Stierlitz wrote:I agree with the snark....my problem is that they remind me of people at a yacht club combined with a snooty museum docent. They really aren't helping science education and they aren't making disbelievers out of the Fundamentalist Christians they somewhat resemble.
Fundamentally the issue with skeptics is that they don't appear to understand that some people really do want to believe. When you're dealing with someone who wants to believe, no amount of objective evidence will convince them
not to believe, so no matter how eloquently, forcefully, or repetitively you make your points, the other party is not going to change their mind. Some of them claim that they engage in such pointless battles "for the sake of convincing onlookers", but my experience is that the real reason is because they gain enjoyment from hounding believers (for whom they have a panoply of demeaning names) for their belief. In other words, it's a form of bullying. The aggressiveness of their hounding makes them appear vicious and nasty to uninvolved observers, and tends to confirm the faith of believers, who view the attacks as faith-derived persecution, which in most religions serves as validation.
I'm fairly open about being a secular agnostic (I actually identify as an "apatheist": one for whom whether or not gods exist is a unimportant question), and this has gotten me occasionally invited into online atheist groups. I usually get kicked out after a while for being too friendly toward believers, and I've stopped accepting such invitations.