I have heard from a couple people this past week that they think anecdotally that the 15% female participation estimate at WP is stuffed — that the actual count is much higher than that.Hex wrote:The gender balance of attendees was much better than the overall online balance, which was refreshing.
You're probably right.Jim wrote:Yeah, I'm not absolutely certain, looking closer. What makes me think it could be shadow, or an artefact, is that you can see the same green discolouration in the other shadow areas on the shirt, and even, to an extent, his stubble.Triptych wrote:In the second picture linked by Neved in her 12:03 post above, it really does look like a huge stain. I don't see how it could be lighting. Additionally in that picture, though this is very small and less certain, the stain appears to me to me to continue on the left lapel of the business jacket Wales is wearing over the t-shirt.Jim wrote:I think there's a technical term for that, almost certainly "shadow", probably involving effects from coloured stage lighting. You can see the effect elsewhere in the shot, too.neved wrote:What in the world is that disgusting colored spot at the upper part (around the neck) of Mr. Wales t-shirt?
Could it possibly be some huge hot chocolate or cappuccino spill and he couldn't change clothes?
But let's face it, it's much funnier if we assume he missed his mouth with his kool-aid, so I'm perfectly happy to go with that.
Jimbo is a freaking college graduate, so he should have learned in his management and HR classes that image is important for projecting charisma and leadership. So, he shows up to the most important Wikimania in years looking like this? What the heck is the matter with this guy?neved wrote:A few months ago I saw a TV advertisement about weight loosing pills.
In the advertisement a little boy looks at his pregnant mom's tummy, and asks why it is so big.
The mom explains to the boy that she is pregnant. The boy then looks at his dad's tummy, and... asks:
"Daddy, are you pregnant too?"
I wonder why this picture reminded that advertisement to me:ermm:
Now this image.What in the world is that disgusting colored spot at the upper part (around the neck) of Mr. Wales t-shirt, and who came up with an idea to write "Wikimania London" over tummy? It would have looked much more in place, if it were placed on the chest, would it not?
And it is funny... Right after I wrote this comment about the t-shirt I watched Jon Davies (Chief Executive Wimedia UK) speech at the opening ceremony. He was talking about challenges of making t-shirts "you are wearing" After exclaiming "what possibly could go wrong with t-shirts?" Mr.Davies presented the table (below), explained how much time and efforts were spent on t-shirts.
I personally believe that everything that could have gone wrong with t-shirts did get wrong, but another thing, it is rather scary that the charity spends time and money on such things...
The thing is that even, if a wikipedian finds a cure for cancer he/she would not be able to share the discovery on Wikipedia because due to Wikipedia:No original research (T-H-L). So I am not sure what finding cure for cancer has to do with wikipedia, and its funding.Peter Damian wrote:No it's awesome. Brandon gave an incredible talk about the importance of finding a cure for cancer.
Wikipedia has enough power to make the world a better place. They simply have to close their sites once and for all.Peter Damian wrote:and making the world a better place.
It saddened me, but Lila looked hardly better.Cla68 wrote:Jimbo is a freaking college graduate, so he should have learned in his management and HR classes that image is important for projecting charisma and leadership. So, he shows up to the most important Wikimania in years looking like this? What the heck is the matter with this guy?neved wrote:A few months ago I saw a TV advertisement about weight loosing pills.
In the advertisement a little boy looks at his pregnant mom's tummy, and asks why it is so big.
The mom explains to the boy that she is pregnant. The boy then looks at his dad's tummy, and... asks:
"Daddy, are you pregnant too?"
I wonder why this picture reminded that advertisement to me:ermm:
Now this image.What in the world is that disgusting colored spot at the upper part (around the neck) of Mr. Wales t-shirt, and who came up with an idea to write "Wikimania London" over tummy? It would have looked much more in place, if it were placed on the chest, would it not?
And it is funny... Right after I wrote this comment about the t-shirt I watched Jon Davies (Chief Executive Wimedia UK) speech at the opening ceremony. He was talking about challenges of making t-shirts "you are wearing" After exclaiming "what possibly could go wrong with t-shirts?" Mr.Davies presented the table (below), explained how much time and efforts were spent on t-shirts.
I personally believe that everything that could have gone wrong with t-shirts did get wrong, but another thing, it is rather scary that the charity spends time and money on such things...
It sure is a weird effect.neved wrote:You're probably right.
I looked at another image, and the "stains" look differently.
You're a harsh man.Vigilant wrote:Lila looks like David Gerard.
If by "participation", you mean the editors who create a User name, then edit more than 20 times on at least 3 unrelated topics, I would guess that the estimate of 12% to 15% female is quite accurate.Randy from Boise wrote:I have heard from a couple people this past week that they think anecdotally that the 15% female participation estimate at WP is stuffed — that the actual count is much higher than that.Hex wrote:The gender balance of attendees was much better than the overall online balance, which was refreshing.
Your thoughts?
RfB
That picture isn't David Gerard, it's "David Gerard" ((c) Wikipedia Review/Wikipediocracy posters). I passed David Gerard in a corridor yesterday. He looked like David Gerard.Jim wrote: Not even David Gerard looks like David Gerard. It would be too cruel, even for him...
The 15% figure matches what I would offer anecdotally for my experience. I suspect that many female editors simply do not reveal their gender for fear of ill-treatment.thekohser wrote:If by "participation", you mean the editors who create a User name, then edit more than 20 times on at least 3 unrelated topics, I would guess that the estimate of 12% to 15% female is quite accurate.Randy from Boise wrote:I have heard from a couple people this past week that they think anecdotally that the 15% female participation estimate at WP is stuffed — that the actual count is much higher than that.Hex wrote:The gender balance of attendees was much better than the overall online balance, which was refreshing.
Your thoughts?
Oh dear, yes it does.thekohser wrote: As for the other comments about Jimbo looking fashionably unprepared for this conference, this is nothing new. His famous "give us money" photo in the cobalt blue Oxford shirt clearly suggests that the shirt was removed from its package only minutes before the photo was taken.
At the other end of the spectrum is the new Wikimania shirt in baby-puke green — which truly does look like it was designed by a committee...F. Scott Fitgerald wrote: He took out a pile of shirts and began throwing them, one by one, before us, shirts of sheer linen and thick silk and fine flannel, which lost their folds as they fell and covered the table in many-colored disarray. While we admired he brought more and the soft rich heap mounted higher — shirts with stripes and scrolls and plaids in coral and apple-green and lavender and faint orange, and monograms of Indian blue. Suddenly, with a strained sound, Daisy bent her head into the shirts and began to cry stormily. “They’re such beautiful shirts,” she sobbed, her voice muffled in the thick folds. “It makes me sad because I’ve never seen such — such beautiful shirts before.”
A corridor of power?Hex wrote:That picture isn't David Gerard, it's "David Gerard" ((c) Wikipedia Review/Wikipediocracy posters). I passed David Gerard in a corridor yesterday. He looked like David Gerard.Jim wrote: Not even David Gerard looks like David Gerard. It would be too cruel, even for him...
I suppose a Wikipedian would argue that by reading Wikipedia, someone could educate him(her)self sufficiently to become a medical researcher, and while researching could use Wikipedia as a reference. Nobody here would agree, but that's the sort of thing they might come up with.neved wrote:The thing is that even, if a wikipedian finds a cure for cancer he/she would not be able to share the discovery on Wikipedia because due to Wikipedia:No original research (T-H-L). So I am not sure what finding cure for cancer has to do with wikipedia, and its funding.Peter Damian wrote:No it's awesome. Brandon gave an incredible talk about the importance of finding a cure for cancer.
They had a terrible start:Bielle wrote:Nothing asked about design, colour or legibility, and you can tell.
Sorry, but hard as the result makes it to believe, they did consider colour.
It looks like Brandon will soon join the follicly challenged club, so don't stroke too hard... he needs all the hair he's got.thekohser wrote:[...]Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
"Wikipedia will eventually be finished. This is important enough to mention in the same breath as other things that will happen eventually, such as curing cancer and ending war." - Brandon Harrisneved wrote:The thing is that even, if a wikipedian finds a cure for cancer he/she would not be able to share the discovery on Wikipedia because due to Wikipedia:No original research (T-H-L). So I am not sure what finding cure for cancer has to do with wikipedia, and its funding.Peter Damian wrote:No it's awesome. Brandon gave an incredible talk about the importance of finding a cure for cancer.
I nearly took a photo of PD admiring Brandon's tattoo in person, but decided to leave the moment for history.thekohser wrote:Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
Oh, boo, you have to preserve stuff for history. You left it to the forgotten past...Hex wrote:I nearly took a photo of PD admiring Brandon's tattoo in person, but decided to leave the moment for history.thekohser wrote:Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
Midsize Jake wrote:Peter Damian wrote:Aren't you all ashamed?
Actually, it does take quite a lot of guts to foist buggy, non-working software on thousands of users who clearly don't want anything to do with it, so as to nearly break one of the most heavily-trafficked websites in the world, and then not only ignore the complaints, but actually claim that this is part of how you're helping to achieve something that's socially equivalent to ending cancer, war, and poverty.Randy from Boise wrote:Okay, so I can totally understand how a Mixed Martial Arts guy or an American football player or a marathon runner might have a tattoo reading "COURAGE," but what does it mean in the context of a computer geek having such ink?
Here is the one I took. (Copyright Peter Damian, no uploading to Commons please).Hex wrote:I nearly took a photo of PD admiring Brandon's tattoo in person, but decided to leave the moment for history.thekohser wrote:Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
So what we're saying here is that at some point after the photo shoot, Jimbo just gave the shirt to Brandon, rather than keep it for future photo shoots? I didn't realize Jimbo and Brandon were the same size, though looking at it again, I guess it is a little tight on him.Peter Damian wrote:Here is the one I took...
Like tears in the rain...Hex wrote:I nearly took a photo of PD admiring Brandon's tattoo in person, but decided to leave the moment for history.thekohser wrote:Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
Jesus.Peter Damian wrote:Here is the one I took. (Copyright Peter Damian, no uploading to Commons please).Hex wrote:I nearly took a photo of PD admiring Brandon's tattoo in person, but decided to leave the moment for history.thekohser wrote:Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
I would assume so - after all, you can't have a "safe space" without plenty of tear gas, tasers, cattle prods, and rubber bullets.Vigilant wrote:Was there tear gas at this event?
Jesus that's bad.mac wrote:Ah, thank you Mancunium. This is the version of the logo I couldn't find on Commons:
I believe that if wikipedia maybe could help to educate citizens of the third word countries, it could only hurt education in the developed countries. Students don't go to libraries instead they go to wikipedia, they do not read books instead they read articles written by a bunch of anonymous nobodies, they are not doing their own research instead they are relying on the research that is done for them. Nobody who is educated on wikipedia would ever become a researcher.Poetlister wrote:I suppose a Wikipedian would argue that by reading Wikipedia, someone could educate him(her)self sufficiently to become a medical researcher, and while researching could use Wikipedia as a reference. Nobody here would agree, but that's the sort of thing they might come up with.neved wrote:The thing is that even, if a wikipedian finds a cure for cancer he/she would not be able to share the discovery on Wikipedia because due to Wikipedia:No original research (T-H-L). So I am not sure what finding cure for cancer has to do with wikipedia, and its funding.Peter Damian wrote:No it's awesome. Brandon gave an incredible talk about the importance of finding a cure for cancer.
Wouldn't you be even happier, if you did not go there at all? Honestly?Peter Damian wrote:I'm back home. I'm so glad.
Now I understand why visual editor does not work.Peter Damian wrote:Here is the one I took. (Copyright Peter Damian, no uploading to Commons please).Hex wrote:I nearly took a photo of PD admiring Brandon's tattoo in person, but decided to leave the moment for history.thekohser wrote:Were you able to touch Brandon's hair? I hear that those who are able to get close enough to stroke those long, silky locks are imbued with new powers of "courage", just as his forearm tattoo says.
It was fascinating. I wouldn't want to do it again, but it was fascinating.neved wrote:Wouldn't you be even happier, if you did not go there at all? Honestly?Peter Damian wrote:I'm back home. I'm so glad.
"a toxic effect on the community"? First mr. wales should define "the community". If he means the community of demiurge1000s, jehochmanes, russavias, Beyond My Kens, newyourkbrads, Beeblebroxes, AGKs and so on, no "toxic effect" could ever hurt that community. It is already as sick and as toxic as it gets.Peter Damian wrote:Also striking was in the closing speech by Jimmy, where he noted the problem of editors who contribute excellent content to Wikipedia but who have a toxic effect on the community...
Peter, I do not think you could make a correct judgement about someone simply by talking to him especially publicly.Peter Damian wrote:It was fascinating. I wouldn't want to do it again, but it was fascinating.neved wrote:Wouldn't you be even happier, if you did not go there at all? Honestly?Peter Damian wrote:I'm back home. I'm so glad.
Also interesting was how many of the Wikipedians were really nice people. I made an effort to talk to many many of them, and most of them are sincere and kind. A number of arbitrators introduced themselves to me. Carcharoth struck me as a gentle person, with no side. 'Worm', i.e. Dave Craven, seemed honest, open and sincere. Roger Davies is what he is - I have never met such a foul-mouthed person for a long time. He had an amusing gaffe with a 'Gendergap' woman that delicacy forbids me from repeating here.
I chatted briefly with Fae who is quite unlike the character he portrays online. I think the internet has a bad effect on all of us.
And I agree the internet and wikipedia in particular has a bad effect on all of us. wikipedia takes human beings and turns them to wikipedians, and it is one of the most horrible things that could happen to one on the NET.The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.
I suspect that whoever designed it was a fan of the deliberately asymmetrical and jagged London 2012 Olympics branding. Which virtually everyone thought was shit.Vigilant wrote:Jesus that's bad.mac wrote:Ah, thank you Mancunium. This is the version of the logo I couldn't find on Commons:
Is there nobody on WMF's staff with any real world MarCom experience?!?!
This is high school first draft for an introductory art class bad.
This has a nice ring.wikipedia takes human beings and turns them to wikipedians
that's the thing about getting older, you learn more things about more people ... for example, that the John Hopkins professor of surgery who set your broken arm had a wife who died from falling down the stairs, while he was beating her ... and so on. The older I get, the more the human race sucks.neved wrote:Peter, I do not think you could make a correct judgement about someone simply by talking to him ...
Did Worm introduce himself specifically as Dave Craven to your face, and you found that sincere? I could use this assist me in updating the Arbcom Accountability Project.Peter Damian wrote:It was fascinating. I wouldn't want to do it again, but it was fascinating.neved wrote:Wouldn't you be even happier, if you did not go there at all? Honestly?Peter Damian wrote:I'm back home. I'm so glad.
Also interesting was how many of the Wikipedians were really nice people. I made an effort to talk to many many of them, and most of them are sincere and kind. A number of arbitrators introduced themselves to me. Carcharoth struck me as a gentle person, with no side. 'Worm', i.e. Dave Craven, seemed honest, open and sincere. Roger Davies is what he is - I have never met such a foul-mouthed person for a long time. He had an amusing gaffe with a 'Gendergap' woman that delicacy forbids me from repeating here.
I chatted briefly with Fae who is quite unlike the character he portrays online. I think the internet has a bad effect on all of us.
Many of whom were installed in positions of authority prior to 2006......by someone called Jimmy Wales.Peter Damian wrote:Also striking was in the closing speech by Jimmy, where he noted the problem of editors who contribute excellent content to Wikipedia but who have a toxic effect on the community...
Remember, Wikimania attendees are on their best behaviour, many of them being paid WMF employees or angling for a job, like Fae. And they are not the worst of Wikipedia administrators and hardcore trolls anyway. The craziest ones would never, EVER appear in public, at a Wikimania or anything else.Peter Damian wrote:Also interesting was how many of the Wikipedians were really nice people. I made an effort to talk to many many of them, and most of them are sincere and kind. A number of arbitrators introduced themselves to me. Carcharoth struck me as a gentle person, with no side. 'Worm', i.e. Dave Craven, seemed honest, open and sincere. Roger Davies is what he is - I have never met such a foul-mouthed person for a long time. He had an amusing gaffe with a 'Gendergap' woman that delicacy forbids me from repeating here.
I chatted briefly with Fae who is quite unlike the character he portrays online. I think the internet has a bad effect on all of us.
viewtopic.php?p=82504#p82504thekohser wrote:I thought it was pretty nifty how Jimbo side-stepped the whole "will he actually pay this year's Wikipedian of the Year the prize money or not" issue, by inducting a dead person as the 2014 Wikipedian of the Year.
Did anyone hear of this in person, or is it on video somewhere? Did Jimbo offer to donate the usual $5,000 to some Ukrainian relief agency or something?
Apparently, the $5,000 deal got abolished last year already. [Pending verification]thekohser wrote:I thought it was pretty nifty how Jimbo side-stepped the whole "will he actually pay this year's Wikipedian of the Year the prize money or not" issue, by inducting a dead person as the 2014 Wikipedian of the Year.
Did anyone hear of this in person, or is it on video somewhere? Did Jimbo offer to donate the usual $5,000 to some Ukrainian relief agency or something?
Too bad you didn't heckle him!!!Peter Damian wrote:Also striking was in the closing speech by Jimmy, where he noted the problem of editors who contribute excellent content to Wikipedia but who have a toxic effect on the community because of their incivility. These people should be shown the door 'in a nice way' but firmly.
The crowd gradually broke into applause, turning into a thunderous ovation. Jimmy beamed.
It was like the two minute hate, really. Chilling. I did not applaud.
[edit] Oh yes, another presentation suggested the idea of a 'civility toolbox'. Containing riot shields, truncheons and tear gas, no doubt.
Exxxxxxxxxcellent question. I noticed that.Triptych wrote:Is Sue Gardner still on the WMF payroll then?
