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Unread post by Ming » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:42 pm

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Donald Sawyer is a film director, currently residing in Westfield, New Jersey.[1] He is best known for directing the controversial 2009 documentary, 'The Eyes Have Frozen Open: The Fall of the Kroner'. The film chronicling the financial crisis in Iceland met harsh reviews at the 2010 Boulder International Film Festival. Critics have cited its depiction of certain British banks as being succubi on the economy of Iceland as "over-the-top and defamatory."
It's mostly unchanged since it was created in 2011. The schedule for the 2010 Boulder International Film Festival doesn't mention the film he supposedly directed. Neither does the Daily Camera, which is used as a reference. Probably fake.
Nuked as a hoax by our buddy Mangoe. Looks to be one of the longer-lasting hoaxes, 'cause nobody cares.

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Unread post by AndyTheGrump » Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:32 pm

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List of participants at the Battle of Badr (T-H-L)
From Battle of Badr (T-H-L):
The story of the Battle of Badr has been passed down in Islamic history throughout the centuries, before being combined in the multiple biographies of Muhammad that exist today. It is mentioned in the Quran, and all knowledge of the battle comes from traditional Islamic accounts, recorded and compiled sometime after the battle. There is little evidence beside these and there are no written descriptions of the battle prior to the 9th century, and as such, the historicity and authenticity of the battle are debated by contemporary historians.
Not just an indiscriminate list (copy-pasted from elsewhere, I suspect), but one based on unreliable sources. Wikipedia listcruft at its finest...

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Crucible (geodemography) (T-H-L)
Crucible is a geodemography computer system created by the United Kingdom-based grocery company Tesco. The system is run by a subsidiary Dunnhumby. The system collects information from the company's loyalty program, "Clubcard", as well as aggregating information from other geodemographic databases and other sources. The system has been used to sell customer information to other companies in the UK, leading to accusations in 2005 that the company, with its large share of the UK shopping sector, has become too powerful.

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Guardian article on Crucible
Another Guardian article on Crucible

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Basically unchanged since 2007. It should probably be merged into Tesco Clubcard (T-H-L) which itself might warrant merging with Dunnhumby (T-H-L).
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2010 New Zealand Grand Prix (T-H-L)
The 2010 New Zealand Grand Prix was an open wheel racing car race held at Manfeild Autocourse, near Feilding on 14 February 2010.

It was the fifty-fifth New Zealand Grand Prix and was open to Toyota Racing Series cars. The event was also the third race of the fourth round of the 2010 Toyota Racing Series.
That's some first-class* writing. The rest of the article are tables and the infobox.

* If this forum were German I would have made an "erstklassig" ("first-class") / "Erste Klasse" ("first grade") joke.
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Unread post by FelinaLavandula » Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:19 am

Not sure if this counts, but Phonetic series on Wiktionary. Never explains what phonetic series are and it doesn’t appear to be anywhere on Wiktionary. Then I went to Wikipedia and looked it up there, but while the article is actually quite helpful, there wasn’t a redirect to it from the search term “phonetic series” (now amended). The article title is Phonetic series (Chinese characters) (T-H-L)… go figure.

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María Miret (T-H-L)
María Miret Bofí (born 13 May 1995) is a Spanish retired football midfielder.[2]
Career
Miret started playing football from 11 years old and quickly progressed through the academy at Levante.[3] Miret has represented Spain at under-17 and under-19 level.[4]
Personal life
In 2015, Miret appeared in the Spanish reality television series Cámbiame.[5] After playing soccer in the United States, she took up CrossFit training. She continued this when she lived in China, where she also took up teaching. She participated in the 2019 Asia CrossFit Championship and was the only Spanish participant. On 27 December 2019, she married Inés Suanzes in Las Vegas, who she met while in Texas.[6] In October 2020, Miret and her wife were both asked to leave China by the Chinese government due to Suanzes testing positive for having COVID-19 antibodies in her system.[7]
Just an assortment of random factoids presented without any cohesion.
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Unread post by rnu » Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:51 pm

Cthulhu Mythos in popular culture (T-H-L)
As opposed to what? The real Cthulhu Mythos? I like H. P. Lovecraft (T-H-L), but I always thought the Cthulhu Mythos (T-H-L) was fiction.
Or is the implication that Lovecraft's writings are part of unpopular culture?
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Unread post by Elinruby » Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:48 am

Sino-Spanish_conflicts (T-H-L)
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I have about a hundred edits into this and still don't see the light of day

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Unread post by Midsize Jake » Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:55 am

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Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:51 pm
Cthulhu Mythos in popular culture (T-H-L)
As opposed to what? The real Cthulhu Mythos? I like H. P. Lovecraft (T-H-L), but I always thought the Cthulhu Mythos (T-H-L) was fiction.
Or is the implication that Lovecraft's writings are part of unpopular culture?
It's just the title, really — I think they're just trying to keep it short. "List of Non-Canonical Cthulhu Mythos References and Influences in Popular Culture" would probably be a little unwieldy, and then they'd get into huge arguments over what is and isn't "canonical."

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Yakub (Nation of Islam) (T-H-L)
According to the beliefs of the Nation of Islam (T-H-L) (NOI), Yakub (sometimes spelled Yacub or Yaqub) was a black scientist who lived 6,600 years ago and began the creation of the white race (T-H-L). He is said to have done this through a form of selective breeding (T-H-L) which is referred to as "grafting (T-H-L)", while he was living on the island of Patmos (T-H-L).
The story has caused disputes within the NOI during its history. Under its current leader Louis Farrakhan, the NOI continues to assert that the story of Yakub is true,[source: NOI itself] claiming that modern science is consistent with it.[National Geographic Proves Teaching on Mr. Yakub]
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Zoll wrote:
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Yakub (Nation of Islam) (T-H-L)
According to the beliefs of the Nation of Islam (T-H-L) (NOI), Yakub (sometimes spelled Yacub or Yaqub) was a black scientist who lived 6,600 years ago and began the creation of the white race (T-H-L). He is said to have done this through a form of selective breeding (T-H-L) which is referred to as "grafting (T-H-L)", while he was living on the island of Patmos (T-H-L).
The story has caused disputes within the NOI during its history. Under its current leader Louis Farrakhan, the NOI continues to assert that the story of Yakub is true,[source: NOI itself] claiming that modern science is consistent with it.[National Geographic Proves Teaching on Mr. Yakub]
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Thanks for pointing out that article. It's absolutely hilarious. My favorite sentence:
Moses tried to civilize them, but eventually gave up and blew up 300 of the most troublesome white people with dynamite.[9]
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Yanitzia Canetti (T-H-L)

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Mimsville, Georgia (T-H-L)
Mimsville is an extinct town in Baker County, in the U.S. state of Georgia. The GNIS classifies it as a populated place.[1]

History

The first permanent settlement at Mimsville was made about 1880.[2] A post office called Mimsville was established in 1884, and remained in operation until 1914.[3] The community was named after Robert L. Mims, a local storekeeper.[2]
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Unread post by rnu » Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:17 pm

The House of Beaumont (T-H-L) was an Anglo-Norman family. They were powerful and influential during the early Norman rule in England. The article has been tagged as needing sources for verification since 2009. That's not the biggest problem.

For some reason Wikipedia thinks that the house had two founders. Humphrey de Vieilles (T-H-L) and his son Roger de Beaumont (T-H-L). I assume it is because the latter was the first to use the name.
There is a rather poor and completely unreferenced history section.
After that come two family trees. They use different formats and the second lists a lot of people who were not members of the house, i.e. people who were descended through the female line. It also highlights the Earls of Leicester even though those do not constitute the male line. I assume that the family tree was made for the Earls of Leicester and then just copied over.
Below the family trees comes a section named "First Creation (1107). Obviously this refers to the Earldom of Leicester, not the Beaumont family. So it is no surprise that it lists two female line descendants who were members of the House of Montfort (T-H-L). It also leaves out Amice, Countess of Rochefort (T-H-L)
After that comes a section on "Early members of the house of Beaumont". First comes the "Anglo-Norman branch". It is completely unclear how the names were picked. Although they all have already appeared in the history section and the family trees. The list also uses the name "Waleran" to refer to Waleran de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Worcester (T-H-L) where the rest of the article uses the name "Galéran" (of course without connecting the names, because why would it).
Then comes the "French branch". Except it's not a branch at all. It is a completely different family of the same name:
The French Vicomtes de Beaumont au Maine date from approximately 930 AD and contrary to many false assumptions never had, and do not have, any connection with the Norman Beaumonts descended from Roger de Beaumont. The French family take their name from the village of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe (formerly Beaumont le Vicomte) which is 30 km north of Le Mans. (Beaumont-le-Roger is about 125 km away, in the vicinity of Rouen). The French family came to England in the late 14th century (see Isabella de Vesci) and modern Beaumonts are descended from her brother Henry de Beaumont who was the first of the English barony and later Viscounts.
They are not a branch of the Norman family - rather they fought against the Normans on behalf of the French (see Hubert de Beaumont).
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Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:17 pm
The House of Beaumont (T-H-L) was an Anglo-Norman family. They were powerful and influential during the early Norman rule in England. The article has been tagged as needing sources for verification since 2009. That's not the biggest problem.

For some reason Wikipedia thinks that the house had two founders. Humphrey de Vieilles (T-H-L) and his son Roger de Beaumont (T-H-L). I assume it is because the latter was the first to use the name.
There is a rather poor and completely unreferenced history section.
After that come two family trees. They use different formats and the second lists a lot of people who were not members of the house, i.e. people who were descended through the female line. It also highlights the Earls of Leicester even though those do not constitute the male line. I assume that the family tree was made for the Earls of Leicester and then just copied over.
Below the family trees comes a section named "First Creation (1107). Obviously this refers to the Earldom of Leicester, not the Beaumont family. So it is no surprise that it lists two female line descendants who were members of the House of Montfort (T-H-L). It also leaves out Amice, Countess of Rochefort (T-H-L)
After that comes a section on "Early members of the house of Beaumont". First comes the "Anglo-Norman branch". It is completely unclear how the names were picked. Although they all have already appeared in the history section and the family trees. The list also uses the name "Waleran" to refer to Waleran de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Worcester (T-H-L) where the rest of the article uses the name "Galéran" (of course without connecting the names, because why would it).
Then comes the "French branch". Except it's not a branch at all. It is a completely different family of the same name:
The French Vicomtes de Beaumont au Maine date from approximately 930 AD and contrary to many false assumptions never had, and do not have, any connection with the Norman Beaumonts descended from Roger de Beaumont. The French family take their name from the village of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe (formerly Beaumont le Vicomte) which is 30 km north of Le Mans. (Beaumont-le-Roger is about 125 km away, in the vicinity of Rouen). The French family came to England in the late 14th century (see Isabella de Vesci) and modern Beaumonts are descended from her brother Henry de Beaumont who was the first of the English barony and later Viscounts.
They are not a branch of the Norman family - rather they fought against the Normans on behalf of the French (see Hubert de Beaumont).
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Bitvrđa (T-H-L)
Bitvrđa is a village in the municipality of Surdulica, Serbia. According to the 2002 census, the town has a population of 23 people.[1]
This one comes with a fun "spot the village" game. "View of Bitvrđa":
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Unread post by tarantino » Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:08 am

It also highlights the Earls of Leicester even though those do not constitute the male line. I assume that the family tree was made for the Earls of Leicester and then just copied over.
Not to be confused with The Earls of Leicester (band) (T-H-L).

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rnu wrote:
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Mimsville, Georgia (T-H-L)
Mimsville is an extinct town in Baker County, in the U.S. state of Georgia. The GNIS classifies it as a populated place.[1]

History

The first permanent settlement at Mimsville was made about 1880.[2] A post office called Mimsville was established in 1884, and remained in operation until 1914.[3] The community was named after Robert L. Mims, a local storekeeper.[2]
Probably a post office in a store, but it would probably be hard to get rid of.

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Anne Hurley (T-H-L)
Anne Hurley (born 22 March 1951) is a Canadian basketball player. She competed in the women's tournament at the 1976 Summer Olympics.[1]
Still a basketball player at 72, respect.
Although she won't qualify for the San Diego Splash for a few more years.

Several of her teammates from the 1976 Summer Olympics are also still active. At least on Wikipedia ...
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rnu wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:27 pm
Mimsville, Georgia (T-H-L)
Mimsville is an extinct town in Baker County, in the U.S. state of Georgia. The GNIS classifies it as a populated place.[1]

History

The first permanent settlement at Mimsville was made about 1880.[2] A post office called Mimsville was established in 1884, and remained in operation until 1914.[3] The community was named after Robert L. Mims, a local storekeeper.[2]
Probably a post office in a store, but it would probably be hard to get rid of.
There have been some recent state-by-state purges. A lot of California pseudo-town articles were deleted or redirected.
Many of these dubious stubs were mass created in the past based on unreliable GNIS data.

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Ron Lybonly wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:24 am
Ming wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:34 am
rnu wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:27 pm
Mimsville, Georgia (T-H-L)
Mimsville is an extinct town in Baker County, in the U.S. state of Georgia. The GNIS classifies it as a populated place.[1]

History

The first permanent settlement at Mimsville was made about 1880.[2] A post office called Mimsville was established in 1884, and remained in operation until 1914.[3] The community was named after Robert L. Mims, a local storekeeper.[2]
Probably a post office in a store, but it would probably be hard to get rid of.
There have been some recent state-by-state purges. A lot of California pseudo-town articles were deleted or redirected.
Many of these dubious stubs were mass created in the past based on unreliable GNIS data.
I've seen some AfDs where there was literally nothing there but a railway siding in Arizona.

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Elinruby wrote:
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I've seen some AfDs where there was literally nothing there but a railway siding in Arizona.
If it was New Jersey or England, nobody would have bothered even trying to delete it.

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Unread post by Elinruby » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:51 am

The Blue Newt wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:41 am
Elinruby wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:43 am

I've seen some AfDs where there was literally nothing there but a railway siding in Arizona.
If it was New Jersey or England, nobody would have bothered even trying to delete it.
Really? I wander into AfD only when very bored. I was in these because I rather like absolutely nowhere and could confirm that there was indeed Nothing There at certain exits of I-40. Kudos to Mangoe (T-C-L) for fighting the good fight; they were getting stiff resistance over roads that couldn't possibly be open in winter

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Elinruby wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:51 am
The Blue Newt wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:41 am
Elinruby wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:43 am

I've seen some AfDs where there was literally nothing there but a railway siding in Arizona.
If it was New Jersey or England, nobody would have bothered even trying to delete it.
Really? I wander into AfD only when very bored. I was in these because I rather like absolutely nowhere and could confirm that there was indeed Nothing There at certain exits of I-40. Kudos to Mangoe (T-C-L) for fighting the good fight; they were getting stiff resistance over roads that couldn't possibly be open in winter
There is a certain presumption among some people that All Things Rail are significant, and another partially overlapping group that takes Anglophilia to a point probably proscribed somewhere in Leviticus. When combined, their ability to preserve blatant shit is considerable.

New Jersey has more a of one-man PR effort, but it is one man with an awful lot of free time.

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Unread post by Elinruby » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:53 am

The Blue Newt wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:00 am
Elinruby wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:51 am
The Blue Newt wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:41 am
Elinruby wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:43 am

I've seen some AfDs where there was literally nothing there but a railway siding in Arizona.
If it was New Jersey or England, nobody would have bothered even trying to delete it.
Really? I wander into AfD only when very bored. I was in these because I rather like absolutely nowhere and could confirm that there was indeed Nothing There at certain exits of I-40. Kudos to Mangoe (T-C-L) for fighting the good fight; they were getting stiff resistance over roads that couldn't possibly be open in winter
There is a certain presumption among some people that All Things Rail are significant, and another partially overlapping group that takes Anglophilia to a point probably proscribed somewhere in Leviticus. When combined, their ability to preserve blatant shit is considerable.

New Jersey has more a of one-man PR effort, but it is one man with an awful lot of free time.
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Unread post by rnu » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:21 pm

Ron Lybonly wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:24 am
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Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:27 pm
Mimsville, Georgia (T-H-L)
Mimsville is an extinct town in Baker County, in the U.S. state of Georgia. The GNIS classifies it as a populated place.[1]

History

The first permanent settlement at Mimsville was made about 1880.[2] A post office called Mimsville was established in 1884, and remained in operation until 1914.[3] The community was named after Robert L. Mims, a local storekeeper.[2]
Probably a post office in a store, but it would probably be hard to get rid of.
There have been some recent state-by-state purges. A lot of California pseudo-town articles were deleted or redirected.
Many of these dubious stubs were mass created in the past based on unreliable GNIS data.
The funny thing about this particular article is that it actually makes it clear that the GNIS data is crap.
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Unread post by Ming » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:26 pm

rnu post_idNot to mention that =344068 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:21 pm
The funny thing about this particular article is that it actually makes it clear that the GNIS data is crap.
Oh, it's hardly in the running compared to these bad examples, not to mention that WP:GEOLAND (T-H-L) has been argued about for years now. There's been a run of Washington state locations which are now going through AfD because when they were PRODed this was removed because "geographic locations tend to be controversial and should be run through AfD". As it stands, none of these is going to be contested.

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Unread post by Dan of La Mancha » Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:28 am

Goose (T-H-L)

This article is fine until you reach the "Migratory patterns" section, at which point the prose suddenly starts to resemble a student essay.
Geese typically migrate in the fall and in order to prepare for this travel they start in the summer by igniting a process called molting. A process where the birds shed their old feathers and grow new ones to prepare for the journey ahead.
[...]
Much like how animals who hibernate, geese eat more during the time they prepare for migration.
[...]
In order to travel, geese remember landmarks as well as use the Sun and the Moon, and past experience to navigate their journey.
[...]
Geese have to adjust and accommodate their migration habits for changes in the environment, they must remain flexible.
And sure enough, it is a student essay – the section was added by Molleighroy (T-C-L) as part of a WikiEdu assignment. I wouldn't normally call out badly-written-but-correct information (writing is hard, and God loves a tryer), but these additions to the Goose article have, in theory, been checked and approved by course instructor Gcampbel (T-C-L) and "Senior Wikipedia Expert" Ian (Wiki Ed) (T-C-L), who you'd think would have the requisite training to be able to spot the basic syntactical errors that litter this piece.

Scroll down a little further and you'll arrive at the inevitable "In popular culture" section.
Well-known sayings about geese include:
You can guess the rest.
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Unread post by rnu » Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:18 pm

The Blue Newt wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:00 am
[...]
There is a certain presumption among some people that All Things Rail are significant,
[...]
Indeed: List of train songs (T-H-L)
The lead basically admits that this is crap:
The number of train songs that have appeared since then is impossible to determine, not only because of the difficulties in documenting the songs but also in defining the genre.
We can't define the genre, but we can list hundreds of songs. :facepalm:
Can't blame them for not being diligent -- the list has 873 references. Of course a lot of them are crap.
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Unread post by Elinruby » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:22 am

I knew by the third sentence that it was WikiEdu

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List of historically significant college football games (T-H-L)

Based on the title, there should be nothing on this list. But the lead sentence doubles down and says that these 101 games are of great historical significance.

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Unread post by Elinruby » Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:50 pm

Bihag (T-H-L) is becoming a perennial resident of the copyedit queue. It might be an important article. Or gibberish. Or both. I really can't tell but I am pretty sure it can be explained better than this

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Unread post by AndyTheGrump » Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:44 pm

Elinruby wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:50 pm
Bihag (T-H-L) is becoming a perennial resident of the copyedit queue. It might be an important article. Or gibberish. Or both. I really can't tell but I am pretty sure it can be explained better than this
Prior to copyediting, they'd first have to decide who they are writing it for. If they are expecting the reader to understand unexplained technical terms from Indian classical music, maybe they'd stand a chance - but is that really appropriate for an article in an English-language encyclopaedia? How many students of the subject are there that (a) know the terms, and (b) would prefer to have it explained in a fragmented English necessarily intermingled with such untranslated words? If they aren't expecting readers to understand the terms, the article seems pointless.

From a quick look, the Raga (T-H-L) article itself makes a fair crack at trying to explain a complex topic to a broader readership, and frankly, that's probably all the English-language Wikipedia should be attempting. Bihag may very well be Wikipedia-'notable', but I have serious doubts that it is within the capacity of the 'community' to do the topic justice. Using a series of words the reader doesn't understand to 'explain' what makes this specific raga different gets them nowhere.

Just because they can write about a subject, doesn't mean they should. Unless of course, the article is written for the benefit of writers, rather than readers...

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Unread post by Elinruby » Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:23 am

AndyTheGrump wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:44 pm
Elinruby wrote:
Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:50 pm
Bihag (T-H-L) is becoming a perennial resident of the copyedit queue. It might be an important article. Or gibberish. Or both. I really can't tell but I am pretty sure it can be explained better than this
Prior to copyediting, they'd first have to decide who they are writing it for. If they are expecting the reader to understand unexplained technical terms from Indian classical music, maybe they'd stand a chance - but is that really appropriate for an article in an English-language encyclopaedia? How many students of the subject are there that (a) know the terms, and (b) would prefer to have it explained in a fragmented English necessarily intermingled with such untranslated words? If they aren't expecting readers to understand the terms, the article seems pointless.

From a quick look, the Raga (T-H-L) article itself makes a fair crack at trying to explain a complex topic to a broader readership, and frankly, that's probably all the English-language Wikipedia should be attempting. Bihag may very well be Wikipedia-'notable', but I have serious doubts that it is within the capacity of the 'community' to do the topic justice. Using a series of words the reader doesn't understand to 'explain' what makes this specific raga different gets them nowhere.

Just because they can write about a subject, doesn't mean they should. Unless of course, the article is written for the benefit of writers, rather than readers...
So you are right, a look at Raga rules out gibberish. Your other points are also well taken.

Since Bihag makes a lot more sense if one has read Raga I wonder if a Request for Merge (with the idea of making Bihag a subsection of Raga) might bring someone out of the woodwork who can do something intelligent with this? That person is certainly not me.

The problem with that proposal however is that for all I know bihag is just one of 459 types of raga. (After reading some more) yeah apparently there are hundreds and I don't even know if this is one of the better-known. I suppose the thing to do to try to identify an editor I can refer this question to.

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Unread post by rnu » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:54 pm

Sexual and Gender Diversity in Social Services (T-H-L) is a stub about a scientific journal. The article has been tagged as relying too much on primary sources since 2009. The article has no sources, only an external link to the journal homepage. The text of the article may surprise you:
The Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services is a peer-reviewed academic journal that covers research related to sexual minorities and their social environment, including issues of homophobia and heterosexism and the personal, day-to-day experiences of people affected by these attitudes. The editor-in-chief is Melanie D. Otis.
Turns out the journal used to be called "The Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services" and changed its name to "Sexual and Gender Diversity in Social Services" beginning this year. Robertsky (T-C-L) moved the article to the new title on 5 January 2024‎ following a request by an ip. Unfortunately the article has remained completely unchanged otherwise. The name of the editor is no longer up-to-date either, it is now edited by Shelley Craig and Peter A. Newman from the University of Toronto.
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Unread post by Zoloft » Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:08 am

An Ars Technica Member throws some shade at Trans-lunar injection (T-H-L).

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I had mild internet-induced outrage because the post didn't link to Trans-lunar injection on Wikipedia. Then I read that page, and now I understand why it wasn't linked. Can someone here far more qualified than me go rewrite that article?
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Unread post by rnu » Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:30 am

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Anticancer gene (T-H-L)
Ooooh! A cancer related article based on (mostly) 10+ year old primary sources (some dating back as far as the 1960s). Just what Wikipedia needs.
But worry not, it has been tagged:
This article may require copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling. (July 2023)
This article may be too technical for most readers to understand. (September 2023)
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Unread post by orangepi » Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:20 am

I stopped watching chess content on Youtube, so the algorithm eventually started recommending backgammon content instead.

I was utterly unsurprised to discover that Wikipedia's backgammon articles are worse than its chess articles. Neurogammon (T-H-L) and Hypergammon (T-H-L) are particularly bad. And I suspect Marc Olsen (T-H-L) is a gestalt biography of two separate individuals.

EDIT: huh, according to a book review it is the same person.
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Unread post by orangepi » Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:38 am

If I "zoom out" it gets worse. What the heck is Xiang Jing (T-H-L)?
Xiang Jing (Chinese: 象经) is a book about a Chinese board game. Xiang Jing was written in 569 CE by Emperor Wu of Northern Zhou, who was a great fan of race games.
No additional content, nor any sourcing, is given. The zhwiki article suggests the description above is not a great summary of the book's contents.

Emperor Wu of Northern Zhou (T-H-L) also has a lot of problems; I am assuming the incident involving poisoned "sugar cookies" was a clever vandal and not actually what happened.

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Unread post by eppur si muove » Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:40 am

orangepi wrote:
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And I suspect Marc Olsen (T-H-L) is a gestalt biography of two separate individuals.

EDIT: huh, according to a book review it is the same person.
Well, looking at his football stats he had plenty of time to be doing other things while he was not being selected to play.

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Unread post by Dan of La Mancha » Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:23 pm

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David T. Abercrombie (T-H-L).

Enjoy.
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Unread post by The Blue Newt » Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:42 pm

Dan of La Mancha wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:23 pm
The Blue Newt wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:35 pm
David T. Abercrombie (T-H-L).

Enjoy.
See also: Ezra Fitch (T-H-L).
Both started by obvious COI types, written in a similar style, and written to present the modern Fauxbercrombie as a True Successor of an actually worthwhile firm.

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Unread post by AndyTheGrump » Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:47 am

Ming wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:03 pm
Winning streak (T-H-L)
What a pathetic article. Doesn't even mention Neil Rutter's five consecutive wins in the World Bog Snorkelling Championships.
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Unread post by orangepi » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:18 pm

Ming wrote:
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Winning streak (T-H-L)
This will be chapter two in my (hopefully-never-forthcoming) book on Wikipedia Is Dead.

"Crap" sums it up. Virtually none of this is of any importance, and most of it is unsourced. So, of course, the usual suspects are defending it at AFD.

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Unread post by rnu » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:37 pm

Ming wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:03 pm
Winning streak (T-H-L)
Should be a wiktionary entry (plus possibly some lists): check
Is a maintenance nightmare: check
Has lots of unsourced claims: check
Can never be complete: check
Is guaranteed to draw in fancruft: check
Has no real informational value: check
Is sports related: check
Is defended tooth and nail at AfD: check


On the plus side it made me look up Esther Vergeer (T-H-L). Holy crap!
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Unread post by Jip Orlando » Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:27 pm

If you're looking for a good time, check out List of songs about Oslo (T-H-L) and it's history. I'm not entirely sure what's going on there, but it smells like stuff is added by a webcrawler-- or fans obsessed with Oslo.

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