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Unread post by Rogol Domedonfors » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:01 am

     
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Poetlister wrote:I think that Johnny means that it's not the sort of article that should be on the English Wikipedia.
That is what I meant.
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Unread post by Rogol Domedonfors » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:03 pm

AD 34 (T-H-L) "Naevius Sutorius Macro is said to gain favour in the empire by prostituting his wife Eunius to Caligula". Eunius is a masculine name: Macro's wife was Ennia Thrasylla (T-H-L).

Lesson: know enough of the context of your topic not to write things that are patently mistaken.

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Unread post by tarantino » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:26 pm

Johnny Au wrote:Just take a look at various articles about certain real world leaders and it mentions this: [leader] appeared in Civilization [insert Roman numeral].
After hitting random article a few times today, I came across this completely unreferenced bio, which states "[Cesare Bendinelli] also authored Rotta Ò Sonata, (Probably his most famous piece) which was used as the theme for Enrico Dandolo, leader of Venice in Sid Meier's Civilization V."

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Unread post by Poetlister » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:38 pm

[Cesare Bendinelli] also authored Rotta Ò Sonata, (Probably his most famous piece)
Quite a nice piece.
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Unread post by Cla68 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:23 pm

I just noticed this. This was the way this article read when I wrote it back in 2014, using those two books listed at the bottom as the sources.

This is how the article reads now. Someone completely changed the tone and POV of the text. It appears they used Bruce book as a source rather than the two books I used.

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Unread post by Poetlister » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:29 pm

Cla68 wrote:I just noticed this. This was the way this article read when I wrote it back in 2014, using those two books listed at the bottom as the sources.

This is how the article reads now. Someone completely changed the tone and POV of the text. It appears they used Bruce book as a source rather than the two books I used.
That's a good example of one of the problems of Wikipedia. Somewhere, I called it "article rot". I suppose that it's not worth trying to fix.
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Unread post by Cla68 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:36 pm

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Cla68 wrote:I just noticed this. This was the way this article read when I wrote it back in 2014, using those two books listed at the bottom as the sources.

This is how the article reads now. Someone completely changed the tone and POV of the text. It appears they used Bruce book as a source rather than the two books I used.
That's a good example of one of the problems of Wikipedia. Somewhere, I called it "article rot". I suppose that it's not worth trying to fix.
The view that the riot was primarily a general, spontaneous uprising by the crew is not supported by any other source except that one. So, the article should focus on the majority of sources which say that the riot was mainly caused by racial-animus. The theory that it was an anti-war protest should be presented as a secondary opinion, but I think it's fine to be included. However, there doesn't appear to be anyone on Wikipedia who cares enough to fix it, and I cannot because I am currently blocked. So, it stays as is.

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Unread post by Rogol Domedonfors » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:55 pm

Just out of interest, why was this not a mutiny?

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Unread post by Poetlister » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:19 pm

It wasn't an act of disobedience to senior officers. According to Cla68's article, "The carrier's commander—Captain Marland Townsend—and executive officer—Commander Benjamin Cloud (who was black)—dissuaded the rioters from further violence and prevented white sailors from retaliating".
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Unread post by Botto » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:35 am

List of largest shipyards in history (T-H-L) - I don't think this article knows what it wants to be.

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Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:57 am

DarthBotto wrote:List of largest shipyards in history (T-H-L) - I don't think this article knows what it wants to be.
The formatting is lousy too.
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DarthBotto wrote:List of largest shipyards in history (T-H-L) - I don't think this article knows what it wants to be.
I appreciate that it provides a convenient link to a fascinating and expansive article about a colonial shipyard like Real Arsenal (T-H-L). The sum of human knowledge is getting closer and closer to being complete!
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Unread post by Kingsindian » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:55 pm

I don't know where to put this, but TIL that the article Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes (T-H-L) has been full protected for the past six years!

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Unread post by Johnny Au » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:38 am

Kingsindian wrote:I don't know where to put this, but TIL that the article Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes (T-H-L) has been full protected for the past six years!
It needs to be downgraded to extended confirmed protection at the highest.

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Johnny Au wrote:
Kingsindian wrote:I don't know where to put this, but TIL that the article Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes (T-H-L) has been full protected for the past six years!
It needs to be downgraded to extended confirmed protection at the highest.
Yes, the worst that can happen is a spate of vandalism. In that case, it's easy enough to protect it again.
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Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:25 pm

List of synagogues in the United Kingdom (T-H-L) is massively incomplete. It omits for example Edgware United, the largest synagogue building in Britain (though it has Edgware Reform), and West Hove, the main synagogue in the Brighton and Hove area.
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Unread post by Cla68 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:24 pm

This, is an atrocity. Added on 23 August 2017, and still there. If you Internet-search her name and the school name, not only does the Wikipedia article appear, but her LinkedIn profile as well. Not good, Wikipedia.

Also, right below it somebody is using the article to advertise a non-notable band. Looking through the article's edit history, it appears that the article used to mainly be a copy from the school's website.

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Cla68 wrote:This, is an atrocity. Added on 23 August 2017, and still there. If you Internet-search her name and the school name, not only does the Wikipedia article appear, but her LinkedIn profile as well. Not good, Wikipedia.

Also, right below it somebody is using the article to advertise a non-notable band. Looking through the article's edit history, it appears that the article used to mainly be a copy from the school's website.
Yngvadottir will be along shortly to take care of the month-long defamation. Meanwhile, Jimbo is speaking at the United Nations, and his cub reporter will be covering it, so all is right in the WikiWorld. Don't moan and groan so much, Charles.

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Unread post by Poetlister » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:29 pm

Cla68 wrote:This, is an atrocity. Added on 23 August 2017, and still there. If you Internet-search her name and the school name, not only does the Wikipedia article appear, but her LinkedIn profile as well. Not good, Wikipedia.

Also, right below it somebody is using the article to advertise a non-notable band. Looking through the article's edit history, it appears that the article used to mainly be a copy from the school's website.
I wouldn't have thought that someone whose only claim to fame is being a registered nurse should be in a list of notable alumni.
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Unread post by thekohser » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:49 pm

Poetlister wrote:I wouldn't have thought that someone whose only claim to fame is being a registered nurse should be in a list of notable alumni.
Well, according to Wikipedia for the past 4 weeks or so, that was only one of her two claims to fame.

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Unread post by Poetlister » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:46 pm

I mean tthat this lady should never have been in the article in the first place, quite apart from the libellous addition.

And inevitably Yngvadottir has fixed it. However, a trivial piece of vandalism has now been added: Counsel -> Kounsel.
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Unread post by Poetlister » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:30 pm

Montagu Norman (T-H-L) was Governor of the Bank of England for 24 years. That's the longest anyone's ever held that post, a point not mentioned in the article. (Indeed, most of his predecessors only managed two years and the previous record was five.)

Far more seriously, the article fails to mention that Norman's opposition to the Labour government's plan to abandon the gold standard led to the collapse of that government, and yet shortly afterwards, he was happy for the National Government to abandon it. The Labour Party never forgave him, and this resulted in the nationalisation of the Bank in the late 1940s.

Also, it says "On 2 November 1933, Lord Norman married ..." This is an anachronism, as he didn't become a lord until 1944.
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Unread post by Johnny Au » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:50 am

The various editions of the Invictus Games are rather poorly written:

2014 Invictus Games (T-H-L)
2016 Invictus Games (T-H-L)
2017 Invictus Games (T-H-L)
2018 Invictus Games (T-H-L)

In some of them, some of the writing is very unencyclopedic and is promotional at best.

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Unread post by Ming » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:58 am

Magazine (T-H-L) is a classic of WP bad writing: almost unstructured, with random attacks of questionable pedantry and trivia, and gaping omissions. Ming particularly likes this assertion, which comes at the end of a paragraph naming Britain's oldest magazines:
Despite being among the first mass media outlets to venture from the bible, periodicals still remained rooted in the naturalized class and gender system held by European and American society.
Do tell. The article doesn't.

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Unread post by Johnny Au » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:07 pm

See here: Abbotsford Senior Secondary School (T-H-L)

There's no citations with regards to the school stabbing.



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Johnny Au wrote:See here: Abbotsford Senior Secondary School (T-H-L)

There's no citations with regards to the school stabbing.
Guess what just happened to the article!
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Johnny Au wrote:See here: Abbotsford Senior Secondary School (T-H-L)

There's no citations with regards to the school stabbing.
Guess what just happened to the article!
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Battle cry (T-H-L)

It's extremely odd that there's no examples of battle cries from China, indigenous peoples of the Americas, or Africans (especially those from south of the Sahara).

Oh, and the article needs more sources as well.

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Johnny Au wrote:Battle cry (T-H-L)

It's extremely odd that there's no examples of battle cries from China, indigenous peoples of the Americas, or Africans (especially those from south of the Sahara).

Oh, and the article needs more sources as well.
Indeed, it's had the {{Refimprove|date=March 2009}} template for a good few years now.
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Major League Baseball luxury tax (T-H-L)

I have begun cleaning up this mess and have called in the regulars within the Baseball WikiProject to help. Yes, it's another one of those School Assignment articles.

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Johnny Au wrote:Major League Baseball luxury tax (T-H-L)

I have begun cleaning up this mess and have called in the regulars within the Baseball WikiProject to help. Yes, it's another one of those School Assignment articles.
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Unread post by thekohser » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:02 pm

The 10th most influential person in broadcasting & cable (according to Multichannel News), and this is the best you can do, Wikipedia? Pretty sad.

Tom Rutledge (T-H-L) (CEO of Charter Communications, the 2nd largest cable company in America) is a redlink. I'm too lazy to put it in the low-hanging fruit thread.
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thekohser wrote:Tom Rutledge (T-H-L) (CEO of Charter Communications, the 2nd largest cable company in America) is a redlink. I'm too lazy to put it in the low-hanging fruit thread.
The trouble with articles on CEOs is that it can be tricky to find newspaper stories specifically about them rather than their companies. As I've said before, "notable" doesn't always mean "noted". I'm too lazy to research this chap in particular.
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thekohser wrote:Tom Rutledge (T-H-L) (CEO of Charter Communications, the 2nd largest cable company in America) is a redlink. I'm too lazy to put it in the low-hanging fruit thread.
The trouble with articles on CEOs is that it can be tricky to find newspaper stories specifically about them rather than their companies. As I've said before, "notable" doesn't always mean "noted". I'm too lazy to research this chap in particular.
I understand, but really... it wouldn't be that difficult with sources like this.
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Nougat (T-H-L) is quite oddly bad, as if someone was deliberately trying to make a hash out of the article. The first oddity is the huge list of irrelevant pronunciations at the start of the article. The second oddity is that it fails to really explain at all what nougat might actually be, instead meandering into a self-contradictory discussion of its origins.

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trout wrote:Nougat (T-H-L) is quite oddly bad, as if someone was deliberately trying to make a hash out of the article. The first oddity is the huge list of irrelevant pronunciations at the start of the article. The second oddity is that it fails to really explain at all what nougat might actually be, instead meandering into a self-contradictory discussion of its origins.

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Nougat (US: /ˈnuːɡət/ NOO-gət, UK: /ˈnuːɡɑː/ NOO-gah, or UK: /ˈnʌɡət/ NUG-ət;[1][2][3][4] French pronunciation: ​[nu.ɡa], Azerbaijani: /lukʌ/ لوکا, Persian: /nuːɡʌ/ نوقا ) is a family of confections made with sugar or honey, roasted nuts (almonds, walnuts, pistachios, hazelnuts, and macadamia nuts are common), whipped egg whites, and sometimes chopped candied fruit. The consistency of nougat is chewy, and it is used in a variety of candy bars and chocolates. The word nougat comes from Occitan pan nogat (pronounced [ˈpa nuˈɣat]), seemingly from Latin panis nucatus 'nut bread' (the late colloquial Latin adjective nucatum means 'nutted' or 'nutty').
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Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:53 pm

You can't have instructions for making nougat in the article. Wikipedia is not a "how to" guide. Of course, with some ingenious paraphrasing the relevant information could be included.
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Unread post by trout » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:50 pm

Zoloft wrote: ▲ That? That is screwball.
The part where it gives two completely different regions (southern Europe and the middle east) as the origin is my favourite. Unfortunately the person who used to go and edit these articles seems to have given up.

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Unread post by Ming » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:23 am

UUNET (T-H-L) has two different timelines in it, the first of which interrupts a narrative which ends with a section about the service's supposed participation in the spam explosion, all of which may be true but which is written more like rumor-mongering slander than anything resembling a sober encyclopedia.

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Average cost pricing (T-H-L), an economic analysis technique often used to handle monopolies.

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Category:All_uncategorized_pages (T-H-L) -- working through this. A lot of crap here.

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mynameisnotdave wrote:Category:All_uncategorized_pages (T-H-L) -- working through this. A lot of crap here.
How can that category have anything in it? :blink:
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mynameisnotdave wrote:Category:All_uncategorized_pages (T-H-L) -- working through this. A lot of crap here.
How can that category have anything in it? :blink:
Why, it's simple: each article is part of the set of sets that don't contain themselves.

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Unread post by mynameisnotdave » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:19 pm

A raw list from the database, updated every few days, is shown on Special:UncategorizedPages (T-H-L). A very kind user, Postcard Cathy (T-C-L), looks at this database and adds {{uncategorized}} to these pages. Then we know which articles don't have furry creatures :D and I can add cats to them.

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Unread post by Zoloft » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:54 pm

mynameisnotdave wrote:A raw list from the database, updated every few days, is shown on Special:UncategorizedPages (T-H-L). A very kind user, Postcard Cathy (T-C-L), looks at this database and adds {{uncategorized}} to these pages. Then we know which articles don't have furry creatures :D and I can add cats to them.
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Re: Crap articles

Unread post by Poetlister » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:19 am

The article on Two Little Girls in Blue (T-H-L), a 1921 Broadway show, fails to note that the title song is an old British music hall number written in 1893, nearly 30 years earlier. It also does not say that this was the first show where Ira Gershwin wrote the lyrics.
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Re: Crap articles

Unread post by mynameisnotdave » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:58 pm

Poetlister wrote:The article on Two Little Girls in Blue (T-H-L), a 1921 Broadway show, fails to note that the title song is an old British music hall number written in 1893, nearly 30 years earlier. It also does not say that this was the first show where Ira Gershwin wrote the lyrics.
The creator and principal author of the page, StryoFome (T-C-L), was blocked as a sockpuppet.

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Re: Crap articles

Unread post by Johnny Au » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:50 pm

Children's Wish Foundation of Canada (T-H-L)

It looks like an ad, complete with the use of "we." It also has the phrase "last year" without specifying what year. Oh, and the organization is over 32 years old.

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Unread post by AndyTheGrump » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:33 pm

Johnny Au wrote:Children's Wish Foundation of Canada (T-H-L)

It looks like an ad, complete with the use of "we." It also has the phrase "last year" without specifying what year. Oh, and the organization is over 32 years old.
That is probably because someone 'rewrote' it earlier this year by copy-pasting from the charity's website. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =761938780

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Re: Crap articles

Unread post by Poetlister » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:48 pm

mynameisnotdave wrote:
Poetlister wrote:The article on Two Little Girls in Blue (T-H-L), a 1921 Broadway show, fails to note that the title song is an old British music hall number written in 1893, nearly 30 years earlier. It also does not say that this was the first show where Ira Gershwin wrote the lyrics.
The creator and principal author of the page, StryoFome (T-C-L), was blocked as a sockpuppet.
That's no excuse for the article not being amended significantly in the subsequent 6½ years. After all, Wikipedia is constantly improving.
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