Instead, the easy route of simply deleting entire sentences was taken, and the resulting paragraph became less informative.

I agree with you generally, but, given the labyrinthine nature of Ashley's involvement with wikipedia, it seems like it is more useful to look for links first rather than last.

I agree with you generally, but, given the labyrinthine nature of Ashley's involvement with wikipedia, it seems like it is more useful to look for links first rather than last.

Aside from the basket-case-cabal that runs commons these days, Ashley's list of dependable allies in the WMF world is negligible these days... they've long dropped him because he doesn't make for good PR.

Maybe y'all might want to stop picking on the guy, because at this point he's someone we should be welcoming into our fold. I doubt many of us have been burned as badly as they're burning him now, and he surely has some stories to tell.

Isn't he still Chair of the inter-chapter organisation which is potentially a strong powerbase?

Aside from the basket-case-cabal that runs commons these days, Ashley's list of dependable allies in the WMF world is negligible these days... they've long dropped him because he doesn't make for good PR.

Maybe y'all might want to stop picking on the guy, because at this point he's someone we should be welcoming into our fold. I doubt many of us have been burned as badly as they're burning him now, and he surely has some stories to tell.

Maybe y'all might want to stop picking on the guy, because at this point he's someone we should be welcoming into our fold. I doubt many of us have been burned as badly as they're burning him now, and he surely has some stories to tell.

Aside from the basket-case-cabal that runs commons these days, Ashley's list of dependable allies in the WMF world is negligible these days... they've long dropped him because he doesn't make for good PR.

Maybe y'all might want to stop picking on the guy, because at this point he's someone we should be welcoming into our fold. I doubt many of us have been burned as badly as they're burning him now, and he surely has some stories to tell.

If I may. I haven't been burned by those simps at all. He used a hateful set of rules, representing them as wonderful make glorious Wikipedia rules, to try to smear and destroy others. My interest in Mr. Van Haeften is due to his attempts to smear me, and others, as bigots because he couldn't get his way. Do you know what "big boy rules" means? I suspect one or two of the regulars here might, but not many.

For me, Mr. Van Haeften is subject to big boy rules (essentially, live by the sword, die by the sword). Suffering? The only "suffering" has involved being exposed to rather mild, and extremely obscure, scrutiny. At this website, he's experienced 1/1000 of the scrutiny that his kinsman, Lance Armstrong, has suffered.

He should thank his lucky stars that no sane person gives a toss about him. If the general public cared about, and understood, his behavior he couldn't cross the street without verbal abuse.

Isn't he still Chair of the inter-chapter organisation which is potentially a strong powerbase?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Markus Glaser <markus.glaser@wikimedia.de>
Date: 26 January 2013 15:50
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Job offer: Secretary-General for Chapters Association
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>


Dear all,

after a long period of discussions and clarifications, we are now finally starting our search for a Secretary-General to serve the Chapters Association.
Please distribute to following text to as many of your contacts, mailing-lists and networks as possible.

Thank you very much,
kind regards,

Markus
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
------------------------------------------

The Chapters Association (CA) will be an umbrella organization for Wikimedia chapters established in various regions around the world. The association represents the common interests of those chapters within the Wikimedia movement.

One of its goals is to set, review and enforce standards of accountability and participation among its members. The association will facilitate the exchange of experiences, ideas, and knowledge between chapters and assist them in their organizational development and to develop common programs and projects.


To enhance external communication, coordinate the Wikimedia movement and represent its chapters on official occasions, CA is looking for an experienced and motivated person to become the full-time

Secretary-General (f/m)

of the Chapters Association.
CA is incorporated in Geneva, however depending on your place of residence a relocation might not be necessary.


Job description

The Secretary-General is to be head of the CA?s Secretariat as defined by the CA?s charter. The Secretariat performs the executive powers of the Association. The Secretary-General will be elected by the Council. The other Members of the Secretariat are appointed by the Secretary-General, with the consent of the Council. The Secretariat reports to the Council on the Association's activities and has the right to submit proposals for Council resolutions.

She/He will be responsible for:

* Defining the organizational structure, publishing job offers and
hiring the officers of the secretariat;
* Building the strategic plan for the association;
* Assuring the financial stability of the organization;
* Coordinating between all association members;
* Building annual program plans to achieve the CA mission;
* Handling all formal administrative tasks including finance,
communications, legal and technical;
* and preparing the assemblies of the CA council.


Desired personal traits


* Leader -- the selected Secretary-General will have to build the
organization from its earliest stages according to the outlines set
by the CA council.
* Administrator -- some of the tasks of the Secretary-General would be
of administrative nature. She/He would have to write detailed
program plans, review by-laws, financial reports, program plans and
program reports of other organizations.
* Excellent communication skills -- one of the the Secretary-General's
primary tasks would be to communicate with member chapters. Those
chapters are dispersed in different regions of the worlds
representing various cultural habits. The selected Secretary-General
would have to be multi-culturally-minded to work effectively with
these partners.
* Willing and able to travel world-wide.
* Proven experience with building and managing a large diverse
organization.
* Comfortable working with people at all levels of the organization,
including community members and volunteers.
* Experience in other like-minded/ international/ volunteer-driven/
non-profit/ peer-review-driven organizations would be considered as
an advantage.


* The ideal candidate will be hard-working, creative,
highly-motivated, and able to operate and effectively manage
multiple cultural contexts, time-zones and expectations
* Incredible diplomatic problem-solving skills in an international
environment as well as the ability to deal comfortably and
efficiently with ambiguity and an ever changing environment


* Must be fluent in English; skill in other languages would be
considered as an advantage.


Great to have

* University degree
* Experience within the Wikimedia movement. However, according to CA?s
charter a Member of the Secretariat cannot be a Council Member or
hold a position in a Chapter or in the Wikimedia Foundation.
* Love working with a highly collaborative, consensus oriented environment


Competitive salary package. Please send your cover letter, full CV, salary expectations and at least two references in one .pdf file to: chaptersassociation@wikimedia.ch <mailto:chaptersassociation@wikimedia.ch>
In case of any questions, please also use email and the address given above.
Publication date: 26.01.2013 - Application deadline: 15.02.2013

Seat and postal address: Wikimedia Switzerland, 8008 Zurich
Office: Wikimedia CH, Escaliers du Marché 2, CH-1003 Lausanne
Web: http://www.wikimedia.ch

--
Markus Glaser
WCA Council Member (WMDE)
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.

* Incredible diplomatic problem-solving skills in an international
environment as well as the ability to deal comfortably and
efficiently with ambiguity and an ever changing environment

Oh, well.

I've said this before, but the chapters are destined to become a clusterfuck of monumental proportions, and they are only now starting to hatch.

Agreed, they will either hire one of their insiders (my money's on Beria Lima, she's crazy enough to want the job, but ultimately who knows?) or else hire an outsider with nonprofit experience. Fae? I seriously doubt it.

Which of course is why Fae is in a permanent stew over Wikipedia. There he has been, working his bots off trying to create the image of a wonderful Wikipedian, and he enables every gravy train and can never get on it, while being abused for his "efforts".

I'm sure that he is incredibly confused how Bamkin et al. have been able to carry on generating a business and working with the oft-banned Prioryman can carry on abusing the public in full view and it all went pear-shaped for him when he'd barely managed to get a memory stick out of the project.

Oh, well.

"Commons" will not stop you reusing images in this way, but the community here cannot advise you if you are breaking local laws, particularly when creating derived works of portraits of people. In the UK, I would have to be careful that the images did not constitute a hate crime, such as promoting homophobic hatred, or considered a form of libel for which I might be subject to a claim of damages. One thing Commons can do, is remove derived works where there is no reasonable expectation of educational use or where personal rights are not being respected. As for 'Whambo', no comment. --Fæ (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

We [WMUK] hold a number of events each year, some public, some invitation only, some limited to people who signup and some open to all. Some of the attendees have been legally minors, some of our critics and at least one banned editor have attended events or signed up to attend them. Wikipedia gets a steady stream of controversial editors and the UK probably has its fair share of the millions of editors who have been blocked or had their work deleted. So I suggest that one risk which should be on the list is the risk of an incident occurring at one of our events. WereSpielChequers (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

We've got a banned editor who keeps turning up to board meetings! --Tango (talk) 19:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

The reply, not so amusing.

Oh, I don't know, he did say he was thinking of someone whose ban was justified, so he doesn't mean Peter. Not sure who he is thinking of though.

Oh, I don't know, he did say he was thinking of someone whose ban was justified, so he doesn't mean Peter. Not sure who he is thinking of though.

Oh, I don't know, he did say he was thinking of someone whose ban was justified, so he doesn't mean Peter. Not sure who he is thinking of though.

What an obnoxious, little spud.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.ph ... d=91281807

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair#Inaccurate_statement

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair#Statement_from_the_current_Chair

Fae wishes to inaccurately label me as a homophobe on a page that's going to be view by tens or hundreds of people (I'm not sure how many people are involved in these elections). He wants to make himself look good ("the victim") in front of tens or hundreds of people at my expense.

Fae wishes to inaccurately label me as a homophobe on a page that's going to be view by tens or hundreds of people (I'm not sure how many people are involved in these elections or reading the Signpost). He wants to make himself look good ("the victim") in front of tens or hundreds of people at my expense.

If you're going to gleefully use Encyclopedia Dramatica as your speech platform, you hardly have any credibility to complain about your being "inaccurately labeled".

ED isn't a platform for an election. I don't use ED to become loved and idolized by others. I don't use ED in order to mislead people into believing that some person is a homophobe.

If you use ED, you are rubbing shoulders with racists, homophobes, and crazies. Some of it splatters on you.

They're mock racists / homophobes / crazies, not the real deal. For example, Wnt's behavior on ED, especially at the TJC:

''any future edits on this irrelevant topic will be reverted without comment.

You are vandalising a Meta page of the Wikimedia Chapters Association. Deal with the issue where it occurred. You are plainly at the completely wrong place here. --[[de:User:80686|Manuel Schneider]]^{[[de:User Talk:80686|(bla)]]&nbsp;[[de:User:80686/Bewertung|(+/-)]]} 19:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
:It's a ''talk page''. I didn't touch the main page. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|talk]]) 19:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I realize we all choose different paths.
But you don't see a lot of Klan costumes at Halloween.

I restored your comment, let's see if it sticks.

There is something quite incredible about what Fae is doing on Commons. He seems to be using an automated script to just dump a shitload of images from a database. Given the timestamps, it seems likely that he is basically just logging onto his computer, turning on a script in the morning, and then just letting it run until he goes to sleep at night. I doubt he's even in front of the computer most of the time, I certainly don't think he is actually looking over the uploads.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair&diff=5288080&oldid=5286358

Fae removed the inaccuracy from his statement, and Nemo bis removed the discussion that explained the entire ordeal:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Elections/2013_Chair&diff=5288097&oldid=5288069

No, we are not seeking a pair of queens. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 21:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)