Wikipediocracy

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Well at least Roe's comments have enough context you can figure out what being frammed means. Although it generally seems to start with people taking umbrage at any scrutiny their direction, because Anome complains Fram took him to ANI instead of... talking about it on the talk page. Where Fram did ...

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To take a disputed article on Wikipedia, I don't see the issue with Lazarus of Bethany in broad strokes—it's clear where the stories are coming from, and doesn't present the idea that Lazarus was a real person or the miracle actually happened. Let's take that article, shall we? Lazarus of Bethany (...

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I'm getting kind of sick of nihonjoe leaning so heavily on the amount of edits he's done as if it absolves the problematic ones that got him in this situation in the first place. A judge isn't going to hear "well your honor I've lived 11,783 days and I only stole a car on two of them so I don't see...

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The biggest obstacle to people "seeing the light" about atheism is that atheists tend to be as dogmatic and deeply unpleasant as the deeply pious. The cult of reason ain't any less of a cult. As far Wikipedia's coverage, I don't think every article needs to talk about the historicity of Jesus, but I...

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I can see the argument that if a user's infractions don't involve the tools, it doesn't make sense to remove the tools, but at this point there's been no shortage of cases in front of ArbCom where they've decided to remove the tools as per "lack of trust", and basically none of those people have ev...

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References are a finicky pain in the ass in general and especially on Wikipedia. You can either have citations clutter up the main text, where they're at least marginally connected to the statement they're attributing, or you can separate them out which makes some things easier to maintain but can l...

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This feels like one of those articles I would oppose at FAC because there's just not enough there. It's less than 1000 words if you take out the lead, and its claim to fame is fundamentally a bit of trivia that didn't actually result in any meaningful change in the television landscape. Some people ...

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I can see the argument that if a user's infractions don't involve the tools, it doesn't make sense to remove the tools, but at this point there's been no shortage of cases in front of ArbCom where they've decided to remove the tools as per "lack of trust", and basically none of those people have eve...

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The willingness of people to release high-quality professional photographic images for free (or nearly so) has significantly devalued the market for commercial photography (which will no doubt be devalued further by AI images). I doubt people will be satisfied with AI images of their weddings, babi...

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What’s the point of doing all this work to win a prize like that? A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon. – Napoleon That's Napolean . I dare say it didn't even occur to them to find a quote from someone who didn't end their days in exile having been given a right good kick ...

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I need to correct something I said. While Exploring (Learning for Life) does not mention the sexual assault cases associated with the program, I overlooked the fact that there are separate articles for some of the Exploring programs. Specifically: Aviation Career Exploring Fire Service Exploring He...

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Yes, this is out of the scope of my range of work on the wiki. Requests for comment/Deletion of uncited articles Currently, there are over 114,000 articles on Wikipedia that contain no citations or sources, making it one of the largest clean up categories on the site. WP:WikiProject Unreferenced ar...

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Might as well bump this to bring you the latest in TTT news, where he seems to be coasting to getting banned from the WikiCup (and possibly GAN entirely) because of his blatant attempt to game the system by spamming the nominations (looks like only RandyKryn and Andrew Davidson are valiantly rising ...

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Kashmiri is a party, yes. I would argue that once his comment in the AFD was oversighted, he was careful not to repost it – unlike Fram, who doubled down. IMO at this point they both should get no more than a finger wagging. Fram swings from the heels when he throws a punch. That leaves him open......

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Oh, yeah, Nihonjoe is totally screwed here. He's not coming through this with the tools. I think that was actually relatively clear from the get-go—it's a really bad sign for a vested contributor when nobody else from the clique shows up to urge leniency or invent extenuating circumstances. The int...

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The offending comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Afrikaans_exonyms&diff=prev&oldid=1214906173 I think at this point Sandstein has passed thin-skinned and is now almost translucent. That's not the path to transparency we were looking for. Also, still ...

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Teachers don't seem like fantasy land to me. I suppose that there could be LLM-based services for universities that help teachers process various reading/writing assingments for a group of students quicker. If it unburdens a teacher significantly, it could mean that they can take on a bigger group ...

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Horse Eye's Back is seriously arguing in the BLP discussion that the article should exist because NOTNEWS encourages editors "to develop stand-alone articles on the most significant current events". :facepalm: He's arguing that Catherine is a "political figure", which is an interesting angle. I've ...

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And the policy will never get changed, because there are people who love the breaking-news aspect of Wikipedia. That's why they get knee deep in breathless Covid or Ukraine coverage. Beyond that, it's a general issue of Wikipedia that creating content is easy and cheap, curating and editing content ...

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Unsurprisingly, Nihonjoe has chosen the very last possible moment to drop a massive amount of evidence. Massive indeed. It brings his evidence to over 1500 words, but I don't suppose he'll be asked to refactor. He's gone for the classic "defensive apology" strategy ("I'm sorry, but also I didn't do...

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Unsurprisingly, Nihonjoe has chosen the very last possible moment to drop a massive amount of evidence. Massive indeed. It brings his evidence to over 1500 words, but I don't suppose he'll be asked to refactor. He's gone for the classic "defensive apology" strategy ("I'm sorry, but also I didn't do...

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Yes! ...This is just the latest in a long series of situations where it took outside, public pressure for the Committee or functionaries to take corrective action, from Laura Hale to Qworty to Tenebrae. Fundamentally if Wikipedians are expected to abide by OUTING without regard to the fact that COI...

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Especially given how many POV forks Wikipedia tends to attract, I don't think it'd be hard to write an article about how biased X or Y page is on Wikipedia. But the article is so shockingly vague it really sounds like they're upset that Wikipedia is demonstrating that the Israeli military killing 20...

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Obviously the successful account selling you wouldn't know about, but it's hard to imagine the success rate (as in, this account stays unblocked to grind their axe on whatever they bought the account for, etc. after a month or two) is anything other than abysmal. Like many things it's really just a ...

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The Where is Kate? article is a perfect example of how some editor's approach to notability being news coverage alone means you're essentially signal-boosting conspiracy theories and giving them more attention then they ought to be with a modicum of editorial consideration (they even have an image b...

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Question of the day: is WhatamIdoing playing dumb or just dumb ? If I had to guess, she along with Andy Mabbett are running defense for the sake of GLAM-itude. I think you've probably hit the nail on the head, given that the other place I've often seen her carrying water for bad edits is related to...

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This is a weird dig in there: Hence the preponderance of great men of American and European history. The biography most overloaded with scholarly references remains that of Joseph Stalin. Joseph Stalin is definitely hefty (200,000 words, nearly 1000 citations) but given they're talking about shining...

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Arbcom's gonna hear this case, another 250,000 characters will be typed and posted, three weeks will be wasted, and Nihonjoe will lose both hats. Some sacrificial lamb will be plucked from the sky and indeffed for "outing." Stern reprimands will be issued to all. And the church ladies will feel smu...

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Aye. This is what I don't get: If you edit across such a broad range of topics that are so closely tied to you - your family, your employer, your books, your publications - and for which there is such a strong degree of conflict of interest, that you make it easy and obvious to identify you as an i...

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Encino Park and Ride Oh please let's not start making articles.about parking lots now Too late for that… The OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument highlights Vince Lombardi Park & Ride , which certainly has a lot more sourcing involved. From a quick search, there don't seem to be many of them on Wikipedia, alt...

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Nihonjoe added the title/year/publisher/ISBN of a book published by Hemelein Publications to the Wikipedia biography of an author. It is inarguable that Nihonjoe is Joe Monson and thus he is the Managing Editor of Hemelein Publications. Is Primefac seriously trying to suggest that this edit is unco...

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Nobody ever pays attention to WP:DETCON , Consensus is ascertained by the quality of the arguments Plenty do, but they also accept that they'll get taken to deletion review/close review etc. because of it, so I imagine many only do it rarely or in the most egregious of "1 policy-based argument vers...

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[...] I definitely feel like some critics of Wikipedia's culture act like Wikipedia's rules are so byzantine that it's impossible to figure out[.] [...] Not just critics. If new editors know the rules they are immediately accused of being socks. Fair point. Although I think there is a shade of diff...

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I mentioned this in my original post, but as a reminder, in around 5 hours or so (1 AM EST) popular paranormal radio program Coast to Coast AM is airing an episode about this. The host George Knapp (television journalist) Wikipedia article was one of the subjects of contention. You can read the epi...

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It's almost certainly much better than whatever training people are getting in the WikiEdu stuff. It's probably also targeted more towards a crowd familiar with her (coders, etc) and thus a similar crowd demographics-wise to the current editing base, but you can't change a leopard's spots. The advic...

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Look, I know this is so routine as to be practically not worth commenting on, but today I happened across the article 2024 Ra'anana attack , which was created the same day the attack occurred. It was last updated 5 days ago and nobody seems to have questions about the enduring legacy of one attack ...

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I get the idea of using a public domain encyclopedia as seed for Wikipedia in theory, but in practice when would you actually want to use content from a 100+ year old source? There's the obvious cases like the entry on negro but just in general the number of topics to which there's been absolutely n...

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WPO is falling behind the competition: https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipediacriticism/comments/19dqhp7/the_uap_community_has_turned_against_wikipedia/ earned 1 upvote by sharing a video with 20K views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq-GuSs8kX8&ab_channel=TheGoodTroubleShowwithMattFord That YouTuber ...

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So I take it the issue is NFL Draft vs. NFL draft . Who gives a fuck, really? Pick one and leave it. I've recently been doing almost all my WP work on NFL-related topics and I prefer NFL draft myself, since it's really not a proper name. But, whatever. t Yeah fundamentally the issue I have with the...

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While there have been some concerns expressed about Nihonjoe's adminship and bureaucratship, there have been as of yet no formal proposals to do anything about it, and we are reaching the heat/light boundary. If anyone still has any significant or serious concerns, please feel free to start a new s...

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I generally don't find the "culture" complaints useful or actionable. Everyone seems to agree ANI or RFA are bad, but no one actually agrees on why that is and what would improve things. I don't know what the "toxic back room culture" even means, either. Beyond that, it's a volunteer project; it's p...

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Ultimately the discussion aspect of RFA is a good thing, since there have been many RFAs where someone brought up new or previously unknown information about a candidate that significantly changed the course of the proceedings. Whether or not it actually "sunk" their candidacy, the people who voted...

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Most IP editing is probably a net positive; the only thing that's changed is that Wikipedia is much higher-profile than it was when it was just tens of thousands of entries getting rapidly built out and the delta between the people who knew what they were doing and the people who didn't was small. T...

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Today's Featured Bad Lead: The Annunciation is an oil painting by the Early Netherlandish painter Hans Memling. It depicts the Annunciation, the archangel Gabriel's announcement to the Virgin Mary that she would conceive and become the mother of Jesus, described in the Gospel of Luke. Dudes, you kn...

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Even if it's within their remit to reconfirm at that percentage it would be a massively dumb idea. Why would you blow credibility on a steward who lashes out at the most minor of criticisms? If he'd kept his mouth shut I doubt all those people would have been inspired to come out against the reconfi...

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The mongols have been repulsed from the Main Page. Now it's fashion time! TFA is Taxi Driver (Alexander McQueen collection) . The first DYK is The Overlook (Alexander McQueen collection) . And by fashion I mean stuff like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Fitting_of_th...

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Wikidata has all the problems of Wikipedia, but with less transparency than the latter. It's a terrible idea pushed by people who like the idea of data but don't care if the data is correct. In many ways a good example of the mindset behind all the LLM stuff. I really do think Mabbett and his kind a...

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Did you guys know about Template:@Bureaucrats ? It's a useful feature – it summons a bureaucrat to ignore your request and yell at you. @Bureaucrats: As this is off topic, I think this could probably be dropped onto the talk page, to the overall benefit of the process. - SchroCat (talk) 10:51 am, T...

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By the low bar of the GNG, she's likely notable enough to avoid an AfD, and she ends up in the "technically notable but permastub land" limbo. I do think the horse character schtick is likely to in the long term prevent them from ever reaching a higher threshold of success (once you move past the gi...

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Yes, Lillahundhud should be ashamed, whoever they are. A monster. Sorry if my earlier sarcasm wasn't clear. They created the article themselves. It's an autobiography. This one New York Times Co piece may be enough to stop it being deleted: Lucky Benson Named Visual Editor, Audience Drop their NYT ...

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