You misspelled "competence" as "transparency".thekohser wrote:Of course, in multiple venues.Triptych wrote:Have you indicated to them that you're willing to participate on the panel?
P.S. I am not "aggravated"; rather, "amused" by their lack of transparency in executing what appears to be political machinations.
David has a longstanding interest in countering promotional material on Wikipedia, so it doesn't strike me as implausible. Given the current terms-of-use discussions, it would have been more surprising if they hadn't planned to discuss it.thekohser wrote:I've searched the WikiConference page histories, and I see zero evidence that this was a planned event "from the start".
Why did they reject the only on-time submission that covered paid editing, which received multiple "Interested" parties, in favor of a supposedly "planned all along, we just didn't document it in any way" panel on the same subject, where the sponsor of the on-time submission with multiple interest wasn't even contacted?HRIP7 wrote:David has a longstanding interest in countering promotional material on Wikipedia, so it doesn't strike me as implausible. Given the current terms-of-use discussions, it would have been more surprising if they hadn't planned to discuss it.thekohser wrote:I've searched the WikiConference page histories, and I see zero evidence that this was a planned event "from the start".
I was going to say because they're not considering you part of their "community"; but then I saw that their press release contains the following:thekohser wrote:Why did they reject the only on-time submission that covered paid editing, which received multiple "Interested" parties, in favor of a supposedly "planned all along, we just didn't document it in any way" panel on the same subject, where the sponsor of the on-time submission with multiple interest wasn't even contacted?HRIP7 wrote:David has a longstanding interest in countering promotional material on Wikipedia, so it doesn't strike me as implausible. Given the current terms-of-use discussions, it would have been more surprising if they hadn't planned to discuss it.thekohser wrote:I've searched the WikiConference page histories, and I see zero evidence that this was a planned event "from the start".
Note: There was one other submission about paid editing, "Why paid editing is a really bad idea", but it was entered on April 7th, which was after the March 31st deadline, which had been extended only on April 6th to April 15th. This submission received no interest from attendees.
So, given how it's billed, poor show, and you're right to feel aggrieved.Who Should Attend?
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Wikipedia or the Wikimedia projects. We welcome the curious, the skeptical, and others wishing
to engage in meaningful conversation about the Wikimedia movement in the United States, free
culture and digital rights, advocacy and outreach, community building, and technology.
Submit a Session
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You hve to ask yourself, If DGG/David Goodman has a Ph.D and M.L.S. why are they the Wikipedian in Residence at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts? It seems a little unprestigious for someone with those credentials if you ask me.Triptych wrote:It looks funny, and it seems strangely late for Dorothy and David to get around to the organizing of it, and it's proved an understandable frustration to you. But no sense being further aggravated. Have you indicated to them that you're willing to participate on the panel?thekohser wrote:David Goodman responds to my inquiry about the origin of the "Paid Editing panel" that appeared on the conference calendar about one month after outside submissions were closed.
I've searched the WikiConference page histories, and I see zero evidence that this was a planned event "from the start".Dear Greg,
The panel is not an outside submission, but a planned event at the conference from the start. It is listed as a submission to facilitate scheduling. The two of us are the ones organizing it.
Dorothy Howard and David Goodman
--
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
DGG on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
Wikipedian-in-Residence,
New York Public Library for the Performing Arts
I know people with PhDs who work at Applebee's, and people with MLS degrees who are unemployed. Neither credential is all that "prestigious".Kumioko wrote:You hve to ask yourself, If DGG/David Goodman has a Ph.D and M.L.S. why are they the Wikipedian in Residence at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts? It seems a little unprestigious for someone with those credentials if you ask me.
Don't forget to point out to Goodman how much successful paid editing there is on his "magic project"....thekohser wrote:So, I have my train ticket and a hotel booked. I'll be at the WikiConference in the mid-afternoon on Friday. I've actually parlayed my attendance into a paid gig as a freelance reporter.
I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.Dear Greg:
The organizers of Wikiconference USA 2014 have determined that based on a number of considerations, you are not invited to attend the conference. Your name has been removed from the list of registered attendees and will not be included on the list of attendees being provided to the venue.
Please note that this is not any one individual's decision but a group decision, for which I am acting as messenger/scrivener. The decision is final and is not subject to reconsideration or appeal.
Sincerely,
Ira Brad Matetsky
(User:Newyorkbrad)
For: Wikiconference USA 2014 committee
Small claims court.thekohser wrote:Okay, this just got certifiably deranged. Received by e-mail less than 30 minutes ago from Ira Brad Matetsky:
I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.Dear Greg:
The organizers of Wikiconference USA 2014 have determined that based on a number of considerations, you are not invited to attend the conference. Your name has been removed from the list of registered attendees and will not be included on the list of attendees being provided to the venue.
Please note that this is not any one individual's decision but a group decision, for which I am acting as messenger/scrivener. The decision is final and is not subject to reconsideration or appeal.
Sincerely,
Ira Brad Matetsky
(User:Newyorkbrad)
For: Wikiconference USA 2014 committee
Further confirmation on WikiConference site. If you're wondering what was the "Intimidating behavior/harassment", it was apparently this final edit of mine.
Brad is a certified douchebag and that is my decision, not that of any group for which I am acting as messenger or scrivener.thekohser wrote:Okay, this just got certifiably deranged. Received by e-mail less than 30 minutes ago from Ira Brad Matetsky:
I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.Dear Greg:
The organizers of Wikiconference USA 2014 have determined that based on a number of considerations, you are not invited to attend the conference. Your name has been removed from the list of registered attendees and will not be included on the list of attendees being provided to the venue.
Please note that this is not any one individual's decision but a group decision, for which I am acting as messenger/scrivener. The decision is final and is not subject to reconsideration or appeal.
Sincerely,
Ira Brad Matetsky
(User:Newyorkbrad)
For: Wikiconference USA 2014 committee
Further confirmation on WikiConference site. If you're wondering what was the "Intimidating behavior/harassment", it was apparently this final edit of mine.
I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like you don't understand how state courts (don't) have jurisdiction over out-of-state defendants.Vigilant wrote:File in small claims in the most inconvenient venue for them.
They are required to respond.thekohser wrote:I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like you don't understand how state courts (don't) have jurisdiction over out-of-state defendants.Vigilant wrote:File in small claims in the most inconvenient venue for them.
Just another sign that wikipediots aren't very professional even in formal settings.HRIP7 wrote:Just let it go.
These are all variations of the old civility trick so beloved of the AN/I crowd. Pull passive-aggressive stuff, watch your opponent fly off the handle, and profit. Be smart, don't fall for it.
Vigilant is right. You could sue the organizers, and even Matetsky himself, in small claims, in your jurisdiction.thekohser wrote:I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.
Nonsense, they were probably arguing about letting you in, someone raised hell/made threats to keep you out, and the rest finally decided you were a "disruptive person". Save copies of everything and publish it on your wiki, then Ira and co. can't claim it never happened (which is likely to be their next trick).Further confirmation on WikiConference site. If you're wondering what was the "Intimidating behavior/harassment", it was apparently this final edit of mine.
Yes, one of the anticipated attendees, a 41-year-old woman, thought it appropriate to reply to all with most of her personal data, asking the conference organizers to provide her an Enrollment Verification Certificate, to submit to her college (for academic credit or travel cost reimbursement, I suppose). She gave her birthdate, home address, several phone numbers, her driver's license number, social security number, and more. At least 50 people were on the e-mail. And she sent it twice.MZMcBride wrote:A few days ago one of the conference organizers e-mailed everyone registered for the conference using the "To" field instead of "BCC". Wow that was a bad move. The resulting e-mails have been insane.
Were Dante alive today, he would have considered another level of hell for people who think that "friendly space policies" are a worthwhile thing.thekohser wrote:Yes, one of the anticipated attendees, a 41-year-old woman, thought it appropriate to reply to all with most of her personal data, asking the conference organizers to provide her an Enrollment Verification Certificate, to submit to her college (for academic credit or travel cost reimbursement, I suppose). She gave her birthdate, home address, several phone numbers, her driver's license number, social security number, and more. At least 50 people were on the e-mail. And she sent it twice.MZMcBride wrote:A few days ago one of the conference organizers e-mailed everyone registered for the conference using the "To" field instead of "BCC". Wow that was a bad move. The resulting e-mails have been insane.
For all the trouble that most Wikipediots take to disguise their identity, some are just too dim for their own good, maybe.
Meanwhile, Kirill Lokshin is working on the "cover our asses" process -- the very morning the conference starts. Maybe they got wind of the fact that I've discussed with two different attorneys (one in New York, the other in the District of Columbia) about tortious interference.
What would they do to you if you did go? Especially if you go with a Daily Dot journalist recording along side you?
The Joy wrote:What would they do to you if you did go?
Anthony Crowell, Dean and PresidentThis breach has compromised your role as "an expert, independent, nonprofit organization whose mission is to work for a fair, just, and safe marketplace for all consumers and to empower consumers to protect themselves."
linkThe Law School has a compelling interest in free inquiry and the collective search for knowledge and thus recognizes principles of academic freedom as a special area of protected speech.
linkAs a university that prides itself on diversity and access to opportunity, we hold in the highest regard policies and principles that guarantee an open and tolerant academic exchange. That exchange is vigorously protected and defended.
Wil, and everybody else, who is still able to edit wikipedia, why don't you ask mr. Ira Brad Matetsky publicly on his wikipedia talk page who exactly voted to bar Greg from that conference, and what was their rationale. I am personally getting sick and tired of their inquisition style secret tribunals, in which even defendants are not allowed to participate. Their co-founder arguing for freedom of information all the time. Isn't it about time to apply it to his own site? It should be done not for Greg, but rather for yourself, if you want to claim self-respect.thekohser wrote:Okay, this just got certifiably deranged. Received by e-mail less than 30 minutes ago from Ira Brad Matetsky:
I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.Dear Greg:
The organizers of Wikiconference USA 2014 have determined that based on a number of considerations, you are not invited to attend the conference. Your name has been removed from the list of registered attendees and will not be included on the list of attendees being provided to the venue.
Please note that this is not any one individual's decision but a group decision, for which I am acting as messenger/scrivener. The decision is final and is not subject to reconsideration or appeal.
Sincerely,
Ira Brad Matetsky
(User:Newyorkbrad)
For: Wikiconference USA 2014 committee
Further confirmation on WikiConference site. If you're wondering what was the "Intimidating behavior/harassment", it was apparently this final edit of mine.
I think someone will ask for the reason for banning Greg, within the next 48 hours.neved wrote:Wil, and everybody else, who is still able to edit wikipedia, why don't you ask mr. Ira Brad Matetsky publicly on his wikipedia talk page who exactly voted to bar Greg from that conference, and what was their rationale.thekohser wrote:Okay, this just got certifiably deranged. Received by e-mail less than 30 minutes ago from Ira Brad Matetsky:
I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.Dear Greg:
The organizers of Wikiconference USA 2014 have determined that based on a number of considerations, you are not invited to attend the conference. Your name has been removed from the list of registered attendees and will not be included on the list of attendees being provided to the venue.
Please note that this is not any one individual's decision but a group decision, for which I am acting as messenger/scrivener. The decision is final and is not subject to reconsideration or appeal.
Sincerely,
Ira Brad Matetsky
(User:Newyorkbrad)
For: Wikiconference USA 2014 committee
Further confirmation on WikiConference site. If you're wondering what was the "Intimidating behavior/harassment", it was apparently this final edit of mine.
My impression is that a lawyer would tell you that it's not worth suing them, but that you could if you care enough. These people conducted business in New York, and are therefore subject to New York law. Many of them are New York residents, apparently. You were planning on attending a conference advertised as public, and for no offense, it appears, you were told you would not be admitted. There was plenty of discussion where you could have been told. Maybe they were toying with you, but I don't think so. I think they are stupid (or burned-out), with a touch of vicious and incompetent, that's all. Newyorkbrad should know better, but obviously doesn't.thekohser wrote:Okay, this just got certifiably deranged. Received by e-mail less than 30 minutes ago from Ira Brad Matetsky:I hope they'll refund my train ticket and my hotel room.Dear Greg:
The organizers of Wikiconference USA 2014 have determined that based on a number of considerations, you are not invited to attend the conference. Your name has been removed from the list of registered attendees and will not be included on the list of attendees being provided to the venue.
Please note that this is not any one individual's decision but a group decision, for which I am acting as messenger/scrivener. The decision is final and is not subject to reconsideration or appeal.
Sincerely,
Ira Brad Matetsky
(User:Newyorkbrad)
For: Wikiconference USA 2014 committee
No, they were looking for an excuse. Looking around the web site, you were blocked by Pharos, you have the honor of being the only user blocked on that wiki.Further confirmation on WikiConference site. If you're wondering what was the "Intimidating behavior/harassment", it was apparently this final edit of mine.
Mr. Gorman indirectly admits that WMF paid for, at least, his round-trip airfare from California to New York and back. He says in response to Kohser's question on the point: "open scholarship program advertised for months to cover travel to ensure those interested could attend."thekohser wrote:According to his Twitter feed, Kevin Gorman missed his 8 AM flight out of New York this morning.
Yeah this is exactly the type of chickenshit bully tactics the admins and arbs use to get their way. Sure they might say it in writing like its a nice little thing, but they are just as corrupt as any politician and are just so impressed with themsleves and their own POV that they wouldn't even know what is good for the project anymore. If they don't take the project seriously or its own rules and policy then how do they expect anyone else too? Its no wonder Wikipedia is so disfunctional and has so many vandals and trolls.Triptych wrote:Mr. Gorman indirectly admits that WMF paid for, at least, his round-trip airfare from California to New York and back. He says in response to Kohser's question on the point: "open scholarship program advertised for months to cover travel to ensure those interested could attend."thekohser wrote:According to his Twitter feed, Kevin Gorman missed his 8 AM flight out of New York this morning.
"Scholarship." Oh, right... That's not the word I'd choose for the expenditure of charity dollars for the fun-time NYC visits of its administrative class.
There was an openly announced program to cover the cost of attendees. link The Committee to select who should receive those funds was chaired by Kirill Lokshin (T-C-L), who would rather control this aspect than get dirty picking from among presenters on the Program Committee. Wikimania 2012 followed a similar pattern.Triptych wrote:Mr. Gorman indirectly admits that WMF paid for, at least, his round-trip airfare from California to New York and back. He says in response to Kohser's question on the point: "open scholarship program advertised for months to cover travel to ensure those interested could attend."
"Scholarship." Oh, right... That's not the word I'd choose for the expenditure of charity dollars for the fun-time NYC visits of its administrative class.
Fortunately, I was not assessed with a $120 penalty on my hotel reservation, because I was able to cancel it two hours ahead of the 6:00 PM penalty deadline being triggered.Randy from Boise wrote:Greg —
Did you take a financial loss on tickets, etc. as a result of the unexplained 11th hour ban by conference organizers?
Please provide exact details (perhaps with jpg illustrations) if you did.
RfB
Eagle, what is the basis for your viewpoint here that there was a financial-need-based element to those Wikiconference USA attendees that were gifted with charity dollars? The application form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VAXyVv ... w/viewform) said nothing about that.eagle wrote:So spending some of the conference budget on travel is reasonable. The idea of "scholarship" is that it is tied to financial need of the applicant, not that the recipient is a true scholar.
On the one hand, I'm pleased you didn't get hosed.thekohser wrote:Fortunately, I was not assessed with a $120 penalty on my hotel reservation, because I was able to cancel it two hours ahead of the 6:00 PM penalty deadline being triggered.Randy from Boise wrote:Greg —
Did you take a financial loss on tickets, etc. as a result of the unexplained 11th hour ban by conference organizers?
Please provide exact details (perhaps with jpg illustrations) if you did.
RfB
Regarding Amtrak, though, I was unable to receive a full refund on my coach ticket, although the net loss was negligible ($5.30). I would still like the organizers of the WikiConference USA to reimburse me for that $5.30, though.
The tense relationship between the PR and Wiki communities ranked front and center at the first national WikiConference USA held May 30-June 1 at New York Law School in Manhattan’s Tribeca neighborhood. Wikipedians agree that PR firms have the right to correct factual errors posted on the “free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.” A Wikipedian said the idea that “PR people are never to darken the door of Widipedia” is long gone, remarking ‘that ship has long sailed.” Many in the audience at two May 30 sessions however were deeply skeptical about PR input. They believe agencies are more interested in planting “shameful plugs” on the site to burnish client image, rather than pursuing truth, justice and the Wiki way. Some snickered at the suggestion that PR firms are only trying to :do the right thing.:
Tough Call
Wikipedia's David Goodman told the audience "no sharp boundary" exists to determine the difference between truth and puffery. He defined a promotional post as one that tells readers “what a client wants them to know” about their goods or services offerings. That contrasts, in Goodman’s mind, to an encyclopedic article that informs people about “what they want to know.” William Beutler, a Wiki editor who runs Beutler Ink content marketing shop in DC, organized and served on the panel called “How the PR Industry Views Wikipedia.” His four-year-old boutique shop works with companies and brands to help get stories earn approval by Wikipedia’s editors. Burson-Marsteller is among PR firms to use Beutler Ink for counsel on navigating Wiki’s stringent guidelines, protocols and best practices standards.
B-M Out of Wiki Editing Business
Michael Bassik, who ran B-M's digital operations before moving to Miles Nadal's MDC Partners, said he ended the WPP unit's past practice of editing Wiki entries of clients. In his view, the vast majority of PR people are unaware of Wiki’s protocols, believing they are making harmless changes to the encyclopedia. After seeing B-M staffers across the street from its New York headquarters editing Wiki posts, Bassik ordered the hands-off policy. Those on-the-street editors got him wondering what Wiki additions/subtractions were Burson people making in offices in London, Paris, Barcelona, Jeddah, Bangalore, Beijing, Tokyo and Sydney.
Friendly, space policy'
Conference press materials included a sheet providing an overview of Wiki's "friendly space policy." Organizers were “dedicated to providing a harassment-free event experience for everyone, regardless of gender identity or expression, age, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion or preferred Creative Commons license (and not limited to those aspects.)" Violators "may be sanctioned or expelled from the conference at the discretion of the event organizers," according to the hand-out. Wiki also defined harassment as “non-contextual display of sexual images, deliberate intimidation, stalking, unwelcome following, harassing photography or recording, sustained disruption of talks or other events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention.” Rule-breakers might receive a "private warning" asking for a change in behavior. Organizers with help, if necessary, from NYLS staff or the NYPD, promised to eject serious transgressors. Meetings attended by O'Dwyer staffers went off without a hitch.
• Adhere to the Friendly Space Policy! •Wikicadres wrote: Friendly Space Policy
Overview
WikiConference USA is dedicated to providing a harassment-free event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or preferred Creative Commons license (and not limited to those aspects). We do not tolerate harassment of conference participants in any form. This kind of behavior is not appropriate for WikiConference USA. Conference participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled from the conference at the discretion of the event organizers.
We expect participants to follow these policies at all event venues and related social events.
Definition of Harassment
Harassment includes, but shall not be limited to, offensive verbal comments related to gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, political affiliation, or religion.
Harassment also includes the non-contextual display of sexual images, deliberate intimidation, stalking, unwelcome following, harassing photography or recording, sustained disruption of talks or other events, inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention.
Participants asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply immediately.
Corrective Action
Conference Organizers are responsible for ensuring this policy is followed. If any Conference Organizer is concerned about the conduct of an individual, or receive a complaint, he or she will take action appropriate to the situation. In some cases this might be a private warning to the person concerned asking them to change their behavior. In more serious cases, it may be necessary to ask someone to leave. If necessary, Conference Organizers will involve the staff of the venue where the event is being held, or the police. If you are being harassed, notice that someone else is being harassed, or have any other concerns, please contact a Conference Organizer or member of event staff immediately.
Conference Organizers and event staff will be happy to help participants contact hotel/venue security or local law enforcement, provide escorts, or otherwise assist those experiencing harassment to feel safe for the duration of the event.
Any concerns with the implementation of this policy should be raised with the Conference Director in the first instance.
Poor Kevin,thekohser wrote:According to his Twitter feed, Kevin Gorman missed his 8 AM flight out of New York this morning. Either those Wikipedians partied too hard on Sunday night, celebrating their ban of the Big Bad Troll, or Kevin's recent head injury is still weighing heavy on his sense of temporal awareness.
Kevin Gorman says, "Ouch! That boo-boo on my noggin' is still throbbin'!"
Vigilant wrote: Poor Kevin,
He's already unemployable and he doesn't even realize it.
Triptych, I appreciate the question and the point that you are raising.Triptych wrote:Eagle, what is the basis for your viewpoint here that there was a financial-need-based element to those Wikiconference USA attendees that were gifted with charity dollars? The application form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VAXyVv ... w/viewform) said nothing about that.
The form says that those in that car on the WMF gravy train got those insiders "round-trip travel, accommodations, and some daily living expenses."
Mr. Gorman is the so-far five-year attendee at Berkeley University on a four-year degree program that was getting benefits there somehow because his father was in the military many years ago. It seem to me this is just another "SCORE!!" for him, but I'm happy to be corrected if you really know any better.
And that's not who is getting the travel expenses paid and the scholarships. The money is going to their little IRC buddies.eagle wrote:As to your final point, it is possible that some Movement volunteer would view an expense-paid trip to NYC as a reward for services rendered and for loyality to the cult. But, that is an unavoidable side effect of providing financial aid to attend. Certainly students and basement dwellers generally lack the resources to travel to conferences, so scholarships are a necessary part of attracting a geographically-diverse set of participants.
Eagle, you are wrong, at least regarding the middle-aged men part. Wikimania 2012 gave the moolah-babba-loolah to Beeblebrox who was like 41. Was he "energized" after that? Yeah, he's energized to work on his "fuck off" essay, block more content contributors, and chill on IRC with Lokshin and the rest of the inside administrative crowd doling out charity cash hand over fist to each other. I'm sure there's plenty more cash recipients just like him in there, this stuff should be disclosed.eagle wrote:There is a big difference between the scholarship program for this year's conference and Wikimania 2012. I was actively involved in winning the bid and organizing Wikimania 2012, but did not play a role in this year's conference. Both conferences served to energize Wikipedia editors throughout the USA. Both conferences were primarily funded by grants from WMF.
As to your final point, it is possible that some Movement volunteer would view an expense-paid trip to NYC as a reward for services rendered and for loyality to the cult. But, that is an unavoidable side effect of providing financial aid to attend. Certainly students and basement dwellers generally lack the resources to travel to conferences, so scholarships are a necessary part of attracting a geographically-diverse set of participants. Middle-aged men with resources (Donald Trump, Michael Bloomberg, Greg Kohs...) generally did not receive scholarships, but none of them applied for one.
Nonsense. There is a far better way, called "travel equalization," it's what Alcoholics Anonymous uses for the World Service Conference. Expenses are paid, not by the AA General Service Office, but by Area organizations, and that is part of the design of AA, what made it so spectacularly successful in its field. All Areas, no matter where located, pay the same conference registration, and then the GSO distributes this money to pay travel expenses.Triptych wrote:eagle wrote:Certainly students and basement dwellers generally lack the resources to travel to conferences, so scholarships are a necessary part of attracting a geographically-diverse set of participants.
A mere 2600 editors? And merely "blocked"?The central achievement cited by Beeblebrox in his successful run for Arbcom was that he has blocked 2600 editors. Why wouldn't an organizer like you get him that good travel, accommodations, and incidentals pay-off for his Washington DC visit?
Hey, Greg, how about tossing me some of that vast fortune? Or maybe you could get me a reduced rate with Comcast, your pricing becomes horrible after the attractive initial offer expires?Oh, and I'm sure Kohser enjoys you lumping him in there with Trump and Bloomberg.
Abd wrote:Hey, Greg, how about tossing me some of that vast fortune?
That's strange; I've heard the same comments about Verizon FiOS.Abd wrote:Or maybe you could get me a reduced rate with Comcast, your pricing becomes horrible after the attractive initial offer expires?
Abd, find another isp with an introductory offer. Then call Comcast and say you are switching providers, and ask if they will consider giving you another introductory offer to keep you as a customer. There is a good chance they will, depending on where you live. I've done this regularly with different isps and have saved over a thousand dollars in the last decade. When isps are competing with introductory offers in an area, this is the price they pay. As a consumer you have every right to benefit from it. Don't be afraid of switching.Abd wrote:... Hey, Greg, how about tossing me some of that vast fortune? Or maybe you could get me a reduced rate with Comcast, your pricing becomes horrible after the attractive initial offer expires?
