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Unread post by Hex » Wed May 01, 2013 10:18 am

Woden.Ragnarok wrote:So I presume the entire Plot section is someone's transgendered fantasy of how the film should have unfolded. The end section of the plot appears to be complete nonsense as other sites plot summaries end at the previous paragraph with the situation resolved instead.
Reverted to a more reasonable looking version from last year. Editor blocked.
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Unread post by Woden.Ragnarok » Wed May 01, 2013 12:02 pm

Hex wrote:
Woden.Ragnarok wrote:So I presume the entire Plot section is someone's transgendered fantasy of how the film should have unfolded. The end section of the plot appears to be complete nonsense as other sites plot summaries end at the previous paragraph with the situation resolved instead.
Reverted to a more reasonable looking version from last year. Editor blocked.
Thanks for that, honestly didn't know what was actually in the film and what had been made up by the succession of IPs and SPAs.
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Unread post by Hex » Wed May 01, 2013 12:14 pm

Woden.Ragnarok wrote: Thanks for that, honestly didn't know what was actually in the film and what had been made up by the succession of IPs and SPAs.
Me neither, I just went back to the point before the main culprit started editing the article. There were still other dubious bits I had to scrub out. I've opened a sockpuppet investigation as well, although I think some of the SPAs may have been editing too long ago to check.
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Unread post by thekohser » Wed May 01, 2013 2:56 pm

"...making nonsensical connections and culminating in feigned surprise, since 2006..."

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Unread post by lilburne » Sun May 05, 2013 9:12 pm

Magnate (T-H-L). The England stuff seems to have been added by a Plantagenet 'expert', who seems to have found a previously unknown contemporary illustration of the 3rd Duke of York but doesn't say from where.
They have been inserting little memes in everybody's mind
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Unread post by Zoloft » Mon May 06, 2013 1:49 am

Jeb Corliss (T-H-L)

The article was gutted.

Now it covers very little of his career, and the emphasis is on notable mishaps.

Tell me this guy doesn't deserve better:


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Unread post by EricBarbour » Mon May 06, 2013 3:07 am

Zoloft wrote:Jeb Corliss (T-H-L)
The article was gutted.
Just a reminder: it used to look like this.

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Unread post by Zoloft » Mon May 06, 2013 4:11 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Jeb Corliss (T-H-L)
The article was gutted.
Just a reminder: it used to look like this.
Oh, I know. It was a great example of an idiosyncratic and promotional article transformed into meaninglessness.

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Unread post by Woden.Ragnarok » Mon May 06, 2013 8:16 am

How about Acorn Electron (T-H-L)?
Like the whole article the Lede starts O.K. then descends into overly detailed fan-wank.
A quarter of the article is undue overly technical coverage of accessories you could buy for it (with only the occasional source to support it)
Then reasonable technical coverage (but poorly sourced)
Then another quarter of the article is un-sourced overly-technical rubbish about tricks and tip that games on the computer used to leverage the hardware.
Finally it ends with the unsourced facts about text hidden in the ROMS including
Additionally, the last bytes of both the BASIC ROM and 'Plus 3 Interface' ADFS v1.0 ROM include the word
Roger
Really? Who cares?
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Unread post by Poetlister » Mon May 06, 2013 2:07 pm

lilburne wrote:Magnate (T-H-L). The England stuff seems to have been added by a Plantagenet 'expert', who seems to have found a previously unknown contemporary illustration of the 3rd Duke of York but doesn't say from where.
The picture of Richard of York was fixed months ago.
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Unread post by lilburne » Mon May 06, 2013 2:54 pm

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lilburne wrote:Magnate (T-H-L). The England stuff seems to have been added by a Plantagenet 'expert', who seems to have found a previously unknown contemporary illustration of the 3rd Duke of York but doesn't say from where.
The picture of Richard of York was fixed months ago.
Indeed, but the image is also on Duke of York (T-H-L), House of York (T-H-L), and List of Knights and Ladies of the Garter (T-H-L). It is also marked as being PD becuase it is a contemporary portrait, but there is no such evidence. Stylistically, it looks to be 19th century, but there is no guarantee that it wasn't drawn up in the late 20th century.

Anyway,the point being that a large section of the Magnate article was added by someone with demonstrable issues regarding credulity.
In England, the term magnate has often been applied to the extremely powerful nobles that Edward III created when he split his kingdom amongst his sons rather than choosing one son to inherit the entire kingdom.
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Unread post by Sweet Revenge » Wed May 08, 2013 12:30 am

Maybe you guys know about this one already: Nude celebrities on the Internet (T-H-L). Not only that, but it was a featured article in 2004. Then downhill slide to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nude celebrities on the Internet (T-H-L) and another AfD later. Christ, though, what are they thinking?
Imagery of nude celebrities are depictions of celebrities while in the nude in any form of media. There is widespread demand for such images and is a lucrative business exploited by vendors of pornography, as well as by websites and magazines. Types include authorized images, such as film screenshots, copies from previously published images, such as shots from magazines or stills or clips from movies, to unauthorised images such as celebrity sex tapes, and paparazzi photos capturing unintentional or private scenes, and faked or doctored images.
(OK, I cheated a little by linking to the old name through the redirect, but still...)

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Unread post by Poetlister » Wed May 08, 2013 11:35 am

Sweet Revenge wrote:Nude celebrities on the Internet (T-H-L)
Amazingly, there are no photos in the article!
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Unread post by dogbiscuit » Wed May 08, 2013 1:43 pm

Outsider wrote:
Sweet Revenge wrote:Nude celebrities on the Internet (T-H-L)
Amazingly, there are no photos in the article!
WP:SOFIXIT!
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Unread post by dogbiscuit » Wed May 08, 2013 2:30 pm

dogbiscuit wrote:
Outsider wrote:
Sweet Revenge wrote:Nude celebrities on the Internet (T-H-L)
Amazingly, there are no photos in the article!
WP:SOFIXIT!
Noted something else there: take a look at the references - a nice way to put some defamatory sounding statements into an article.
Lady Macca's porno past
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Unread post by Sweet Revenge » Wed May 08, 2013 2:36 pm

thekohser wrote:
tarantino wrote:Clothed male, naked female (T-H-L)
Alf is a real party-pooper.
And look; now an IP is going to stop donating money because "bureaucrats" gutted the article. That's gonna hit em where it hurts.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Wed May 08, 2013 10:26 pm

Look at Karakum Desert.

It's a vast place, and was very important in the history of Central Asia. It's the home of the notorious Darvaza "Gate to Hell" that nitwit
web denizens are forever posting on Reddit, 4chan, and other places. It contains "significant oil and gas deposits".

Yet the Wikipedia article is pathetic. And it has only two "Notes", one of which is the Britannica Online article. I thought it was
"bad form" to use Britannica Online for references?

This is the end result of almost twelve years of "crowdsourced editing". First created November 2001. Looks like there's
been almost as much vandalism as "content addition" in those twelve years.

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Unread post by Zoloft » Wed May 08, 2013 10:52 pm

EricBarbour wrote:Look at Karakum Desert.

It's a vast place, and was very important in the history of Central Asia. It's the home of the notorious Darvaza "Gate to Hell" that nitwit
web denizens are forever posting on Reddit, 4chan, and other places. It contains "significant oil and gas deposits".

Yet the Wikipedia article is pathetic. And it has only two "Notes", one of which is the Britannica Online article. I thought it was
"bad form" to use Britannica Online for references?

This is the end result of almost twelve years of "crowdsourced editing". First created November 2001. Looks like there's
been almost as much vandalism as "content addition" in those twelve years.
From the lede:
The population is sparse, with an average of one person per 6.5 km² (one person per 2.5 square miles). Rainfall is equally sparse, ranging from 70 to 150 mm.[1]
Arrrggh... Nice Segway.

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Unread post by TungstenCarbide » Wed May 08, 2013 11:58 pm

EricBarbour wrote:Look at Karakum Desert.
no map, of course. much less one with a scale.
Gone hiking. also, beware of women with crazy head gear and a dagger.

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Zoloft wrote: Arrrggh... Nice Segway.
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Unread post by Woden.Ragnarok » Thu May 09, 2013 8:49 am

dogbiscuit wrote:
Outsider wrote:
Sweet Revenge wrote:Nude celebrities on the Internet (T-H-L)
Amazingly, there are no photos in the article!
WP:SOFIXIT!
Conveniently it doesn't mention the individuals being current celebrities or even still alive, so a nice pic like File:Audrey_Munson_-_Heedless_Moths.jpg (T-H-L) of a celebrity from the 00's or 10's should do, yes?

Although I'm surprised Commons haven't located a Porn film published prior to '88 with no copyright notice and an appearance from an actress who went on to become a celebrity. There is the Marilyn Monroe one from 1949 with no renewal though....
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Unread post by Jiro » Fri May 10, 2013 5:22 am

Ismail wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_Stepchildren

Normal encyclopedia: "This episode had an interracial kiss, the first Americans cared about, and thus represented a notable step in eroding racist taboos on TV."
I think Wikipedia is correct here. It wasn't anywhere near the first unless you follow that with a whole list of qualifiers that excludes the other ones, and there's really not much evidence that anyone who is not a Trekkie cares about it for any reason other than being told by Trekkies how important it is. Star Trek fandom looks big from the inside, but it's not so big from the outside, and "considered important mainly by Trekkies" is pretty much the same as "not considered important".

Of course, once the Trekkies went at it for long enough, it became self-sustaining--everyone thinks it's important because they hear everyone else say how important it is.

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Jiro wrote:
Ismail wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_Stepchildren

Normal encyclopedia: "This episode had an interracial kiss, the first Americans cared about, and thus represented a notable step in eroding racist taboos on TV."
I think Wikipedia is correct here. It wasn't anywhere near the first unless you follow that with a whole list of qualifiers that excludes the other ones, and there's really not much evidence that anyone who is not a Trekkie cares about it for any reason other than being told by Trekkies how important it is. Star Trek fandom looks big from the inside, but it's not so big from the outside, and "considered important mainly by Trekkies" is pretty much the same as "not considered important"
Ming suggests you go and see what Wikipedia is actually saying now...

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Ming wrote:Ming suggests you go and see what Wikipedia is actually saying now...
As to what Wikipedia is saying now, see the top cartoon in this link.
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Outsider wrote:
Ming wrote:Ming suggests you go and see what Wikipedia is actually saying now...
As to what Wikipedia is saying now, see the top cartoon in this link.
Well, it is equally irrelevant what it said then, from that perspective.

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Unread post by Poetlister » Sun May 12, 2013 2:13 pm

Cecil Rhodes (T-H-L): what's this doing in the lead?
In 1964, Northern Rhodesia became the independent state of Zambia and Southern Rhodesia was thereafter known simply as Rhodesia. In 1980, Rhodesia, which had been de facto independent since 1965, became a recognised independent country, renamed Zimbabwe.
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Unread post by EricBarbour » Mon May 13, 2013 6:18 am

yes, Diphemanil metilsulfate (T-H-L) is an obscure drug. But I think it could use some attention, if it's on Wikipedia.

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Unread post by Jiro » Sat May 18, 2013 3:44 am

Ming wrote:
Ming suggests you go and see what Wikipedia is actually saying now...
Okay, I did. It's completely messed up at the moment. The article tries to give the impression that that was the first interracial kiss on TV, which isn't true, and that it was Really Important, which is something mainly believed by Star Trek fans. (Notice the wording... "often cited as". It doesn't claim the citation is correct.)

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Sat May 18, 2013 5:06 am

I can practically predict that Grimm (TV series) (T-H-L) is going to be a Buffy-style nerd magnet, judging solely by the
affiliated article Creatures of Grimm (T-H-L). Watch it get longer, and longer.

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Box (torture) (T-H-L)

Mostly an "in popular culture" article. Nothing really about the history of the thing itself.
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List_of_unusual_deaths

1) apparently the number of unusual deaths is increasing as we are getting closer and closer to our age
2) plenty of deaths in the decades after 1920 but in 1910 and 1900 people died normally
3) is the list pretending to be exhaustive? Some are historical, but some are ordinary people or mythological characters. I suggest to the authors to read tabloids like Sun-they will have updates every weak
4) what is criteria for being bizarre? Some are just work accidents.

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Arbitrary selections in a Wikipedia list? Say it ain't so!

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Unread post by Poetlister » Mon May 20, 2013 12:08 pm

gauss wrote:List_of_unusual_deaths

1) apparently the number of unusual deaths is increasing as we are getting closer and closer to our age
I think that's perfectly reasonable; recent events are better documented. It is however silly to put in mythological figures. I'd also suggest that only people notable enough to have their own articles should be included, though there are obvious problems with that rule.
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Unread post by eppur si muove » Mon May 20, 2013 4:08 pm

Misses my favourite which is the composer Jean-Baptiste Lully who died as a result of a conducting accident.

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Unread post by Woden.Ragnarok » Mon May 20, 2013 8:06 pm

Outsider wrote: I think that's perfectly reasonable; recent events are better documented. It is however silly to put in mythological figures. I'd also suggest that only people notable enough to have their own articles should be included, though there are obvious problems with that rule.
There's no BLP1E for inclusion so if the death itself is notable but the deceased isn't it's reasonable to include it as well.

That said the article is a multi-car pileup with no clear inclusion criteria - get rid of accidents that had a reasonable risk factor of occurring, get rid of deaths that are common (or reasonable risk) but might have set some record (it's not the Guinness article of Death Records), get rid of natural deaths (either disaster or medical) , get rid of deaths that are unusual only because facts are unknown or because they've formed their own mythology.

Once you've done that rework what's left - I can see some sources on the subject as a whole exist to fill it out might get it to a good status.
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Unread post by Peter Damian » Tue May 21, 2013 8:43 am

BlackLight_Power (T-H-L). I wrote that up for the book. The footnotes look like acne scars.
Actually that one could have been made quite interesting with a bit more context (and by implication a bit less 'list').
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EricBarbour wrote:Risky Business (House) (T-H-L)

Read the plot summary. Image
There should be a Wikipedia policy to limit plot summaries to no more than three paragraphs. There is no need to recount a whole episode in detail. That one above is wacky. :blink:

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Tue May 21, 2013 8:54 am

Peter Damian wrote:BlackLight_Power (T-H-L). I wrote that up for the book. The footnotes look like acne scars.
And the history looks like a sock factory explosion. Last July this was 59k bytes long. Good choice for the book.

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EricBarbour wrote:
Peter Damian wrote:BlackLight_Power (T-H-L). I wrote that up for the book. The footnotes look like acne scars.
And the history looks like a sock factory explosion. Last July this was 59k bytes long. Good choice for the book.
I'm revising the edit wars article now, and I'll add the 'sockfactory explosion' bit. It's odd when you write about Wikipedia in a detached and unemotive and colourless way and include quotes and stories like these. It makes Wikipedia seem quite surreal.

A bit like Louis Theroux, if anyone has seen his documentaries.
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Unread post by Peter Damian » Tue May 21, 2013 9:44 am

In the context of the other thread about admin status I was Googling 'servant leadership', and the first return was Servant_leadership (T-H-L), which is really horrible.
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Unread post by Woden.Ragnarok » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:17 am

Came Across The Time Tunnel (T-H-L)
featuring highlights like:
Tic-Toc base was a futuristic series of complexes 800 floors deep and employing over 36,000 people ("12 thousand people in each of those complexes").
One might also assume that Althea Hall, whom Tony meets when he arrives on the Titanic, may have implied that Theodore Roosevelt was still U.S. President when William Howard Taft was President in April, 1912; however, asking Tony whether he was mimicking Roosevelt does not necessarily imply that Althea was saying Roosevelt was President in April, 1912.
Mostly unsourced and what is sourced is often to primary sources making most of the article Original Research. If possible it was even worse last year with cKatz removing sections of fancruft in December.
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Re: Crap articles

Unread post by Poetlister » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:22 pm

Woden.Ragnarok wrote:Mostly unsourced and what is sourced is often to primary sources making most of the article Original Research.
I don't think it meets the definition of original research. Citing primary sources is deprecated but to be original research, it has to draw conclusions that are not quite obvious from the source. That's not to say it's a good article, of course.
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Re: Crap articles

Unread post by Woden.Ragnarok » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:39 pm

Outsider wrote:
Woden.Ragnarok wrote:Mostly unsourced and what is sourced is often to primary sources making most of the article Original Research.
I don't think it meets the definition of original research. Citing primary sources is deprecated but to be original research, it has to draw conclusions that are not quite obvious from the source. That's not to say it's a good article, of course.
That's why I quote original analysis about the primary source.
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On the basis of a throwaway line about Roosevelt, the article writers weight up the possibile connotations which aren't actually stated in the source.
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Unread post by Volunteer Marek » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:31 am

Eugenics in California (T-H-L)

Don't even know where to start. Ok, actually I do. The lede: "Eugenics in California is a notable part of eugenics in the United States". And then the next sentence: "As an early leading force in the field of Eugenic, California became the third state in the United states to enact a sterilization law." And then the one after that, etc.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:08 am

Volunteer Marek wrote:Eugenics in California (T-H-L)
Don't even know where to start. Ok, actually I do. The lede: "Eugenics in California is a notable part of eugenics in the United States". And then the next sentence: "As an early leading force in the field of Eugenic, California became the third state in the United states to enact a sterilization law." And then the one after that, etc.
Entirely written by Nicholas morrow (T-C-L). Yet another Berkeleyite. Someone go and flunk him.

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Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:34 pm

EricBarbour wrote:
Volunteer Marek wrote:Eugenics in California (T-H-L)
Don't even know where to start. Ok, actually I do. The lede: "Eugenics in California is a notable part of eugenics in the United States". And then the next sentence: "As an early leading force in the field of Eugenic, California became the third state in the United states to enact a sterilization law." And then the one after that, etc.
Entirely written by Nicholas morrow (T-C-L). Yet another Berkeleyite. Someone go and flunk him.
Any relation to Andrew Morrow?

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Unread post by HRIP7 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:59 am

2010 Guatemala City sinkhole (T-H-L)

Wikipedia:
The sinkhole is approximately 18 ft (5.5 m) and 100 ft (30 m) deep.[4]
Cited source (Christian Science Monitor):
CONRED estimates it is 100 feet deep and 65 feet across.
Wikipedia:
Mariela Castañón, a reporter for the daily newspaper La Hora, reported that that the ground collapsed suddenly, taking a three-story house that was used as factory and a security guard with it. Authorities said they could not confirm the security guard's death.
Cited source (Christian Science Monitor):
“I’ve been to the site and I think it must be bigger than that,” says Mariela Castañón, a reporter for the daily newspaper La Hora. Neighbors told Ms. Castañón that the ground collapsed suddenly, taking a three-story house that was used as factory, and a security guard with it. Authorities said they could not confirm the security guard’s death.
Ran as a DYK in April. At the time, the size of the hole was still correct, but the plagiarism was present at the time.

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