Banned Wikipedia editor runs for Congress

[10920]

"As a convicted felon, Larson was barred from seeking state office in Virginia from 2009 until Governor Terry McAuliffe restored voting and candidacy rights to thousands of felons in 2016."

"In 2009, Larson pleaded guilty to sending a letter in December 2008 to the U.S. Secret Service threatening to kill the President of the United States. At that time, the message was sent just after Barack Obama was elected president while George W. Bush was still in office, although Larson did not specify which president the threat was for."

[Randy from Boise]

Larson's WP biography does not mention his death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_La ... olitician)

Do we have any reliable confirmation of his alleged death on Sept. 18, 2022?


t

[Giraffe Stapler]

Larson's WP biography does not mention his death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_La ... olitician)

Do we have any reliable confirmation of his alleged death on Sept. 18, 2022?


t

Not yet, and don't hold your breath waiting for them. There will probably be some sort of filing to formally close the case but I doubt any reliable sources will write about it.

[Hemiauchenia]

Larson's WP biography does not mention his death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_La ... olitician)

Do we have any reliable confirmation of his alleged death on Sept. 18, 2022?


t

We discussed this about a year ago in the thread "Undead BLPs" https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewto ... 16&t=12308 , the answer is that unless reliable sources discuss the death, we can't include it. I don't think that there are any reliable sources covering it atm.

[Midsize Jake]

We discussed this in the about a year ago in the thread "Undead BLPs" https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewto ... 16&t=12308 , the answer is that unless reliable sources discuss the death, we can't include it. I don't think that there are any reliable sources covering it atm.

I remember that thread, and thinking at the time that it would make for a good blog post, were it not for the fact that it might attract higher numbers of child pornographers and pedophiles to the site. I suspect that's also one of the reasons why "reliable sources" tend not to cover the deaths of such people.

It's probably a no-win situation for any respectable media outlet anyway, because if the tone of such an article is "good riddance," you're accused of grave-dancing, whereas if it's "strictly factual" you're accused of moral failure and giving the evil person still more attention that they never deserved in the first place.

This is just a roundabout way of saying that I doubt there will be any WP:RS coverage of Larson's death, not any time soon, and possibly not ever. And I doubt they'll delete the article, either... so does this mean he'll "live forever"? That hardly seems ideal.

[tarantino]

Plenty of the mainstream news orgs reported on his prison sentence for threatening the president, his run for congress and his arrest for kidnapping.

I emailed a tip to a news outlet in Arizona that does a lot of investigative reporting. I haven't heard back. I'll probably try a couple more.

[The Blue Newt]

And I doubt they'll delete the article, either... so does this mean he'll "live forever"? That hardly seems ideal.

An hero finds an Valhalla?

[Midsize Jake]

And I doubt they'll delete the article, either... so does this mean he'll "live forever"? That hardly seems ideal.

An hero finds an Valhalla?

Actually, something like Wikipedia: Valhalla for Creeps? would make for a really good blog-post title, if we ever decide to risk it.

[The Blue Newt]

And I doubt they'll delete the article, either... so does this mean he'll "live forever"? That hardly seems ideal.

An hero finds an Valhalla?

Actually, something like Wikipedia: Valhalla for Creeps? would make for a really good blog-post title, if we ever decide to risk it.

Hmmm. Looking back at it, I clearly did not add enough caps. Maybe DIcKlY oN’s Disease is catching.

An Hero Finds An Valhalla

[Midsize Jake]

Hmmm. Looking back at it, I clearly did not add enough caps. Maybe DIcKlY oN’s Disease is catching.

An Hero Finds An Valhalla

This is something I usually try super-hard never to admit, but you've completely lost me.

There's an Australian rock band called An Horse (T-H-L) — does this have something to do with them?

[Giraffe Stapler]

We discussed this about a year ago in the thread "Undead BLPs" https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewto ... 16&t=12308 , the answer is that unless reliable sources discuss the death, we can't include it. I don't think that there are any reliable sources covering it atm.

I clicked that link expecting it to be this discussion about Brian Eley. We do talk about some terrible people here sometimes.

[tarantino]

Hmmm. Looking back at it, I clearly did not add enough caps. Maybe DIcKlY oN’s Disease is catching.

An Hero Finds An Valhalla

This is something I usually try super-hard never to admit, but you've completely lost me.

There's an Australian rock band called An Horse (T-H-L) — does this have something to do with them?

Do you mean the "an hero" part? NYT Magazine explains it in the article The Trolls Among Us.

[Alison]

FWIW, the case against Larson was dismissed without prejudice yesterday.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 87.0_1.pdf

Still no reliable source, but he's almost certainly dead.

[Vigilant]

FWIW, the case against Larson was dismissed without prejudice yesterday.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 87.0_1.pdf

Still no reliable source, but he's almost certainly dead.

in the interest of justice

You're almost certainly correct.


Good.

[AndyTheGrump]

Larson's Wikipedia biography now states

On October 11, 2022, Judge Jennifer L. Thurston dismissed the indictment against Larson.

link

Which is both sourced, and verifiably true. It is, however, deeply misleading, in my opinion, given that anyone reading the biography would assume Larson was still alive.

[Giraffe Stapler]

Larson's Wikipedia biography now states

On October 11, 2022, Judge Jennifer L. Thurston dismissed the indictment against Larson.

link

Which is both sourced, and verifiably true. It is, however, deeply misleading, in my opinion, given that anyone reading the biography would assume Larson was still alive.

Is there some kind of rule about using primary sources, or something? I feel like I might have seen one mentioned.

[The Blue Newt]

Larson's Wikipedia biography now states

On October 11, 2022, Judge Jennifer L. Thurston dismissed the indictment against Larson.

link

Which is both sourced, and verifiably true. It is, however, deeply misleading, in my opinion, given that anyone reading the biography would assume Larson was still alive.

Not only alive, but found to be innocent, or at least un-prosecutable. Misleading as Hell.

[stedil]

Is there some kind of rule about using primary sources, or something? I feel like I might have seen one mentioned.

WP:PRIMARY (T-H-L)

[Giraffe Stapler]

Is there some kind of rule about using primary sources, or something? I feel like I might have seen one mentioned.

WP:PRIMARY (T-H-L)

I was being facetious. I was more alluding to WP:BLPPRIMARY:

Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies.

[iii]

I was being facetious. I was more alluding to WP:BLPPRIMARY:

Though the crucial L no longer applies, of course that's not going to stop the BLP furies.

[The Blue Newt]

It appears the even less mentionable website appears to have chapter and verse of the death certificate.

[Giraffe Stapler]

Ok. We have official confirmation. If you go to the website for the Maricopa County Medical Examiner, you can do a search for his name (or use case number 2022-09737). He's dead.

[Vigilant]

Ok. We have official confirmation. If you go to the website for the Maricopa County Medical Examiner, you can do a search for his name (or use case number 2022-09737). He's dead.

Good

[Zoloft]

Ok. We have official confirmation. If you go to the website for the Maricopa County Medical Examiner, you can do a search for his name (or use case number 2022-09737). He's dead.

Good

larsondead.jpg

[AndyTheGrump]

Ok. We have official confirmation. If you go to the website for the Maricopa County Medical Examiner, you can do a search for his name (or use case number 2022-09737). He's dead.

Good

larsondead.jpg

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, that's a primary source. And thus verboten*. On the other hand, Wikipedia has on occasion cited Wikipediocracy, so obviously we are a reliable source. Problem solved.

*Sounds much more authoritative in German, doesn't it?

[Zoloft]

Verklempt is a word also.

[Vigilant]

Ok. We have official confirmation. If you go to the website for the Maricopa County Medical Examiner, you can do a search for his name (or use case number 2022-09737). He's dead.

Good

larsondead.jpg

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, that's a primary source. And thus verboten*. On the other hand, Wikipedia has on occasion cited Wikipediocracy, so obviously we are a reliable source. Problem solved.

*Sounds much more authoritative in German, doesn't it?

Schadenfreude is a good German word too.

Larson died in prison and likely in a great deal of pain.
His long time supporter, Dennis "Another Boring Diatribe" Lomax, had a stroke and is confined to a bed in a nursing home where he spends all day, every day arguing with the absolute weirdos on r/flatearth.

Sometimes shitheels really do get what they deserve.

[Anroth]

Why can't someone just get him a switch and splatoon 3. Probably do him the world of good.

[tarantino]

Here's Larson's twitter account, and they must be okay with the shit he posted.

A large number of tweets he replied to were deleted by their author.

[Giraffe Stapler]

Aaaaaand it's now Wikipedia official, thanks to Anders Anglesey of Newsweek.

Ex-Politician Nathan Larson, Child Porn Advocate, Dies in Custody

[MadManz]

rip...?

[No Ledge]

Died just one day shy of his 42nd birthday.

[wiki-reviewer]

This news piece containing Nathan's sister has been making the rounds lately on various forums https://kdvr.com/news/local/accused-ped ... er-speaks/

It's Nathan's blood-related sister, known in the wikisphere as PolyFox, and for co-authoring PolyWiki.org with Nathan around 2014.

The news story shows PolyFox on camera, speaking about her brothers arrests and death.

She seems to state she is confident his alleged kidnapping was a stunt to get attention, likening it to him trying to get arrested by mailing the secret service earlier. The news piece runs with her narrative, and talks about alleged trauma Nathan may have received at age 15.

“So. that’s kind of what he was saying about the girl: It’s almost like he does these stunts really to like, get attention and this feeling of like, people aren’t listening, so he’ll do something like more extreme and more extreme,” Fox said.

https://kdvr.com/news/local/accused-ped ... er-speaks/

She's probably alluding to Larson's final manifesto at the very least. Larson notably made a similar statment to his sister in an alleged final manifesto he wrote in jail, and republished publicly by what appears to be Nathan's only friends. The manifesto, like his sister, also made the claim the airplane flight etc was a stunt to get media attention. If it was, he certainly succeeded in drawing attention to himself and sharing his views. As that's what he wanted, to share his views and lemmings go on and keep sharing them..

The solution to Larson in my mind is just for people to stop acting out a narrative Larson may have set up for people to do. That is, being conduits for his disturbing and immoral political platform, which multiple Youtubers keep doing through these 1 hour+ documentaries. One of which was just reading his entire manifesto verbatim. There's no public interest in doing such, he couldn't have won any of his elections under any circumstance, whether Anonymous stopped his 2018 candidacy or not (they did, and he dropped out, but it didn't matter either way). He wasn't a viable or notable political actor, his entire fame is based on media republishing him as if he's notable, not because of any meaningful base of support.

[Vigilant]

I call shenanigans.

Occam's Razor: He was a pedophile who wanted to rape children.

The world is a better place without him.

[wiki-reviewer]

He was a pedophile who wanted to rape children.

The world is a better place without him.

How does any of that contradict what his sister said?

https://www.healthline.com/health/menta ... e-thinking

He wanted to kill the president, but he wanted attention more so he emailed the secret service about it basically asking them to arrest him. People are more complex than you think

[Smultronstället]

He was a pedophile who wanted to rape children.

The world is a better place without him.

How does any of that contradict what his sister said?

https://www.healthline.com/health/menta ... e-thinking

He wanted to kill the president, but he wanted attention more so he emailed the secret service about it basically asking them to arrest him. People are more complex than you think

Anonymous was involved in stopping Larson? Was it on Twitter?

[wiki-reviewer]

He was a pedophile who wanted to rape children.

The world is a better place without him.

How does any of that contradict what his sister said?

https://www.healthline.com/health/menta ... e-thinking

He wanted to kill the president, but he wanted attention more so he emailed the secret service about it basically asking them to arrest him. People are more complex than you think

Anonymous was involved in stopping Larson? Was it on Twitter?

People claiming to be Anonymous ransacked his parents home in 2018 (perhaps due to the media reports of his Congressional campaign) and left Anonymous imagery, which was what prompted Larson to end his disturbing Congressional campaign before election day. I'm aware Anonymous is a moniker anyone can adopt.

He would not have come anywhere close to winning in any circumstance. As he was an independent who never got more than 1-2% in any race, and likely all votes toward him in any election were just throwaway votes.

[Smultronstället]

He was a pedophile who wanted to rape children.

The world is a better place without him.

How does any of that contradict what his sister said?

https://www.healthline.com/health/menta ... e-thinking

He wanted to kill the president, but he wanted attention more so he emailed the secret service about it basically asking them to arrest him. People are more complex than you think

Anonymous was involved in stopping Larson? Was it on Twitter?

People claiming to be Anonymous raided his home in 2018 (perhaps due to the media reports of his Congressional campaign) and left Anonymous imagery, which was what prompted Larson to end his disturbing Congressional campaign before election day. I'm aware Anonymous is a moniker anyone can adopt.

He would not have come anywhere close to winning in any circumstance. As he was an independent who never got more than 1-2% in any race, and likely all votes toward him in any election were just throwaway votes.

Seems like a lot of votes. In actual numbers do you know how many people voted for him? Seems sus.

[wiki-reviewer]

He was a pedophile who wanted to rape children.

The world is a better place without him.

How does any of that contradict what his sister said?

https://www.healthline.com/health/menta ... e-thinking

He wanted to kill the president, but he wanted attention more so he emailed the secret service about it basically asking them to arrest him. People are more complex than you think

Anonymous was involved in stopping Larson? Was it on Twitter?

"People claiming to be Anonymous raided his home in 2018 (perhaps due to the media reports of his Congressional campaign) and left Anonymous imagery, which was what prompted Larson to end his disturbing Congressional campaign before election day. I'm aware Anonymous is a moniker anyone can adopt.

He would not have come anywhere close to winning in any circumstance. As he was an independent who never got more than 1-2% in any race, and likely all votes toward him in any election were just throwaway votes."

Seems like a lot of votes. In actual numbers do you know how many people voted for him? Seems sus.

Larson did not have the conscious support of millions of Virginiians

Almost every time a third party candidate runs, in any state, they rack up a small percentage, or percentage of a percentage, no matter who they are. Particularly if there are no other third party candidates to act as generic protest vote. People who hate the two parties enough generally just check "option C", as a protest vote. Americans also generally have no idea about their Congressmen or potential congressman, they just get a blue or red colored paper telling them how to vote according to their party. I stand by my position there is no way Larson could have become a viable candidate under any circumstance.

[wiki-reviewer]

Additionally, as someone who has helped Congressional candidates run, and collect signatures to be on the ballot, I know that almost 0% of people ask to know anything about who they sign to be on the ballot. They either reject to sign because they dislike third party or independent candidates in general, or accept out of a general pro-democracy attitude.

The media's insinuation in 2018 that Larson got conscious support from his signatures was likely false.

[wiki-reviewer]

4 people were recently arrested for alleged child abuse on Larson's 'rapey' forum a few months ago according to a recent DOJ report

good riddance

[Giraffe Stapler]

If you're looking for Nathan Larson on Wikipedia, you can now find him at Nathan Larson (criminal) (T-H-L), thanks to Wes Sideman (T-C-L).

There's no way to make a case that this person was notable as a politician. If that were their claim to notability, the article would be speedily deleted. Virtually all of their notability arises from their criminal activities. Wes sideman (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I guess Sideman missed the two AFDs where it was decided that Larson was notable as a perennial failed candidate.