. I wonder if it would be the same if the blog post had instead been an article in the New York Times...

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I think that WP:SELFOUT has some good advice that Nihonjoe should have taken: There are a variety of steps you can take to help protect yourself from this happening.... 8. Don't edit any articles related to your job, home, school... Sadly it is a standard play to ignore WP:COI then cry WP:OUTING onc...

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rnu wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:02 am
ongoing discussion (permanent link)

Without meaning to sidetrack this thread, thanks for posting both the live and permanent links.

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DanMurphy wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:16 am
Too many.

Sorry to hear that...

Do you think that they've been treated fairly by Wikipedia?

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It is sad to see Tamzin hang up the tools, they did a good job. But it's completely understandable, mental health must come first.

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I hate when people weigh in on AfDs with comments indicating the article should be deleted but instead of saying DELETE they say COMMENT or something else. Serial fence sitters are a pain in the ass. There's a tool that tracks your AFD !votes and gives you the percentage that your vote lines up wit...

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Pelican wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:20 am
Funnily enough, providing an email address in the registration form continues to be optional.

Yes, an email address isn't required to register. It's just recommended in case you forget your password.

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Yeah, mainspace IP editing is a lot more problematic than an IP making a post on a noticeboard reporting problems in an article. Indeed, another option for "Yes, except for mainspace" would have been a good idea. Unfortunately the WPO edit timer has run out, so the poll options can't be changed now...

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gentlegnome wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:47 pm
This poll is clearly biased since unregistered users can't vote.

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If someone separates from their partner and RS don't mention it, the simplest thing to do is just remove any mention of it entirely. Oftentimes a person's relationships are trivial biographical material whos excision doesn't really negatively impact the content. Agreed. Many things in life begin wi...

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Looking at the original issue, it never should have happened. A social media post should have been valid enough to update marital status per WP:ABOUTSELF . Technically a divorce by definition involves a "third party", but it should be fine if phrased like "In 2024, $subject posted on social media t...

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Hi. I was wondering what WPO members think about Wikipedia allowing people to edit using their IP address instead of a registered account, so here's a poll. It'd be great if you could also describe your reasoning in a post here. Thanks.

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Many thanks for setting this up, I really appreciate the special effort.

I can confirm that I am now able to erect a poll, and will do so in the next day or two.

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Thanks Midsize Jake and Zoloft, either way works for me. If there are concerns with giving non-admins special powers for polls, it might be worth retracting them once the poll is created.

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rnu wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:40 pm
If you click/tap on "Learn more about this page" you get all the templates including the one for archives.

Thank you. I will take a step down from my soapbox! (but not completely, because that seems like a pretty non-intuitive place to hide those details)

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Randy from Boise wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:49 am
Corbettian

Haha, that's a great adjective.

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Hi. Is it possible to create a poll in a new WPO thread? I'm wondering about an en-wp policy and thought a straw poll of WPO would be interesting.

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Kudos to Mr Silvester for trying to do the right thing by going the extra mile to learn about the BLP noticeboard and post the issue there. Normally, the obvious thing for a non-editor to do would be simply revert the edits. The problem with the article did get fixed, so I think the only issue here ...

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Necro-post incoming... Firstly, I can't see how an encyclopedia has any business including personal details such as relationship status or number of children. It is completely irrelevant to her notability as an author. Anyway, just thought I'd point out the initial edit request to remove the outdate...

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@Giraffe Stapler: maybe add "Lucky Benson" to the thread title? In case one of their friends is Googling the topic and would like to comment here.

Moderator's Note: Done. (Also, only us mods can change thread titles here, FWIW.)

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rnu wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm
Immediately indef (and if applicable desysop) anyone who mentions (or in any way alludes to) an editor's experience (be it edit count, age of account, ...).

You'd get rid of a lot of the abusive editors and admins real quick.

Absolutely. Maybe go for a series of escalating bans though.

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In these troubled times, UK vs US is the quaintest of race wars on en-wp.

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Cheryl wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:34 pm
(impression formed by reading ANI regularly like it was Soap Opera Digest)

I'd be interested to hear who you think is responsible for the failings of that joint. Any regular culprits or is it just fly-by-nighters?

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If you've got an account, there's a gadget you can enable in your preferences called find-archived-section which, when it detects that you've followed a broken link, automatically searches the archives and gives you a link to the archived discussion. This is incredibly useful and I've long thought ...

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Starship Enterprise wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:07 am
% main space stats

Thanks, that's a useful addition.

Hmm, only 5 of 13 are above 50%

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In case anyone's interested, I had a poke around amongst the recent top contributors at AN/I (based on those who had more than 300 edits amongst the latest 50,000 edits by all contributors). I don't hang out AN/I enough to know who the problem children are, so this isn't meant to imply that anyone i...

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This one is more of a minor technical gripe than a serious problem. But why isn't there some form of permalink for topics on talk or discussion pages? Once the topic gets archived, the original link dies and it becomes hard to find. For example: sideshow alert :popcorn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...

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rnu wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:12 pm
Split networks (T-H-L)

Wow, that's next-level impenetrable. There isn't much for the layperson to even work out what the topic is about (before following some links, I'd have guessed mathematics or computer networks)

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Giraffe Stapler wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:15 am
... but they [WMF] have to be working on something - this isn't sustainable for the WMF.

Touché!

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Ron Lybonly wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:53 pm
I wasn’t very clear. They’d be desysopped only. They’d be encouraged to keep editing.

Ahh, thanks for clarifying.

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Idea: If Wikipedia won’t term limit democratically recall admins, consider 6 month sabbaticals combined with a 6 month ban from noticeboards. I think some might come back a bit mellower. This would be for all admins after 5 years. Maybe it could be shorter than 6 months - whatever might break some ...

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Develop a comprehensive exam for admins to take periodically. They’d take them privately as many times as it takes to get a passing score. The point would be continuing education,not be to weed people out. I think this would be a good idea. It shows good faith towards admins, while improving their ...

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