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Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Mancunium » Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:31 am

Les 10 ans de la version dialectale
L'Alsace, 28 November 2013 link

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Alemannic is a group of dialects of the Upper German branch of the Germanic language family. It is spoken by approximately ten million people in eight countries: Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, France, Italy, Venezuela (Colonia Tovar dialect) and the USA (by some Amish groups). The name derives from the ancient Germanic alliance of tribes known as the Alamanni ("all men"). Alemannic itself comprises a dialect continuum, from the Highest Alemannic spoken in the mountainous south to Swabian in the relatively flat north, with more of the characteristics of standard German the farther north one goes. Some linguists and organisations that differentiate between languages and dialects primarily on the grounds of mutual intelligibility, such as SIL International and UNESCO, describe Alemannic as one or several independent languages. ISO 639-3 distinguishes four languages: gsw (Swiss German), swg (Swabian German), wae (Walser German) and gct (Alemán Coloniero, spoken since 1843 in Venezuela).
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In 2003 Alexis Dufrenoy sought, and received, permission from Jimmy Wales to create an Alsatian Wikipedia, which was soon amalgamated into the Alemannic_Wikipedia (T-H-L), which has articles written in various dialects of Switzerland, Germany, and Austrian Voralburg. There are 15,700 articles in this dog's breakfast of an encyclopedia-- of which 47.7 percent are written in Swiss dialects, 37.1 percent in the dialects of Baden, 14.4 in Alsatian, and many of the rest in Fribourgeois, A single editor writes in the dialect of Bonn, and another is the only person to write in the language of Mulhouse.

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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:40 am

Mancunium wrote:Les 10 ans de la version dialectale
L'Alsace, 28 November 2013 link

Alemannic_German (T-H-L)
Alemannic is a group of dialects of the Upper German branch of the Germanic language family. It is spoken by approximately ten million people in eight countries: Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, France, Italy, Venezuela (Colonia Tovar dialect) and the USA (by some Amish groups). The name derives from the ancient Germanic alliance of tribes known as the Alamanni ("all men"). Alemannic itself comprises a dialect continuum, from the Highest Alemannic spoken in the mountainous south to Swabian in the relatively flat north, with more of the characteristics of standard German the farther north one goes. Some linguists and organisations that differentiate between languages and dialects primarily on the grounds of mutual intelligibility, such as SIL International and UNESCO, describe Alemannic as one or several independent languages. ISO 639-3 distinguishes four languages: gsw (Swiss German), swg (Swabian German), wae (Walser German) and gct (Alemán Coloniero, spoken since 1843 in Venezuela).
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In 2003 Alexis Dufrenoy sought, and received, permission from Jimmy Wales to create an Alsatian Wikipedia, which was soon amalgamated into the Alemannic_Wikipedia (T-H-L), which has articles written in various dialects of Switzerland, Germany, and Austrian Voralburg. There are 15,700 articles in this dog's breakfast of an encyclopedia-- of which 47.7 percent are written in Swiss dialects, 37.1 percent in the dialects of Baden, 14.4 in Alsatian, and many of the rest in Fribourgeois, A single editor writes in the dialect of Bonn, and another is the only person to write in the language of Mulhouse.

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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Poetlister » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:30 pm

There is no earthly way that Alemannic is a language. Its creation is no doubt due to some sort of politics, as quite a few of the more obscure language sites are.

It would be interesting to know how many Amish people edit Wikipedia, in that language or any other!
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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Mancunium » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:36 pm

The surprising thing for me is that a dialect continuum has its own Wikipedia, and that one or two people can say whatever they want in a personal Wikipedia about their own private reality. They can do this because the WMF wants to say "287 languages!", as if it's some great achievement to have a single hobbyist writing whatever she wants without supervision.

List of Wikipedias: link
This page contains a list of all 287 languages for which official Wikipedias have been created under the auspices of the Wikimedia Foundation. Content in other languages is being developed at the Wikimedia Incubator; languages which meet certain criteria can get their own wikis.
The favoured 287 include Kanuri, spoken by four million people in western Africa, which has one article, and Herero, spoken by 250,000 people in southern Africa, which has no articles at all. The fact is: far from delivering the sum of all knowledge, Wikipedia is helping drive to extinction the knowledge encoded in all the languages of man. What it delivers to Kenya, Burma, and Bangladesh is anglophone imperialism.

Only 4% of Languages Are Used Online
Pricenomics, 2 December 2013 link
[...] A full 96% of the world’s 6,000+ languages appear to be dead when it comes to use on cell phones, laptops, and tablets, meaning that the Internet could be to languages what a certain comet was to the dinosaurs. [...] A language’s Wikipedia presence is one of the most important indicators of its ability to leap into the digital age. [...]
Digital Language Death
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Of the approximately 7,000 languages spoken today, some 2,500 are generally considered endangered. Here we argue that this consensus figure vastly underestimates the danger of digital language death, in that less than 5% of all languages can still ascend to the digital realm. We present evidence of a massive die-off caused by the digital divide.

Since digital ascent means active use of the language in the digital realm, we need to identify at least one active online community that relies on the language as its primary means of communication. There may be small bulletin boards, mailing lists, Yahoo, or Google groups scattered around, but experience shows that Wikipedia is always among the very first active digital language communities, and can be safely used as an early indicator of some language actually crossing the digital divide. The reason is that children, as soon as they start using computers for anything beyond gaming, become aware of Wikipedia, which offers a highly supportive environment of like-minded users, and lets everyone pursue a goal, summarizing human knowledge, that many find not just attractive, but in fact instrumental for establishing their language and culture in the digital realm. To summarize a key result of this study in advance: No wikipedia, no ascent.

The need for creating a wikipedia is quite keenly felt in all digitally ascending languages. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that currently there are 533 proposals in incubator stage, more than twice the number of actual wikipedias. In fact, the desire to get a working wikipedia off the ground is so strong as to incite efforts at gaming the ranking system used by wikipedia, which sorts the various language editions at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_W​ikipedias simply by number of articles. The most blatant of these Potemkin wikipedias is #37, Volapük, which is based almost entirely on machine-generated geographic entries such as Kitsemetsa Kitsemetsa binon vilag in grafän: Lääne-Viru, in Lestiyän. Kitsemetsa topon videtü 58°55′ N e lunetü 26°19′ L. ‘Kitsemetsa is a village in Lääne-Viru County, in Estonia. It is at at latitude 58°55′ N and longitude 26°19′ E.’ [...]
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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

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How the Internet is killing the world’s languages
The Washington Post, 4 December 2013 link
Less than five percent of current world languages are in use online, according to a recent study by prominent linguist András Kornai -- and the Internet may be helping the other 95 percent to their graves. [...] For reference, at least 7,776 languages are in use in the greater offline world. To measure how many of those are also in use on the Internet, Kornai designed a program to crawl top-level Web domains and catalog the number of words in each language. He also analyzed Wikipedia pages, a key marker of a language’s digital vibrancy, as well as language options for things like operating systems and spell-checkers. His finding: Less than five percent of languages in use now exist online. [...]

The obvious question is whether the death of Nynorsk, and languages like it, can be averted. Plenty of organizations, including Wikipedia and the Alliance for Linguistic Diversity, have devoted resources to that cause: The ALD has a massive crowd-sourced encyclopedia of endangered languages, complete with sample texts in tongues such as Nganasan (500 speakers, Russia) and Maxakali (802 speakers, Brazil). Wikipedia has an “incubator” to encourage projects in new languages (or very old ones). Kornai thinks the Wikipedia project has potential -- in fact, he argues that endangered languages need a core of digital fanatics, like Wikipedia moderators or educational app developers, to survive. But that isn’t enough to keep a fading language viable in the long term, particularly if there’s another, more dominant language that’s easier for people to use online. Even if you have a killer Cherokee wiki, for instance -- which, it turns out, some people do -- you’re not necessarily going to be able to Google or Facebook or tweet in that language. [...]
The writer here should have taken a look at all those Wikipedias. The Wikimedia Foundation is facilitating hobbyists who think they're recreating Ancient Norse, while forming partnerships with telecoms to force a handful of languages upon billions of people.
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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by EricBarbour » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:58 am

Even if you have a killer Cherokee wiki, for instance -- which, it turns out, some people do --
And the fool neglected to mention the Cherokee-language Wikipedia, formerly controlled with an iron fist by our old fiend Jeff Merkey.

Virtually all content editors on it now are bots, and editing thereon appears to have ground to a near-halt in 2012 anyway.
Anyone wanna call that a "killer wiki"? Zombielike, perhaps.

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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

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Which Languages Will Survive on the Internet?
Slate, 11 December 2013 link
[...] It's not news that we're currently in a period of mass linguistic extinction. One of the world’s languages falls out of use about every two weeks and about half of those remaining are in danger of extinction this century. [...] As one example, there are currently active Wikipedias for 287 languages , but proposals for almost twice that many. As Komai writes, “The need for creating a wikipedia is quite keenly felt in all digitally ascending languages.” Most of these will never get off the ground as, beyond hobbyists and activists, there just isn’t enough interest to maintain a Wikipedia.

Some linguistic groups have clearly recognized the importance of a digital presence. Though Catalan is spoken by fewer than 10 million people, it has the world’s 15th largest Wikipedia, with around 1,600 active editors. “Viquipedia” is viewed by advocates as a nationalist project to ensure their cultural survival. [...] All in all, Kohai’s survey on languages online estimates that at most 5 percent of the world’s 7,000 active languages will be capable of ascending. It’s fair to wonder just how much of a tragedy this really is: while we’re losing some local identity, more people around the world are now able to communicate with one another than ever before. It is safe to say, however, that we’re at something of a key turning point in the history of culture.
Whenever a journalist mentions Wikipedia's "287 languages" it demonstrates that he doesn't know what he's writing about-- like the fake military experts who think the inhabitants of Afghanistan are called "Afghanis".
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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Mancunium » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:14 pm

The Internet Is Killing Most Languages
Motherboard, 1 April 2014 link
You might be living through another mass extinction of species—brought on by us humans, who have been changing climate and fragmenting habitats at an increasing clip—but what you probably don't know is that you might also be living through a mass extinction of human languages—brought on by the magic of the internet. According to a paper titled “Digital Language Death,” just published in PLOS One, less than five percent of the 7,000 languages spoken today will ascend to the digital realm. Granted, languages have been dying as long as they’ve been spoken, but the Endangered Languages Project reports that “the pace at which languages are disappearing today has no precedent and is alarming.” András Kornai, author of the new paper, blames the internet for why we’re more likely to be speaking French than, say, Mandinka, in the future. [...] The great flat, globalized world of the internet operates pretty much as a monoculture [...] Only about 250 languages can be called well-established online, and another 140 are borderline. Of the 7,000 languages still alive, perhaps 2,500 will survive, in the classical sense, for another century, and many fewer will make it on to the internet.

As a test of vitality, Kornai began where all research begins: Wikipedia. “Experience shows that Wikipedia is always among the very first active digital language communities, and can be safely used as an early indicator of some language actually crossing the digital divide,” Kornai writes. “Children, as soon as they start using computers for anything beyond gaming, become aware of Wikipedia, which offers a highly supportive environment of like-minded users, and lets everyone pursue a goal, summarizing human knowledge, that many find not just attractive, but in fact instrumental for establishing their language and culture in the digital realm. To summarize a key result of this study in advance: No wikipedia, no ascent.” There are 533 proposals for Wikipedia languages in incubator stage, more than twice the number of actual Wikipedias, but Kornai estimates no more than a third of them will ever get the required minimum of at least five active users and get enough pages to make it onto Wikipedia proper. [...] Kornai makes a compelling case for diversity and what we miss when a language disappears:
Each language reflects a unique world-view and culture complex, mirroring the manner in which a speech community has resolved its problems in dealing with the world, and has formulated its thinking, its system of philosophy and understanding of the world around it. In this, each language is the means of expression of the intangible cultural heritage of people, and it remains a reflection of this culture for some time even after the culture which underlies it decays and crumbles, often under the impact of an intrusive, powerful, usually metropolitan, different culture.
“Intrusive, powerful, usually metropolitan”—If he’d added in “vulgar” he’d have described the internet perfectly. [...] Kornai's fairly sure that this is the end of most of these languages. "Evidently, what we are witnessing is not just a massive die-off of the world’s languages, it is the final act of the Neolithic Revolution, with the urban agriculturalists moving on to a different, digital plane of existence, leaving the hunter-gatherers and nomad pastoralists behind," he wrote. Well, just as there are still hunter gatherers somewhere in the world today, pockets of these languages will remain where they always have: in the meat space. The internet might not be making room for all of the world's languages to have their own Wikipedia, but many will at least get their own Wikipedia page. Even when they're no longer spoken, the internet will no doubt maintain resources for preserving languages as subjects of study, so at the very least the wisdom in them won't be lost forever when the last speaker signs off.
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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by EricBarbour » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:55 pm

Mancunium wrote:Digital Language Death
PLOS One: link
You're repeating yourself. This paper came out last October and was already covered.

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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Mancunium » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:48 pm

EricBarbour wrote:
Mancunium wrote:Digital Language Death
PLOS One: link
You're repeating yourself. This paper came out last October and was already covered.
I read my own posts, and the information linked to from those posts.

There is more than one way to report and analyze information, and Motherboard published this particular report and original analysis by Ben Richmond today: 1 April 2014, at 06:30am.
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Re: Alemannic Wikipedia

Unread post by Johnny Au » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:03 am

...and the Internet brought Latin back to life.

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