WikipediaAdministrators.com - Admins for sale?

[Zoloft]

This site claims to have 'Wikipedia Administrators' available to add, protect, and game your content on Wikipedia.

WikipediaAdministrators.com

Who would you rather have defend you in a court of law? F. Lee Baily or some kid straight out of law school? Our Administrators are the F. Lee Bailey’s of the Wikipedia world. There are over 50,000 active Wikipedia editors and less than 1,000 active Wikipedia Administrators. Administrators ultimately have the final say on what goes and what stays so unless you are using one you are inviting your page to get deleted, and once it is deleted it is a hundred times harder to get it back up. It is in your best interest to use a Wikipedia Administrator whenever you do anything on Wikipedia.

If you have a Wikipedia page with some negative edits then our mediation team can make sure there are edits added to make the overall impression much more positive. Again, because they’re Administrators, their edits will stick.

(emphasis added)

[EricBarbour]

Registrant:
Amy Myszko
PO Box 1022
Crestone, Colorado 81131
United States

Fred Bauder lives in Crestone.

[Zoloft]

Registrant:
Amy Myszko
PO Box 1022
Crestone, Colorado 81131
United States

Fred Bauder lives in Crestone.

Is her last name pronounced "My-Sock-o?"

[Randy from Boise]

This is very interesting stuff...

Confidentiality & Ethics Policy

1. Confidentiality: We never share client information with anyone. Ever. When you contact with us, or refer clients to us, then we do our job for you and that’s all we do.

2. We’re On Your Side: Truth has many facets and a couple of setbacks for an individual or company are no reason to run and hide. Most of the information on the Internet is false and much of it is exaggerated. It is human nature to be drawn to drama, and to click on that when surfing online and consequently forget all the good things an individual or company has accomplished. We help balance the story out by focusing on the good things you’ve accomplished.

3. Ethical Behavior: We’re not going to lie to you even if it is what you might want to hear. We also won’t do any “Black Hat” tricks with Wikipedia. They always find out and then you have a dozen angry Administrators watching your account for any positive edits. We use the best people who have earned respect from years of hard work as Administrators on Wikipedia. Simple as that.

4. We Are Not Miracle Workers: If there are negative third party edits then we cannot get them taken off. We often can get the language around them edited so it’s not defamatory. We can also add positive edits so the negatives don’t overwhelm the reader.

"Truth has many facets..."

"We use the best people who have earned respect from years of hard work as Administrators on Wikipedia."

RfB

[Zoloft]

*shakes the bag a bit*

http://www.crestonehealers.com/1/post/2 ... yszko.html
http://www.etsy.com/people/amyszko
http://www.custommade.com/by/dancingcedarwoodwork/
https://plus.google.com/115298468397773401623/posts
https://www.elance.com/s/amyszko/

[The Joy]

She's a former freelance writer and an herbalist.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/amy-myszko-cch/17/bbb/271

http://www.sacredearthherbals.com/

[Zoloft]

Site's Twitter: https://twitter.com/SEOWikiFix

[Randy from Boise]

Registrant:
Amy Myszko
PO Box 1022
Crestone, Colorado 81131
United States

Fred Bauder lives in Crestone.

I really doubt that Com. Bauder is gonna open a business flacking for corporations on WP...

The simplest solution is the most likely solution:

Amy Myszko from LInked In

Current
Owner at Sacred Earth Herbals

Past
Freelance Writer and Virtual Assistant at A Writer's Collective
Co-owner at Mountain Design Thermal Curtains
Freelance Writer at 2Blue Media Group

Education
North American Institute of Medical Herbalism
University of Colorado at Boulder

Sacred Earth Herbals (T-H-L) is a redlink on WP.

tim

[Zoloft]

Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wikipedi ... 2753846364

[Zoloft]

AHA!

http://www.flexjobs.com/resumes/profile?id=122632

I provided content (articles and blogs) for a number of websites through A Writer's Collective. I mainly wrote 650 word health and wellness articles, but I also wrote about many other verticals including travel, science, business, environment, arts, entertainment, and more. I also wrote longer, more in-depth articles for specific clients based on interviews, along with creating a website for the director of A Writer's Collective for another aspect of the business (www.wikipediaadministrators.com) and doing virtual assistant work for him.

[Zoloft]

https://www.openhourz.com/hours/a-write ... boulder-co

A Writers Collective Hours

Store - Hours - Phone
1750 30Th St Ste 322, Boulder CO 80303
(303) 349-8999

Oh this is interesting:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/joseph-ch ... ado-783059

On July 19, 2011 Joseph Chinnok, who runs a business called A Writers Collective, contacted my graphic design company, Caligraphics, with a request to design 2 ebook covers. The covers were designed and emailed to him and he approved them and paid $60 with PayPal. On Aug 31 he started a chargeback on PayPal, claiming unauthorized use of his credit card, and PayPal debited my account $60 plus $20 for the fee to them from the credit card company. Now my company can't accept payment from clients through PayPal unless I pay them the $80. Apparently he's aware of PayPal's policy of not extending any sellers' protection to digital goods - ebook covers, in my case - and he's using that loophole to get his money back on design jobs.

When I emailed Chinnock about the chargeback he responded thusly:

"My former partner challenged a bunch of charges. I fired him and no longer work with the bank. What do
you need from me to reverse those disputes?
J"

"Cal,
I'm cut off from the bank and don't use PAypal anymore. Please forward them my email informing them I had no intention of disputing those funds.
Thanks.
Joseph Chinnock"

Additional reports same site:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/sea ... h+Chinnock

[Vigilant]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/amy-myszko-cch/17/bbb/271
Quoted in case it gets popped.

Amy Myszko, CCH

Owner at Sacred Earth Herbals

Crestone, Colorado
Health, Wellness and Fitness

Previous

A Writer's Collective,
Mountain Design Thermal Curtains,
2Blue Media Group

Education

North American Institute of Medical Herbalism

87connections
Send InMail
More options

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/amy-myszko-cch/17/bbb/271/

Contact Info
Background
Summary

I am a practicing herbalist and flower essence therapist living in the Rocky Mountains. I'm a devoted mother, gardener, and sacred activist, as well as working with people to support their path to healing, which I truly love. I also love to write and am always looking for freelance writing positions that allow me to share my perspective on holistic health with a wider audience. Check out my website for more information on my services as an Herbalist and Flower Essence Therapist http://www.scredearthherbals.com
Experience
Owner
Sacred Earth Herbals
January 2010 – Present (3 years 5 months)

I have an Herbal and Nutrition consultation practice in Crestone, CO. I also grow, make, and sell herbal medicines like teas, salves, and flower essences. I am an Intuitive Flower Essence Therapist and offer my services locally as well as long distance through my website. I am also a freelance writer specializing in holistic health, nutrition, kids, pregnancy, environment, and science.
Freelance Writer and Virtual Assistant
A Writer's Collective
September 2011 – April 2013 (1 year 8 months)Boulder, CO

I provided high quality freelance writing for SEO companies on many topics including health, politics, environment, science, technology, and Entertainment. I also provided the director of the company with Virtual Assistant skills such as email and phone communications with clients, organization, and general personal assistant skills.
Co-owner
Mountain Design Thermal Curtains
December 2009 – December 2012 (3 years 1 month)

Fabricated thermal curtains to retain heat in the winter.
2Blue Media Group
Freelance Writer
2Blue Media Group
March 2012 – September 2012 (7 months)

I specialize in SEO-oriented web content, specifically under the verticals of health, alternative health, children, pregnancy, and environment.
Publications
Flower Essences for Animals(Link)
Natural Holistic Health Website
August 1, 2012

A short article explaining the benefits of using flower essence therapy for our animal friends.
Sound Yoga for Mind/Body Balance(Link)
Natural Holistic Health Website
August 5, 2012

An article on how the practices of sound yoga can contribute to health in mind and body, including a specific exercise explained in detail.
How to Relieve Your Child's Tummy Ache(Link)
Children Health Solutions Website
July 15, 2012

Simple home and herbal remedies to calm a tummy ache in children, fast.
How to Raise Healthy Children(Link)
Children Health Solutions
July 14, 2012

Simple steps to help your children have the best mental, emotional, and physical health.
Certifications
Certified Clinical Herbalist
North American Institute of Medical Herbalism
September 2007 – Present

Picture of Amy
http://imgur.com/2aLoN3K



Other strangeness.

Alicia H Alwyn Crestone, CO 1540 Willow Creek Way (719) 256-5205, (719) 256-5235

John Myszko Crestone, CO 418 Moonlight Way (719) 256-5205

Telephone numbers match from the domain registration.

http://web.archive.org/web/201102022201 ... tains.com/

Contact Info:

John and Amy Myszko
Crestone, CO
719-256-5205
amyszko23@gmail.com

Tracking the second number gives even weirder stuff.
http://co.garply.com/c2c/crestone/i3701359


Plethora of emails and addresses.
Looks like a serious grifter/scammer.

[Vigilant]

Let me retract part of that.
TOTAL GRIFTER

We Uplift TV ~ Amy Myszko on Flower Essences and Dowsing for Essences
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hcC8mFP_78

http://www.etsy.com/people/amyszko

http://pinterest.com/amyszko/

http://www.custommade.com/by/livingeartharts/

https://plus.google.com/115298468397773401623/posts

On and on and on.
I think it's really unlikely that she has access to an admin account.

[Zoloft]

Joseph Chinnock, Boulder, Co.
https://plus.google.com/104400889937957824735/posts
http://www.blogger.com/profile/12991058384124073207

[Midsize Jake]

I see this as a kind of classic American computer-age tragedy, personally. You take a perfectly respectable hippie didgeridoo maker like John Myszko, he's probably getting along just fine with his hippie wife and what-not, until some d-bag invents an electronic didgeridoo and turns his whole world upside down, destroying the didgeridoo-making business they'd spent their lives building in one feel swoop. Cast adrift in the post-Bush-2 economy like hemp spores in the wind, the unfortunate couple is forced into more and more degrading money-making schemes until they finally resort to impersonating Wikipedia admins on the internet just to survive...

So, there but for the grace of God, etc., etc. There's a lesson here for all of us. Don't ask me what it is, but it's definitely here, somewhere.

[Anroth]

Don't be a hippy?

[Poetlister]

If the site's a bluff and users find that no admins come to their aid, what then? Couldn't they sue her?

[Hex]

Reproduction of any content in part or in whole is strictly prohibited unless expressly permitted by Wikipedia Administrators.

Hi. I'm a Wikipedia Administrator, and as such give you my full permission to reproduce any part of that website in any form.
Hope this helps!

[thekohser]

Another nutcase start-up business related to Wikipedia. I determined the "fail" when I saw that they can't even decide how to spell it F. Lee Baily or F. Lee Bailey.

Someone should notify Geoff Brigham at the WMF of Ms. Myszko's breach of Wikimedia Foundation tradename.

We recently helped a well-known energy drink with a terrible Wikipedia page get edits added to make a much more well-rounded impression. They had multiple listings of lawsuits from state attorney generals, lawsuits from families of people who died taking the product, and even smear articles from national magazines. Our Wikipedia Administrators challenged the negative edits and had several removed, others moderated, and were also able to add positive press. If we can help them, then we can help anyone.

Possible clients?

[DanMurphy]

This site claims to have 'Wikipedia Administrators' available to add, protect, and game your content on Wikipedia.

WikipediaAdministrators.com

Who would you rather have defend you in a court of law? F. Lee Baily or some kid straight out of law school? Our Administrators are the F. Lee Bailey’s of the Wikipedia world. There are over 50,000 active Wikipedia editors and less than 1,000 active Wikipedia Administrators. Administrators ultimately have the final say on what goes and what stays so unless you are using one you are inviting your page to get deleted, and once it is deleted it is a hundred times harder to get it back up. It is in your best interest to use a Wikipedia Administrator whenever you do anything on Wikipedia.

If you have a Wikipedia page with some negative edits then our mediation team can make sure there are edits added to make the overall impression much more positive. Again, because they’re Administrators, their edits will stick.

(emphasis added)

I fully expect that a few sophisticated operations have admin accounts at this point, and understand what they are useful for and what they're not useful for. Anyone who I would trust to hire for this purpose would not write "because they’re Administrators, their edits will stick" but rather something more like "because they are administrators who work in concert with other editors who they have no apparent connection to, over time they can help shape articles to our clients liking."

Actually, anyone who I'd trust to hire for this purpose wouldn't have a public website.

[Hex]

Possible clients?

Melapatella (T-C-L) (Melanie Grimes, a "certified homeopathy [sic] with... the North American Society of Homoepaths [sic]", and no relation to Amy Myszko, "herbalist and flower essence therapist"), is very interested in both 5-hour Energy (T-H-L) and its founder, Manoj Bhargava (T-H-L), of whom she provided a photograph for the article.

[Midsize Jake]

Possible clients?

MorganH85 (T-C-L) rather obviously works for the company that makes Four Loko (T-H-L), but he's not an administrator, and appears to be relatively harmless, generally speaking.

This strikes me as a wild goose chase, actually. I'm not saying it's impossible or even implausible that someone is running an actual business like this, but in this case it seems vastly more likely to just be yet another internet scam with not much (if anything) behind it.

[Vigilant]

This site claims to have 'Wikipedia Administrators' available to add, protect, and game your content on Wikipedia.

WikipediaAdministrators.com

Who would you rather have defend you in a court of law? F. Lee Baily or some kid straight out of law school? Our Administrators are the F. Lee Bailey’s of the Wikipedia world. There are over 50,000 active Wikipedia editors and less than 1,000 active Wikipedia Administrators. Administrators ultimately have the final say on what goes and what stays so unless you are using one you are inviting your page to get deleted, and once it is deleted it is a hundred times harder to get it back up. It is in your best interest to use a Wikipedia Administrator whenever you do anything on Wikipedia.

If you have a Wikipedia page with some negative edits then our mediation team can make sure there are edits added to make the overall impression much more positive. Again, because they’re Administrators, their edits will stick.

(emphasis added)

I fully expect that a few sophisticated operations have admin accounts at this point, and understand what they are useful for and what they're not useful for. Anyone who I would trust to hire for this purpose would not write "because they’re Administrators, their edits will stick" but rather something more like "because they are administrators who work in concert with other editors who they have no apparent connection to, over time they can help shape articles to our clients liking."

Actually, anyone who I'd trust to hire for this purpose wouldn't have a public website.

This is exactly right.
The editor accounts would come and go, they'd edit on multiple topics, they'd gnome, they'd AfD, hippity hop, hippity hop and then they'd land on the client's page and do what needed to be done.
If any nosy kids (ScoobyDooooo) tried to get in the way, it would be the uninvolved admin who admonished them and took them to ANI for civility of npa or legal or... whatever.
Then the crowd of accounts would disperse until the next client needed help.

Word of mouth might or might not be sufficient.

[Randy from Boise]

I see this as a kind of classic American computer-age tragedy, personally. You take a perfectly respectable hippie didgeridoo maker like John Myszko, he's probably getting along just fine with his hippie wife and what-not, until some d-bag invents an electronic didgeridoo and turns his whole world upside down, destroying the didgeridoo-making business they'd spent their lives building in one feel swoop. Cast adrift in the post-Bush-2 economy like hemp spores in the wind, the unfortunate couple is forced into more and more degrading money-making schemes until they finally resort to impersonating Wikipedia admins on the internet just to survive...

So, there but for the grace of God, etc., etc. There's a lesson here for all of us. Don't ask me what it is, but it's definitely here, somewhere.

What a great post!

RfB

[EricBarbour]

Meh, I still think that Bauder is connected to Myzsko somehow, even if merely as an enabler. Crestone is a VERY small isolated town, and
even in spite of its development as a New Age/hippie haven, the chances that Bauder and a heavy-duty internet 'business troller" both live
there, while being unaware of each other, are minimal. Especially if the "business troller" is trying to start a Wikipedia editing business.

[Vigilant]

Meh, I still think that Bauder is connected to Myzsko somehow, even if merely as an enabler. Crestone is a VERY small isolated town, and
even in spite of its development as a New Age/hippie haven, the chances that Bauder and a heavy-duty internet 'business troller" both live
there, while being unaware of each other, are minimal. Especially if the "business troller" is trying to start a Wikipedia editing business.

I'd bet you're right. From the wikipedia article.

Population (2000)
• Total 73

What's the likelihood that Fred Bauder DOESN'T know this woman in a town of 73?
What's the likelihood that Fred Bauder DOESN'T know this woman is involved in this shit in a town of 73?

[DanMurphy]

Go know. I wouldn't have thought the herbalist profile went with the soliciting prostitution from a divorce clients wife profile. Small town America? My girl lives in a town of 2,000 (ok, a good deal larger, but still) and it's amazing how many of the houses we drive by that I ask about (because it has an interesting old car in the driveway, or looks like a meth lab, or has a really fabulous garden, or whatever) and she has no idea who lives there.

[Vigilant]

Interesting, John's no longer in Crestone...

http://www.mylife.com/l-john-myszko-e621136249086

About John Myszko

John Joseph Myszko was born in 1966. John currently lives in Oakland, California. Before that, John lived in Crestone, CO from 2008 to 2012. Before that, John lived in Oakland, CA in 2004.

John Joseph Myszko is related to Amy Cranmer, who is 29 years old and lives in Crestone, CO. John Joseph Myszko is also related to Kimberly Myszko, who is 45 years old and lives in Eva, AL.

Follow the threads
http://www.mylife.com/l-amy-cranmer-e142801000590

Amy Lynn Cranmer was born in 1983. Amy currently lives in Crestone, Colorado. Before that, Amy lived in Boulder, CO Before that, Amy lived in Golden, CO in 2007.

Amy Lynn Cranmer is related to Michael Cranmer, who is 60 years old and lives in Littleton, CO. Amy Lynn Cranmer is also related to Kathy Cranmer, who is 60 years old and lives in Littleton, CO.

Amy's facebook.
Note that she's an antivaxxer
https://www.facebook.com/amy.myszko
Weeping Jeebus, she's dumb in some special ways.

[EricBarbour]

Amy's facebook.
Note that she's an antivaxxer
https://www.facebook.com/amy.myszko
Weeping Jeebus, she's dumb in some special ways.

Typical American baby-boomer aging-New-Age hippie. The SF bay area is crawling with them, as is most of California.

[Vigilant]

Amy's facebook.
Note that she's an antivaxxer
https://www.facebook.com/amy.myszko
Weeping Jeebus, she's dumb in some special ways.

Typical American baby-boomer aging-New-Age hippie. The SF bay area is crawling with them, as is most of California.

I'll just leave this here.


And this (exemption rates)
http://science.kqed.org/quest/2010/10/1 ... xemptions/


I think that people who fail to immunize their kids should be punished severely. It's shitty for their kids and for herd immunity at large.

[EricBarbour]

And this (exemption rates)
http://science.kqed.org/quest/2010/10/1 ... xemptions/

Those are exactly, precisely the counties that have the largest populations of bay area aging-hippie expatriates.
Also the counties where the most weed is grown.

[DanMurphy]

Shit. My girlfriend is in one of the red counties. No surprise, but it's not nice having to recognize a place I love is up there in the baby-killing sweepstakes.

[DanMurphy]

Because I'm an internet idiot, would love a url of all those california counties that I could share easily. I guess I lean "democratish" in my own politics, but it's interesting to point out that places that are assumed to be heavily democratish are also at least sometimes less rational about protecting children (because people that I agree with about a lot of things assume precisely the opposite).

[EricBarbour]

Well, the only weed-crop chart I could find is from 2006. Yes, the county I live in is #1 in the state, and usually #2-3 in the whole country.
Most of the grows are very large and usually conducted on Forest Service or BLM land.

[Sweet Revenge]

Those are exactly, precisely the counties that have the largest populations of bay area aging-hippie expatriates.
Also the counties where the most weed is grown.

I think California weed-growers like Republicans since their industry depends on some kind of inverse regulatory capture. They stand to lose a bundle if marijuana's legalized. The weed-growing counties defeated the last marijuana legalization initiative in California.

[Vigilant]

My point in posting the first of those two maps was to show that Colorado is ground zero in anti-vaxxer land (also religious homeschooling, quel surprise).

The second map I found interesting and alarming.

[Hex]

This strikes me as a wild goose chase, actually. I'm not saying it's impossible or even implausible that someone is running an actual business like this, but in this case it seems vastly more likely to just be yet another internet scam with not much (if anything) behind it.

I agree with you, but I think there's value to be had in following the claim and showing that it is, in fact, bullshit.

[lilburne]

Because I'm an internet idiot, would love a url of all those california counties that I could share easily. I guess I lean "democratish" in my own politics, but it's interesting to point out that places that are assumed to be heavily democratish are also at least sometimes less rational about protecting children (because people that I agree with about a lot of things assume precisely the opposite).

I've mentioned before that a lot of my old hippie mates seem to be anti-vac. This seems to be common view amongst the New Age lot, tarot, crystals, aroma-therepy, homeopathy and herbal remedies. Because we all know that smoking ganja, eating mangoes, and pouring borax up your arse cures cancer right.

http://www.naturalnews.com/

Government (always evil) are promoting vaccinations as mind control for the kids. It sort of goes down hill from there.

Mostly its a Libertarian small government thing, as it requires big government to organize mass immunisations, and health care.

[mojorayjones]

Hi All,
I am William Chinnock III; I stumbled upon this thread and website after scanning the web for information on my brother Joe Chinnock.
I think my brother is the person behind the Widipediaadministrators.com website and not so much Mrs. Myszko.
My brother has established himself as a major scam artist in CO. He was a real estate mortgage broker, who went bust. He quickly re-invented himself as a "freelance writer", despite not having much background in that career.
He has been marketing himself as a writing coach, screenwriter, etc... Recently he posted on Facebook that he in fact does write Wikipedia profiles for large corporations, and he continues to claim that he charges them a lot of money, but that business has been slow in December, so he's willing to work with others within their budget.

I believe he spent some time in Crestone and likely met Mrs. Myszko there. He probably enlisted her, either by manipulating her or charm to be the Registrant of the web page in question.
He likely cut a deal with her, promising her something in exchange for the use of her being the Registrant of the site.

Why wouldn't he want to register the site in his name? Well, he has pissed off a lot of people in CO and other places over the past decade or so. You can do the search at RippOffReport. com, which one of your members posted in this thread. If his name is associated with the site, then people would be wary of trusting somebody who has about a dozen complaints with the RippOffReport site, not to mention he does have a criminal record. I won't go into any more detail about my brother's problems or actions, but I do think he is the person behind the dubious Wikipediaadministrators web site. It is typical of his style and approach to make a dollar off unsuspecting trusting people.

I hope this helps.

[EricBarbour]

I am William Chinnock III; I stumbled upon this thread and website after scanning the web for information on my brother Joe Chinnock.
I think my brother is the person behind the Widipediaadministrators.com website and not so much Mrs. Myszko.
My brother has established himself as a major scam artist in CO. He was a real estate mortgage broker, who went bust. He quickly re-invented himself as a "freelance writer", despite not having much background in that career.
He has been marketing himself as a writing coach, screenwriter, etc... Recently he posted on Facebook that he in fact does write Wikipedia profiles for large corporations, and he continues to claim that he charges them a lot of money, but that business has been slow in December, so he's willing to work with others within their budget.

I believe he spent some time in Crestone and likely met Mrs. Myszko there. He probably enlisted her, either by manipulating her or charm to be the Registrant of the web page in question.
He likely cut a deal with her, promising her something in exchange for the use of her being the Registrant of the site.

Why wouldn't he want to register the site in his name? Well, he has pissed off a lot of people in CO and other places over the past decade or so. You can do the search at RippOffReport. com, which one of your members posted in this thread. If his name is associated with the site, then people would be wary of trusting somebody who has about a dozen complaints with the RippOffReport site, not to mention he does have a criminal record. I won't go into any more detail about my brother's problems or actions, but I do think he is the person behind the dubious Wikipediaadministrators web site. It is typical of his style and approach to make a dollar off unsuspecting trusting people.

I hope this helps.

Yes, it does, thank you very much. And as I said above, it's not just that they are running a Wikipedia edit-for-pay site and claiming to have WP administrators to assist them. It's that they started it in tiny and isolated Crestone, Colorado, a place with one (and only one) major Wikipedia feature: Fred Bauder, a longtime Friend Of Jimbo and one of Wikipedia's earliest insiders and administrators. It's a bit too unlikely to be a mere coincidence, I think.

Having researched Bauder's ugly Wikipedia history, I have already suspected him of performing paid edits, because too many of the things he's done with his main account were very dodgy. A connection with your brother, with money involved, would not surprise me at all.

[SB_Johnny]

Does anyone else think it's strange that some guy searches the interwebs to find web forums where he can say unflattering things about his brother?

[lilburne]

Does anyone else think it's strange that some guy searches the interwebs to find web forums where he can say unflattering things about his brother?

[Zoloft]

Family feuds are now part of the Internet.

It's also possible that he's trying to warn people, out of a sense of family obligation.

[greybeard]

Something in the juxtapostion of this most recent exchange and the statistics above about California put me in mind of this old Firesign Theatre sketch:

[enwikibadscience]

Does anyone else think it's strange that some guy searches the interwebs to find web forums where he can say unflattering things about his brother?

He probably doesn't search, but just set up search agents.

[mojorayjones]

You can direct that sort of query directly at me now, since I am officially registered with this site as a member.

To be honest, of course it's difficult to write negative things about my brother. Not something I'm proud of or happy to do.
Very recently I heard of his (my brother's) writing endeavors, and was curious, like most people, to see what I could find on the internet about it.
What I found was a lot of complaints about him, and basically a confirmation that he is operating as he has his whole life.

Finding this site was intriguing because of the commitment and effort people had put into discussing this subject regarding Wikipedia.
So, yeah, I thought I'd shed some light on your discussion. Any body that has known my brother in person, would not be surprised at the things I've stated, so I'm not feeling too guilty.

If you think I'm sort of freak or something, I'd be happy to leave it at what I've stated. I'm a little surprised at receiving such criticism on a forum that claims to seek clarity, and I give you what I can.

Adios!

[mojorayjones]

Basically I saw you guys focusing on the woman in Crestone, and I don't think she's the brainchild behind it.
But, go ahead and carry on as you were if you wish. Yeah, I'm not into people, including my relatives, ripping them or scamming others.
I don't think that's strange at all SB_Johnny.

[EricBarbour]

I'm a little surprised at receiving such criticism on a forum that claims to seek clarity, and I give you what I can.

You'll have to excuse them. Bizarre paranoia comes with the territory. Plus, we just had a minor scandal with a "spy" in our midst.

[enwikibadscience]

You'll have to excuse them. Bizarre paranoia comes with the territory. Plus, we just had a minor scandal with a "spy" in our midst.

Before my time? Why would someone spy on an open forum? Or do you do as much behind the scenes here as Wikipedia does?

[EricBarbour]

We discuss prospective blog posts in a private area, because sometimes embarrassing things are brought up. And found out recently that one of the longtime participants was hiding his WP identity (arbitrator!). Long story short, it made some people very unhappy.