Barbara Lerner Spectre "controversy"

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:07 pm

Wkipedia's "Barbara Lerner Spectre" article has an unsourced "controversy" section. The only people who believe that there's a controversy are white nationalists (e.g. the people running Metapedia). Even if sources exist, it's the opinion of a fringe group and shouldn't included. The "Controversy" section of the article, as well as the "In 2010 ..." paragraph, should be removed.

P.S. Metapedia's article on Barbara Spectre was created by "Basileus", who writes hit pieces on Metapedia, including articles on eleven Wikipedians. What do we know about "Basileus"? Was he or she a former Wikipedian? What motivated him or her into creating articles on so many Wikipedians?

Lukeno94 · Unread post by **Lukeno94** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:00 pm

Sorted.

enwikibadscience · Unread post by **enwikibadscience** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:52 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:Wkipedia's "Barbara Lerner Spectre" article has an unsourced "controversy" section. The only people who believe that there's a controversy are white nationalists (e.g. the people running Metapedia). Even if sources exist, it's the opinion of a fringe group and shouldn't included. The "Controversy" section of the article, as well as the "In 2010 ..." paragraph, should be removed.

P.S. Metapedia's article on Barbara Spectre was created by "Basileus", who writes hit pieces on Metapedia, including articles on eleven Wikipedians. What do we know about "Basileus"? Was he or she a former Wikipedian? What motivated him or her into creating articles on so many Wikipedians?

Hey! It was sourced to a YouTube video. Ease up!

enwikibadscience · Unread post by **enwikibadscience** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:10 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:.

P.S. Metapedia's article on Barbara Spectre was created by "Basileus", who writes hit pieces on Metapedia, including articles on eleven Wikipedians. What do we know about "Basileus"? Was he or she a former Wikipedian? What motivated him or her into creating articles on so many Wikipedians?

And briefly socking as JeffLB (T-C-L)?

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:55 pm

Lukeno94 wrote:Sorted.

Thanks.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:07 pm

enwikibadscience wrote:And briefly socking as JeffLB (T-C-L)?

Besides some shared interest in certain topics, I don't see any connection between JeffLB and Basileus.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:28 pm

I think that Basileus might've been Yorkshirian (T-C-L). Compare the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=349678146&oldid=349677145 (March 13, 2010)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=68011&oldid=65170 (March 20, 2010)

Basileus didn't copy the March 20, 2010 version of the article to Metapedia, so he or she must've been aware of the edit warring that occurred several days earlier. Of the participants in the edit war, Yorkshirian seems to be the most promising suspect. The "Basileus" account on Metapedia was created a day after Yorkshirian was banned from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AYorkshirian&type=block

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&page=User%3ABasileus

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:43 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:I think that Basileus might've been Yorkshirian (T-C-L). Compare the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=349678146&oldid=349677145 (March 13, 2010)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=68011&oldid=65170 (March 20, 2010)

Basileus didn't copy the March 20, 2010 version of the article to Metapedia, so he or she must've been aware of the edit warring that occurred several days earlier. Of the participants in the edit war, Yorkshirian seems to be the most promising suspect. The "Basileus" account on Metapedia was created a day after Yorkshirian was banned from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AYorkshirian&type=block

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&page=User%3ABasileus

Yorkshirian and Basileus also share an interest in medieval history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_of_Plantagenet&offset=20100314000000&action=history

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=House_of_Plantagenet&action=history

enwikibadscience · Unread post by **enwikibadscience** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:55 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:
enwikibadscience wrote:And briefly socking as JeffLB (T-C-L)?
Besides some shared interest in certain topics, I don't see any connection between JeffLB and Basileus.

I looked up Basileus, and it appears that he/she does a lot of white supremacist promotions, the basic areas that JeffLB edited on en.Wikipedia. However, just speculation from a quick glance.

enwikibadscience · Unread post by **enwikibadscience** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:58 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:I think that Basileus might've been Yorkshirian (T-C-L). Compare the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=349678146&oldid=349677145 (March 13, 2010)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=British_National_Party&diff=68011&oldid=65170 (March 20, 2010)

The "Basileus" account on Metapedia was created a day after Yorkshirian was banned from Wikipedia:

As Wikipedia plagiarizes so much of its content, similarity of style is difficult to use; but, the day after account creation is a nice observation.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:34 pm

The first Wikipedia-related hit piece that Basileus wrote was on Chip Berlet. Basileus believes that Chip Berlet and "The_Four_Deuces" are the same person:

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==External links==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Four_Deuces Berlet at Wikipedia]

I have a hunch that Yorkshirian also believed that Chip Berlet and "The_Four_Deuces" were the same person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&offset=20100313000000&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AYorkshirian&diff=349502620&oldid=349501969

I believe that I've seen enough to conclude that Basileus was Yorkshirian on Wikipedia.

culeaker · Unread post by **culeaker** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:13 pm

Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?

Lukeno94 · Unread post by **Lukeno94** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:50 pm

Given that the picture of me with a pisstaking caption was taken off there without any requests from me, not entirely.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:14 am

culeaker wrote:Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?

Wikipediocracy is a big tent.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:18 am

Zoloft wrote:
culeaker wrote:Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?
Wikipediocracy is a big tent.

And ED is fading slowly away, don't forget.......

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:42 am

More evidence that Yorkshirian = Basileus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MRSC/Archive_11&diff=210423109&oldid=210142040

I put that strange word ''vertified'' into an advanced search on User and Talk. I came up with another user who has contributed to Yorkshire articles. Curiouser and curiouser.--[[User:Harkey Lodger|Harkey Lodger]] ([[User talk:Harkey Lodger|talk]]) 21:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Yorkshirian

Note the use of the word ''vertified''.

There's only a single instance of the word "vertified" in the whole of Metapedia, and Basileus is responsible for that instance.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:50 am

The userboxes of Yorkshirian's sockpuppet Gennarous:

This user is a Hellenophile.

Note the presence of fascist Golden Dawn symbol.

This user is interested in the Byzantine Empire

"Basileus" was the title used by the Byzantine Emperors. The "Gennarous" account also engaged in edit wars with Cberlet, and Basileus later created a Metapedia hit piece on Chip Berlet.

Lukeno94 · Unread post by **Lukeno94** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:50 am

What a surprise. JeffLB (T-C-L), who inserted the quote in the first place, diff, wandered back after a period of not editing for nearly three months to revert me, diff, and didn't even bother to leave an edit summary.

Lukeno94 · Unread post by **Lukeno94** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:02 pm

And is constantly re-adding it. Yey.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:27 pm

Lukeno94 wrote:And is constantly re-adding it. Yey.

Try communicating with him. He already started a talk page discussion. If that doesn't work, there's already the BLP noticeboard.

JeffLB wrote:Here is a note I received from Lukeno94 on Dec. 13, 2013 about my adding the quote from BLS from the Israel Broadcasting Authority video, The Jews of Sweden: "This is your last warning. The next time you add defamatory content, as you did at Barbara Lerner Spectre, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Lukeno94" Firstly, I documented that BLS said those words on the Israel Broadcasting Authority video, The Jews of Sweden. Secondly, if you Google BLS you will find most of the first pages results allude to this quote. How is it defamatory to accurately quote someone about something they said that is generating a lot or most of the current interest in her? What am I missing? Or what is Lukeno94 missing? [[User:JeffLB|JeffLB]] ([[User talk:JeffLB|talk]]) 17:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, she said stuff, but it isn't Wikipedia's job to record every word a person's says. Wikipedia should only contain information on notable events. JeffLB's claims that the video is notable enough to include is original research; there needs to be reliable, secondary sources.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:15 pm

Here's the new Encyclopedia Dramatica article on "Basileus" / "Yorkshirian".

TungstenCarbide · Unread post by **TungstenCarbide** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:26 pm

culeaker wrote:Am I the only person who finds the idea of an ED admin worrying about BLP violations to be totally surreal?

no, you're not.

Mancunium · Unread post by **Mancunium** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:31 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:Here's the new Encyclopedia Dramatica article on "Basileus" / "Yorkshirian".

Good research, good article.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:42 pm

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Chip_Berlet

He began his political life in Chicago as a cheerleader for the totalitarian Stalinist regime of Enver Hoxha in Albania, with the Chicago Area Friends of Albania. He has an obsession with fellow communist Lyndon LaRouche.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:25 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=594444403&oldid=586107963:

== Barbara Lerner Spectre quote from Israel Broadcasting Authority video ==

[Anti-Semitic bullshit]

Hasbara patrols? http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikipedia%27s_Hasbara <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.136.53.238|50.136.53.238]] ([[User talk:50.136.53.238|talk]]) 00:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)</span>

Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

I'm going to have to create an ED article about that place. It's apparently owned by someone called "Peter Presland".

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:20 am

Michaeldsuarez wrote:Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

I'm going to have to create an ED article about that place. It's apparently owned by someone called "Peter Presland".

I'm sort of disappointed that Presland only made two revisions to enwiki under his "Sabretache" alias.

Edit: This isn't "outing". Sabretache publicly states that he's Presland on mediawiki.org.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:34 am

Michaeldsuarez wrote:Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:

Ahem:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Morag_Kerr#Soixante-neuf

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:06 am

EricBarbour wrote:Ahem:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Morag_Kerr#Soixante-neuf

That article was written by conspiracy theorist Patrick Haseldine who apparently hangs out with and absorbs the ideas of other Internet conspiracy theorists. He apparently believes that SlimVirgin's real name is Morag Kerr rather than Linda Mack. Eric, I wouldn't place too much faith in what he or WikiSpooks has to say. WikiSpooks is a wiki for crazy ideas and crazy people.

eppur si muove · Unread post by **eppur si muove** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:37 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:Oh, wow, WikiSpooks:
Ahem:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Morag_Kerr#Soixante-neuf

Ahem

I wrote:When I've spoken to a friend of mine who's a veterinary lecturer... (She also reports that she has been accused of being a sock of Slim Virgin.)

Morag once bought her mother Anne_Sharp (T-H-L) a then new biography of Anne's former colleague Benjamin Britten. A few day's later Anne rung Morag to say how shocking it was that certain things were suggested about "Ben and Peter" (Pears). She had always thought that they were simply not the marrying type. Anne was the clergy-marrying type. I do wonder what she would have thought of various Wikipedia and Commons-types.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:09 am

A Wikipedian called "Hannibalcaesar" recently posted a comment on the talk page. Look at the contents of Hannibalcaesar's userpage:

Hannibalcaesar wrote:allegiance=[[White people]], [[culture of Europe]]

This user favors absolute monarchy.

This user supports the restoration of the Tsar and the Russian Empire as a Constitutional Monarchy.

This user is a modern imperialist and believes in the re-establishment of the British Empire.

And that's just the stuff that he or she didn't recently remove from his or her userpage. Here's the content that Hannibalcaesar posted to his userpage but recently tried to conceal:

This was a time when Europe was 100% white. It was decent, noble, and pure.

I like to study this topic from the German point of view.

1882. A whiter, saner Europe

1909. A whiter, saner Europe and America

I hope that the Wikipedians are wise enough to not allow neo-Nazis such as Hannibalcaesar influence the article.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:22 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:... he or she ...

As the resident Wikipediocracy sexist, let me fix that for you... it's a "he". Women aren't so disgusting as that.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:04 pm

Results, although I can't be certain whether Lizzy_B52 acted because I bumped this thread back to the top of the sub-forum or not. @Lizzy_B52: If you're reading this, thank you.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:58 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:I hope that the Wikipedians are wise enough to not allow neo-Nazis such as Hannibalcaesar influence the article.

What an optimist!

Coat of Many Colours · Unread post by **Coat of Many Colours** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:04 am

thekohser wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:... he or she ...
As the resident Wikipediocracy sexist, let me fix that for you... it's a "he". Women aren't so disgusting as that.

You look too short-sighted to me to know the difference, K. Some sort of cogenital problem I should imagine (that's not a spelling mistake).

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:28 am

Lukeno94 wrote:And is constantly re-adding it. Yey.

JeffLB is back and is reverting Lizzy_B52's good work. All of JeffLB's revisions and comments to enwiki since May 2013 had been connected to that video. He's been at this (and nothing else) for nearly a year. JeffLB is presently a single-purpose, POV-pushing account, and enwiki's moderators ought to treat him as such. JeffLB is obviously a crypto-neo-Nazi; otherwise, he wouldn't be so obsessed with trying to insert information about an obscure video that only neo-Nazis care and complain about into the article.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:19 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:All of JeffLB's revisions and comments to enwiki since May 2013 had been connected to that video. He's been at this (and nothing else) for nearly a year. JeffLB is presently a single-purpose, POV-pushing account, and enwiki's moderators ought to treat him as such. JeffLB is obviously a crypto-neo-Nazi; otherwise, he wouldn't be so obsessed with trying to insert information about an obscure video that only neo-Nazis care and complain about into the article.

But if you don't allow crypto-neo-Nazis to introduce their viewpoint into articles, how can NPOV be upheld?

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:03 pm

A vandal caused a well-meaning anon to remove an entire paragraph. Here's the sequence of events:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=682330231&oldid=681414070

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=682381935&oldid=682330231

The anon apparently believed that the whole paragraph was vandalism when the vandal merely changed a single word. Both revisions should be reverted.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:36 pm

Zumoarirodoka recreated the "controversy" section. On the bright side, Zumoarirodoka isn't a rightist and understands the nature of the source he or she is using, but on the downside, he or she is still using that source and has created a section that can easily become what Wikipedia term a "coatrack" for anti-Semitics to abuse.

P.S. When is someone going to remove the obvious "married her father" vandalism? LeesaaSlipsun has been publishing a bunch of subtle, low-key vandalism across several pages since September 28th, yet the only "person" to do anything about it was a bot.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:53 am

Michaeldsuarez wrote:Zumoarirodoka recreated the "controversy" section. On the bright side, Zumoarirodoka isn't a rightist and understands the nature of the source he or she is using, but on the downside, he or she is still using that source and has created a section that can easily become what Wikipedia term a "coatrack" for anti-Semitics to abuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=684522617&oldid=684489983

Thanks, Stanistani, although that left a "controversy" section without references.

Michaeldsuarez wrote:P.S. When is someone going to remove the obvious "married her father" vandalism? LeesaaSlipsun has been publishing a bunch of subtle, low-key vandalism across several pages since September 28th, yet the only "person" to do anything about it was a bot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=684489983&oldid=684376825

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tories_%28British_political_party%29&diff=684490456&oldid=683915620

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_David_Manning&diff=684492245&oldid=684392646

Thanks, Yngvadottir.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:14 pm

The section has been removed again, but what's interesting is this attempt to restore the section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=712368863

Nikolas Ojala wrote:Undid revision 712363089 by Brustopher (talk) Why remove such a fine quote?

Hmm, what a strange thing to say.

Looking through his contributions, Nikolas Ojala appears to be an eugenics apologist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Galton&diff=556015901

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Galton&diff=575640351

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eugenics&diff=596267775

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eugenics&diff=641173644

Nikolas Ojala also appears to be a Benjamin Freedman apologist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Benjamin_H._Freedman&diff=646341233

Nikolas Ojala wrote:No it is not. Anti-semitism refers to the fact that there are [[Semitic people]]. I would accept a claim that [[Adolf Hitler|Hitler]], [[Josef Goebbels|Goebbels]] and [[Heinrich Himmler|Himmler]] were anti-semitists. Anti-Zionism refers to the fact that there is a political ideology called as [[Zionism]], comparable to other political ideologies. So, it should be obvious that because being a Semite does not equal being a Zionist, then Anti-Zionism is not an euphemism for Anti-Semitism. If someone misuses these words, that is another issue. ——[[User:Nikolas Ojala|Nikolas Ojala]] ([[User talk:Nikolas Ojala|talk]]) 12:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Also of interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_The_Walt_Disney_Company&diff=605426882

Nikolas Ojala wrote:*Nationalists have criticized the company about flipping upside-down the original values of the company after the deaths of [[Walt Disney]] and [[Roy O. Disney|Roy Disney]].<ref>{{cite journal |last= Miller |first= Merlin |date= 3 March 2011 |title= Walt Disney and the American Dream |url= http://barnesreview.org/pdf/TBR2011-no2-4-10.pdf |journal= The Barnes Review |publisher= |volume= XVII |issue= 2 |pages= 4–9 |doi= |accessdate=23 April 2014 |quote= The Disney empire is all about money now, and the not-so-subtle subversion of Walt’s world. Its contemporary films, television shows, music productions and merchandise are increasingly abhorrent to a healthy culture.}}</ref>

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:28 pm

[quote="Michaeldsuarez"]Nikolas Ojala appears not to speak English very well: "anti-semitists". Of course, that by itself doesn't discredit his argument. It doesn't need to.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:33 pm

Oh, wow, check out Nikolas Ojala's contributions to "wiki.hommaforum.org":

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=File%3AQrcode_monikulttuuri_on_raiskaus.png:

Nikolas Ojala wrote:QR code: Multiculturalism is rape.*

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=File%3ANeekeri_Uusi_Aapinen_Paletti_1972.jpg:

Nikolas Ojala wrote:Palette New Basics for the year 1972. The dimensions of the case is a n*****.*

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Neekeri&action=history (an article on Africans, written entirely by Nikolas Ojala, who refers to them by the N-word)

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20120627200000&limit=11&contribs=user&target=Nikolas_Ojala (Nikolas Ojala refers to racism as the "R-word", as if the word "racism" is too dirty to say)

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Maahantunkeutuja&action=history

Nikolas Ojala wrote:An invader is a person who enters the country across the border illegally.*

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Muhammad&action=history (an article on Muhammad, written almost entirely by Nikolas Ojala)

http://wiki.hommaforum.org/index.php?title=Islam&action=history (an article on Islam, written almost entirely by Nikolas Ojala)

*Translations provided by Google Translate.

Edit:

@Poetlister: Nikolas Ojala is defending Benjamin Freedman because he's one of Freedman's fans. That's clear from what I've seen of Ojala's contributions to wikis in his native language.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:09 pm

http://hommaforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=94 (Nikolas Ojala's "hommaforum.org" forum profile and signature):

Signature:

There is no racism in the fact that we want to preserve our country, our culture and our heritage. And if they use this word to mock and intimidate you, laugh for them. That word does not now mean anything anymore.

-Paul Weston in his speech in Denmark 04/07/2015

Also, the Nikolas Ojala of "hommaforum.org" and the Nikolas Ojala of Wikipedia are almost certainly the same person. Besides the shared racism, both are proponents of "distributism":

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Distributism&diff=604152056

https://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distributismi&offset=20120000000008&limit=15&action=history

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,76209.msg1132844.html#msg1132844

Nikolas Ojala wrote:I know that many feel is genuine conservatism that defends capitalism, as it is anyway not even pretend to be some sort of alternative to socialism. But in my opinion, capitalism and socialism lead to essentially the same space, which is the transition of ownership and power over the few. I do not support either of the economic model, and that is why I DISTRIBUTISM. In my opinion it is more genuinely right-wing.

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,76209.msg1138950.html#msg1138950

This also means that the Nikolas Ojala who operates "modeemi.fi/~no/" is also the Nikolus Ojala on Wikipedia.

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<meta name="description" content="Nikolas Ojalan kotisivu – The WWW homepage of Nikolas Ojala">

He published a long essay on Distributism on modeemi.fi/~no/:

https://www.modeemi.fi/~no/distr.html

He also wrote a parable-ish story about the Finnish people going extinct / being displaced by Muslims, which he blames on the Finnish people's alleged "self-hate" / guilt / lack of respect for their own culture:

https://modeemi.fi/~no/keskustelu.html

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:04 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=712835918&oldid=712403287

And restored by an editor with an interest in right-wing political parties.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:18 am

Nikolas Ojala of the infamous Homma forum and wiki (see my posts about him above) is now challenging Brustopher on the article's talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=712943460&oldid=712546544

Nikolas Ojala wrote:== About few recent edits ==

Although it seems to be [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ a well documented] fact what Barbara Lerner Spectre said in one video interview, [[User:Brustopher|Brustopher]] has repeatedly removed the quote, claiming that "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =712368863 The whole thing is sourced to a book by a fringe nutter that's why]" and also insulting an other fellow wiki editor saying that his "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =712835918 contribution history is stereotypically hilarious]". I don't need to touch the ''possible fringe nuttery'' of a book author, because the quote is a widely documented fact. It is just such an (in)famous quote that it could be found on at least that one book, written by a "''fringe nutter''" as [[User:Brustopher|Brustopher]] calls him. Even if you got Youtube somehow wipe out all those video clips, there are many copies on other sites. If [[User:Brustopher|Brustopher]] or anyone keeps doing such deletions, I would call that vandalism. Until now, we could say that [[User:Brustopher|Brustopher]] did not know about the wide documentation, but the other possible explanation could be that [[User:Brustopher|Brustopher]] was motivated by a political agenda. I don't wish to see any kind of deletion vandalism and expect good will. I am sure that also the long time experienced wiki editor [[User:Brustopher|Brustopher]] understands this. ––[[User:Nikolas Ojala|Nikolas Ojala]] ([[User talk:Nikolas Ojala|talk]]) 23:49, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:04 pm

The article makes for a fun honest pot to watch. Here's the latest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Lerner_Spectre&diff=713871854

And of course, AlbertAndTheLion's userpage consists entirely of the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AlbertAndTheLion&diff=570400968

AlbertAndTheLion wrote:Why are we not told that Israel has been accused of using gas weapons?

Plus, he seems to be under the impression that opponents to the Iraq War were assassinated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War&diff=622715268

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War&diff=594366344

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:01 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:
AlbertAndTheLion wrote:Why are we not told that Israel has been accused of using gas weapons?

Israel has been accused of all sorts of things. Following its massive contribution to the Haiti earthquake relief effort, it was accused of stealing body parts from victims, an update of the Blood libel (T-H-L).