Wikipediocracy

mendaliv

As I said elsewhere (and was apparently lost in some purge), Above The Law is probably the lowest-quality legal industry blog there is. Joe Patrice is an utter hack that writes like he trained in Buzzfeed's clickbait department and, along with the more senior Elie Mystal, managed to lower the qualit...

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I agree. Past ArbComs have had (too) high a bar to desysop and been (too) careful not to rock the boat. But ArbCom is not a static body. Our membership and opinions change based on elections and the evolving norms of the community (which we're part of remember). We're also not a single body. So ann...

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Vigilant wrote:It's like every 6 hours his inner magnetic pole flips and he feels compelled to shit post something different in every space available.

He's a fecal pulsar.

Apt, as always.

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SilkTork wrote:I didn't have a hand in shaping the PD - I haven't communicated with the rest of the Committee for over a month

What the ever loving hell?

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Both were skilled politicians, but Sarah had a much thicker skin and was more centered than Laura. I think this latter aspect may have benefitted Hale. As I say above, in the non-nuanced discourse surrounding the Wikimedia movement, "feeling" harassed is effectively the same as harassment. You can ...

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Looks like they're done, with ArbCom claiming that they are taking over the desysop. Unless I'm reading this wrong? This has all been a learning curve, okay? For us too. They've grabbed ahold of the Laura Hale Tar Baby and won't let go. Every time ARBCOM does something this stupid I am shocked but ...

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Honestly, anybody who can make "video articles" with any level of quality should just be making YouTube videos and opening a Patreon account.

And really, anybody who can write Wikipedia articles at a professional level should probably be writing books as well.

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Looks like they're done, with ArbCom claiming that they are taking over the desysop. Unless I'm reading this wrong? Yeah that's what it looks like to me. Really dumb move on their parts given everything else they've said indicates they didn't initially consider a desysop to be proportionate. I'm th...

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The de-sysop was NOT fair. Under the current expectations for admins, there's no way Fram would lose the tools in a public case. It WAS fair and by the policies. WP:ADMINCOND applies primarily. As an editor, he would have been indeffed much sooner. If the ArbCom accepts one of the previous rejected...

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The de-sysop was NOT fair. Under the current expectations for admins, there's no way Fram would lose the tools in a public case. It WAS fair and by the policies. WP:ADMINCOND applies primarily. As an editor, he would have been indeffed much sooner. If the ArbCom accepts one of the previous rejected...

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You don't allow decisions like that to stand or you set the stage for far more bad decisions in the future. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated fairly. The process was unfair, and the ban unjustified. The de-sysop was fair. A dozen other admins deserve ...

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Vigilant wrote:What happens if none of the section 2 admin bit remedies pass?

Then he doesn’t get his admin bit back.

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I guess after the case closes (though don't discount an arb throwing up more nuanced remedies to see if they can pass), the ball is in Fram's court. I wonder what their approach will be once the ban is vacated? Storm back on-wiki and start (continue) complaining vociferously about the result? Or a ...

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I don't think there's anything wrong with "editor's notes" between the headline and the main matter of an article, particularly where necessary to give context to the article (e.g., when information may be dated due to a lag between submission and printing).

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EllenCT has now taken Jehochman’s removal to ANI. And almost immediately got a finger-wagging for not talking it out with him while her comment stayed reverted.

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Imagine if Fram came back and ran for ArbCom.

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These unredacted materials show a pattern of borderline harassment against multiple individuals, through hounding the individuals and excessively highlighting their failures. Most lawyers (or other people who deal with redacted materials) think of two versions of the same document: the redacted cop...

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Wow. I knew it was bad on Wikidata but damn.

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This seems cheeky I thought you weren't supposed to remove other people's comments... Jehochman is a fucking basketcase. His opinions about the situation flip regularly without any rhyme or reason and he’s clearly oblivious about any of the history involved yet he’s continually injected himself any...

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mendaliv wrote:Down in the midwest via cellular (AT&T IP address), up via fiberoptic (small ISP).

Down on fiberoptic now. Still down on cellular.

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Down in the midwest via cellular (AT&T IP address), up via fiberoptic (small ISP).

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On the plus side, not only did that stupid word limit restriction fail, but the arb who proposed it actually apologized for doing so. I give OR a lot of credit for her post on that, though I'd have liked to debate it more and perhaps bring her around to an oppose. OR is one of the few arbs who, whi...

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Xade wrote:Sorry, please remind me of whom exactly MMAR is? (I don't have enough time to read the full thread)

I'm not sure. I'm guessing some LTA.

Also

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I also agree with Eric here that everyone knew that the outcome of this case was predetermined and in fact almost all the arbcom cases are because if they didn't think there was a problem to resolve they wouldn't accept the case in the first place. I also agree that the Arbcom lacks the moral coura...

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I also agree with Eric here that everyone knew that the outcome of this case was predetermined and in fact almost all the arbcom cases are because if they didn't think there was a problem to resolve they wouldn't accept the case in the first place. I also agree that the Arbcom lacks the moral coura...

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But, on a side note, Fram being banned is yet another one of the people who participated in my bullshit ban being forced out...just like they forced me out. Well, like my sig says, sometimes our rights get defined in cases involving not very nice people. Even if Fram was harassing someone, the proc...

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I'm not as cynical (or in some cases downright paranoid) as some of the rest of you about arbcom, we certainly didn't predetermine case outcomes when I was an arb and the office never once told us what we had to do to please them, nor did we worry about what they thought. But of course this case ch...

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But, on a side note, Fram being banned is yet another one of the people who participated in my bullshit ban being forced out...just like they forced me out. Well, like my sig says, sometimes our rights get defined in cases involving not very nice people. Even if Fram was harassing someone, the proc...

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God damn. I'm not sure about the wording (but I have not been involved in shaping the PD, so unaware of the thinking behind it) as it might be seen as odd to siteban an admin but allow them to keep their admin tools, but regardless of the wording, I think the question of Fram's admin status should ...

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I was going to make a comment about the word-count limit, but User: Hlevy2 has already said pretty much what I was going to say: Comments by Hlevy2 Word limit on comments (outside of Arbcom proceedings) If the Arbcom wishes to place an increased emphasis on civility, that goal is not furthered by a...

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I'm kind of disappointed that I didn't get the response to the sectioned discussion complaint in my section. I was thinking about collapsing/removing any responses since it's my section.

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It does seem like this forced sectioning without threaded discussion is the new normal on PD talk pages, (although the clerks themselves seem to feel free to do so) which I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking is a terrible idea for vague purposes. It's a talk page, but you can't actually have a conver...

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We have the most delicate of snowflakes working as ARBCOM clerks... Hey Future Perfect at Sunrise, I appreciate your concerns about the format. I also saw a comment above by Mendaliv about sectioned discussion, and it's clear that there's some frustration about the change, so I hope I can be somewh...

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DING! DING! DING! Statement by Mr Ernie Would the Committee explicitly cite the evidence on the basis of which they support the de-sysop of Fram? This can be used as the (incredibly low) new bar for which cases regarding admin behavior can be brought before the committee. I've in mind half a dozen ...

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GW is abstaining from FoF #5 : The evidence provided by the community, as summarized on the evidence page, reveals instances of incivility or lack of decorum on Fram's part, but does not reflect any conduct for which a site-ban would be a proportionate response. In addition, the evidence reveals in...

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And unsurprisingly, WTT is playing Solomon in the remedies section: Refusing to confirm or reject the ban and desysop, but ending the ban early.

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GW is abstaining from FoF #5 : The evidence provided by the community, as summarized on the evidence page, reveals instances of incivility or lack of decorum on Fram's part, but does not reflect any conduct for which a site-ban would be a proportionate response. In addition, the evidence reveals in...

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This is the only thing that matters: Evaluation of Office-provided case materials 6) The Office provided case materials to the Arbitration Committee, upon which they based their conduct warnings and ban. The materials were partially redacted, notably removing the initial complaints as well as other...

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The PD is up! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fram/Proposed_decision&diff=914155351 The remedies section is structured to give the appearance of public debate by the arbs. Three of the four possible results envisioned re: the ban are suggested: vacated,...

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Anroth wrote:A virtual machine inside a virtual machine (dont laugh, seen someone do this, I could never bring myself to explain to them the pointlessness of it).

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In all honesty I suspect he is losing it. Either that or he truly reached a higher level of not giving a fuck since he basically blew up his own wiki career with his eyes wide open, violating a hardline principle that he wrote himself when he was an arb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbi...

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Ryuichi wrote:Someone's just gone through Gamergate controversy (T-H-L) and replaced all references to Quinn with "they/them" pronouns. I honestly can't tell if Poe or not.

I hope whoever did that didn't change the verb forms away from the singular.

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^^^Advert for "Don't represent yourself, get a lawyer". America Needs More Lawyers .org :D Yes get a lawyer. No we don't need more lawyers. Please do not compete with me. Prediction: Now that LH has exhausted her career as a Wikipedian and citizen journalist, she will go to law school and then do a...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive918,Fram pinned the tale on Wikicology/Olatunde Isaac in 2016: Give him some novel type of topic ban? No creation of new articles, no addition of new content, until he has revisited all his articles and either corr...

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Nah, Guy Macon. I think he's referring to the "only one of those who I have interacted with in any meaningdful sense, I would trust absolutely" quote in the initial post of this thread, isn't he...? In which case, that's JzG. I doubt Guy Macon has ever interacted with a T&S person in any sense what...

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Poetlister wrote:Is Guy JzG? If so, the same remarks apply.

Nah, Guy Macon. Who is not exactly someone who inspires confidence.

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Crow is getting pretty frisky. https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1186&start=50#p11773 https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11772#p11772 Hey buddy, we didn't realize these training exercises would get you so riled. We'll try to make them a bit more simple in lin...

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Enabling Wikicology! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request_for_an_account_on_the_Foundation_wiki/Archives/2016#Wikicology Wikicology ARBCOM New wikicology rename Olatunde Isaac Co-founder, Wikimedia UG Nigeria, former member, Individual Engagement Grant Committee, WMF. This dude was BANNED. He's ...

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I think it's safe to say that whatever decision the Arbcom comes to, and whatever penalty they choose to give to Fram, people here will condemn it. It will be called a whitewash, or a craven submission to the will of T&S, or a proof of the incompetence of Arbcom. Would anyone care to say now, befor...

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WTT - I'm going to close this section, as quite simply, it isn't a discussion that is relevant to this case. I'm aware there is a theory that this is all to do with one individual, who has since vanished, her name's in the section, 9 times in one comment - and as I've done my best to make clear, sh...

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