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Wkipedia's "Barbara Lerner Spectre" article has an unsourced "controversy" section. The only people who believe that there's a controversy are white nationalists (e.g. the people running Metapedia). Even if sources exist, it's the opinion of a fringe group and shouldn't included. The "Controversy" section of the article, as well as the "In 2010 ..." paragraph, should be removed.

P.S. Metapedia's article on Barbara Spectre was created by "Basileus", who writes hit pieces on Metapedia, including articles on eleven Wikipedians. What do we know about "Basileus"? Was he or she a former Wikipedian? What motivated him or her into creating articles on so many Wikipedians?


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Sorted.


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Wkipedia's "Barbara Lerner Spectre" article has an unsourced "controversy" section. The only people who believe that there's a controversy are white nationalists (e.g. the people running Metapedia). Even if sources exist, it's the opinion of a fringe group and shouldn't included. The "Controversy" section of the article, as well as the "In 2010 ..." paragraph, should be removed.

P.S. Metapedia's article on Barbara Spectre was created by "Basileus", who writes hit pieces on Metapedia, including articles on eleven Wikipedians. What do we know about "Basileus"? Was he or she a former Wikipedian? What motivated him or her into creating articles on so many Wikipedians?


Hey! It was sourced to a YouTube video. Ease up! :blink:


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Michaeldsuarez wrote:
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P.S. Metapedia's article on Barbara Spectre was created by "Basileus", who writes hit pieces on Metapedia, including articles on eleven Wikipedians. What do we know about "Basileus"? Was he or she a former Wikipedian? What motivated him or her into creating articles on so many Wikipedians?


And briefly socking as JeffLB (T-C-L)?


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Sorted.


Thanks.


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And briefly socking as JeffLB (T-C-L)?


Besides some shared interest in certain topics, I don't see any connection between JeffLB and Basileus.


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I think that Basileus might've been Yorkshirian (T-C-L). Compare the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=349678146&oldid=349677145 (March 13, 2010)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=68011&oldid=65170 (March 20, 2010)

Basileus didn't copy the March 20, 2010 version of the article to Metapedia, so he or she must've been aware of the edit warring that occurred several days earlier. Of the participants in the edit war, Yorkshirian seems to be the most promising suspect. The "Basileus" account on Metapedia was created a day after Yorkshirian was banned from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AYorkshirian&type=block

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&page=User%3ABasileus


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I think that Basileus might've been Yorkshirian (T-C-L). Compare the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=349678146&oldid=349677145 (March 13, 2010)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=68011&oldid=65170 (March 20, 2010)

Basileus didn't copy the March 20, 2010 version of the article to Metapedia, so he or she must've been aware of the edit warring that occurred several days earlier. Of the participants in the edit war, Yorkshirian seems to be the most promising suspect. The "Basileus" account on Metapedia was created a day after Yorkshirian was banned from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AYorkshirian&type=block

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&page=User%3ABasileus


Yorkshirian and Basileus also share an interest in medieval history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_of_Plantagenet&offset=20100314000000&action=history

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=House_of_Plantagenet&action=history


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And briefly socking as JeffLB (T-C-L)?


Besides some shared interest in certain topics, I don't see any connection between JeffLB and Basileus.


I looked up Basileus, and it appears that he/she does a lot of white supremacist promotions, the basic areas that JeffLB edited on en.Wikipedia. However, just speculation from a quick glance.


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I think that Basileus might've been Yorkshirian (T-C-L). Compare the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=349678146&oldid=349677145 (March 13, 2010)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=68011&oldid=65170 (March 20, 2010)

The "Basileus" account on Metapedia was created a day after Yorkshirian was banned from Wikipedia:



As Wikipedia plagiarizes so much of its content, similarity of style is difficult to use; but, the day after account creation is a nice observation.


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The first Wikipedia-related hit piece that Basileus wrote was on Chip Berlet. Basileus believes that Chip Berlet and "The_Four_Deuces" are the same person:

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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Four_Deuces Berlet at Wikipedia]


I have a hunch that Yorkshirian also believed that Chip Berlet and "The_Four_Deuces" were the same person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&offset=20100313000000&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AYorkshirian&diff=349502620&oldid=349501969

I believe that I've seen enough to conclude that Basileus was Yorkshirian on Wikipedia.


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Given that the picture of me with a pisstaking caption was taken off there without any requests from me, not entirely.


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Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?

Wikipediocracy is a big tent.

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Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?
Wikipediocracy is a big tent.

And ED is fading slowly away, don't forget.......

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More evidence that Yorkshirian = Basileus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MRSC/Archive_11&diff=210423109&oldid=210142040

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I put that strange word ''vertified'' into an advanced search on User and Talk. I came up with another user who has contributed to Yorkshire articles. Curiouser and curiouser.--[[User:Harkey Lodger|Harkey Lodger]] ([[User talk:Harkey Lodger|talk]]) 21:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Yorkshirian

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Note the use of the word ''vertified''.


There's only a single instance of the word "vertified" in the whole of Metapedia, and Basileus is responsible for that instance.


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The userboxes of Yorkshirian's sockpuppet Gennarous:

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This user is a Hellenophile.


Note the presence of fascist Golden Dawn symbol.

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This user is interested in the Byzantine Empire


"Basileus" was the title used by the Byzantine Emperors. The "Gennarous" account also engaged in edit wars with Cberlet, and Basileus later created a Metapedia hit piece on Chip Berlet.


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What a surprise. JeffLB (T-C-L), who inserted the quote in the first place, diff, wandered back after a period of not editing for nearly three months to revert me, diff, and didn't even bother to leave an edit summary.


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And is constantly re-adding it. Yey.


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And is constantly re-adding it. Yey.


Try communicating with him. He already started a talk page discussion. If that doesn't work, there's already the BLP noticeboard.

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Here is a note I received from Lukeno94 on Dec. 13, 2013 about my adding the quote from BLS from the Israel Broadcasting Authority video, The Jews of Sweden: "This is your last warning. The next time you add defamatory content, as you did at Barbara Lerner Spectre, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Lukeno94" Firstly, I documented that BLS said those words on the Israel Broadcasting Authority video, The Jews of Sweden. Secondly, if you Google BLS you will find most of the first pages results allude to this quote. How is it defamatory to accurately quote someone about something they said that is generating a lot or most of the current interest in her? What am I missing? Or what is Lukeno94 missing? [[User:JeffLB|JeffLB]] ([[User talk:JeffLB|talk]]) 17:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


Yes, she said stuff, but it isn't Wikipedia's job to record every word a person's says. Wikipedia should only contain information on notable events. JeffLB's claims that the video is notable enough to include is original research; there needs to be reliable, secondary sources.


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Here's the new Encyclopedia Dramatica article on "Basileus" / "Yorkshirian".


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Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?

no, you're not.


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Good research, good article.

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http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Chip_Berlet
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He began his political life in Chicago as a cheerleader for the totalitarian Stalinist regime of Enver Hoxha in Albania, with the Chicago Area Friends of Albania. He has an obsession with fellow communist Lyndon LaRouche.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=594444403&oldid=586107963:

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== Barbara Lerner Spectre quote from Israel Broadcasting Authority video ==

[Anti-Semitic bullshit]

Hasbara patrols? http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia%27s_Hasbara <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.136.53.238|50.136.53.238]] ([[User talk:50.136.53.238|talk]]) 00:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

I'm going to have to create an ED article about that place. It's apparently owned by someone called "Peter Presland".


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Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

I'm going to have to create an ED article about that place. It's apparently owned by someone called "Peter Presland".


I'm sort of disappointed that Presland only made two revisions to enwiki under his "Sabretache" alias.

Edit: This isn't "outing". Sabretache publicly states that he's Presland on mediawiki.org.


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Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

Ahem:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Morag_Kerr#Soixante-neuf

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That article was written by conspiracy theorist Patrick Haseldine who apparently hangs out with and absorbs the ideas of other Internet conspiracy theorists. He apparently believes that SlimVirgin's real name is Morag Kerr rather than Linda Mack. Eric, I wouldn't place too much faith in what he or WikiSpooks has to say. WikiSpooks is a wiki for crazy ideas and crazy people.


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Michaeldsuarez wrote:
Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

Ahem:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Morag_Kerr#Soixante-neuf

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When I've spoken to a friend of mine who's a veterinary lecturer... (She also reports that she has been accused of being a sock of Slim Virgin.)


Morag once bought her mother Anne_Sharp (T-H-L) a then new biography of Anne's former colleague Benjamin Britten. A few day's later Anne rung Morag to say how shocking it was that certain things were suggested about "Ben and Peter" (Pears). She had always thought that they were simply not the marrying type. Anne was the clergy-marrying type. I do wonder what she would have thought of various Wikipedia and Commons-types.


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A Wikipedian called "Hannibalcaesar" recently posted a comment on the talk page. Look at the contents of Hannibalcaesar's userpage:

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allegiance=[[White people]], [[culture of Europe]]

This user favors absolute monarchy.

This user supports the restoration of the Tsar and the Russian Empire as a Constitutional Monarchy.

This user is a modern imperialist and believes in the re-establishment of the British Empire.


And that's just the stuff that he or she didn't recently remove from his or her userpage. Here's the content that Hannibalcaesar posted to his userpage but recently tried to conceal:

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This was a time when Europe was 100% white. It was decent, noble, and pure.

I like to study this topic from the German point of view.

1882. A whiter, saner Europe

1909. A whiter, saner Europe and America


I hope that the Wikipedians are wise enough to not allow neo-Nazis such as Hannibalcaesar influence the article.


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... he or she ...

As the resident Wikipediocracy sexist, let me fix that for you... it's a "he". Women aren't so disgusting as that.

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Results, although I can't be certain whether Lizzy_B52 acted because I bumped this thread back to the top of the sub-forum or not. @Lizzy_B52: If you're reading this, thank you.


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I hope that the Wikipedians are wise enough to not allow neo-Nazis such as Hannibalcaesar influence the article.

What an optimist!

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Michaeldsuarez wrote:
... he or she ...

As the resident Wikipediocracy sexist, let me fix that for you... it's a "he". Women aren't so disgusting as that.


You look too short-sighted to me to know the difference, K. Some sort of cogenital problem I should imagine (that's not a spelling mistake).


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And is constantly re-adding it. Yey.


JeffLB is back and is reverting Lizzy_B52's good work. All of JeffLB's revisions and comments to enwiki since May 2013 had been connected to that video. He's been at this (and nothing else) for nearly a year. JeffLB is presently a single-purpose, POV-pushing account, and enwiki's moderators ought to treat him as such. JeffLB is obviously a crypto-neo-Nazi; otherwise, he wouldn't be so obsessed with trying to insert information about an obscure video that only neo-Nazis care and complain about into the article.


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All of JeffLB's revisions and comments to enwiki since May 2013 had been connected to that video. He's been at this (and nothing else) for nearly a year. JeffLB is presently a single-purpose, POV-pushing account, and enwiki's moderators ought to treat him as such. JeffLB is obviously a crypto-neo-Nazi; otherwise, he wouldn't be so obsessed with trying to insert information about an obscure video that only neo-Nazis care and complain about into the article.

But if you don't allow crypto-neo-Nazis to introduce their viewpoint into articles, how can NPOV be upheld?

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