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I wonder how much the editors of Encyclopædia Britannica worried in the 1950s about their loss of market share to that new technology called "television", and how much their readers would prefer to get their education from TV. Despite my significant education by sources such as American Experience a...

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She and Molly can dismiss the right wing-with-an agenda criticisms. Uri Berliner, not so much. In October 2020, (BBC head Davie) set out new guidelines for BBC staff, stating that they should avoid expressing their personal views on current issues of political controversy (which he called 'virtue si...

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500 Server Error A misconfiguration on the server caused a hiccup. Check the server logs, fix the problem, then try again. URL: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13447 Happened just a few minutes ago. How do I "check the server logs"? Oh, I tried to post *this* massage, and the r...

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500 Server Error A misconfiguration on the server caused a hiccup. Check the server logs, fix the problem, then try again. URL: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13447 Happened just a few minutes ago. How do I "check the server logs"? Oh, I tried to post *this* massage, and the re...

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Trust and Safety is still led by Jan Eissfeldt, Global Head of Trust and Safety. They say that "currently, the team consists of 20 people across four continents" but Eissfeldt is the only one listed in their public staff directory. Patrick Earley is still listed on meta as the Lead Policy Manager o...

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Wikipediocracy isn't the only related site experiencing technical difficulties: Error Our servers are currently under maintenance or experiencing a technical problem. Please try again in a few minutes. See the error message at the bottom of this page for more information. Original error: upstream co...

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I searched the site for "Primefac" and found his name came up all over this thread. I know he was involved here, but have just peripherally noted that I think he was running interference to support Joe. I'm just dropping by to note what I perceive to be similar behavior from him in his response to m...

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Yes, this is out of the scope of my range of work on the wiki. Requests for comment/Deletion of uncited articles Currently, there are over 114,000 articles on Wikipedia that contain no citations or sources, making it one of the largest clean up categories on the site. WP:WikiProject Unreferenced art...

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You gotta wonder though, when the modern bar is set so high at Articles for Creation, why the community still tolerates 16-year-old biographies which have been tagged as being completely unsourced.

I might could understand if the article had cited at least one source, albeit a hoax source.

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It lasted 16 years to the day, making it barely crack the top ten, at #10 on the list.

Actually it was killed about ten hours shy of its sixteenth birthday.

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Thomas Forbes . It lasted almost 18 years. Its entry on the List of hoaxes on Wikipedia rather confusingly characterises its demise as "Speedy deleted as G3: Blatant hoax". That seems like an inordinately long time for its deletion to be characterised as "speedy". In fact, an earlier version of the...

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The "community", if you can even call it that, is so warped these days. Increasingly dysfunctional. Out of one side of their mouth they say, Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA : Editors are reminded that the policies on civility and personal attacks apply at RfA. Editors may not make allegation...

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ChatGPT may be coming for our jobs. Here are the 10 roles that AI is most likely to replace. 1. Tech jobs (Coders, computer programmers, software engineers, data analysts) But I guess the one tech job AI won't replace is mine. It's too stupid to recognize vandalism and will just eat up all the pois...

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I'm not sure how one would find the log of administrative actions. That would seem very important to add to the picture if those are not counted in edit histories. For tables with total counts of administrative actions, Wikipedia:ADMINSTATS One of my bots is by far the top user for history merges, ...

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But don't blame the slow turning of the wheels of the process on an indolent peasantry. ArbCom IS the mechanism to detool Administrators for cause; and it is unfathomable to detool a Bureaucrat any other way. This shit is simply going to take time because it always does. An indication on how unusua...

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There is lots of work that needs tended to, that does not require administrator privileges, that I do because virtually nobody else does it. What kind of stuff? Speaking generally and not just for No Ledge: Page moves , grammar clean up, adding citations & removing cn tags, clarifying & removing cl...

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Also, "something unimportant nobody cares about or wants to do" is not the same thing as a "backlog". I wish nobody cared about whether a title had a hyphen or an en dash, or whether some thing was a Proper Name or not, or that Pharasmanes IV of Iberia was of Iberia. The people who do care about th...

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The Arbitration Committee learned about this the same way the community did . A real scoop by the WPO investigative reporters! Give Arbcom more time for their deliberations. Y'all should be familiar with the fact that a typical complex case can take weeks, if not months, for them to form an opinion...

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Former RFA retiree and experienced closer now violating the first law of holes by inventing policies to justify closing an RM discussion in favour of his preferred version. Closers are required to look for this and must be able to discern a "responsible Wikipedian" from someone else. Closers must g...

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I believe I recall that there were technical concerns over the scalability of the "secure poll" software. Something along the lines of the WMF could only support one "secure poll" at a time and English Wikipedia hyper-use of polling could lock out other projects. They also need the software to get c...

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Meh. There's a river of BLP content flowing in through Articles for Creation that totally overwhelms the disinterested editors working there. You think the authors of much of this stuff have no connection to the article subjects? I have a bridge to sell you. COI is just a guideline. Just as the Manu...

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Well, there you go. the prohibition against disclosing personal information, takes precedence over this guideline. Therefore it follows that I am prohibited from disclosing that I might have a "conflict of interest" on the talk page of the article about a close friend or family member, where I have ...

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His COI editing is everywhere. Check his contributions page . Most of the people featured there are his friends and he's edited their articles. Exactly. The Arbitration Committee is likely still in the evidence-gathering phase of their secret proceeding. I'd like to see some indication that the US ...

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The Arbitration Committee learned about this the same way the community did . A real scoop by the WPO investigative reporters! Give Arbcom more time for their deliberations. Y'all should be familiar with the fact that a typical complex case can take weeks, if not months, for them to form an opinion ...

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Fram seems to be the only one with sense in that thread. For all his faults, Fram is not often wrong. The close, however, is as soft as shite. For mine, there's a clear consensus for admonishment. Well, I finally got sufficiently interested in this to go look at the close (I hadn't read any of that...

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Don't Let “Perfect” Be the Enemy of “Good”

if you always aim for perfection, you may annoy your colleagues. Seek your peers' feedback rather than trying to meet your extremely high standards.

Hear that, manual-of-style warriors!

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I'm not particularly interested in the details of this case, and haven't been following the discussions, except for occasional glances. But I was curious enough to compare WP:Former administrators with WP:Former bureaucrats . I found one bureaucrat on that list who, back in 2009, the Arbitration Com...

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Only one block in his log . Why no more than that? Not listed on the restrictions page , either. Though I see there that Dicklyon has been banned by the community from making edits with any assistance from automated or semi-automated tools, since 23 September 2023. ( Dicklyon and semi-automated edit...

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aka an editorial board (T-H-L)

Wikipedia would certainly be a different animal if it had one.

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He's a member here . He thought I was " WP:INVOLVED " with Dicklyon. The difference between him and Dick is that I generally like Dick and just wish he wouldn't be so obsessive about particular matters where he has a false sense of overcompetence. McCandlish's posts frequently make my blood boil, ma...

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The cynic in me thinks Jimmy wanted the "Sum of all human knowledge" because that would maximize the volume of data he could "sell" to Google, Amazon, and the like. The more data Jimmy gives to them, the more money, in the form of "donations", he gets back, and the higher Wikipedia rises on the list...

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OK, I struck the line about AE from my idea. Really, it's up to the Arbitration Committee, not the community, to decide who is allowed to participate in Arbitration Enforcement. That was just an afterthought, and, perhaps, a hint. Years ago, I've read, Arbcom took on a lot more cases than they do to...

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AE is already a self-selected committee The idea is to make it not so much of a self-selected committee but one for which members had additional vetting beyond ordinary admin vetting; similar to the way check-users and oversighters are "self-selected", or not Remember, the reason for this is to mak...

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Either AE "suffers from chronic under-participation" or it's "infested" – it can't be both; those seem like opposite extremes. Some time years ago I ran an analysis of blocks of extended-confirmed users. Yes, these are more commonplace than I like to think they are, I guess. What percentage of block...

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LTAs and socks can also potentially go on an "outing spree" that can't be stopped except by oversighters... not a problem, assuming there are enough oversighters that one of them promptly deals with it. Ordinary admins can rev del as a first step, and it can often take some time to actually get an ...

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" Take the ability to block extended-confirmed users out of the standard toolset. Kick that upstairs to a new committee – the English Wikipedia chapter of Universal Code of Conduct enforcement. " So someone could register, behave themselves until they get extended confirmed (as many LTAs and socks ...

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Gag. This is morphing into a repeat of the 2021 review trainwreck. Barkeep asked me for feedback, and I just gave him my ideas . Holy heck. You told the guy seeking to feed more homeless people to just order the military to seize unoccupied homes. ?? I'm not really following your analogy. But, if h...

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IP editing could provide a good "administrator training ground" if some editors were given the new "vandal blocker" temporary right as described in my ideas for RfA reform.

That would give volunteers more incentive to watch these edits and filter out the bad ones.

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Gag. This is morphing into a repeat of the 2021 review trainwreck.

Barkeep asked me for feedback, and I just gave him my ideas.

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jf1970 wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:15 pm
Where is the "nasty resistance and pressure to unblock"?

See this discussion

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It's the opposite with Dicklyon. He's just trying to enforce projectwide consensus and against him are very few people who don't like that he moves their articles to titles they don't like. So, they keep trying to rid of him, but consensus is always on his favour and they know that no actual discus...

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Barkeep49 has started an RfC on a trial for discussion-first RfAs. ongoing discussion ( permanent link ) Who was it that was behind that massive two-phase reform initiative called the "RfA 2021 review"? Which accomplished little except to create a drama-board fork called Wikipedia:Administrative ac...

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[Know-it-all non-admins]don't have any "tools" that could be taken away from them[...]Yet [...] wield tremendous power. I think I captured the spirit of what you said in this paraphrase, No Ledge. Let me know if you disagree and I'll try re-rephrasing. Either way, in the aftermath of Framageddon, s...

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...powerful operations such as the Manual of Style. :rotfl: Any attempts to control them via the block button are met with nasty resistance and pressure to unblock which often results in blocks not being allowed to run their course. Outdated narrative. When is the last time a power user did somethi...

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Y'all think administrators have more power than they actually do. What's harder than taking away sysop privileges is controlling the behavior of know-it-all non-administrator administrators, who run powerful operations such as the Manual of Style. They don't have any "tools" that could be taken away...

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RfA’s problems start with admin removal and admin lifetime tenure. The stakes are high at RfA because it’s almost impossible to get rid of a bad admin. That leads to tense discussions Fix that problem and RfAs will calm down. You’ll then get more RfAs and more admins. It's not almost impossible . W...

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I've thought about making YouTube videos documenting my gnoming work, and to train people who might want to volunteer to work for Wikipedia. I've heard that one can get paid by YouTube for posting highly-viewed videos, but I doubt there is much of a market for this, and I have no experience with ma...

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I recently fixed a syntax error in a biography of living person Jenilee Harrison . Let's take a look at how you "fixed" that. You added as a reference a site that lists court documents related to a divorce case. If one paid, they could access those documents. Without paying, I'm not even sure if th...

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Voter information A vote to ratify the charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) was held from 19 January until 2 February 2024 via SecurePoll. Voting is now closed. Thank you to all who voted. The result was 1249 voters in support and 420 voters opposed. 69 voters did ...

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There is absolutely no reason why editorial judgement cannot be deployed to conclude that in scenarios like this they can update a biography based on a verified primary source, if prior editorial judgement concluded the material that is now out of date, should have been noted in the first place. Th...

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