Wikipediocracy

jf1970

I thought it was an interesting essay. It's a three minute read. I agree, Tim. Me too, one of the better mini-essays. But "get together with the other good guys and bring about meaningful reform of a clearly broken system" is easier said than done, and demanding reform won't get them far if nobody ...

jf1970

The situation was that the Arab League sought to exterminate Israel... You mean "prevent" Israel, it didn't exist yet. The effect on the civilian population from that war of choice was the Nakba... Weird how the effect (Nakba) happened before the cause (Arab League's war of choice). ...as if they j...

jf1970

Fram + Kraken = Fraken
Thmazing has a big fraken problem.

jf1970

More admins doesn't solve this problem. The problem is that Wikipedia doesn't manage its volunteers in a way that is intentionally calculated to ensure that the tasks that are needed to actually manage an encyclopedia are done, and so doesn't recruit enough volunteers to do the things that need to ...

jf1970

4 Mar 2024: 461 active admins 4 Mar 2023: 466 active admins 4 Mar 2022: 466 active admins 4 Mar 2021: 501 active admins 4 Mar 2020: 512 active admins -5 active admins since last year. The year it was -35, nobody noticed or cared. Average -10/year over the last 5 years. There is no shortage of admins...

jf1970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Writing_about_yourself,_family,_friends Pure ex-post facto shifting of goal posts... Here's the relevant section as of Jan. 1, 2020 — and you can find five dozen permutations before that... Here's the relevant section as of Jan. 1, 2020: ...

jf1970

Ideally he should be forced to realise his shortcomings and work on them, because he is still clearly causing problems that are easily avoided and which new editors cannot get away with. How does a website force someone to realise his shortcomings and work on them? You tell him he's a wikilawyer. Y...

jf1970

Ideally he should be forced to realise his shortcomings and work on them, because he is still clearly causing problems that are easily avoided and which new editors cannot get away with. But he probably won't. How does a website force someone to realise his shortcomings and work on them? Why would ...

jf1970

If one doesn't understand something, arguing against it is not how one typically asks for clarification. Wikipedia has this fundamental weakness of not being able to deal with people who edit [Wikipedia articles to] twist the lead into an IDF press release. It is clearly tendentious to anybody witho...

jf1970

This is what was said.... The fact Nableezy also seems to think there is some grand Administrator conspiracy or just mass incompetence to ensure his life as a Wikipedia editor is torture while his opponents can supposedly do whatever they like, is just yet more proof this guy is not and probably ne...

jf1970

...powerful operations such as the Manual of Style. :rotfl: Any attempts to control them via the block button are met with nasty resistance and pressure to unblock which often results in blocks not being allowed to run their course. Outdated narrative. When is the last time a power user did somethi...

jf1970

While I agree it's a terrible process I would likely never go through even in an alternate universe where I contributed more to the "Wikipedia ecosystem", I don't actually think it's "broken" in the sense of "regularly arriving at the wrong result". Not broken in the sense of regularly arriving at ...

jf1970

...powerful operations such as the Manual of Style. :rotfl: Any attempts to control them via the block button are met with nasty resistance and pressure to unblock which often results in blocks not being allowed to run their course. Outdated narrative. When is the last time a power user did somethi...

jf1970

Zoloft wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:26 am
I decided to create a 'Poll Creator' group and added myself to it, and am testing the results.

Shoulda named it "Poll Erector"

jf1970

The new meds made crow calmer.

jf1970

Where above? Arbcom said at least some of the emails were sent using the email system. Whether arbcom actually looked at email logs who knows. ArbCom doesn't have access to email server logs. ArbCom has access to CU logs. Arbcom can ask the WMF to check the server logs. You're right if this is all ...

jf1970

Emails are text. Timestamps are text. Text is creatable. Text is editable. The chain of evidence from ostensible sending of email to ArbCom seems ... suboptimal. NOTE: I do not suggest that any specific individual editors there, or contributors here, have been involved in any such creative endeavou...

jf1970

More cynical minds might wonder which came first - the email or the edit? According to Mr. Nableezy, the e-mail preceded the edit by 6 minutes or so — you could argue that an e-mail server's timestamp is less reliable than a Wikipedia server's timestamp, but we don't know who's running the e-mail s...

jf1970

3 of the new arbs and the reelected Cabayi had more netural votes than supports. In the case of Sdrqaz it was almost 200 more. Not exactly a stirring show of support. Every year since 2015, at least two arbs have been elected with more neutral votes than supports. Yep, it's nothing new. You either ...

jf1970

Worse, he pretended he didn't remember it, and then Pi, Vig, Jake and Tarantino all defended him and Tino suggested the person of color, who was called the n-word and Untouchable by someone who once pretended to be Black, should move on. WPO kicking off 2024! Don’t think Jake or Tarantino did any s...

jf1970

Otherwise why has he resumed his attack on Nableezy? Personal animus? And the animus probably is heavily influenced by the repercussions of having used the n-word against Nableezy. I see no genuine repentance from Tarc if he is going after the same target. Worse, he pretended he didn't remember it,...

jf1970

Tarc fessed up and moved on many years ago. It's up to you if you want to continue to hold a grudge, but please consider doing it somewhere else. Moving on is always easy for the bigot, putting it in the past isnt really an issue for them. But as far as your request, sure. I agree with Nableezy. I ...

jf1970

(snip) Intestines are generally toxic environments for those that pass through them, and I'd hazard a guess that a good number of those emitted from Wikipedia's nether end find themselves less that happy with the experience, regardless of how long their passage takes. If it weren't for its ability ...

jf1970

Hi, and welcome to Wikipediocracy. :welcome: Firstly, if I've misinterpreted your paper in regard to low-scale 'toxicity' affecting your conclusions, as it seems I have, I owe you an apology. With regard to over-interpretation of the results though, I can't help but see elements of that implicit in...

jf1970

I did notice this quote as well, and my thanks to Bezdomni for also pointing it out in part: Snark, sarcasm, and cheeky replies are commonplace in deletion-related venues, much as we would like to have it otherwise. I don't know if Primefac reads this site. If they do, though: Primefac. Friendo. Yo...

jf1970

Perhaps Wikipedia should incentivize its most aggressive gotcha-style page patrollers to double check this stuff before it goes live. I actually spent some time double-checking every approved nomination before it went to prep and raising any issues on the nomination page. But you know what? No-one ...

jf1970

Both Gtoffoletto and MVBW were treated badly by the arbitrators, who seem to think ignoring people and then finding some reason to sanction them is a good idea.

jf1970

Because Acalmari is an arsehole with power. See this 1183255589 which they later struck when they saw where the wind was blowing. (snip) HJMitchell is another arsehole for defending them/ And really this should be another Arbcom case as that is the only way to desysop Acalmari. The assholes (it's s...

jf1970

Konveyor Belt wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:22 pm
Why is the Workshop phase seemingly falling out of fashion? Is what happens in it simply not of much value to ArbCom anymore?

They've really streamlined the process by making the decision before opening a case.

jf1970

Templates are generally tough unless there are no parameters, in which case they are trivial. Tables aren't hard, especially if one can find the documentation. I'll point out that thinking Wikipedia is hard presumes not only that the person has never edited Wikipedia before, but that they've never ...

jf1970

The whole "we won't tell you what you did, but you should confess to everything you've done anyway, or else" is an old cop's trick used when they suspect something but know little to nothing. The difference being that cops and courts can't actually find someone guilty using that old trick, but arbc...

jf1970

94.5% of his edits are to mainspace , which is nice, but how does he manage to edit around the clock seven days a week ? Untitled.png That's wild. I've looked at hundreds, probably thousands of WP time cards and while I've seen some crazy stuff before, I've never, ever seen one like that. https://x...

jf1970

ltbdl wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 16, 2023 3:47 pm
all right, i'll bite. who's fae?

I asked this question once and have regretted it ever since. Trust me, you don't want to know the answer, and you certainly don't want to look at the pictures, because you will never un-see them.

jf1970

All they asked for was $2 now look what happened

jf1970

From a purely observational standpoint, I guess I'm sympathetic to the "seriously, how much harm could they actually do" argument in this particular case. <snip> From Wikipedia's view, could look like this: "They stole our moped, but only used it a few times to go to the nail salon." I guess it's u...

jf1970

These ideas make sense, so they'll be strongly opposed on Wikipedia.

jf1970

Arishok wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:33 pm
It truly astounds me how Beeblebrox is consistently the only Arb who gets yelled at for posting here despite not at all being the only Arb who does so.

Weird. I wonder why that is.

jf1970

The first one languished for a week with no admin other than Tamzin willing to touch it. But impose even the mildest of sanctions and a dozen "legacy admins" come out of the woodwork to comment. AE is a failed state. Or, everyone recognized that the report was BS and ignored it except one young adm...

jf1970

No Ledge wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:23 am
The fact that the fake film about Barbara Millicent "Barbie" Roberts is more popular in red states says a lot about the people watching that one, who also eat fake news from their preferred politicians.

What?

jf1970

Should probably be its own thread now, but an Arbcase has been filed against Sandstein regarding the Tony1 block and Sandstein's justifications for it. Yep, that's sure to go nowhere. By a robotic reading of the rules, Sandstein's block was valid. The unfortunate thing is that's the only kind of ju...

jf1970

Wikipedia will never run out of incompetent admins.

jf1970

Zoloft wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:50 am
The odd thing about this thread (topic) is that the dispute is between one brand of progressive and another. One is into polemics and purity, and the other would like to see truth untarnished by bias. Both are going to be disappointed by the other.

Meanwhile, cops keep bashing heads.

jf1970

Congratulations, this is my longest reply ever. Thanks! I kept telling 'em, " This is gonna work, dammit! It's the perfect gotcha opportunity!" And they all said, "No, you're a fool, he'll just post the usual one-liner, you're wasting your time." But I persisted, and now, here we are! Damnit I only...

jf1970

I actually didn't mean anything by it, I was just trying to make the point (without too much extra parenthetical verbiage) that it's part of an "ecosystem" of second- and third-tier media outlets (and one or two that are arguably first-tier) published by and for Jewish people... This is called "Jew...

jf1970

Midsize Jake wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:49 pm
(Forward.com is an Israeli/Jewish outlet, sort of like Haaretz with a more generic-looking name.)

What makes Forward "an Israeli/Jewish outlet"?

jf1970

The Garbage Scow wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:37 pm
It's always wonderful when they tell you to email or contact such and such people and those people ignore you.

And they wonder why people get angry and start socking around their blocks.

It's much easier to find a volunteer to make a bad block than a good unblock.

jf1970

Volunteer Marek wrote: ↑
Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:08 pm
As often Wikipedia bureaucracy manages to get things wrong in every possible way, and even in some way one wouldn't think possible.

Viva "self-governance"

jf1970

Volunteer Marek wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:38 pm
Malik Shabazz (T-C-L)

One of the best ...

Example of Malik's work? I'm still curious what exactly the editors who are considered the best or better than average are doing to earn the accolade.

jf1970

many high quality articles Example? An example usually given by his defenders was his work on the Donner Party article. That said, this is a Wikipedia criticism forum, and you could pick holes in basically any example I could provide. Also I said "involved in the production of", which included his ...

jf1970

Hemiauchenia wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:50 pm
many high quality articles

Example?

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