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Re BARC, a strange coincidence today. BARC was mentioned here last night - long forgotten actually sensible idea.
Kudpung has now just deleted some old drafts relating to BARC and then, in the polemic he is building, adds his WO put down from 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =935387311
Kudpung has now just deleted some old drafts relating to BARC and then, in the polemic he is building, adds his WO put down from 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =935387311
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The British government is well aware of that. Last year, Boris Johnson tried more than once to dissolve Parliament but was unable to as this requires a two-thirds majority. It took ages to get that majority.
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Having read the full contribution, I worry that Kudpung (T-C-L) overdosed on Thai coffee (T-H-L)s or something more potent (or under-dosed …).Kudpung wrote:I've ''never'' felt the need to follow blogs or that vile place they call ''Wikipediocracy (T-H-L)'' for which I find the advert here, however critical of it, totally unnecesary (having never been there, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the main hangout for the leaders of the anti-admin brigade and their coat-tail snatchers).
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or maybe absinthe
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He's never been here nor read anything from here, yet we're a vile place of anti-admin opposition...
Snowflake culture at its finest.
Snowflake culture at its finest.
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The writing is on the wall.
Prepare your orifice, Kudpung.I had (perhaps naively) hoped this might be resolvable as a declined case request, one that delivered structured feedback that Kudpung would take on board and self-moderate, but since they have chosen not to engage further at the request stage, I would accept the case. There do not exist community processes to adequately or effectively address the concerns raised. –xenotalk 12:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:28 amRe BARC, a strange coincidence today. BARC was mentioned here last night - long forgotten actually sensible idea.
Kudpung has now just deleted some old drafts relating to BARC and then, in the polemic he is building, adds his WO put down from 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =935387311
THE ANTI-ADMIN BRIGADEHerr Dumbelschitzen wrote:So you want to get your message out. Where do you turn?: If we were to read everything this article suggests we would have no time to get on with our other work let alone what we do on Wikipedia. I'm a very busy admin (sometimes) and I've never felt the need to follow blogs or that vile place they call ''Wikipediocracy'' for which I find the advert here, however critical of it, totally unnecessary (having never been there, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the main hangout for the leaders of the anti-admin brigade and their coat-tail snatchers). [July 11, 2015]
• Guerillero (Former Arb, Administrator since 2011) - Case filer
• Missvain (Administrator since 2012) - Leading complainant
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In reading over the request comments, several made by Kudpung's legion of Christmas card recipients, it is clear that there remains a reasonable chance that he skates with an admonishment.
The total number of comments to date, 34, does not indicate a seething caldron of passionate sentiment about him. While there is truly zero chance he makes it through another RFA, there's a decent chance he doesn't have to go through one.
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The Legion of Christmas card recipients:
The total number of comments to date, 34, does not indicate a seething caldron of passionate sentiment about him. While there is truly zero chance he makes it through another RFA, there's a decent chance he doesn't have to go through one.
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The Legion of Christmas card recipients:
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It would be a quick way to short circuit all of the sturm und drang of a full blown case.
If ARBCOM accepts a case concerning admin behavior, the defendant must pass a new RfA within 30 days or lose the tools.
I strongly suspect a wave of admin attitude improvement would occur.
If ARBCOM accepts a case concerning admin behavior, the defendant must pass a new RfA within 30 days or lose the tools.
I strongly suspect a wave of admin attitude improvement would occur.
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FancyRandy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:24 pmCan somebody point me to the magical tool that marks common pages of editor interactions? I'd very much like to locate the exchange between Kudpung and me in which he went after me as a "paid editor"...
https://tools.wmflabs.org/interaction-t ... 1576195200
Set the startDate
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https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py
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I'd say that this was an excellent idea. Being an excellent idea means that they'll never implement it though.Vigilant wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:34 pmIt would be a quick way to short circuit all of the sturm und drang of a full blown case.
If ARBCOM accepts a case concerning admin behavior, the defendant must pass a new RfA within 30 days or lose the tools.
I strongly suspect a wave of admin attitude improvement would occur.
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What do we know? This looks like all girls together discussing the ACE2019, including our hero, Kudpung....
https://www.wikizero.com/en/User_talk:B ... id_Zebedee
What do we know? This looks like all girls together discussing the ACE2019, including our hero, Kudpung....
https://www.wikizero.com/en/User_talk:B ... id_Zebedee
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But will being in with the in crowd help him? Or will it bring them all tumbling down?Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:10 pmWikizero
What do we know? This looks like all girls together discussing the ACE2019, including our hero, Kudpung....
https://www.wikizero.com/en/User_talk:B ... id_Zebedee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOWO--z1S8A
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Surely it's obvious that this is an anti-admin forum. Just look at how many anti-admin people are on here, such as NYB, Beeblebrox, etc.,etc.
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Unusual delay. No clerks?
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There's a standard 24-hour hold once the case is confirmed as accepted, that was up just a few hours ago. From what I gather I would expect it to be open today.
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Note: The rejected BARC proposal did gain a qualified majority.
Look at the stats-table at top in "BARC only has support among non-admins"Poetlister wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:08 pmTo be fair, to do something as major as setting up a new disciplinary committee would require much more than a simple majority. It's effectively a constitutional amendment.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:55 pmBack in the summer of 2015, Kudpung teamed up with his friend Worm That Turned (T-C-L) to propose formation of a Bureaucrats' Administrative Review Committee (BARC), which would have established a mechanism outside of Arbcom for the discipline of rogue administrators. The RFC failed of passage by a vote of 115 (for) to 77 (opposed), thanks to Wikipedia's idiotic Minority Rules pseudo-consensus vote-counting system, which makes the American electoral college look like an exercise in democracy...
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The numbnuts who ruled that a 60-40 landslide was a victory for the minority was MDann52 (T-C-L) .
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P.S. I get WTT's recusal now. Good move, Dave.
: The BARC proposal got support from 77% (rounded from 0.7653...) of Editors.
Hence it's Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators - causing the majority to be "only" 62-38.
Therefore, the actual support, when ignoring groups apt for recusal, is 77-23 NOT 62-38.
Well, 77-23, is a qualified majority, regardless of whether you pick a qualified majority to mean 2/3 or 3/4.
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That's an excellent point. However, I doubt that many of the Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators could be persuaded that they should recuse. Anyway, if the crats all oppose the idea, who would run this process?DexterPointy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:00 amLook at the stats-table at top in "BARC only has support among non-admins"
: The BARC proposal got support from 77% (rounded from 0.7653...) of Editors.
Hence it's Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators - causing the majority to be "only" 62-38.
Therefore, the actual support, when ignoring groups apt for recusal, is 77-23 NOT 62-38.
Well, 77-23, is a qualified majority, regardless of whether you pick a qualified majority to mean 2/3 or 3/4.
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Re: Note: The rejected BARC proposal did gain a qualified majority.
There's no need for a crat to make policy changes. It's a "self-governing community", isn't it? At least in theory.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:24 amThat's an excellent point. However, I doubt that many of the Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators could be persuaded that they should recuse. Anyway, if the crats all oppose the idea, who would run this process?DexterPointy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:00 amTherefore, the actual support, when ignoring groups apt for recusal, is 77-23 NOT 62-38.
However, it would be a smoother transition if a crat would take matters in hand. A reminder that the community gave them elevated rights for the reason to serve the community should be helpful. If not, WP:COI also applies.
Unfortunately, that's not what happened. The policy-making and policy-executing roles are separated in democracies, but not in Wikipedia.
Iron law of oligarchy (T-H-L) applies instead, resulting in that outcome.
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,,, in which said article uses WP as an example.
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Well, I actually started drafting a new thread for this forum, aiming at booting & running a process for "all" WP-Editors, to create a desysop process, but then realised that I can't afford the time & work that'd call for.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:24 amThat's an excellent point. However, I doubt that many of the Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators could be persuaded that they should recuse. Anyway, if the crats all oppose the idea, who would run this process?DexterPointy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:00 amLook at the stats-table at top in "BARC only has support among non-admins"
: The BARC proposal got support from 77% (rounded from 0.7653...) of Editors.
Hence it's Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators - causing the majority to be "only" 62-38.
Therefore, the actual support, when ignoring groups apt for recusal, is 77-23 NOT 62-38.
Well, 77-23, is a qualified majority, regardless of whether you pick a qualified majority to mean 2/3 or 3/4.
Though, if anyone want to throw themselves (their time & efforts) into leading & administering such a process, and if sufficiently many others here (and possibly elsewhere too), are willing to throw their time & efforts into assisting the labouring of the process, then ... the TL;DR of it, is: Use WP and Google as platforms. Run it outside WP on Google Services (using some of GDocs-suite services, eg. GSheets, and Google Groups), and use WP only for: Inviting Editors, and WP-Identity verification (using a manual handshaking token mechanism, i.e. a "Please post this hash on your Talk-page"-protocol-thingy).
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Re: Note: The rejected BARC proposal did gain a qualified majority.
Remember the case of Fred Bauder, who went berserk and was blocked, but then unblocked himself and carried on. A crat rightly desysopped him, there was a great hooha and it had to go to Arbcom.Osborne wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:25 pmThere's no need for a crat to make policy changes. It's a "self-governing community", isn't it? At least in theory.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:24 amThat's an excellent point. However, I doubt that many of the Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators could be persuaded that they should recuse. Anyway, if the crats all oppose the idea, who would run this process?DexterPointy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:00 amTherefore, the actual support, when ignoring groups apt for recusal, is 77-23 NOT 62-38.
However, it would be a smoother transition if a crat would take matters in hand. A reminder that the community gave them elevated rights for the reason to serve the community should be helpful. If not, WP:COI also applies.
Unfortunately, that's not what happened. The policy-making and policy-executing roles are separated in democracies, but not in Wikipedia.
Iron law of oligarchy (T-H-L) applies instead, resulting in that outcome.
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Some performance art on the evidence page.
Is the final product going to be some form of interpretive dance?curprev 19:05, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs 8,375 bytes -8,434 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": Move to userspace for shortening undo
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Now he's took the whole lot down. Have to say I'm disappointed. Was hoping for a smoking gunVigilant wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:13 pmSome performance art on the evidence page.Is the final product going to be some form of interpretive dance?curprev 19:05, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs 8,375 bytes -8,434 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": Move to userspace for shortening undo
curprev 18:30, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs 16,809 bytes +2,096 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": A year later... undo
curprev 17:07, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs m 14,713 bytes +1 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": * undo
curprev 17:06, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs m 14,712 bytes +16 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": "sisterhood" undo
curprev 17:03, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs m 14,696 bytes +1 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": Atkinson undo
curprev 17:02, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs 14,695 bytes +118 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": Ti-Grace Atkison undo
curprev 17:00, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs 14,577 bytes +4,957 →Evidence presented by GRuban: Note, Kudpung and GorillaWarfare are '''on the same side'''. Strongly so. undo
curprev 16:26, 15 January 2020 GRuban talk contribs 9,620 bytes +1,227 →"Sisterhood," Atkinson famously said, "is powerful. It kills. Mostly sisters.": Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Megalibrarygirl undo
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
I suspect Mr. Ruban ran into the same problem others have run into when trying to defend Mr. Kudpung: If you quote him in order to convince others of his non-malicious intent, you necessarily have to include the quotes themselves, which act as strong prima facie evidence of someone who is arrogant, imperious, narcissistic, and increasingly erratic, not to mention a little weird.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:45 pmNow he's took the whole lot down. Have to say I'm disappointed....
He's not the only Wikipedian for whom that applies, but he's probably the most prominent over the course of the past decade or so.
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Re: Note: The rejected BARC proposal did gain a qualified majority.
A 'crat who is now a member of ArbCon, no less.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:19 pmRemember the case of Fred Bauder, who went berserk and was blocked, but then unblocked himself and carried on. A crat rightly desysopped him, there was a great hooha and it had to go to Arbcom.Osborne wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:25 pmThere's no need for a crat to make policy changes. It's a "self-governing community", isn't it? At least in theory.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:24 amThat's an excellent point. However, I doubt that many of the Administrators, Bureaucrats, and Arbitrators could be persuaded that they should recuse. Anyway, if the crats all oppose the idea, who would run this process?DexterPointy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:00 amTherefore, the actual support, when ignoring groups apt for recusal, is 77-23 NOT 62-38.
However, it would be a smoother transition if a crat would take matters in hand. A reminder that the community gave them elevated rights for the reason to serve the community should be helpful. If not, WP:COI also applies.
Unfortunately, that's not what happened. The policy-making and policy-executing roles are separated in democracies, but not in Wikipedia.
Iron law of oligarchy (T-H-L) applies instead, resulting in that outcome.
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Re: Note: The rejected BARC proposal did gain a qualified majority.
That never should've been a full case, the whole thing was an exercise in process for process' sake. A simple motion upholding Maxim's desysop of Fred was all that was needed.el84 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:14 pmA 'crat who is now a member of ArbCon, no less.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:19 pmRemember the case of Fred Bauder, who went berserk and was blocked, but then unblocked himself and carried on. A crat rightly desysopped him, there was a great hooha and it had to go to Arbcom.
But then I wouldn't have had the fun experience of Fred trying to turn around and literally blame the entire affair on me, that was special.
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Re: Note: The rejected BARC proposal did gain a qualified majority.
From what I've read, Fred Bauder appears to have been clinically insane.Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:42 pmThat never should've been a full case, the whole thing was an exercise in process for process' sake. A simple motion upholding Maxim's desysop of Fred was all that was needed.el84 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:14 pmA 'crat who is now a member of ArbCon, no less.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:19 pmRemember the case of Fred Bauder, who went berserk and was blocked, but then unblocked himself and carried on. A crat rightly desysopped him, there was a great hooha and it had to go to Arbcom.
But then I wouldn't have had the fun experience of Fred trying to turn around and literally blame the entire affair on me, that was special.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
BUMP.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:01 pmI'm not sure this is a big enough matter to be accepted and get him, but it's definitely gonna put him on Arbcom's radar.
Kudpung is an unstable person who has lost the trust of the community. That's pretty widely accepted. But getting to a case that will pull his tools is a tricky matter — I don't think he has shit on enough of The Right People yet. But the fact that it's Guerillero filing the complaint at Arbcom hints that he's really close to getting squished by a truck.
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This is right on target. Clip and save.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
I dunno.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:31 amBUMP.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:01 pmI'm not sure this is a big enough matter to be accepted and get him, but it's definitely gonna put him on Arbcom's radar.
Kudpung is an unstable person who has lost the trust of the community. That's pretty widely accepted. But getting to a case that will pull his tools is a tricky matter — I don't think he has shit on enough of The Right People yet. But the fact that it's Guerillero filing the complaint at Arbcom hints that he's really close to getting squished by a truck.
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This is right on target. Clip and save.
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P.S. Outcome is going to be an admonishment, and a mealy-mouthed one at that.
WP:FRAM is a thing.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
Vigilant wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:41 amI dunno.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:31 amBUMP.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:01 pmI'm not sure this is a big enough matter to be accepted and get him, but it's definitely gonna put him on Arbcom's radar.
Kudpung is an unstable person who has lost the trust of the community. That's pretty widely accepted. But getting to a case that will pull his tools is a tricky matter — I don't think he has shit on enough of The Right People yet. But the fact that it's Guerillero filing the complaint at Arbcom hints that he's really close to getting squished by a truck.
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This is right on target. Clip and save.
tim
P.S. Outcome is going to be an admonishment, and a mealy-mouthed one at that.
WP:FRAM is a thing.
He is one incident short of a tar-and-feathering. They will give him the feathers this time. Next time maybe he gets the tar.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
If you're right, he'll probably Diva Quit at that point.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
Iridescent does nail it, however...
This case was one incident premature.I think I have better things to do with my time then get involved in something as blatantly "verdict first, trial later" as this one. I've semi-joked before that it's possible to predict the outcome of arbcom cases before they even take place just by looking at the personal grudges of the participants and calculating how far they each think they'll be able to push their preferred outcome and still call it a compromise, but I'm not sure I can recall an example this blatant before. Why not just save everyone the time and jump straight to "Kudpung admonished" now?'' ‑ Iridescent 15 January 2020
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
I suspect you're both wrong here.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
George Ruban moved it to his own userspace, because the 1000 word limit suddenly struck him,Midsize Jake wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:12 pmI suspect Mr. Ruban ran into the same problem others have run into when trying to defend Mr. Kudpung: If you quote him in order to convince others of his non-malicious intent, you necessarily have to include the quotes themselves, which act as strong prima facie evidence of someone who is arrogant, imperious, narcissistic, and increasingly erratic, not to mention a little weird.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:45 pmNow he's took the whole lot down. Have to say I'm disappointed....
He's not the only Wikipedian for whom that applies, but he's probably the most prominent over the course of the past decade or so.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
I saw that, but his intent there was fairly clear, no? He thought he could "correct the record" by reproducing various Kudpung quotes in their entirety, along with short contextual explanations — in other words, implying that those who accuse him of creepiness or sexism are cherry-picking lines out of context, and thereby ignoring the full context which he feels is exculpatory.DexterPointy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:07 amGeorge Ruban moved it to his own userspace, because the 1000 word limit suddenly struck him,
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If he can do that, and then go back and read the results (even in-process results) and not think he's actually making things worse for Mr. Kudpung, then I'd say he has a serious perceptiveness problem.
You may well be right, though. It's only been what, about 4 hours since he moved all that stuff... so I guess we'll find out tomorrow or thereabouts.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
I'm not so sure: If Kudpung is merely admonished, then an appeal to Trust and Safety from one of his high profile victims might be effective - and Arbcom might be overruled... which would not be a good look for Arbcom.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
If he has stepped on the toes of someone closely related to prominent wmf figures, then yes. Otherwise, TnS has no incentive to do anything.Silent Editor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:33 amI'm not so sure: If Kudpung is merely admonished, then an appeal to Trust and Safety from one of his high profile victims might be effective - and Arbcom might be overruled... which would not be a good look for Arbcom.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
Speaking of high profile contributors to the case, then something is coming down the mountain @ "Evidence extension".
Whatever 1500 word stew Molly is cooking on Chris, it's probably not without bite, or overly sweet.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
She's already at 1,510, so I guess she'll need a bigger extension.DexterPointy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:57 amWhatever 1500 word stew Molly is cooking on Chris, it's probably not without bite, or overly sweet.
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I suspect you're right.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
It's too rambling (said the guy who posts his own rambling posts) - she would do good to tighten it, and she probably can. Chopping off 10 words from 1,500 is usually easy anyhow.Midsize Jake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:19 amShe's already at 1,510, so I guess she'll need a bigger extension.DexterPointy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:57 amWhatever 1500 word stew Molly is cooking on Chris, it's probably not without bite, or overly sweet.
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
Her prose needs a severe editor.
Is there still a bulletin board at which she could offer to pay, e.g., Eric or a friendly English-educated barrister committed to the empowerment of women and queerfolk in tech and the internet?
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I hear that all you have to do is run an ad on ODesk and the applicants come rushing out of the woodwork from all sides...Moral Hazard wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:28 pmHer prose needs a severe editor.
Is there still a bulletin board at which she could offer to pay, e.g., Eric or a friendly English-educated barrister commited to the empowerment of women and queerfolk in tech and the internet?
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Quite right. Also, he might not like queerfolk as one word.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:48 pmI hear that all you have to do is run an ad on ODesk and the applicants come rushing out of the woodwork from all sides...Moral Hazard wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:28 pmHer prose needs a severe editor.
Is there still a bulletin board at which she could offer to pay, e.g., Eric or a friendly English-educated barrister commited to the empowerment of women and queerfolk in tech and the internet?
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Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
Meh, there1, that is merely a revival of the old Aug.2018 spat2.Icewhiz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:56 pmIt's too rambling (said the guy who posts his own rambling posts) - she would do good to tighten it, and she probably can. Chopping off 10 words from 1,500 is usually easy anyhow.Midsize Jake wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:19 amShe's already at 1,510, so I guess she'll need a bigger extension.DexterPointy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:57 amWhatever 1500 word stew Molly is cooking on Chris, it's probably not without bite, or overly sweet.
The igniting on-wiki point is fairly described in Molly's present sandbox, as
Molly basically self-ignited: What Chris probably knew, is what everyone either knew or easily could have know, and that "what" is found in the very first sentence on Molly's WP-Userpage, as it was in Aug.20183 : "Hello, I'm Molly White, or GorillaWarfare." (It was only later, 3.Sep.2018, she changed it to: "Hello, I'm GorillaWarfare, or Molly White.", hence swapping the order of personal addressing preference).In a discussion on Kudpung's talk page (link to full discussion), Kudpung wrote a comment pinging me that stated in part, Let's see what {{U|Ritchie333}}, {{U|Joe Roe}}, {{U|Boing! said Zebedee }}, {{U|Ad Orientem}}, and {{U|GorillaWarfare|Molly White}} from among our most experienced and respected admins say, and the many other admins who commented there. As you can see, he added a second parameter to the {{U}} template specifically so that my username would display my real name, something he did not do with the other administrators mentioned.
Note! Don't revive that discussion here, because Jake (wikipediocracy admin) may censor you away, as a reminiscence shows here4.
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