Laura in Wikiland

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:12 am

Everywhere Laura Hale goes
She always takes the Hale storm with her.

DanMurphy · Unread post by **DanMurphy** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:42 pm

Vigilant wrote:My favorite is Wiki Walls. Nigh unintelligible.

A topographical map of a disordered mind.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:03 pm

Ho. Lee. Shit.

Who the fuck would make a video of scrawls on whiteboard walls unless it was to take it home and convert it into something coherent on paper? But publishing that shit to YouTube?!?!

Sheesh.

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Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:56 pm

Speaking of fluidity and empowering women, what ever happened to the WMF's Flow system?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:01 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:Speaking of fluidity and empowering women, what ever happened to the WMF's Flow system?

It has become self aware and is driving the Fram ARBCOM debacle from behind a grubby digital curtain.

eagle · Unread post by **eagle** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:17 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:Speaking of fluidity and empowering women, what ever happened to the WMF's Flow system?

It encountered unexpected turbulence. Flow is the reason that we need Fram back on the job as soon as possible.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:09 pm

A little bit of digging has yielded some nuggets.

Resume

Resume
Laura Hale
LinkedIn
Education

PhD in Communications, October 2012.
University of Canberra, Bruce, ACT
Masters of Science in Education in Instructional Technology, May 2005.
Northern Illinois University, DeKalb, IL
Bachelor of General Studies, August 2002.
Northern Illinois University, DeKalb, IL
Elgin Community College, Elgin, IL, May 1994 to May 2007.
40 credits.

Skills

Wikis

Created training materials to assist people in learning how to use English Wikipedia, Commons and organise cultural institution projects on various Wikimedia Foundation projects.
Talked to sport organisations about the value of donating content for use on Wikimedia Foundation projects.
Created a Wikipoject for women’s sport on English Wikipedia and helped created the organisational framework for the History of the Paralympic Movement in Australia project on English Wikipedia.
Created over 580 articles on English Wikipedia.
Improved and expanded upon over 50 English Wikipedia articles that resulted in their appear on the front page of Wikipedia.
Created several spoken word articles on English and Simple Wikipedia.
Created organizational principles for a wiki with over 900,000 articles.
Created policies for Fan History Wiki. Policies covered wide range of areas including privacy, article deletion policy, administrative procedural policies.
Developed databases for mass article creation on Fan History.
Edited multiple articles for content quality on Fan History and English Wikipedia.
Advised other wikis on how to do Search Engine Optimization and use social media to increase the number of contributors.
Assisted Police Wiki in choosing the appropriate copyright policy.
Assisted in organizing multiple RecentChangesCamp, a wiki conference.
Provided live support for AboutUs as an admin in their chat room and on the wiki.
Wrote social media related articles for wikiHow.

Market Research / Reputation Management

Conducted social media research on various Australian sports groups over an extended period of time, with some of this information being presented to Australian sport stakeholders to help guide their decision making processes as it related to social media.
Documented the history of fan communities across fandom including different social networks, cliques, relationship pairings, fansites, television shows, music groups.
Advised company on using fandom friendly wording for a marketing campaign for a contest they were running.
Developed lists of key influencers and influential sites and groups in specific fan communities. Detailed which members of those lists were worth contacting and which ones could lead to potential public relations problems as a result of different philosophies in the fan community in how they deal with commercial interests in their fan specific spaces.
Generated data sets for activities taking place in the fan community. This included number of new stories posted to several fan fiction archives, and activity levels LiveJournal communities, LiveJournal clones and mailing lists.
Explained what analytic data generated in fandom meant in the context of a company’s business interests.
Monitored what the fan community said about a company. Analysed what this meant for the company, their public relations and advised the company on how to respond.
Researched privacy issues in fandom and what conflicting ideas regarding privacy mean for people and companies operating in the space.
Advised fan fiction archives on strategies to increase their traffic and what sort of content they should be seeking in order to grow their market share in the fan fiction community. Advised on making fandom friendly policy decisions and how to handle the issues of advertising on fansites.

Social Media / Community Outreach

Maintained newsletter pages that highlighted Australian cultural outreach on Wikimedia Foundation projects. Reached out to members of Wikimedia Australia, Australian Wikipedians, New Zealand Wikipedians, Australian cultural organisations to include information on their activities on these project.
Developed a resource for use by Australian Wikimedians to use when discussing potential future collaboration with Australian and Oceania based cultural institutions.
Reached out to Australian Paralympians via e-mail, LinkedIn and on Twitter to encourage them to be involved as part of the History of Paralympic Movement in Australia project.
Ran the RecentChangesCamp twitter account during the three periods around Australian hosting of the event.
Promoted Australian Wikimedia related events using Wikimedia project resources like geonotices. Promoted these projects on related mailing lists, on personal Facebook and Twitter accounts, and on IRC channels.
Attained grant funding from Wikimedia Australia to engage in community outreach efforts.
Developed Facebook strategy for a business. Determined which modes of interaction to allow. Created and updated Facebook fan page.
Implemented Twitter and Identi.ca strategy to increase Fan History’s visibility. Have over 3,000 followers and 17,500 updates on Twitter. Have over 1,100 updates on Identi.ca.
Developed and created Twitter strategy for a business. Did comparative analysis for other businesses operating in a similar space.
Consulted with an entertainment wiki regarding developing a Twitter strategy.
Contacted members of the fan community on blogs, LiveJournal, Quizilla, FanFiction.Net, Xanga, orkut, bebo, MySpace, FaceBook, Yahoo!Groups to ask them how we can better help serve the fan community and to solicit their help in improving content on Fan History in order to work on Fan History’s mission of documenting the history of fandom.
Reached out to the fan wiki community to inform them about events going on that would be of interest to them and solicit their help with Fan History.
Used Yahoo!Answers as part of being a good neighbour, increase our visibility, develop good will towards Fan History.
Created a blog which offers advice to the fan community on how to increase traffic to sites, provide news about what may impact their fannish experience, report on fandom news and inform members of Fan History’s community about plans for the site.

Search Engine Optimization

Implemented link building plan for Fan History Wiki increased traffic from 600 search engine related visits a day to 1,700 to the site in the period between June 2008 and February 2009. Focus was on using social bookmarking sites and entertainment related sites such as AnimeNewsNetwork, IMDB, FanPop, LiveJournal, InsaneJournal, Chickipedia, Wikia, Quizilla, etc.
Targeted for specific keywords on Fan History when fandom news broke which resulted in increase in traffic to those pages. Examples of fandom news optimised for included the Open Source Boob Project, Twilight movie release, Barack Obama fan fiction, FaerieCon, and Jorja Fox pregnancy rumors.
Implemented plan to improve content to increase traffic. Articles included Sakura Lemon Archive, Galbadia Hotel, Bandom, Quizilla and FanLib.

Teaching / Curriculum Design, Library and Technology Support

Taught high school English for grades 9, 11 and 12 based on the CNMI’s learning standards.
Created curriculum support materials for using Wikimedia projects in the high school and college curriculum.
Created own curriculum for use in a high school English classroom based around learning standards created by the CNMI.
Participated in accreditation process for Tinian Jr. Sr. High School.
Worked with other teachers to include skills and knowledge application from English into other parts of the curriculum.
Integrated a constructivist approach into the classroom by relating English language writing lessons to situations that exists outside the classroom.
Assisted other educators in creating instructional materials.
Integrated college preparation and career guidance into existing English standards of learning.
Created a curriculum for fifth grade students that taught technology and information literary skills.
Created an instructional manual for teachers on how to use technology and information.
Created educational materials for students and staff on library usage. Assisted students and staff in locating library materials.
Trained teachers in the use of technology.
Created web quests to support curriculum goals.
Assisted in teaching lessons in the computer lab.
Assisted teachers in finding computer based curriculum materials.
Catalogued, inventoried and processed books, magazines, videos and software. Checked these materials in and out of the library for students and staff.

Experience

Wikimedia Australia. October 2011 to present. Vice-president.
History of the Paralympic Movement in Australia. May 2011 to January 2012. Wikimedian in Residence.
Fan History Wiki. June 2006 to January 2011. Founder.
Dunkirk Systems LLC. December 2009 to June 2010. Social media strategist.
Dundee Township Park District. Carpentersville, Illinois. January 2009 to March 2010. Youth basketball scorekeeper.
FanLib/Take 180 Studios. May 2007 to June 2009. Consultant working involving reputation management and fandom oriented marketing.
Target. Algonquin, Illinois. September 2006 to November 2006. Food sampler.
Tinian Junior Senior High School. Tinian, Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, United States. January 2006 to April 2006. English teacher.
Community Unit School District 300. Carpentersville, Illinois, October 2001 to August 2004, January 2005 to December 2005. Instructional Media Aide.
British International School, Bratislava. Bratislava, Slovakia, September 2004 to December 2004. Internship in Instructional Technology.
WKDI. DeKalb, Illinois, December 1999 to December 2000. Assistant general manager.
WKDI. DeKalb, Illinois, August 1999 to December 1999. Disc jockey.

Events

WikWomenCamp. May 2012. Buenos Aires, Argentina. Organiser. Three day women in Wikimedia leadership conference.
Recent Changes Camp Canberra. January 2012, Canberra, Australia. Organizer and facilitator. Three day Unconference about wikis.
GLAM Camp Amsterdam. December 2011. Participant. Co-session leader for women and disability panel. Three day conference about using Wikimedia Foundation projects in the cultural sector.
Recent Changes Camp Canberra. January 2011. Canberra, Australia. Organizer. Three day Unconference about wikis.
Recent Changes Camp Canberra. August 2010. Canberra, Australia. Organiser. One day Unconference about wikis.
Recent Changes Camp 2010. June 2010. Montreal, Canada. Organiser. Three day Unconference about wikis.
Recent Changes Camp 2009. February 2009. Portland, Oregon. Organiser. Three day Unconference about wikis.
BarCamp Chicago. August 2008. University of Illinois at Chicago. Presenter for information about wikis. Attended panels on SEO and open source software.
SocialDevCamp Chicago. August 2008. Illinois Institute of Technology. Volunteer. Presenter for information about wikis. Attended panels on SEO.
Recent Changes Camp 2008. May 2008. Palo Alto. Volunteer. Three day Unconference about wikis.
likemind. Monthly June 2008 to March 2010. July 2011. Chicago. Web consulting, SEO and marketing gathering.

Conferences Presented

Australian Cycling Tourism Conference. February 2012. Canberra, Australian Capital Territory. 10 minute presentation on web analytics and Australian cycling on social media. References to work with Australian Paralympic Committee.

Conferences Attended

Digital Sport Summit 2010. July 2010. Melbourne, Victoria. One day conference about sport and social media.
Speaker
Otago Polytechnic. April 2011. Dunedin, New Zealand. Guest speaker about social media and sport in a speech organized by Otago Institute of Sport and Adventure.

Workshops

Using Wikis. University of Canberra. January 2012. Assisted in providing information to attendees to on using Wikiversity, GLAM project
Wikimedia Workshop. National Sport Information Centre. November 2011. Provided training at a small workshop where participants were shown how to upload media to Commons and how to edit Wikipedia.
Australia Paralympic Committee Wiki Workshop. State Library of Western Australia. September 2011. Provided training materials and training assistance for workshop on using Wikipedia.
Sport and Social Media. Auckland University of Technology. April 2011. Organised and ran a small workshop on using sports and wikis.
Sport and Wikis. University of Canberra. March 2011. Organised and ran a small workshop on using sports and wikis.
Sport and Social Media. University of Canberra. March 2011. Organised and ran a small workshop on using sports and social media.

Papers

Case Study: Fan History’s Proposal For Being Acquired by the WMF. White paper. December 2009.
MLB Game Attendance and Alternative Social Network Group Engagement. White paper. October 2009.
Fan Fiction’s Predictive Value for Nielsen Ratings. White paper. September 2009.

Social Media Data Packets

Australian and New Zealand women’s sport. November 2010.
Canberra United. June 2010.
Collingwood Magpies. November 2010.
Cycling in Australia. February 2012.
Greater Western Sydney Giants. July 2010.
Melbourne Heart. January 2012.
National Rugby League. December 2010.
Saint Kilda Saints. February 2011.

Web Projects

FanDomination.Net. Site creator, spokesperson and instructional designer. April 2002 to April 2006.
FanWorks.Org. Information facilitator, content provider, policy advisor. June 2004 to January 2006.
WritersU.Net and Writers University. Site owner, creator and maintainer. June 2000 to May 2005.
FanFiction.Net. Writers University maintainer, policy advisor, spokesperson, forum manager, Terms of Service creator and maintainer. June 2000 to December 2001.

Certificates and Professional Qualifications

IELTS general test.
i-to-i Online TEFL 40 hour certificate.
Praxis Tests and scores. Praxis I: Reading (185), writing (179), and mathematics (183). Praxis II: Elementary Education: Content knowledge (185), Library Media Specialist (680), and Principles Learning and Teaching 5 – 9 (166).

Education Professional Development

Workshops from CNMI Public Schools. 2006. Legal issues in schools, Sexual harassment in schools, Using Microsoft Movie Maker.
VCU VISSTA: Child abuse and neglect. 2005. Recognition, reporting and responding for educators.
Workshops attended for Community Unit School District 300. 2004. Illinois Computing Educators conference.

There's some funny and terrifying things in here.
One thing to note is that she can't seem to keep a job longer than a few months.

Earthy Astringent · Unread post by **Earthy Astringent** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:14 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:Speaking of fluidity and empowering women, what ever happened to the WMF's Flow system?
It has become self aware and is driving the Fram ARBCOM debacle from behind a grubby digital curtain.

Are you fucking kidding me? Did someone seriously propose a project to empower women (as if) and called it Flow? Please let it be true, please let it be true.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:27 pm

It keeps going and going and going ...
More garbage

Kill me now...
More garbage

This goes on for untold pages.
This is the basis and the planning stages for Laura Hale to start shitting up en.wp because she's getting paid to do it.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:28 pm

Another interesting link

Archived identi.ca/purplepopple

Following

Followers

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:37 pm

Some support for Laura's grifting.

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Th ... lia/Tender

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:30 pm

Vigilant wrote:she can't seem to keep a job longer than a few months.

That's a bit unfair. She was an adult member of the A.V.-club (T-H-L) for a few years.

Community Unit School District 300. Carpentersville, Illinois, October 2001 to August 2004, January 2005 to December 2005. Instructional Media Aide.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:41 pm

Earthy Astringent wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:Speaking of fluidity and empowering women, what ever happened to the WMF's Flow system?
It has become self aware and is driving the Fram ARBCOM debacle from behind a grubby digital curtain.
Are you fucking kidding me? Did someone seriously propose a project to empower women (as if) and called it Flow? Please let it be true, please let it be true.

KW is a scholar and a comedian.

RfB

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:07 pm

Laura seems to have missed the middle-school discussions of hyphens and the Oxford comma.

Vigilant wrote:A little bit of digging has yielded some nuggets.
Resume
Wikis
Created training materials to assist people in learning how to use English Wikipedia, Commons and organise cultural institution projects on various Wikimedia Foundation projects.

Created a Wikip_oject for women’s sport on English Wikipedia and helped created the organisational framework for the History of the Paralympic Movement in Australia project on English Wikipedia.

Improved and expanded upon over 50 English Wikipedia articles that resulted in their appear on the front page of Wikipedia.
Social Media / Community Outreach
Promoted Australian Wikimedia related events using Wikimedia project resources like geonotices. Promoted these projects on related mailing lists, on personal Facebook and Twitter accounts, and on IRC channels.
Contacted members of the fan community on blogs, LiveJournal, Quizilla, FanFiction.Net, Xanga, orkut, bebo, MySpace, FaceBook, Yahoo!Groups to ask them how we can better help serve the fan community and to solicit their help in improving content on Fan History in order to work on Fan History’s mission of documenting the history of fandom.

Search Engine Optimization

Implemented link building plan for Fan History Wiki increased traffic from 600 search engine related visits a day to 1,700 to the site in the period between June 2008 and February 2009. Focus was on using social bookmarking sites and entertainment related sites such as AnimeNewsNetwork, IMDB, FanPop, LiveJournal, InsaneJournal, Chickipedia, Wikia, Quizilla, etc.
Targeted for specific keywords on Fan History when fandom news broke which resulted in increase in traffic to those pages. Examples of fandom news optimised for included the Open Source Boob Project (T-H-L), Twilight movie release, Barack Obama fan fiction, FaerieCon, and Jorja Fox pregnancy rumors.

Teaching / Curriculum Design, Library and Technology Support

Taught high school English for grades 9, 11 and 12 based on the CNMI’s learning standards.
Created curriculum support materials for using Wikimedia projects in the high school and college curriculum.
Created own curriculum for use in a high school English classroom based around learning standards created by the CNMI.
Participated in accreditation process for Tinian Jr. Sr. High School.
Integrated a constructivist approach into the classroom by relating English language writing lessons to situations that exists outside the classroom.

The Open Source Boob project continues the BOMIS (T-H-L) spirit of Jimmy Wales (T-H-L).

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:40 pm

With just the errors on her resume to mind, it becomes abundantly clear what poor Fram was fighting against.

eagle · Unread post by **eagle** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:42 pm

One of the Paralympic BLPs created by Laura Hale is Amanda Reid (T-H-L). Here is a discussion from the article talk page:

Are Amanda Fowler and Amanda Reid the same person?
I have yet to find any clear evidence to prove that swimmer Amanda Fowler is now the cyclist Amanda Reid. Anyone? DGtal (talk) 08:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
-- The selection event for Paracycling Track World Championships was Cycling Australian Paracycling Track National Championships in Adelaide. A cyclist named Amanda Fowler, from NSW, raced that event in the C2 class: http://www.cycling.org.au/Events/Track- ... n-adelaide. Two weeks later, Amanda Reid was announced as a member of the Australian team for Worlds: http://www.cycling.org.au/News/All-News ... mpionships. (I know Amanda Fowler/Reid by sight, so can confirm from photos of the event that it is the right Amanda Fowler). There are social media posts from places like Cycling NSW that explicitly make the connection: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 0322816033 Sportygeek (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
That's good enough for me. Just one un-PC question/comment: She is currently categorised in Category:Indigenous Australian Paralympians but to my unexperienced eye according to the pic here (and here) she looks more like a white person. DGtal (talk) 07:35, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
this source says Amanda Reid made her debut at the 2016 games. Cycing Australia calls here a debutant here.
{http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2015 ... ecognition here] are pictures of amanda fowler in 2015; no mention of her competing in the 2016 olympics.
This is unclear to me. The person who created this article is User:LauraHale who is a sports journalist covering paralymic and disability sports news per their Userpage and this, so can maybe help bring sources that will resolve this. Pinged her here and also sent her an email. Jytdog (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Both those sources are talking about her debut in cycling. I trust the judgement of Sportygeek, but the best proof I've found independently is this Google Cache snippet from the Australian Paralympic Committee website which mentions Amanda Reid (Fowler) ... her name appears to have been deleted from the current copy of that page. Graham87 00:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
we don't trust people but rather sources and they brought facebook which is really weak. That you link you offered just now includes a link to a bio page that is now dead but it was saved at the internet archive; it says they are the same person. That pretty much nails it to me. Jytdog (talk) 01:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
I've added that ref to the article. Jytdog (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

The only reference to LauraHale or Paralympics in the WP:COIN archive regards this article:link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... manda_Reid[/link]
The usual Laura Hale defenders take an active role: John Vandenberg, Hawkeye7, and Graham87.
After first blocking the complainant as a vandal, the final result was:

I've admin deleted content on the user talk page which is relevant, but cant do or say much more at the moment, except to say that I know who the editor is, that the underlying problem is legitimate, and I am talking with people closer to the subject to better understand the underlying problem myself so I can determine whether it calls for WP:RFO or not. John Vandenberg

Apparently, LauraHale had created the article as Amanda Fowler but the athlete changed her name. At one point the article claimed that Fowler "was the first aboriginal swimmer to represent australia at the paralympics ." However a member of the APC staff removed the claims because she was the third. link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =682830353[/link]

In terms of the mess/cost ratio, the $110,000 was not worth it.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:24 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:
Earthy Astringent wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:Speaking of fluidity and empowering women, what ever happened to the WMF's Flow system?
It has become self aware and is driving the Fram ARBCOM debacle from behind a grubby digital curtain.
Are you fucking kidding me? Did someone seriously propose a project to empower women (as if) and called it Flow? Please let it be true, please let it be true.
KW is a scholar and a comedian.
RfB

When it comes to this question about Wikpedia and sex, Mighty Morphin Army Ranger (T-C-L) (MMAR (T-C-L)) may have drawn the first blood.

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2676&p=149126&hili ... en#p149126

MMAR wrote:
Konveyor Belt wrote:
MMAR wrote:Do I even need to ask if the name 'Flow' was coined/approved by a man or a woman?
Does it really matter?
That depends on whether or not you think having a major software feature on Wikipedia having a name which women are just as likely to associate with their monthly visits from Mother Nature as with the notion of smooth communication. Although perhaps that's intentional? I can see how a bout of period cramps might seem comparable to communicating with an asshole like Cassianto (T-C-L) for any length of time.

On the contrary, Beavis and Buthead are not women.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:36 pm

The discussion of Flow reminded me of this discussion by Jim and Randy, which may be one of the first times the WMF's plans were analyzed. LauraHalegate/Framgate clarifies that Jim was right.

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2676&p=110401&hili ... on#p110401

Randy from Boise wrote:
Jim wrote:
Randy from Boise wrote:
Jim wrote: It's almost like they just wanted to get rid of folks like you and I, Tim, and start again with a clean slate.

But that would be... unthinkable... surely?
Ha, ha, of course they would love to be able to pick and choose the cast of their "Encyclopedia Anyone Can Edit"™ to eliminate the noisy 5% who are pissing on their parade. Their problem is that the noisy 5% are only stating things which most of the 85% that aren't Wikimania Friendly Space Churchcampers™ also believe — as we witnessed in the recent German RFC on Erik Möller's Superprotection scheme...

The 15% who are actually Churchcampers (many of them with paystubs to prove it) seem to think that with selective purges and magical new software tools an influx of 100,000 diverse, friendly citizen-scholars can be assimilated and indoctrinated into the WikiWay and that a blissful Friendly, Forgiving, Cooperative, Loving WikiWorld will result.

Of course this is bollocks...

RfB

Don't underestimate their ability to believe that the aim is achievable and desirable, and that what they are doing is a means to it.
After all, we just spent several threads expounding on their lack of strategic awareness.

Just saying..

I'm not at all being facetious about what the Churchcampers believe, only sarcastic in my tone...

They honestly believe that whacking Eric Corbett (T-C-L) and a few dozen people that squirm too much is not only a desirable outcome but absolutely essential in creating a climate that will allow their wonderful new Friendly tools like Visual Editor and Flow to have their desired effect — turning around the decline in volunteer participation at all levels of WP (and incidentally demonstrating the efficacy of additional donations to the WMF).

There is a huge chasm between theory and practice, however. The only real mechanism they have for making this happen would be for Jimmy Wales to run around lopping off heads and citing the Divine Right of Kings as a rationale.

Of course, one of the religious articles of faith of The Holy San Franciscan Church is that Anyone Can Edit™, including IPs and accounts created five minutes ago, so few would actually be silenced and a massive shitstorm would ensue...

RfB

As was foretold by the wise men of old,
So has it come to pass.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:44 pm

Flow was supposed to improve retention rates of new users. (Don't forget the Teahouse, another feminist icon.)

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2676&p=110578&hili ... on#p110578

Tim Davenport wrote: See the WMF's 2014-15 annual plan:
https://archive.org/details/WikimediaFo ... AnnualPlan

Page 20 (DIRECT QUOTE FOLLOWS):

WikimediaFoundation2014-15AnnualPlan wrote:FLOW

Current state (June 2014):
Flow is an experimental but already feature rich alternative to talk pages which can be enabled by WMF on a per-page basis and is currently used in production on a small number of 'real world' pages, including a couple of WikiProjects and feedback pages for new features.

Key Milestones
We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter, carefully picking use cases. Example use cases may include: additional WikiProjects, shared conversation spaces like Teahouse and Village Pump, entire wikis willing to switch to Flow, etc. Success will be reflected in adoption/participation metrics, targeting improved participation dynamics relative to talk pages.

By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015 --t.d.], we expect to cover one major use case thoroughly (e.g. all user talk pages, all Village Pump type pages, etc.)

By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015. --t.d.], the team will be a multi-device team, ready to maintain and develop the user experience for phones, tablets, and desktops.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:01 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:Flow was supposed to improve retention rates of new users. (Don't forget the Teahouse, another feminist icon.)

Had Flow been implemented properly and quickly, it might have had a significant positive effect. However, as ever, the WMF developers just couldn't get it right. The project has become another Visual Editor foul-up.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:12 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:Flow was supposed to improve retention rates of new users. (Don't forget the Teahouse, another feminist icon.)
Had Flow been implemented properly and quickly, it might have had a significant positive effect. However, as ever, the WMF developers just couldn't get it right. The project has become another Visual Editor foul-up.

No.

It was unclear from the beginning what it hoped to accomplish.
There were never any sane requirements set out and no functional specs derived.
Worse, Flow was a pet project of the Mo:leMan who had never done any professional software architecture in his life.
I have yet to see a single competent software person who was ever attached to this DOA 'product'.
That it was buggy and not fit for purpose is just a natural follow on from the first four points.

It was also a solution looking for a problem. Nobody wanted it, even if it worked as advertised.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:43 pm

As a board-member since 2013, presumably María Sefidari has been approving the WMF's wasted investments in FLOW, which have enraged the Wikipedia editors.

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:05 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:Flow was supposed to improve retention rates of new users. (Don't forget the Teahouse, another feminist icon.)
Had Flow been implemented properly and quickly, it might have had a significant positive effect. However, as ever, the WMF developers just couldn't get it right. The project has become another Visual Editor foul-up.

I do have a tiny bit of sympathy with the WMF developers, in that they're grappling with the Byzantine architecture of the wikimedia software that ought never to have been allowed to grow into the monster it's become. But having said that, there's clearly no excuse for their repeated incompetence in deciding what new features to waste more and more money on.

The problem is, when you employ 200 or so developers you have to keep them all, well, employed, even if what they're doing is of no value whatsoever. At least then they're busy and justifying their salaries. But of course that goes for pretty much the whole of the WMF.

There is no way on God's planet that the WMF should be employing anything like the number of developers they do. The argument I commonly see "Wikipedia is a top five web site, other top web sites employ far more developers" is just an unfunny joke.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:51 pm

Eric Corbett wrote:The problem is, when you employ 200 or so developers you have to keep them all, well, employed, even if what they're doing is of no value whatsoever. At least then they're busy and justifying their salaries. But of course that goes for pretty much the whole of the WMF.

There is no way on God's planet that the WMF should be employing anything like the number of developers they do. The argument I commonly see "Wikipedia is a top five web site, other top web sites employ far more developers" is just an unfunny joke.

Maybe as a public service we should start a thread "possible useful improvements to Wikimedia software". Who knows? Maybe some of them might eventually get implemented if they're straightforward enough.

AndyTheGrump · Unread post by **AndyTheGrump** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:18 pm

To inject a little Grumpish cynicism here, I have to suggest that improving 'Wikimedia software' might even make things worse for 'Wikipedia the encyclopaedia'. The piss-poor interface probably deters the incompetent more than the half-competent, and acts as something of a filter. Make editing easier, and you make vandalism and the all other crud that detracts from the project easier to add too.

Of course, if you are the WMF, and more interested in the 'anyone can edit' slogans and resulting cashflow than the 'encyclopaedia' bit, such considerations don't matter.

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:45 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Eric Corbett wrote:The problem is, when you employ 200 or so developers you have to keep them all, well, employed, even if what they're doing is of no value whatsoever. At least then they're busy and justifying their salaries. But of course that goes for pretty much the whole of the WMF.

There is no way on God's planet that the WMF should be employing anything like the number of developers they do. The argument I commonly see "Wikipedia is a top five web site, other top web sites employ far more developers" is just an unfunny joke.
Maybe as a public service we should start a thread "possible useful improvements to Wikimedia software". Who knows? Maybe some of them might eventually get implemented if they're straightforward enough.

It's an interesting idea, but the problems are way too deeply embedded to be easily fixed now I think. Just take a look at the chaotic Wikipedia citation system for instance. If the WMF were serious about their goals there would be an easy to use system that made it easy to produce consistent citations, instead of a system that miillionates citations to the same source, each in its own idiosyncratic and often incorrect way.

eagle · Unread post by **eagle** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:02 pm

Perhaps parts of this thread belongs in the 2030 Working Groups Thread, but it all coming to a head at the Sept 15 Harmonization Sprint in Tunis. Two of the major combatants in Tunis (for whom I am actually rooting) are Maria and Katherine who will "help" representatives from the Working Groups (who have been pumped up by listening sessions in the Global South) and try to come up with something workable to present to the WMF Board.

Products and Technology Working Group wrote:Make governance of the software used in Wikimedia projects more inclusive, participatory and predictable by setting up a “Deployment Council” for setting the requirements for deploying new functionality to the wikis, in the form of a co-decision-making process between the organization building the feature and the editor community.

This sounds like Mr. Vigilant or Mr. Fram, but will it make the next round of recommendations to be taken to the WMF Board in November?

On the other hand, the post-modern philosophers and radical feminists will argue that WP is peddling the knowledge of old white men (like Immanuel Kant or Plato or Socrates) when it should be filling the knowledge gaps with the wisdom of (Dr. Joyce Brothers, Oprah Winfrey, or Laura Hale). To shake things up, the Diversity Working Group not only would impose a universal code of conduct regarding civility, but would also put a gender quota on everything funded by the WMF. The day will come when FA will judge how well sourced is an article by whether the references are to female researchers and if the feminist perspective is included in every article.

Mr. Vigilant has predicted a storm, and it will be quite a battle. Of course, the battle will be waged off-wiki, and (to the best of my knowledge) none of WO's editors (and very few people from the Global North) have been invited to the table. So, this is not a fight over Flow or even Fram; it is really a fight to "grab the power" and take it away from the old white men and their Global North friends. Are we here to build a reliable on-line encyclopedia or rather is the WMF going to be the "leader" of the "free knowledge movement" filling in all "knowledge gaps" on the way to true "knowledge equity" by 2030?

There is nothing that Mr. Wales or Doc James can say in opposition, because any argument they would make would be an impermissible defense of white male privilege. Similarly, everyone on the SanFranBan list literally can not say anything because they have been pushed off the battlegroud and are considered worse than child molesters. Finally, these people will win every debate because they constantly redefine the terminology. Equity no longer means fair to both men and women. Civility means men should be extra nice to women but not the other way around. If a sport is played only by women (and therefore not eligible to be added to the Olympic program), it is redefined to be an "Olympic Sport". Editing for pay is not "paid editing" because the editor has been self-classified as a "Wikipedian in Residence."

Does anyone see a path forward if the harmonization sprint runs into a brick wall or at least a puddle of stupidity?

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:28 pm

Not really, the die is cast.

Wikipedia/WMF has set itself on a path of self-destruction, and when it finally comes to its senses it will be too late.

Jbhunley · Unread post by **Jbhunley** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:47 pm

No. The issues in the "harmonization" are just a reflection of the fall of Enlightenment values and thinking that has been accelerating for the last few years. The general rejection of expertise and knowledge to be replaced by "experience" (in the sense of the senses/personal not accumulated knowledge). This regression to the "experiential" is what gives us identitarian politics as exemplified by intersectionalism and nationalism; anti-science such as anti-vaxers, flat-earthers and climate-change deniers; and a multitude of other evils great and small -- the corruption of the never realized ideal of Wikipedia is one of the smaller of the small of these.

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eagle · Unread post by **eagle** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:14 pm

A quick addition to the message above about the Amanda Reid article that had been created by Laura Hale. The controversy about the renaming of the article and keeping most of its contents drew impassioned comments from a friend:

Hello, Wikipedia is not in the business of deleting bits of people's life histories. Graham87 14:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
So you will put her in danger will you because that's what your doing right now I hope you know She never won't her shit on the a Wikipedia page and it's not all right in the first places
The mean part I'm trying to say is she could get killed over this I put you know She is so upset right now because of what you have done do you feel big right about now that you have made someone scared for there life

If we can you leave like I have it would be great thanks
If it really causes that manyp problems, she shouldn't be in such a high-profile role in the first place IMO. Graham87 14:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC
So your saying she can't do sport im saying pls just put it back because she will get killed anf it will be on your shoulder
If you could take her page down that would be better pls
Do something do let her get killed
Put yourself in her shoes think about what best for her
I'm not asking for much just to keep her alive that it

So, I guess it would take an editor who later exercises the Right to Vanish to create an article that end up outing a Paralympic athlete who felt the urgent need to change her name for her own protection.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:22 pm

Jbhunley wrote:No. The issues in the "harmonization" are just a reflection of the fall of Enlightenment values and thinking that has been accelerating for the last few years. The general rejection of expertise and knowledge to be replaced by "experience" (in the sense of the senses/personal not accumulated knowledge). This regression to the "experiential" is what gives us identitarian politics as exemplified by intersectionalism and nationalism; anti-science such as anti-vaxers, flat-earthers and climate-change deniers; and a multitude of other evils great and small -- the corruption of the never realized ideal of Wikipedia is one of the smaller of the small of these.

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I wish Wikipediocracy had barnstars...

RfB

Jbhunley · Unread post by **Jbhunley** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:03 am

@RfB -- Thank you!

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Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:15 am

I nominate JBHunley for the Wikipedia Review Memorial Straight Shooter award.

Jbhunley · Unread post by **Jbhunley** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:25 am

Vigilant wrote:I nominate JBHunley for the Wikipedia Review Memorial Straight Shooter award.

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eagle · Unread post by **eagle** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:27 pm

It is no longer clear to me whether Arbcom is proposing to desysop Fram for "incivility" or for "harassment" and is lacking diffs for either.

Incivility could be directed toward nobody in particular, and the one post-warning conduct -- "fuck arbcom" -- is more of a battle cry or campaign slogan than an insult directed at a specific individual, sort of the WP verison of "drain the swamp!" or from the 1970's "Fuck the draft!"
Arbcom has not produced diffs that follow the T&S warning showing incivility.

Harassment inherently is targetted, and the only alleged target was Laura Hale. Hale has a long history of making questionable harassment claims:
for example in March 2011

I am confused by your comment. Are you now saying the the WMF is your "employer?" They just denied it.--Racepacket 01:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
No, I am saying that it appears you believed that I was a WMF fellow and you tried to get WMF, the organisation you believed I worked for, to take action against me. That constitutes harassment. --LauraHale 09:44, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Fram tried to get Laura Hale to correct her DYK practices. Fram started a discussion of pulling one of Hale's DYK nominations from the queue, and Graham87 (her former WMAU ally) suggest topic banning her from DYK. In November 2012, Fram raised the ban proposal on Talk:WP:DYK, but only a part of the discussion was moved to ANI:

Fram wrote:Can we please have a moratorium or ban on Laura Hale DYKs? Both the hooks and the articles in general are much too often of very dubious quality and contain many incorrectly interpreted sources, and thus shouldn't be shown on the main page. It is nice to encourage a newbie with a DYK, but we should expect a lot more from experienced editors.

It was quickly opposed by an aggressive Hawkeye7:

Oppose LauraHale is a diligent editor who produces a lot of good work. Think you should put your own house in order first.

North8000 wrote:A repeat of the usual Wikipedia situation. A semi-prominent person who could benefit from a bit of a course correction never gets it because they know the ropes, have a posse etc. and because Wikipedia lacks a mechanism for providing weighty advice. Then, much later, it gets bigger and they crash and burn.

I think that Fram was very polite, but this was the claimed basis for "harassment."

A number of other editors had to engage with Laura Hale on her sloppy editing. For example, the above mentioned Graham87 So, Fram was not the only editor to have multiple contacts with Laura Hale over time regarding her mistakes.

In January 2014, Fram proposed barring Laura Hale from editing from Spanish sources on WP:AN. Fram was polite, but A fluffernutter is a sandwich! argued that there should be more discussion with her. He does say "I have no interest in playing games to hide the incompetence (or whatever reason applies) of some editor;" but that was a directed toward other proposals for taking up more of his time. The discussion devolves into a conversation as to whether the WMF has any responsibility for the competence of Wikipedian-in-Residence, regardless of whether they are paid by someone other than the WMF. Ultimately, Laura Hale agrees to a six month period where her use of Spanish materials is reviewed by a native speaker, and Raystorm volunteers (without identifying the LauraHale-Raystorm relationship.)

A reader gets the feeling that the dynamic was Fram identifying the problem and WP:AN asking for more diffs. Fram produced more diffs, and AN kept on asking for more diff, and so on. So, we must question whether Fram set out to hound Laura Hale or just tried to satisfy the call for "more examples of problems". Again, if the AN and ANI discussions were entirely on-wiki and above-board, rather than the marching in of her allies, she would not have become one of the "unblockables" whose poor editing escaped quality controls.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:58 pm

eagle wrote:It is no longer clear to me whether Arbcom is proposing to desysop Fram for "incivility" or for "harassment" and is lacking diffs for either.

It's for general dickishness, as illustrated in a laundry list of secretly submitted diffs that they can't reveal because of their secret process.

RfB

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:01 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:
eagle wrote:It is no longer clear to me whether Arbcom is proposing to desysop Fram for "incivility" or for "harassment" and is lacking diffs for either.
It's for general dickishness, as illustrated in a laundry list of secretly submitted diffs that they can't reveal because of their secret process.

RfB

They've already vacated the ban.
They can't show anything worthy of a desysop with actual evidence, you know, the kind everyone can see.

No matter what they do now, they've materially damaged themselves and the body of ARBCOM.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:11 pm

This is a very special case. What they are trying to do is rein in the new T&S alternative discipline channel and that involves walking a tightrope. They know the case against Fram is trumped up, have said as much, and have vacated the main sanction — the one year ban — although taking a ludicrous amount of time to do so.

They also have an institutional need to show some disciplinary mettle, so that T&S can't just go straight into "There They Go Again!" mode. Pulling tools is 100% within the purview of Arbcom; and Fram, being basically a dick, has provided plenty of evidence of dickishness — sufficient to justify a line that he has exceeded norms for aggression, persistence, and tone and effectively behaved in a way not worthy of an administrator and thereby "lost the confidence of the community." The fact that Fram probably will not have a quick path back to tools provides some evidence that they are not far wrong in this.

I don't see Arbcom as having been lessened in any way here. Certainly they didn't show as much courage as they should have — when they bought into the "secret, redacted evidence" model at the very first, they corrupted their process and surrendered much of the legitimacy of their result. But this is a delicate political line they are walking and they haven't been terrible at doing that.

The next Arbcom election will completely reshuffle the deck. The institution has actually been preserved, in so far as the T&S alternative channel over day-to-day discipline has been stymied.

RfB

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:18 pm

The comments here are turning against ARBCOM and Trust and Safety.

JBHunley and Silk Tork may have midwifed the 'shot heard round the wiki'.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:22 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:
eagle wrote:It is no longer clear to me whether Arbcom is proposing to desysop Fram for "incivility" or for "harassment" and is lacking diffs for either.
It's for general dickishness, as illustrated in a laundry list of secretly submitted diffs that they can't reveal because of their secret process.

RfB

This is one of those cases where they've decided on what they want to do and are now frantically flailing around, seeking to find a way to justify their decision. As Lewis Carroll said, "Sentence first - verdict afterwards."

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:27 pm

Wikidata is another place Laura Hale shit the bed.

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?ti ... fdfmykrdyr

She tagged hundreds of women's BLPs with sexual orientation data that was added in a massive spree over little time.
Starting April 21st and going to April 24th

There's no chance these were carefully vetted the way WP:BLP requires.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:42 pm

Does WP:BLP apply on Wikidata? The whole concept of Wikidata is a disaster waiting to happen, and probably has happened in some cases.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:55 pm

This is a pretty definitive domicile date change.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.p ... d=75128753

Edit made July 12th, 2013

Laura Hale's first trip to Spain was from around January 9th to around March 4th, 2013.

The change of domicile occurred during her second trip to Spain which started around June 24th, 2013 and ended on August 27th, 2013.
Laura Hale then spent a two weeks back in Australia, presumably closing up shop, and was back in Spain by Sept 16th, 2013 for good.

When you look at es.wikipedia.org, Laura Hale was already operating there before she went to Madrid.
https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... fdfmykrdyr

She's all over the paralympics articles there.

Here's Laura Hale editing Maria Sefidari Huici's talk page the day before she changed her living location.
https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... d=68284253

Spanish Paralympic athlete translation requests
Hi The 2013 IPC Athletics World Championships are coming up next month in France. There are a number of competitors from Spain. I was wondering if you could provide Spanish translation assistance or point me to some one who can help translate (or update) articles about these athletes. Also maybe update any existing articles in Spanish? Articles that need help / creation / updating include: in: Abderrahman Ait Khamouch , in: David Casinos ( David Casinos ), in: José António Exposito , in: Eva Ngui ( Eva Ngui ), in: José Pámpano , in: Manuel Garnica Roldan , in: Xavier Porras ,in: Alberto Suárez Laso ( Alberto Suarez Laso ), in: Gustavo Nieves Campello , in: José Martínez Morote , in: Dionibel Rodríguez Rodríguez , in: Maximiliano Óscar Rodríguez Magi , in: Elena Congost Mohedano , in: Roger Puigbò i Verdaguer ( Roger Puigbò i Verdaguer ). - LauraHale ( discussion ) 13:03 Jul 11, 2013 (UTC)

Here's Maria Sefidari Huici responding as if they aren't together.
https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... d=68305547

Will do my best. Cheers, Raystorm is here 10:24 12 jul 2013 (UTC)

Quite the charade.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:32 pm

Laura Hale setup para-sports.es to be a WikiBase/WikiData style database which she could use to monetize her Paralympics work.

She paid for private registration, but the .es registrars seem to be somewhat broken.

Los datos de contacto de este dominio están ocultos. Si desea comunicarse con el Titular y el PCA pulse aquí
DATOS DEL TITULAR
Nombre del Dominio para-sports.es
Estado Activado
Identificador E7FE97-ESNIC-F5
Titular Fan History LLC
Fecha de Alta 08-12-2016
Fecha de Caducidad 08-12-2019
Agente Registrador KEY-SYSTEMS
PERSONA DE CONTACTO ADMINISTRATIVO
wedge
Identificador E7FE99-ESNIC-F5
Nombre Laura Hale

PERSONA DE CONTACTO TECNICO
wedge
Identificador E7FE9A-ESNIC-F5
Nombre Laura Hale

SERVIDORES DNS
Nombre Servidor IP
ns1.digitalocean.com
ns2.digitalocean.com
ns3.digitalocean.com

The site is defunct, but the page lives on in archive.org

On para-sport.es, Laura Hale claims she was

a two time Wikipedian in Residence for two different National Paralympic Committees, a sport journalist who has covered three different paralympic Games...

HOPAU we knew.
What's the other one?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:42 pm

Here's Laura Hale reconstituting the GibraltarPedia debacle for Australian Paralympic articles.
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/w/index. ... fdfmykrdyr

Some usual names
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/His ... eaderboard

Some more usual names
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/His ... _the_Games

List of suspects to question about their involvement with Laura Hale's grifting.
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/His ... rticipants

Current participants
The following is a list of participants for round two:

Irenah - Activity
99of9 - Activity
Melissa Carlton- Activity
The following is a list of additional participants in round one:

Bidgee - Activity
Elliot.Cameron-UniversityOfWollongong - Activity
Steven Zhang - Activity
Gnangarra - Activity
HainesUOW - Activity
Leigh Blackall - Activity - Not competing, just watching
DawnRenshaw - Activity

Look at that, a direct overlap with the people called out by HOPAU for pimping their stuff after a grant got made.

A handy category with links and everything
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cat ... _the_Games

Their 'mailing list' aka google group is still active.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/hopau

Oh, look! Off wiki canvassing by none other than Laura Hale!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/h ... CdWXn8CAAJ

Laura Hale

Apr 23

The Winter Paralympics portal has been nominated for deletion. This may be of interest to some people in this project. The discussion is taking place at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... aralympics .

Sincerely,
Laura Hale

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Did it work? Did people on this list show up and vote?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... aralympics

Sure they did.

Keep While the portal is old, it meets the portal guidelines. No problem with having a separate portal for the Winter Paralympics. There is one Australian athlete who has competed in both, but the overlap between the two is small, and Paralympics is usually considered to be the summer games. When the portal deletion push is over, the portal will be updated in time for the next games in Beijing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

So did some unwanted people

Delete for the above reasons, and because when a deletion spree went wrong on May the 4th, it caused this portal to look like the above sea of red, and no one at all noticed or care about it for the past four days. If anyone needed evidence that it is unmaintained and not really missed when it is gone... Fram (talk) 09:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Katie · Unread post by **Katie** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:54 pm

This confirms that she also worked for the Spanish Paralympic Committee (T-H-L): link https://muckrack.com/laura-hale/bio[/link]. It's not a coincidence, I'm betting, that she created the article about the Committee in February 2013, when she was in Spain. And it's also not a coincidence that all of a sudden in January 2013 she decided to create articles about Spanish Paralympians. In this post: link https://wikinewsreporter.wordpress.com/ ... in-review/[/link], she says: "My production was up a bit in July. I formally began my involvement with the Spanish Paralympic Committee. This is reflected in popular articles this month." And indeed, five articles she made, according to herself, that were popular on WikiNews that month were about Spanish Paralympians.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:10 pm

Katie wrote:This confirms that she also worked for the Spanish Paralympic Committee (T-H-L): link https://muckrack.com/laura-hale/bio[/link]. It's not a coincidence, I'm betting, that she created the article about the Committee in February 2013, when she was in Spain. And it's also not a coincidence that all of a sudden in January 2013 she decided to create articles about Spanish Paralympians. In this post: link https://wikinewsreporter.wordpress.com/ ... in-review/[/link], she says: "My production was up a bit in July. I formally began my involvement with the Spanish Paralympic Committee. This is reflected in popular articles this month." And indeed, five articles she made, according to herself, that were popular on WikiNews that month were about Spanish Paralympians.

Who would have made that introduction?
I wonder if there's another damning contract with Laura Hale's name on it?
Actually, I don't wonder at this point.

Edit:
Aha!
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLA ... ain_report

SPAIN REPORT

Pictures of and interviews with swimmers

By LauraHale

Report on the IPC Swimming World Championships.

In August, Wikipedian in Resident for the Spanish Paralympic Committee (CPE) LauraHale interviewed several members of the national swimming team in advance of their competing in the 2013 IPC Swimming World Championships. Pictures were taken of several swimmers, a number of articles were improved on Wikipedia and interviews were published on Wikinews. The report on this work was given to the CPE in October. Plans are to continue similar work in November.

Well, that was quick.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:19 pm

Laura Hale planning on creating even more Gremlins...
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... SYGht5BAAJ

Hi,

If anyone is into sports data or Paralympic data sets, I really could use some assistance with a project I am working on. I'm hoping to be able to use some of the data I have to work on potentially auto-creating articles about the Winter Paralympics in Farsi Wikipedia and maybe some articles in English Wikipedia for the Women in Red project.

I just need some assistance with the data. If anyone is into that sort of thing, can you shoot me an off list message?

Sincerely,
Laura Hale

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Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:31 pm

Laura Hale sends out another 'alert' aka off wiki canvassing effort.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... f8TJtgFAAJ

Laura Hale
10/11/16 --> Tue, 11 Oct 2016 02:05:38 -0700
Hi,

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#RfC: Paralympics around inherent notability of Paralympic sportspeople o English Wikipedia. People on this list may be interested in it. If you have any thoughts, please consider participating.

Sincerely,
Laura Hale

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Like clockwork...

07:36, 11 October 2016‎ Hawkeye7 talk contribs‎ 57,650 bytes +3‎ →‎RfC: Olympics undo
07:36, 11 October 2016‎ Hawkeye7 talk contribs‎ 57,647 bytes +9‎ →‎RfC: undo
07:35, 11 October 2016‎ Hawkeye7 talk contribs‎ 57,638 bytes +386‎ →‎RfC:: new section undo
06:48, 11 October 2016‎ Fram talk contribs‎ 57,252 bytes +618‎ →‎Olympics & Paralympics: Reverted again, first get consensus for your change undo
04:46, 11 October 2016‎ Hawkeye7 talk contribs‎ 56,634 bytes +389‎ →‎Olympics & Paralympics undo

Fram's shows up trying to be reasonable...

22:19, 11 October 2016‎ Aussiesportlibrarian talk contribs‎ 64,569 bytes +1,803‎ →‎RfC: Paralympics undo

Ah! Another long term ally in HOPAU grifting appears!!

Every other single person on that page, that isn't inside on the grift, sides with Fram's interpretation...

Is anyone NOT seeing the pattern here?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:42 pm

A bunch of grifters in the same room at the same time.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... 8o1H_qDAAJ

Graham Pearce
9/16/16
Hi all,

According to Weeklypedia, which tracks weekly edit statistics on
Wikipedia, the page "Australia at the 2016 Summer Paralympics" was the
15th-most edited article on the entire site in the past week with 220 edits:
http://weekly.hatnote.com/archive/en/20 ... 60916.html

Congratulations to all those involved in the milestone and thanks for
updating this and other relevant pages.

Other nations' Paralympic articles that came in the top twenty were
Great Britain (#1), Greece (#4), Brazil (#5), China (#8), Iran (#12),
and Canada (#20). The overall medal table also came in at #19.

Graham

How is this not exactly like GibraltarPedia?

Other miscreants from the HOPAU grift seen in this thread taking victory laps:
* Elizabeth Mills
* Tony Naar
* Greg Blood
* Ross Mallett

Ross Mallett also takes the time to do some off wiki canvassing!

Ross Mallett

10/11/16

RfC on Wikipedia

All,

I have created an RfC on Wikipedia at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... aralympics

in an attempt to restore Paralympic athletes to notability.

If everybody here would comment, that would be a great help.

Otherwise, we face having Americans delete many of our biographical
articles.

Regards
Ross

Dude, that's an indef block.