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Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:03 pm

Who the hell is this guy?

His "contributions" to this conversation become more and more unhinged as it progresses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... s#Fox_news

I not sure whether to laugh at his utter stupidity or to applaud his sublime trolling skillz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496534420
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496585001
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496533090

He can't be serious. It must be a troll.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Volunteer Marek » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:59 pm

Vigilant wrote:Who the hell is this guy?

His "contributions" to this conversation become more and more unhinged as it progresses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... s#Fox_news

I not sure whether to laugh at his utter stupidity or to applaud his sublime trolling skillz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496534420
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496585001
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496533090

He can't be serious. It must be a troll.
No one can be that stupid. It's some PaoloNapolitano type character.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by lilburne » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:20 pm

They have been inserting little memes in everybody's mind
So Google's shills can shriek there whenever they're inclined

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:28 pm

And owned for being a complete tool, blind to history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496595510

He could have just gone here and read about it. It's of the body wnt.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by oscarlechien » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:46 pm

Vigilant wrote:Who the hell is this guy?
He can't be serious. It must be a troll.
This is just a hunch....but I can't stop myself from wondering if this guy might not be a sock of Benjiboi who's somehow slipped through...In any case, troll on a roll!

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:51 pm

lilburne wrote:The little monkey is a believer
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496593986
Do I feel another GTFO my talk page moment coming?
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by oscarlechien » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:55 pm

FWIW, I don't think that Wnt is going to have a very long career on EN:WP. Read this warning on his talkpage. Note this remark by an Arb :
:::: BTW, it's Feyd Huxtable, not Fred. Don't know if he's the sort to get pissed off if you get his name wrong. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 17:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
It's pretty clear that the hidden message is that you are being watched by the enemies of the LULZ...

Maybe he'll be listed in the Fae case, finally?

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by HRIP7 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:01 pm

Vigilant wrote:Who the hell is this guy?

His "contributions" to this conversation become more and more unhinged as it progresses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... s#Fox_news

I not sure whether to laugh at his utter stupidity or to applaud his sublime trolling skillz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496534420
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496585001
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496533090

He can't be serious. It must be a troll.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:05 pm

oscarlechien wrote:FWIW, I don't think that Wnt is going to have a very long career on EN:WP. Read this warning on his talkpage. Note this remark by an Arb :
:::: BTW, it's Feyd Huxtable, not Fred. Don't know if he's the sort to get pissed off if you get his name wrong. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 17:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
It's pretty clear that the hidden message is that you are being watched by the enemies of the LULZ...

Maybe he'll be listed in the Fae case, finally?
Ashley's case is narrow and well documented. MBisanz brought well researched evidence to the table of Ashley's extremely poor behavior.

We have the inevitable AshleyStorm wherein all sorts of unfounded accusations are made and everything and the kitchen sink are thrown into the air to avoid confronting the underlying behavior. "If only those meanies on that BADSITE weren't so mean to him/me then this never would have happened..."

I agree that wnt's time is short though. He's getting on everyone's nerves on both en.wp and commons.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:08 pm

HRIP7 wrote:
Vigilant wrote:Who the hell is this guy?

His "contributions" to this conversation become more and more unhinged as it progresses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... s#Fox_news

I not sure whether to laugh at his utter stupidity or to applaud his sublime trolling skillz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496534420
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496585001
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496533090

He can't be serious. It must be a troll.
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How very, very rich that one of Ashley van HaeftEn's biggest defenders is also a current contributor to ED the most hated of BADSITES.
http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Special ... utions/Wnt
http://encyclopediadramatica.se/User_talk:Wnt
The irony is rich today.

The odds are that he's a serious and committed troll have just doubled.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by rhindle » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:11 pm

Looking at Wnt's edits, he seems like a busybody. He hangs around Arbcom and whatever's the topic of the day in the recent news. Probably not unlike many others but this guy sticks out now. I too was wondering whether if he is one of the greastest trolls ever or denser than a black hole.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by DanMurphy » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:30 pm

Yes, he's either blindingly stupid or a monomaniacal troll (he spends a lot of time at it).
Remember that Commons emerged right here in America, as a celebration of ''our'' values. Don't forget that anarchy started ''here'' - it's what ''our'' revolution was called, what was copied in 1789 and 1848 and only much later interpreted, in less effective forms, by the offspring of the [[First International]]. We're the country of [[Henry David Thoreau]] and [[Lysander Spooner]]; the very first political May Day was our [[Haymarket Square protest]]. America is the place where the workers stood up for their 40-hour week and their right to unionize and got the good wages and the time off to do cool projects on the Internet. So don't tell me that this successful, ongoing, triumph of our values is something that can only exist in "Somalia".
Of course, if someone is clearly either a troll or too stupid to be anything but a time-sink, you dump them. I suspect he'll be swimming the friendly waters of WIkipedia for some time yet.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by The Wife » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:35 pm

Wnt began as an IP.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... .15.116.59

Wnt's first edit was:
21:28, 30 September 2007 (diff | hist) . . (+712)‎ . . Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Age of Mythology ‎ (→‎Age of Mythology)

Wnt has a sincere, polite tone in the small sample of contributions I examined from his beginning. For example, at
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =170112979 he said:
Request for comment on biographical issues including WP:BLP

Template:RFCbio

I'd like to see an experienced biographical editor make sense of this article, especially those parts which put the "Kanka family" in a bad light. I am not very familiar with the topic and I'm not sure who is a "living person" or which people are included by this phrase, but some of this seems rather strongly worded against them. However I appreciate it is a controversial topic, and while I have no idea WHAT the source is, the quote "They all knew what Joe Cifelli did" does pull up a mystery URL that I can't access.[1] I don't actually approve of the law on constitutional grounds, but this savaging of a victim's family, even one that has been used as a political football, seems pretty terrible. Please figure out how to fix it. 70.15.116.59 04:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC).
I wonder if Wnt began as a teen and grew up in Wikipedia culture. Consistent exposure to the strange people at WP would account for his nonsense ramblings now.

Currently he's interested in the Magnotta murderer's page.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by lilburne » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:02 pm

The Wife wrote: Currently he's interested in the Magnotta murderer's page.
He seemed to be more interested in the murder video and then rather disappointed that the actual murder wasn't filmed, and then went off looking for a snake killing a cat video. Something like that anyway. Fellow is not atypical of many on Commons which is where I have the impression he was most active, until transferring his attention to "Talk Wales" and Arbcomm.

BTW the Anarchist credentials he gives himself is bollocks. He's really quite authoritarian in his outlook.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by The Wife » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:43 pm

lilburne wrote:
The Wife wrote: Currently he's interested in the Magnotta murderer's page.
He seemed to be more interested in the murder video and then rather disappointed that the actual murder wasn't filmed, and then went off looking for a snake killing a cat video. Something like that anyway. Fellow is not atypical of many on Commons which is where I have the impression he was most active, until transferring his attention to "Talk Wales" and Arbcomm.

BTW the Anarchist credentials he gives himself is bollocks. He's really quite authoritarian in his outlook.
Yes.

I do note a distinct evolution of this person's mind. The first post as an IP was about a video game that apparently had been out for five years at that time: Age of Mythology.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by EricBarbour » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:31 pm

oscarlechien wrote:This is just a hunch....but I can't stop myself from wondering if this guy might not be a sock of Benjiboi who's somehow slipped through.....
He's obviously a sock of someone. Yet another admin sockpuppet to throw on the pile--the pile of Things We Can't Prove.
He's thought to be from Pennsylvania, though. Definitely not Benjiboi. And yes, he's got that smell of a hacker troll about him.
I think he's probably a Chinese-ethnic college student. Some of WP's worst crackpots have been turning out to be young
Asian males, including Betacommand and Fastily. Don't ask me what it means....

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Volunteer Marek » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:57 pm

EricBarbour wrote:
oscarlechien wrote:This is just a hunch....but I can't stop myself from wondering if this guy might not be a sock of Benjiboi who's somehow slipped through.....
He's obviously a sock of someone. Yet another admin sockpuppet to throw on the pile--the pile of Things We Can't Prove.
He's thought to be from Pennsylvania, though. Definitely not Benjiboi. And yes, he's got that smell of a hacker troll about him.
I think he's probably a Chinese-ethnic college student. Some of WP's worst crackpots have been turning out to be young
Asian males, including Betacommand and Fastily. Don't ask me what it means....
I don't think he's an admin.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by SB_Johnny » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:02 am

I doubt he's a "true troll" (in the sense of being self aware and poking people for fun). I also doubt that he's the sock of anyone interesting.

I don't doubt that he will self-implode in a very wiki-public fashion. He clearly knows not what he does.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Randy from Boise » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:12 pm

So how does one tell Commons Administrators from Trolls?

Are they synonymous terms?

Even though I hated the way he was persecuted at WP, which removed him from the areas in which he was capable, I think that a case can be made that Cirt is one who fits the bill. Wnt, same deal. That whole pack of The Usual Suspects in the porn debates at Commons, reading their bizarre logic a certain way — they're all trolls in positions of power.

Any clues?

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Unread post by Vigilant » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:54 pm

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by The Wife » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:59 am

Vigilant wrote:He's sure a weaselly little guy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496671083
I know he started with an interest in a five-year-old video game, I'm not sure if he was a weasel then.

I wonder if it's common to grow into a weasel.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by TungstenCarbide » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:38 am

The Wife wrote:
Vigilant wrote:He's sure a weaselly little guy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496671083
I know he started with an interest in a five-year-old video game, I'm not sure if he was a weasel then.

I wonder if it's common to grow into a weasel.
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Re: Wnt

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TungstenCarbide wrote:
The Wife wrote:
Vigilant wrote:He's sure a weaselly little guy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496671083
I know he started with an interest in a five-year-old video game, I'm not sure if he was a weasel then.

I wonder if it's common to grow into a weasel.
Interesting insight. People can certainly go down different paths in life.

I just read a book about Paul Farmer - what's interesting is what he said about the rich elites he went to college with; "they almost had me".
Today I read one or two IRC logs with a child in them and frank, adult sexual commentary as well as what may have been some disdainful reference to gaming the system. The child was not furthering those topics for the most part. I wonder if years in the future the child might have become bitter if his IRC social group moved apart or turned on him.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by lilburne » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:23 pm

It seems that one of the Arbs isn't taking Wnt's word for anything. Here he is referencing a comment I made about some nonsense from SeraphimBlade:
To quote the newest continuation of this discussion, reputedly made more civil by Fae's departure ...
To which I replied:
''conspiracy to circumvent laws against showing pornography to kids'' is a statement of fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496934475
And provoked this response from sweet little Wnt
It sounds like an "extraordinary claim", considerably stronger than "promoting a bestiality video", which I maintain was not an allegation of criminal activity, at least in the U.S., ... [more dissembling bleating]
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =496934602
Now it appears that EotR has been over at Wales page having a looksee.
While we're looking for laws that Seraphimblade can campaign about ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... 070#UK_law
How much more of Wnt's 'evidential claims' are they going to find to be spurious?
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by HRIP7 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:08 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edia_world
The result is that Wikipedia is like a great ocean liner, slowly but inexorably sinking. It is hard to believe, as we stroll through the elegantly appointed ballrooms, that tiny leaky wooden vessels tossed amid the freezing water are truly the better option. Yet that is where we are - we need third party sites that can step up and take over Wikipedia's work, so that when the site itself has become entirely a partisan political battleground, there is somewhere for a remnant of the community to intact and try to recover. But we have to make a conscious choice to launch these life-boats while it is still possible, to chop up the fine deck furniture into rafts and flotation devices, to take the opportunity to plan when and how to abandon ship.

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Unread post by Vigilant » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:11 pm

HRIP7 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edia_world
The result is that Wikipedia is like a great ocean liner, slowly but inexorably sinking. It is hard to believe, as we stroll through the elegantly appointed ballrooms, that tiny leaky wooden vessels tossed amid the freezing water are truly the better option. Yet that is where we are - we need third party sites that can step up and take over Wikipedia's work, so that when the site itself has become entirely a partisan political battleground, there is somewhere for a remnant of the community to intact and try to recover. But we have to make a conscious choice to launch these life-boats while it is still possible, to chop up the fine deck furniture into rafts and flotation devices, to take the opportunity to plan when and how to abandon ship.
Can we please get someone to throw his ass overboard now?
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Re: Wnt

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Vigilant wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edia_world
The result is that Wikipedia is like a great ocean liner, slowly but inexorably sinking. It is hard to believe, as we stroll through the elegantly appointed ballrooms, that tiny leaky wooden vessels tossed amid the freezing water are truly the better option. Yet that is where we are - we need third party sites that can step up and take over Wikipedia's work, so that when the site itself has become entirely a partisan political battleground, there is somewhere for a remnant of the community to intact and try to recover. But we have to make a conscious choice to launch these life-boats while it is still possible, to chop up the fine deck furniture into rafts and flotation devices, to take the opportunity to plan when and how to abandon ship.
Can we please get someone to throw his ass overboard now?
He's one to talk. The Great Ship has been sinking for five years, and now he notices that his ankles are wet.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:18 pm

EricBarbour wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edia_world
The result is that Wikipedia is like a great ocean liner, slowly but inexorably sinking. It is hard to believe, as we stroll through the elegantly appointed ballrooms, that tiny leaky wooden vessels tossed amid the freezing water are truly the better option. Yet that is where we are - we need third party sites that can step up and take over Wikipedia's work, so that when the site itself has become entirely a partisan political battleground, there is somewhere for a remnant of the community to intact and try to recover. But we have to make a conscious choice to launch these life-boats while it is still possible, to chop up the fine deck furniture into rafts and flotation devices, to take the opportunity to plan when and how to abandon ship.
Can we please get someone to throw his ass overboard now?
He's one to talk. The Great Ship has been sinking for five years, and now he notices that his ankles are wet.
That's because he's not in steerage.
He's someone's cabin boy up in first class.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by TungstenCarbide » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:43 pm

EricBarbour wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edia_world
The result is that Wikipedia is like a great ocean liner, slowly but inexorably sinking. It is hard to believe, as we stroll through the elegantly appointed ballrooms, that tiny leaky wooden vessels tossed amid the freezing water are truly the better option. Yet that is where we are - we need third party sites that can step up and take over Wikipedia's work, so that when the site itself has become entirely a partisan political battleground, there is somewhere for a remnant of the community to intact and try to recover. But we have to make a conscious choice to launch these life-boats while it is still possible, to chop up the fine deck furniture into rafts and flotation devices, to take the opportunity to plan when and how to abandon ship.
Can we please get someone to throw his ass overboard now?
He's one to talk. The Great Ship has been sinking for five years, and now he notices that his ankles are wet.
I'd say it became a Great Ship and began sinking for about seven or eight years ago. There were some pretty cool people back in 2002 and 2003, and anyone who wasn't batshit insane and wrote a few articles became an admin. These people picked up Wikipedia early, recognized its pathology early and left early, especially when the irc/technoanarchist/DavidGerardtype got into power. That was back when people still took Jimbo seriously and listened to him - he had a big part in creating the toxic culture that Wikipedia is today.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:08 pm

What a great girl's blouse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =498188158
I am deeply disappointed by this surrender, and I have no doubt that many of the same parties who have criticized Fae and many others in previous proceedings will continue to make their case here against other editors in the future. But the time for argument has passed - now, the time has come to recognize that Wikipedia's design, which permits an effectively self-selecting group of admins and officials to control the accumulated content and traffic, is simply not viable in the long term. Once sufficient monetary and political value is accumulated, the even keel of academic freedom is forgotten, and a mad squabble ensues over control of the site's "editorial discretion". Too many good editors and admins have fallen to processes like this, in which Wikipedia's bureaucratic battleground leads to them being denigrated for political advantage as nothing but trouble-makers despite years of good service. The question now is whether we can design and launch effective life-boats before this great ship sinks forever beneath the waves. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 16:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I doubt he could be more melodramatic if he tried.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by The Wife » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:19 pm

Vigilant wrote:What a great girl's blouse.
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I am deeply disappointed by this surrender, and I have no doubt that many of the same parties who have criticized Fae and many others in previous proceedings will continue to make their case here against other editors in the future. But the time for argument has passed - now, the time has come to recognize that Wikipedia's design, which permits an effectively self-selecting group of admins and officials to control the accumulated content and traffic, is simply not viable in the long term. Once sufficient monetary and political value is accumulated, the even keel of academic freedom is forgotten, and a mad squabble ensues over control of the site's "editorial discretion". Too many good editors and admins have fallen to processes like this, in which Wikipedia's bureaucratic battleground leads to them being denigrated for political advantage as nothing but trouble-makers despite years of good service. The question now is whether we can design and launch effective life-boats before this great ship sinks forever beneath the waves. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 16:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I doubt he could be more melodramatic if he tried.
Weren't contributors here discussing Chris Owen's WMUK microgrant and his writing on the Titanic not long before Wnt created his analogy?

He seems to mirror many of the criticisms of WP that contributors here have aptly described. I wonder if he reads here. If so, perhaps we could begin a Wnt tutorial:

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Re: Wnt

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The Wife wrote:I wonder if he reads here.
Oh yes. During Fae's RFC/U Wnt was bitching that 'Lilburne' on WR had called be a 'bloody fool'. I must have been feeling particularly generous that day.
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EricBarbour wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edia_world
The result is that Wikipedia is like a great ocean liner, slowly but inexorably sinking. It is hard to believe, as we stroll through the elegantly appointed ballrooms, that tiny leaky wooden vessels tossed amid the freezing water are truly the better option. Yet that is where we are - we need third party sites that can step up and take over Wikipedia's work, so that when the site itself has become entirely a partisan political battleground, there is somewhere for a remnant of the community to intact and try to recover. But we have to make a conscious choice to launch these life-boats while it is still possible, to chop up the fine deck furniture into rafts and flotation devices, to take the opportunity to plan when and how to abandon ship.
Can we please get someone to throw his ass overboard now?
He's one to talk. The Great Ship has been sinking for five years, and now he notices that his ankles are wet.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by DanMurphy » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:34 pm

Wow. Emphasis mine.
I see nothing wrong with the edit you cited. It ''is'' a well known use of Crisco. Just offhand I remember reading in ''[[And the Band Played On]]'' about guys lying around in the old San Francisco bathhouses with a can of Crisco by them, giving a quick nod to welcome a visitor. (Such use of Crisco is not healthy, but then again, neither is eating it. We should also quote the uses described for it in ''[[The Help]]''.<sup>[http://frugivoremag.com/2011/08/the-hel ... of-crisco/]</sup>) To me, the desire to ''exclude'' this very well sourced, commonly known information from an article is very difficult to explain without supposing that an editor simply doesn't think we should cover gay-related content matter, i.e. is anti-gay. And you're saying that if I were to call that "a concrete example of problematic anti-gay editing", ''that'' would be one of these punishable extraordinary claims, but yours is not?? This is highly unfair to Fae, Benjiboi, and all other editors. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 18:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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DanMurphy wrote:Wow. Emphasis mine.
I see nothing wrong with the edit you cited. It ''is'' a well known use of Crisco. Just offhand I remember reading in ''[[And the Band Played On]]'' about guys lying around in the old San Francisco bathhouses with a can of Crisco by them, giving a quick nod to welcome a visitor. (Such use of Crisco is not healthy, but then again, neither is eating it. We should also quote the uses described for it in ''[[The Help]]''.<sup>[http://frugivoremag.com/2011/08/the-hel ... of-crisco/]</sup>) To me, the desire to ''exclude'' this very well sourced, commonly known information from an article is very difficult to explain without supposing that an editor simply doesn't think we should cover gay-related content matter, i.e. is anti-gay. And you're saying that if I were to call that "a concrete example of problematic anti-gay editing", ''that'' would be one of these punishable extraordinary claims, but yours is not?? This is highly unfair to Fae, Benjiboi, and all other editors. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 18:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah.
If I'm a parent and my kid is doing a report on Crisco, the first thing I want them exposed to is an unexpected picture of anal fisting.
If I'm at work, I'd prefer to have that image or even text in my employer's browser caches.
If you're going to have text on the wonders of Crisco for use as an anal lubricant, then put it under "Anal fisting" or "Anal lubricant".
I don't want hardcore porn shoved in my face when I'm looking for work-a-day search terms.

The fact that Wnt/Fae/BenjiBoi don't seem to get this simple point makes me think that it was their purpose to inflame the situation and then cry "homophobia" when people told them that they did not want to see this.

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Unread post by Alison » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:07 pm

DanMurphy wrote:Wow. Emphasis mine.
To me, the desire to ''exclude'' this very well sourced, commonly known information from an article is very difficult to explain without supposing that an editor simply doesn't think we should cover gay-related content matter, i.e. is anti-gay[[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 18:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, because if you don't want to include information about people shoving their fist up someone else's ass in an article about a cooking product, you're clearly homophobic! :rolleyes: :angry:

PROTIP for Wnt: not all people who indulge in fisting practices are gay. Not all gay people indulge in fisting. And not all of these groups use Crisco as lube. Just for starters ....
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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:07 am

Cuckoo for cocoa puffs...
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What it sounds like you're saying to me is that (a) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for ''normal people''. It does not cover weird and interesting details of topics. (b) Homosexuals are not normal people; the readers don't care about what any product might be associated with in ''their'' minds. (c) Homosexuals who try to use Wikipedia to write about the kinds of things they have in mind should be shown the door. Now that may be many things, but what it's ''not'' is NPOV. NPOV means you cover every detail about a product that any contributor comes forward to provide reliable sources to document. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 00:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that's not what WP:NPOV says.

Get him, Tarc.
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I'm starting to guess that fetal alcohol syndrome may have played a significant part in Wnt's rearing.

I fail to understand what the function of the clerks in an ARBCOM case, apparently.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Tarc » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:17 am

Wnt has completely gone off the reservation now.

Which I have no doubt will be interpreted as a slur against Native Americans and be used in some upcoming Arbcom filing.

This is truly a McCarthyist "have you no decency, sir?" moment for the Fae Brigade.
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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:34 am

He should get added to the case along with prioryman.
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Unread post by SB_Johnny » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:37 am

Vigilant wrote:He should get added to the case along with prioryman.
I was just thinking the same thing, but then they'd both demand 2 more weeks to write their dissertations and set up their clean start accounts.
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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:43 am

I wonder their total word count for all pages is combined.
The two of them put together have to dwarf the rest of the contributors combined.
While Wnt is sticking it out out of sheer tenacity, like a poodle locked on to a chew toy, I think PrioryMan pretty much gave up the fight after Ashley resigned the tools.
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Unread post by The Wife » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:45 am

Vigilant wrote:He should get added to the case along with prioryman.
But the other side scored that goal of tarring more people first. Axiomatically, all members of the side who first scored are now all immune. Unless... it's a full moon on a third Tuesday. Those are the rules.

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Unread post by The Wife » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:46 am

Vigilant wrote:I wonder their total word count for all pages is combined.
The two of them put together have to dwarf the rest of the contributors combined.
While Wnt is sticking it out out of sheer tenacity, like a poodle locked on to a chew toy, I think PrioryMan pretty much gave up the fight after Ashley resigned the tools.
Yeah, he's an athlete. He's thinking about the next match.

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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:58 am

What the fucking fuck?
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The [[gerbil]] article does not presently have an 'in popular culture' section, which is where a sentence about [[gerbilling]] would belong, as it is a fictional practice. It would be far less obscure and far more relevant than many, probably most, of the "in popular culture" stuff that trails at the end of many articles. For example, I would suggest it is far more relevant than the last sentence of [[Apollo]], about 1940s Batman comics. Even I would agree that sometimes "popular culture" wanders into spam territory on occasion, but certainly I do not advocate throwing anyone out of Wikipedia for how they think articles should be written, or for trying to cover significant, factual information. I think it is appropriate to ask, point blank, whether you would favor that people adding sentences about Batman to articles about Greek gods should also be "shown the door", or is your disapproval limited only to those who include what you describe as irrelevant information about certain topics? And if so, how are those topics chosen? [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 01:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Ooooookay then.
If you added a batman section to an article about Greek gods, you get a vandalism warning. Try it.
If you add a section about anal fisting to the Crisco article and someone tells you to knock off the stupidity, then "Help! Help! Ah'm bein' oppressed!"?

And from Jimbo's page, an exhortation to violated copyright law right there in plain text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =498519037
There are legal mysteries here I can't answer - my assumption would be that if a photo was taken outside the U.S., 2257 doesn't apply to it. I also assume that if a foreign citizen uploads an image and ''doesn't tell you'' it was from the U.S., that you can't be expected to keep 2257 paperwork. And American citizens uploading U.S.-made recent images are already warned by the WMF counsel of the possibility that this unconstitutional law might be used against them. But one of two things should be true - either any American photo should be 'washable' (copyright licensing permitting0 by some foreigner stripping out the 2257 crap and posting it on some server, or else using any random foreign photo puts unknowing Americans at great risk of 2257 prosecution. I'm thinking the former. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 16:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
I'd think that Jimbo is starting to drift into the realm that is beyond plausible deniability and into willful negligence.
I can't imagine what he's thinking letting something like that stay on his talk page...
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by Randy from Boise » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:43 am

Tarc wrote: This is truly a McCarthyist "have you no decency, sir?" moment for the Fae Brigade.
The correct term, my friend, is "The Faethful."

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Unread post by Bielle » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:25 am

Randy from Boise wrote:
Tarc wrote: This is truly a McCarthyist "have you no decency, sir?" moment for the Fae Brigade.
The correct term, my friend, is "The Faethful."
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Re: Wnt

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Isn't it nice that the WMF provides all these fun online hangouts for people with severe psychiatric disorders? :hrmph:

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Unread post by lilburne » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:29 am

Vigilant wrote:What the fucking fuck?
And from Jimbo's page, an exhortation to violated copyright law right there in plain text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =498519037
There are legal mysteries here I can't answer - my assumption would be that if a photo was taken outside the U.S., 2257 doesn't apply to it. I also assume that if a foreign citizen uploads an image and ''doesn't tell you'' it was from the U.S., that you can't be expected to keep 2257 paperwork. And American citizens uploading U.S.-made recent images are already warned by the WMF counsel of the possibility that this unconstitutional law might be used against them. But one of two things should be true - either any American photo should be 'washable' (copyright licensing permitting0 by some foreigner stripping out the 2257 crap and posting it on some server, or else using any random foreign photo puts unknowing Americans at great risk of 2257 prosecution. I'm thinking the former. [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 16:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
I read that as Wnt saying that it was OK to upload Russian child porn.
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Re: Wnt

Unread post by lilburne » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:19 am

Vigilant wrote:What the fucking fuck?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =498588950
The [[gerbil]] article does not presently have an 'in popular culture' section, which is where a sentence about [[gerbilling]] would belong, as it is a fictional practice. It would be far less obscure and far more relevant than many, probably most, of the "in popular culture" stuff that trails at the end of many articles. For example, I would suggest it is far more relevant than the last sentence of [[Apollo]], about 1940s Batman comics. Even I would agree that sometimes "popular culture" wanders into spam territory on occasion, but certainly I do not advocate throwing anyone out of Wikipedia for how they think articles should be written, or for trying to cover significant, factual information. I think it is appropriate to ask, point blank, whether you would favor that people adding sentences about Batman to articles about Greek gods should also be "shown the door", or is your disapproval limited only to those who include what you describe as irrelevant information about certain topics? And if so, how are those topics chosen? [[User:Wnt|Wnt]] ([[User talk:Wnt|talk]]) 01:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Ooooookay then.
If you added a batman section to an article about Greek gods, you get a vandalism warning. Try it.
If you add a section about anal fisting to the Crisco article and someone tells you to knock off the stupidity, then "Help! Help! Ah'm bein' oppressed!"?
Alternatively one could take the article on stuffing things up orifices and add a large section on the cultivation of cucumbers, and the production techniques of silicone molds.
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