Encyclopedia Dramatica, that bastardized version of Wikipedia, had a minor hiccup over the last 24 hours.
The controversial site used to be hosted on a server in Switzerland, but yesterday, according to associated Twitter and Facebook accounts, fell prey to a “DNS block.”
Hur hur. Idiots. I would believe that before any of this stuff about Brandt getting the DNS canceled.Update: In a Facebook comment, ED associates have denied Brandt had anything to do with their outage. Rather, it was due to their domain being frozen "because we didn't keep up our end of the nic.ch user agreement contract stating that we had to keep a mailing address and phone number in Switzerland," wrote an ED associate.
They've just changed it to a Swedish host. Change the .ch to .se. End of story.EricBarbour wrote:Hur hur. Idiots. I would believe that before any of this stuff about Brandt getting the DNS canceled.Update: In a Facebook comment, ED associates have denied Brandt had anything to do with their outage. Rather, it was due to their domain being frozen "because we didn't keep up our end of the nic.ch user agreement contract stating that we had to keep a mailing address and phone number in Switzerland," wrote an ED associate.
Do you find it curious that you take as much interest/glee in grave-dancing over ED's connection woes as Wikipedians once did over the WR's connection woes?EricBarbour wrote:Down again! Up an' down, up an' down, wheeee.
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David Gerard appears to be interested in the move as well. He loves ED:
[http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Talk:David_%20%20Gerard]http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Talk:David_Gerard[/url]
A handy tool; http://downorisitjustme.com/res.php?url ... amatica.seEricBarbour wrote:Just checked again--still down---their new Swedish hosting seems to have failed them. Oopsiedaisy.
Hmm, there appears to be a technical problem with this link you've posted, in that getting it to work might require me to move my wrist and my index finger in a really, really stupid way.Michaeldsuarez wrote:...I've publicly published the Emails...
Midsize Jake wrote:Hmm, there appears to be a technical problem with this link you've posted, in that getting it to work might require me to move my wrist and my index finger in a really, really stupid way.Michaeldsuarez wrote:...I've publicly published the Emails...
I don't suppose you could give us a quick two-sentence synopsis?
That's more than two sentences, but I'm using a Poetic License (as opposed to a Creative Commons License). If you replace "ED" with "Wikipedia," I predict Jimbo Wales will say the same thing when he flames out and leaves Wikipedia to rot without him.Sherrod the Creator of ED wrote:I have a grand plan to turn ED into a kinder, gentler place for peop... WHO THE FUCK IS POSTING THIS SHIT TO THE FUCKING PRESS!?! THIS IS A PRIVATE MAILING LIST! Whoever it is will SUFFFER!! I want User:X BANNED, that STUPID MOTHER@(*%$(@. I HATE HIM! I HATE HIM! I HATE HIM! Now the stupid motherfuckers are doing stupid things running all over the fucking Internet talking about my fucking happy grand plan! I HATE EVERYONE! I HATE ALL OF YOU! I can't take this SHIT! I want out! This SHIT is FUCKING OVER! GET IT?!?! OVER!
Yaaawwn.Michaeldsuarez wrote:If anyone is researching or writing about how and why Encyclopedia Dramatica ...
Quite. My curiosity got the better of me and I typed that link into an iPhone (no way am I letting that site touch my computer browser) and it still spawned popups and showed me closeups of graphic anal sex. Classy!Midsize Jake wrote:Hmm, there appears to be a technical problem with this link you've posted, in that getting it to work might require me to move my wrist and my index finger in a really, really stupid way.
1. Apparently someone named thayo leaked super secret unspecified things from a mailing list and made the ED owner sad.Midsize Jake wrote:I don't suppose you could give us a quick two-sentence synopsis?
By January 23, 2011, Encyclopedia Dramatica becomes too much for Sherrod to handle, so she shuts it down suddenly and leaves a brief message for the sysops. One of the persons responsible for ED's social media stuff Thayo posts "RIP" on Twitter and stirs up commotion and attention, and Sherrod didn't want either of them. Adrian Chen then publishes an article on Gawker. Chen contacts Sherrod, and Sherrod makes up a story and brings ED back up, which results in Chen rewriting the Gawker article. Sherrod then has Thayo banned from ED and its media pages. If it weren't for Thayo and Chen, the original ED would've probably had ceased to exist on January 23, 2011, instead of April 10 / 11, 2011.Midsize Jake wrote:I don't suppose you could give us a quick two-sentence synopsis?
I'm going to regret asking this, but why didn't she retire, start her new project elsewhere, and distance herself from ED? She could have been like Larry Sanger and gone on to greater things.Michaeldsuarez wrote:By January 23, 2011, Encyclopedia Dramatica becomes too much for Sherrod to handle, so she shuts it down suddenly and leaves a brief message for the sysops. One of the persons responsible for ED's social media stuff Thayo posts "RIP" on Twitter and stirs up commotion and attention, and Sherrod didn't want either of them. Adrian Chen then publishes an article on Gawker. Chen contacts Sherrod, and Sherrod makes up a story and brings ED back up, which results in Chen rewriting the Gawker article. Sherrod then has Thayo banned from ED and its media pages. If it weren't for Thayo and Chen, the original ED would've probably had ceased to exist on January 23, 2011, instead of April 10 / 11, 2011.Midsize Jake wrote:I don't suppose you could give us a quick two-sentence synopsis?
On the next day (January 24th), Sherrod unveils her plans for OhInternet privately to the sysops.She might've had the OhInternet idea in her head for a little while earlier, since she asked about Semantic MediaWiki on January 18th.
That was longer than two sentences.Michaeldsuarez wrote:By January 23, 2011, Encyclopedia Dramatica becomes too much for Sherrod to handle, so she shuts it down suddenly and leaves a brief message for the sysops. One of the persons responsible for ED's social media stuff Thayo posts "RIP" on Twitter and stirs up commotion and attention, and Sherrod didn't want either of them. Adrian Chen then publishes an article on Gawker. Chen contacts Sherrod, and Sherrod makes up a story and brings ED back up, which results in Chen rewriting the Gawker article. Sherrod then has Thayo banned from ED and its media pages. If it weren't for Thayo and Chen, the original ED would've probably had ceased to exist on January 23, 2011, instead of April 10 / 11, 2011.Midsize Jake wrote:I don't suppose you could give us a quick two-sentence synopsis?
On the next day (January 24th), Sherrod unveils her plans for OhInternet privately to the sysops.She might've had the OhInternet idea in her head for a little while earlier, since she asked about Semantic MediaWiki on January 18th.
Admittedly, it was a pretty hard slog, but these are things we have to endure on the off chance that interesting facts might emerge. However, in this case we still don't really know (or do we?) what stress factors had been imposed on Sherrod DiGrippo that caused her to decide ED was no longer worth operating, at least not in its then-current form - other than the simple fact that her identity (and, as I recall, physical location) was becoming more and more well-known to her victims. Even if that hadn't already led to lawsuits and other threats, she might have grown increasingly paranoid over time, if only because of her knowing that she was no longer as anonymous as she probably wanted to be.SB_Johnny wrote:Not that it matters, I was bored well before getting to the end of the first sentence.
That would be a good guess.Midsize Jake wrote:Admittedly, it was a pretty hard slog, but these are things we have to endure on the off chance that interesting facts might emerge. However, in this case we still don't really know (or do we?) what stress factors had been imposed on Sherrod DiGrippo that caused her to decide ED was no longer worth operating, at least not in its then-current form - other than the simple fact that her identity (and, as I recall, physical location) was becoming more and more well-known to her victims. Even if that hadn't already led to lawsuits and other threats, she might have grown increasingly paranoid over time, if only because of her knowing that she was no longer as anonymous as she probably wanted to be.SB_Johnny wrote:Not that it matters, I was bored well before getting to the end of the first sentence.
If I had to guess, I'd say someone probably threatened her. With what I don't know, but it's not like running the site was making her wealthy or popular anyway. It would have been an easy decision, even for someone with strong antisocial tendencies.
Her attempts to distance herself from the site (Joseph Evers, for instance) failed. She claimed she lived in fear because of ED, so it might have been an "I've had enough of this shit" moment.The Joy wrote: I'm going to regret asking this, but why didn't she retire, start her new project elsewhere, and distance herself from ED? She could have been like Larry Sanger and gone on to greater things.
Interesting to see that this was recognized right at the top level of ED management.Sherrod wrote:personal attack articles, tons of blatant and stupid racism, random played out 2007 style junk
Because the competition was Know Your Meme, who pwned them?mac wrote: I do not know why OhInternet was closed, but the rumors range from "OhI was unsuccessful", to "Encyclopediadramatica.com might return". Your guess is as good as mine.
Oh yeah. Don't let anyone assume Sherrod and Andy didn't know exactly what was going on.Hex wrote:Interesting to see that this was recognized right at the top level of ED management.Sherrod wrote:personal attack articles, tons of blatant and stupid racism, random played out 2007 style junk
Touche.Hex wrote:Interesting to see that this was recognized right at the top level of ED management.Sherrod wrote:personal attack articles, tons of blatant and stupid racism, random played out 2007 style junk
Because the competition was Know Your Meme, who pwned them?mac wrote: I do not know why OhInternet was closed, but the rumors range from "OhI was unsuccessful", to "Encyclopediadramatica.com might return". Your guess is as good as mine.
Encyclopedia Dramatica.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
A wretched hive of scum and villainy.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
So a nickname for en.Wikipedia?The Joy wrote:A wretched hive of scum and villainy.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
ED is dedicated to documenting "Internet drama" and engages in extreme scatological and hyperbolic "humor" (pictures of murdered people, lynchings, antisemitism, etc.). It started as a group on LiveJournal and was banned for harassment and general despicable behavior. This group created the original ED, which was later turned into a less-controversial website ("Oh! Internet") by ED's sole founder after she had a crisis of conscience (and due to continued harassment against her for hosting the darn thing). The current incarnation ED was formed by those against the sole founder's decision to change the site. It's a sewer just like the original and one of it's co-founders was arrested for illegal hacking. The current ED (like its predecessor) have troubles with malware, so don't go there without maximum anti-virus protection. That's the very short version off the top of my head.enwikibadscience wrote:So a nickname for en.Wikipedia?The Joy wrote:A wretched hive of scum and villainy.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
Not much more curiosity about it, just did not know what you were talking about.The Joy wrote:ED is dedicated to documenting "Internet drama" and engages in extreme scatological and hyperbolic "humor" (pictures of murdered people, lynchings, antisemitism, etc.). It started as a group on LiveJournal and was banned for harassment and general despicable behavior. This group created the original ED, which was later turned into a less-controversial website ("Oh! Internet") by ED's sole founder after she had a crisis of conscience (and due to continued harassment against her for hosting the darn thing). The current incarnation ED was formed by those against the sole founder's decision to change the site. It's a sewer just like the original and one of it's co-founders was arrested for illegal hacking. The current ED (like its predecessor) have troubles with malware, so don't go there without maximum anti-virus protection. That's the very short version off the top of my head.enwikibadscience wrote:So a nickname for en.Wikipedia?The Joy wrote:A wretched hive of scum and villainy.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
Michael and others could give you more details, if you desire. It may be best to do that via PM. We try not to intentionally harangue people known to hack websites.
There are over 9,000 reasons not to read ED...The Joy wrote:ED is dedicated to documenting "Internet drama" and engages in extreme scatological and hyperbolic "humor" (pictures of murdered people, lynchings, antisemitism, etc.). It started as a group on LiveJournal and was banned for harassment and general despicable behavior. This group created the original ED, which was later turned into a less-controversial website ("Oh! Internet") by ED's sole founder after she had a crisis of conscience (and due to continued harassment against her for hosting the darn thing). The current incarnation ED was formed by those against the sole founder's decision to change the site. It's a sewer just like the original and one of it's co-founders was arrested for illegal hacking. The current ED (like its predecessor) have troubles with malware, so don't go there without maximum anti-virus protection. That's the very short version off the top of my head.enwikibadscience wrote:So a nickname for en.Wikipedia?The Joy wrote:A wretched hive of scum and villainy.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
Michael and others could give you more details, if you desire. It may be best to do that via PM. We try not to intentionally harangue people known to hack websites.
Better known as schadenfreude.The Joy wrote:ED is dedicated to documenting "Internet drama" and engages in extreme scatological and hyperbolic "humor" (pictures of murdered people, lynchings, antisemitism, etc.).
LJDrama.The Joy wrote:It started as a group on LiveJournal and was banned for harassment and general despicable behavior.
Sherrod DeGrippo, specifically. Brandt was the ultimate malefactor with regard to getting ed.com shut down, in what could quite generously be described as a Pyrrhic victory.The Joy wrote:This group created the original ED, which was later turned into a less-controversial website ("Oh! Internet") by ED's sole founder after she had a crisis of conscience (and due to continued harassment against her for hosting the darn thing).
No, Anonymous did the lion's share of restoration. Even the most inept are entitled to a victory here and there.The Joy wrote:The current incarnation ED was formed by those against the sole founder's decision to change the site.
Honorable men may differ. Ryan's arrest for DDOSing was the beginning of the end for Anonymous' involvement, after which ED was returned to veteran editors loyal to the cause.The Joy wrote:It's a sewer just like the original and one of it's co-founders was arrested for illegal hacking.
No? Even without SELinux or NoScript, my Windows box has never been compromised. I suppose there is some small measure of truth to it, however, as a handful of such claims have been made.The Joy wrote:The current ED (like its predecessor) have troubles with malware, so don't go there without maximum anti-virus protection.
I had an LJ account way, way back in the mists of time. Occasionally I'd take a look at LJDrama and think "Jesus Christ, these people need to go outside."Herbert West wrote:LJDrama.The Joy wrote:It started as a group on LiveJournal and was banned for harassment and general despicable behavior.
Yes. All the worst players of the bad old years appeared on it. Whether it was them writing about each other, or just a few people writing about them from the sidelines, I could never tell. But looking at those pages today provides an invaluable insight about the poisonous atmosphere of that era.EricBarbour wrote: For its first few years ED was part and parcel of the Wikipedia "community", whether they admit it or not.
I've never had a shred of trouble with it. I have Adblock installed (likewise, on Windows), so this makes me think that whatever these problems are, they're being served from ads. The actual site's content? Seems fine.Herbert West wrote:No? Even without SELinux or NoScript, my Windows box has never been compromised. I suppose there is some small measure of truth to it, however, as a handful of such claims have been made.The Joy wrote:The current ED (like its predecessor) have troubles with malware, so don't go there without maximum anti-virus protection.
I had to get one of those oversighted, and the original request was denied, so I had to appeal to a second brain-dead-basement-dwelling-12-year-old and got an adult the second time, by accident, and he was so shocked at the initial failure that he could not sycophant in the cc'ed reply.The Joy wrote:Getting away fromlest Michael go
The scariest userpages to me are those that basically scream "I am a young child on Wikipedia with no understanding whatsoever on Internet safety." Even scarier is not knowing if those pages really belong to actual children or pedophiles posing as children to lure other children. I wouldn't necessarily ban my child from ever editing Wikipedia, but I would set clear rules and make sure I could monitor his/her interactions. Unfortunately, not many children on the Web today understand the danger of the Pedobear (T-H-L) and have parents/guardians watching them.
See also...Zoloft wrote:Encyclopedia Dramatica.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
I now know what ED is. I had looked at it years ago. It is irrelevant to me. Thanks for all the answers.Hersch wrote:See also...Zoloft wrote:Encyclopedia Dramatica.enwikibadscience wrote:What's ED?
Not to me. A surprising amount of Wikipedia's internal history was preserved on ED. Most of the hard information was lost when Sherrod dumped it and Ryan Cleary and his little lost boys took it over in 2010.enwikibadscience wrote:It is irrelevant to me.
Do you think it's better or worse now? At least the trains ran on time when the cabals were around... now the trains either never come at all or seem to have nothing between the locomotive and the caboose when they arrive a year late and a ria stone short..Hex wrote:All the worst players of the bad old years appeared on it. Whether it was them writing about each other, or just a few people writing about them from the sidelines, I could never tell. But looking at those pages today provides an invaluable insight about the poisonous atmosphere of that era.
And the trains were Jewish, pro-Israel, aggressively LGBT friendly, hostile to Scientology/TM/whatever, favorable to Prem Rawat, raving about NLP, favorable to bestiality, hated global-warming critics, hated 9/11 and other conspiracy theories (covered a lot of forgotten ground there), etc. etc.SB_Johnny wrote:Do you think it's better or worse now? At least the trains ran on time when the cabals were around... now the trains either never come at all or seem to have nothing between the locomotive and the caboose when they arrive a year late and a stone short..
"And the trains were Jewish..."EricBarbour wrote:And the trains were Jewish, pro-Israel, aggressively LGBT friendly, hostile to Scientology/TM/whatever, favorable to Prem Rawat, raving about NLP, favorable to bestiality, hated global-warming critics, hated 9/11 and other conspiracy theories (covered a lot of forgotten ground there), etc. etc.SB_Johnny wrote:Do you think it's better or worse now? At least the trains ran on time when the cabals were around... now the trains either never come at all or seem to have nothing between the locomotive and the caboose when they arrive a year late and a stone short..
And had big signs on the side reading "JIMBO WAS THE SOLE FOUNDER" and "LARRY SANGER DOES NOT EXIST".
Pretty funny trains.
He means that one of the more significant "cabals" during the 2004-2008 period (and arguably, to this day) existed to promote the interests of Israel, Judaism, and the Jewish diaspora in general, for better or worse. Mr. Barbour isn't anti-semitic, and he isn't saying they were bad people, though they have engaged in some very shady tactics on Wikipedia over the years.charliemouse wrote:"And the trains were Jewish..."
Huh?
or , my point in bringing the subject back is that there were attempts to make a Dramatica for whole family. There was "WhatPort80", which appeared near the end of the original ED, and then there was the longer-lived "Oh, Internet", which winked out of existence last year. Both tried to do Encyclopaedia Dramatica without the barf-inducing images and all the Jew jokes, and they failed because the sort of people who waste time on ED love the gross-out elements and the racism. Following the lead of her two failed wanna-EDs, Sherrod DeGrippo's blog (http://www.sherrod.im/) is extremely dull.And Reddit isn't a big enough asshole loser dungeon for the web? I always thought it was so nice to have so many occupied with each other.EricBarbour wrote:Tsk, Sherrod finally got tired of the old "satire" bit. Whether she likes it or not, I suspect that ED, her "greatest creation", will likely outlive her. The Net evidently cannot exist without a dungeon for its premier assholes.
Are you talking about the writers or the subject matter? ED expanded beyond the "camwhore dramah queens" of LiveJournal; they now hit "Internet celebrities" (video reviewers like James "The Angry Videogame Nerd" Rolfe or Noah "Spoony" Antwiler), countries (every entry sounds like a drunk P.J. O'Rourke), and all the other "encyclopedic" subject matter of Wikipedia. That's what DiGrippo hated, that the project was expanding beyond mocking people like Boxxy, and that's why she tried to scale it back with "WP80" and "Oh, Internet."EricBarbour wrote:Tsk, Sherrod finally got tired of the old "satire" bit. Whether she likes it or not, I suspect that ED, her "greatest creation", will likely outlive her. The Net evidently cannot exist without a dungeon for its premier assholes.
First rule of Fight Club: do not talk about Fight Club. Second rule of Fight Club: do not talk about Fight Club.enwikibadscience wrote:And Reddit isn't a big enough asshole loser dungeon for the web? I always thought it was so nice to have so many occupied with each other.
