Wikia hosting a wiki devoted to a child sex offender

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://nemeses.wikia.com/index.php?title=Nemeses_Wiki&diff=3977&oldid=3956

Nemeses was an author of over 40 books who lived in Colorado. He had a wide variety of marketed skills, and worked closely with JoMarie Bentzler, who illustrated his work.

His real name is O'Reilly James Flowers. On 12/12/12, 22-year-old O'Reilly Flowers was arrested for sexual exploitation of children, a class 3 felony. In April 2012, the authorities identified Flowers as a possible suspect, based on an anonymous tip. In Dec. 2012, investigators executed a search warrant at Flowers' residence where authorities say they found evidence relating to the possession and distribution of child pornography.

Nemeses' ex Dante said he was very proud of himself.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/317112/222/12-men-arrested-in-internet-child-porn-sweep-in-Colorado-Springs

According to an Email from Tisane, the anon who wrote that was Tisane's late ex-wife.

[E]ventually [she] ended up turning him in to the cops for child porn when she decided to turn against him. Google "O'Reilly Flowers". She bragged about it too on his wiki, Nemeses Wiki. I think during that time she went by "Dante".

Nemesis on himself:

http://nemeses.wikia.com/wiki/Nemeses?oldid=3953

https://web.archive.org/web/20110618020703/http://www.lordnemeses.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20110617032354/http://www.lordnemeses.com/aboutus.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20110618020757/http://www.lordnemeses.com/apps/testimonials/

Colorado's sex offender registry:

https://www.colorado.gov/apps/cdps/sor/search/search-detail.jsf?id=XX10485462

[The Joy]

I would have thought Wikia would have learned something after the Spanking Art Wikia fiasco years ago. Then again, we should give them the chance to rectify the situation before lighting our torches and getting our pitchforks.

Sex offenders are generally banned from social media in most cases, so he's probably violating Colorado law.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Why the hell does it matter that the guy was arrested for child porn? That has nothing to do with there being a wiki about him and his work. If you are going to criticize Wikia for something, how about the creator of the Wiki and its content being the man himself?

[Poetlister]

Why the hell does it matter that the guy was arrested for child porn? That has nothing to do with there being a wiki about him and his work. If you are going to criticize Wikia for something, how about the creator of the Wiki and its content being the man himself?

I'm missing something here. Has this man ever been convicted of an offence? If so, it is appalling that Wikia is allowing him to post stuff about himself. If he hasn't been, then the law is that he is entitled to a presumption of innocence.

Is there anything on this Wikia that is distasteful or even possibly illegal? Then again, it is appalling that Wikia is hosting it.

[Jim]

Why the hell does it matter that the guy was arrested for child porn?

TDA.

In a nutshell.

Make that quote your sig. It would so suit you.


Anyone who wonders why this clown pushes my buttons, read this...

[Textnyymi]

Well, why aren't you giving an answer to that question, Jim, so that people who want to know more get an answer?

But anyway, posters on this forum should actually be only too happy to see people holding socially controversial (and even unacceptable) views pack up and take edit treks on Wikia! That way, such editors are knowingly or unknowingly offering more ammunition to use against James Donal Wales' for-profit enterprise!

[Jim]

Well, why aren't you giving an answer to that question, Jim, so that people who want to know more get an answer?

Say, what now?

I'm illuminating a knee-jerk reaction, typical to a well known, long-term apologist, to a situation, as utterly predictable for said apologist.

I don't know the answer, but I do know the attitude.

Read what I linked above. Then apologise.

[Peryglus]

such editors are knowingly or unknowingly offering more ammunition to use against James Donal Wales' for-profit enterprise!

He's not called James, actually. Born "Jimmy".

[Jim]

such editors are knowingly or unknowingly offering more ammunition to use against James Donal Wales' for-profit enterprise!

He's not called James, actually. Born "Jimmy".

And you have what to do with this conversation? Butt out. Now.
I told you in PM to stop it. Now I'm telling you for real.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I'm missing something here. Has this man ever been convicted of an offence? If so, it is appalling that Wikia is allowing him to post stuff about himself. If he hasn't been, then the law is that he is entitled to a presumption of innocence.

Is there anything on this Wikia that is distasteful or even possibly illegal? Then again, it is appalling that Wikia is hosting it.

He was arrested in December 12, 2012, and right before that the creator of the wiki stopped editing. I just think it is rather ridiculous to title the thread this way when the wiki is about his books. Were a New York Times best-selling author arrested for child porn, would we have a similarly-titled thread and would it be implied that a wiki devoted to this person's works should be deleted?

[Jim]

I'm missing something here. Has this man ever been convicted of an offence? If so, it is appalling that Wikia is allowing him to post stuff about himself. If he hasn't been, then the law is that he is entitled to a presumption of innocence.

Is there anything on this Wikia that is distasteful or even possibly illegal? Then again, it is appalling that Wikia is hosting it.

He was arrested in December 12, 2012, and right before that the creator of the wiki stopped editing. I just think it is rather ridiculous to title the thread this way when the wiki is about his books. Were a New York Times best-selling author arrested for child porn, would we have a similarly-titled thread and would it be implied that a wiki devoted to this person's works should be deleted?

Fuck off.

Explain my link above.

Arsewipe.

[Peryglus]

such editors are knowingly or unknowingly offering more ammunition to use against James Donal Wales' for-profit enterprise!

He's not called James, actually. Born "Jimmy".

And you have what to do with this conversation? Butt out. Now.
I told you in PM to stop it. Now I'm telling you for real.

I don't see why I can't insert interesting snippets here and there. You can't control me.

[Jim]

such editors are knowingly or unknowingly offering more ammunition to use against James Donal Wales' for-profit enterprise!

He's not called James, actually. Born "Jimmy".

And you have what to do with this conversation? Butt out. Now.
I told you in PM to stop it. Now I'm telling you for real.

I don't see why I can't insert interesting snippets here and there. You can't control me.

Fair comment, It's personal. TDA is a twat. Sorry if that involved you.
The "Jimmy" thing was bizarre, though.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Fuck off.

Explain my link above.

Arsewipe.

Yeah, sure, you wanted an image that you vectorized for transfer to Commons deleted because you discovered it was used by pedophiles to identify themselves. I said it would be desirable to retain such an image so long as it was plainly noted as being a pedophilia symbol so that people could recognize it should they see it elsewhere and understand what is being conveyed by whoever is using it. When you said you did not want to be associated with it or for your contribution to it retained, I uploaded a version of it untouched by you under my own name to accommodate your concern and made it explicit that the symbol was a way pedophiles identify themselves.

Personally, I find your hostility towards me over that rather peculiar. Seems like you are very much of a "anything associated with pedophilia should be deleted with fire" mindset, which, while I understand, is not exactly the right way to go about these things. One can't honestly deny that it would help for people to know what that symbol means should they find someone using it. That is sort of similar to the implication of this thread that somehow because the author was arrested for child porn, the wiki about his works should not exist. Any number of reasons can be provided for why the wiki shouldn't exist. "Bad person wrote it" is one of the worst reasons.

[Jim]

He was arrested in December 12, 2012, and right before that the creator of the wiki stopped editing. I just think it is rather ridiculous to title the thread this way when the wiki is about his books. Were a New York Times best-selling author arrested for child porn, would we have a similarly-titled thread and would it be implied that a wiki devoted to this person's works should be deleted?

Go on, try me, twat, I'm just in the mood.

[Jim]

Oh, and Tda in case I forgot. You disgust me

[Anroth]

Its not like paedophiles suddenly become non-human beings. They are *sick*, not animals.

Unless the wikia he created about himself is about his authorship of a popular range of books for children, I dont see what the issue is.

And as they point out above, at the point he was contributing to wikia his recreational habits were unknown. Its not like he contacted them and said 'Oh hey, im a paedo, mind if I run a wiki?'

At best you could make the argument Wikia has poor oversight of material it hosts. But then it doesnt have to. You can make the same argument about wikipedia.

(Although I havnt delved too deeply into nemeses wiki, maybe it has a section on 'how to befriend small children')

[Textnyymi]

At best you could make the argument Wikia has poor oversight of material it hosts. But then it doesnt have to. You can make the same argument about wikipedia.

Doesn't! DOESN'T! That damn apostrophe!

Can someone ask Jimbo what he thinks about Wikia sites which get created by users like Tisane and Tyciol? And if yes, what answers could Jimbo give in order to cover his shoulders, should real trouble arise form Wikias like these?

[Michaeldsuarez]

Has this man ever been convicted of an offence?

Yes. He was convicted on August 5, 2013, for "sex exploit child-video 10+ items":

https://www.colorado.gov/apps/cdps/sor/search/search-detail.jsf?id=XX10485462

Enable cookies, click the link above, click "submit", return here, then click the link above again.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Its not like paedophiles suddenly become non-human beings. They are *sick*, not animals.

Unless the wikia he created about himself is about his authorship of a popular range of books for children, I dont see what the issue is.

And as they point out above, at the point he was contributing to wikia his recreational habits were unknown. Its not like he contacted them and said 'Oh hey, im a paedo, mind if I run a wiki?'

At best you could make the argument Wikia has poor oversight of material it hosts. But then it doesnt have to. You can make the same argument about wikipedia.

(Although I havnt delved too deeply into nemeses wiki, maybe it has a section on 'how to befriend small children')

No Wikia policies prohibit creating an entire wiki to promote yourself. Obviously, there are no policies saying you can't do a wiki about someone's work even if that person has done bad things unrelated to that work. A policy that would apply in this situation is Wikia's "living people" policy, which says:

Please be cautious about creating wikias or pages (even humorous ones) about living people who aren't publicly notable, including classmates and teachers, gaming clans, forum communities, and more. Even positive articles about people can cause unnecessary drama, and may become a tempting target for personal attacks, cyberbullying, unwanted exposure of personal information, and other violations of Wikia's Terms of Use. Remember that any article that uses a person's real name, username or pseudonym can show up prominently in internet searches, and may become a target of pranks or malice long after the original authors have moved on.

What is acceptable will vary depending on the type of wikia, but if problem content is not dealt with in good faith by the project's community, Wikia staff may remove or alter pages (or entire communities) that are deemed libelous, offensive, or distressing.

That last line would seem to apply, given that the only member of that community with any interest in the place is the man himself and he is most likely in prison for many more years, so we can be pretty sure he isn't going to be checking up on it. Certainly the current content could be fairly described as offensive or distressing.

[Casliber]

Why the hell does it matter that the guy was arrested for child porn? That has nothing to do with there being a wiki about him and his work. If you are going to criticize Wikia for something, how about the creator of the Wiki and its content being the man himself?

ok, three words then.

Risk. of. grooming.

'nuff said

[Vigilant]

I spent a ton of time trying to get Demiurge1000 kicked to the curb against most of the admin corps on en.wp, but this is just sloppy shit reasoning.

Explain what you mean and try to remember that you're not on wikipedia any more.

[The Devil's Advocate]

ok, three words then.

Risk. of. grooming.

'nuff said

I think you are missing the issue. According to public records Michael points to in his first post, the guy has already been carted off to prison. No risk of grooming involved on his part. Unless there is some specific appeal of his work to people like him, then there is no inherent risk of grooming involved in the wiki existing. Were this thread titled "Insignificant author who created a Wikia site about himself was arrested for child porn" or something like that it would be one thing, but this just seems to be insinuating the site shouldn't exist because of the child porn conviction, even though the site was just him promoting his books that appear to concern unrelated subject matter.

[Moral Hazard]

Today The Guardian or the BBC reported an international child-porn ring involving attacks on 6-month old babies.
I have changed my previously liberal tolerant position of referral to assisted suicide professionals in favor of immediate extermination.

[Casliber]

ok, three words then.

Risk. of. grooming.

'nuff said

I think you are missing the issue. According to public records Michael points to in his first post, the guy has already been carted off to prison. No risk of grooming involved on his part. Unless there is some specific appeal of his work to people like him, then there is no inherent risk of grooming involved in the wiki existing. Were this thread titled "Insignificant author who created a Wikia site about himself was arrested for child porn" or something like that it would be one thing, but this just seems to be insinuating the site shouldn't exist because of the child porn conviction, even though the site was just him promoting his books that appear to concern unrelated subject matter.

(a) pe.do. net.works. (b) using anything as faux-social Capital. Works for pick-up artists, con artists and sleazeballs everywhere.

again, 'nuff said

[Casliber]

Why the hell does it matter that the guy was arrested for child porn? That has nothing to do with there being a wiki about him and his work. If you are going to criticize Wikia for something, how about the creator of the Wiki and its content being the man himself?

ok, three words then.

Risk. of. grooming.

'nuff said

I spent a ton of time trying to get Demiurge1000 kicked to the curb against most of the admin corps on en.wp, but this is just sloppy shit reasoning.

Explain what you mean and try to remember that you're not on wikipedia any more.

Err...you talking to me or him?

[Vigilant]

Err...you talking to me or him?

To you and I'm railing at you.
The 'nuff said' thing that people in positions of power at en.wp try to use to short circuit debate doesn't fly here.

Lay out your arguments to your peers.

[Casliber]

FFS...ok then i elaborated in the other 10 or so word post (which I wrote before seeing this one). You would have preferred i just wrote an exasperated comment like others on this page?

[Vigilant]

I'd prefer that you lay out your position without inside baseballer shorthand that makes it hard to understand.
Surely, that's not asking too much?

[Casliber]

It is, considering I succinctly spelt it out here before....and now it's not coming up on the Search function and I am tired.

[Vigilant]

I'll wait. When you get a chance.

[Poetlister]

I once gave a child a book on how to play chess. Sometime after that, the author went to prison for child molestation. But I was scarcely going to suggest taking the book away; the book itself was harmless. Having a Wikia is a totally different issue. Even if it is not overtly aimed at children, we know that there will probably be self-declared children editing it.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I once gave a child a book on how to play chess. Sometime after that, the author went to prison for child molestation. But I was scarcely going to suggest taking the book away; the book itself was harmless. Having a Wikia is a totally different issue. Even if it is not overtly aimed at children, we know that there will probably be self-declared children editing it.

Well, there's no evidence anyone was editing other than him and an ex who started vandalizing the wiki with mentions of his arrest. It's also not like he is still able to access the site.

[JCM]

Why the hell does it matter that the guy was arrested for child porn?

TDA.

In a nutshell.

Make that quote your sig. It would so suit you.


Anyone who wonders why this clown pushes my buttons, read this...

Today The Guardian or the BBC reported an international child-porn ring involving attacks on 6-month old babies.
I have changed my previously liberal tolerant position of referral to assisted suicide professionals in favor of immediate extermination.

I at this point know one 52 year old woman, unfortunately rather visually appealing, who, much to the displeasure of virtually everyone who knows her, is one of the most prudish, religion-obsessed, and shut-off people I have ever met. Virtually everything she does or says screams "child sex abuse victim," and that early abuse has, basically, made her life what she describes as hellish, and, according to her description of her earlier life, it has been that way for some time. And, although I don't think many, maybe most, such victims stay in that state as long as she has,and I hope they don't, I really don't know, particularly regarding older complaints that never get reported.

Having said that, i still have to think that, even though most of the pedophiles aren't "reformable," they are still, at least scientifically, human, and have to be treated as such. Particularly those who may never have really crossed the line into actual abuse. And there are also those individuals like some of those involved in the Pitcairn sexual assault trial of 2004 (T-H-L) who might claim that there were real social considerations in their activity. Having said that, South Georgia (T-H-L) is a nice little island which would probably be welcoming new citizens.