Missing Articles — Low-hanging Fruit?

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:16 am

I'm still waiting on a couple hundred Medal of Honor lists and articles to be created myself. I still have lists of tens of thousands of articles that need to be created on virtually every topic that will probably never get written.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:30 am

Carcharoth wrote:I had other things to do and not enough time to do the topic justice?

There are some articles I create, some I just point out they are missing. It was interesting that this one got created so quickly. If Yngvadottir is reading, thanks for creating that. What I'd missed was that it had been deleted back in 2007, when the article was as follows:

Raymond Vernon the author of the Product Life Cycle theory used to explain International Trade and Foreign Direct Investement
I'm going to go and thank Yngvadottir properly, and annoy ping the users that tagged and deleted the stub back in 2007. They may even thank me for that...

(I followed up something from 2008 the other day - I'm still trying to find an excuse to follow up on things from over 10 years ago - it is not as rare as you would think to find people who were around 10 years ago still here.)

PS. I obviously wield greater power to get articles created than Greg!

There's an obvious answer to that, which I shall leave as an exercise for our casual readers.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:34 am

I am going to take this opportunity to keep my opinions to myself! I will be sitting in my room quietly thinking about my actions and how my mother told me if you cannot say something nice don't say nothing at all!

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:06 am

Carcharoth wrote:...you would think to find people who were around 10 years ago still here.)

PS. I obviously wield greater power to get articles created than Greg!

You may be more powerful than I am, but at least I know which website I'm on when I'm typing.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:07 pm

And most of those people who stick around for 10 years are admins. Because all the editors have to follow the rules and eventually some POV pushing admin who doesn't finds an excuse to ban them, block them or otherwise drive the editors from the site because they edited one of the admins articles or pet project areas.

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:43 pm

Etherium is apparently one of the top-rated real-time strategy games for 2015, but it doesn't have an article in WP that I could find. Kind of surprises me because, along with roads and highways and hurricanes, I thought WP's video game cabal was one of the most obsessive groups of editors in making sure everything topic-related had an article.

Add: Offworld Trading Company

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:50 pm

Cla68 wrote:Etherium is apparently one of the top-rated real-time strategy games for 2015, but it doesn't have an article in WP that I could find. Kind of surprises me because, along with roads and highways and hurricanes, I thought WP's video game cabal was one of the most obsessive groups of editors in making sure everything topic-related had an article.

And porn stars and Soccer/international football players. You forgot about those.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:55 pm

The same can be said about "The Floor is Jelly." It has an entry on TV Tropes, but not on Wikipedia. The Floor is Jelly is a non-standard indie platformer for the PC, which has been praised for its originality.

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:54 pm

Johnny Au wrote:The same can be said about "The Floor is Jelly." It has an entry on TV Tropes, but not on Wikipedia. The Floor is Jelly is a non-standard indie platformer for the PC, which has been praised for its originality.

If the video game cabal is fading away on WP, then I think that's another sign that the decline of the editor base is in full swing.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:03 pm

Cla68 wrote:If the video game cabal is fading away on WP, then I think that's another sign that the decline of the editor base is in full swing.

Either that or it's getting more mature and less obsessed with juvenile topics. Well, we can hope. Actually, as the base declines, are the more mature and stable types, ones genuinely there to build an encyclopaedia, likely to be the last to go?

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:59 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Cla68 wrote:If the video game cabal is fading away on WP, then I think that's another sign that the decline of the editor base is in full swing.
Either that or it's getting more mature and less obsessed with juvenile topics. Well, we can hope. Actually, as the base declines, are the more mature and stable types, ones genuinely there to build an encyclopaedia, likely to be the last to go?

Actually, that gives me an idea. Perhaps a series of blog posts on the history and current status of WP's most infamous, nominally apolitical cabals- roads and highways, hurricanes, video games, pokemon, etc?

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:20 pm

Cla68 wrote:Actually, that gives me an idea. Perhaps a series of blog posts on the history and current status of WP's most infamous, nominally apolitical cabals- roads and highways, hurricanes, video games, pokemon, etc?

'Twould be good.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:11 pm

Cla68 wrote:
Poetlister wrote:
Cla68 wrote:If the video game cabal is fading away on WP, then I think that's another sign that the decline of the editor base is in full swing.
Either that or it's getting more mature and less obsessed with juvenile topics. Well, we can hope. Actually, as the base declines, are the more mature and stable types, ones genuinely there to build an encyclopaedia, likely to be the last to go?
Actually, that gives me an idea. Perhaps a series of blog posts on the history and current status of WP's most infamous, nominally apolitical cabals- roads and highways, hurricanes, video games, pokemon, etc?

Don't forget asteroids as well, along with modern Anglophone works of speculative fiction (including fantasy, sci-fi, horror, superhero, and alt history) and modern animation (both of the Japanese variety and of the Anglophone variety).

JCM · Unread post by **JCM** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:58 pm

For what little it might be worth, and it probably ain't much, I am beginning to develop slightly better feelings toward the road geeks. Pretty much by definition, the WMF is incapable of creating an atlas or similar, because of copyright problems in reproducing an existing atlas and the amount of detail involved. So Wikiatlas does not now and probably never will exist. Such content would be relevant somewhere, however, and, much as I might dislike it, narrative descriptions as per wikipedia is probably easier and more accessible than any similar effort on one of the other WMF sites might be.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:34 pm

The WMF could use OpenStreetMaps, which is the most comprehensive open source cartographic website.

JCM · Unread post by **JCM** » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:00 pm

Johnny Au wrote:The WMF could use OpenStreetMaps, which is the most comprehensive open source cartographic website.

They might, if that material didn't already exist on that site, but I don't see the WMF basically copying more or less completely someone else's existing content in that wide an area.

Having said that, yeah, it certainly would be possible for the WMF to just say OpenStreetMaps exists, and does it better, and that on that basis there is no need to basically copy it. But it might at this point be a bit too late for that.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:29 am

JCM wrote:
Johnny Au wrote:The WMF could use OpenStreetMaps, which is the most comprehensive open source cartographic website.
They might, if that material didn't already exist on that site, but I don't see the WMF basically copying more or less completely someone else's existing content in that wide an area.

Having said that, yeah, it certainly would be possible for the WMF to just say OpenStreetMaps exists, and does it better, and that on that basis there is no need to basically copy it. But it might at this point be a bit too late for that.

You might say the same about a lot of stuff on Wikisource. If it's already available on the web, why copy it to Wikisource? The argument is that they can enrich the content by linking it to other things.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:06 pm

A genuinely surprising omission is Graham Kalton, who is in my opinion one of the world's top ten living statisticians. Generations of market researchers have learnt about surveys from Moser and Kalton.

He's the chairman of Westat (T-H-L), so is not unknown to article editors.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Thu May 05, 2016 2:37 pm

Poetlister wrote:A genuinely surprising omission is Graham Kalton, who is in my opinion one of the world's top ten living statisticians. Generations of market researchers have learnt about surveys from Moser and Kalton.

He's the chairman of Westat (T-H-L), so is not unknown to article editors.

Westat has an employee who used to tend to their article on Wikipedia: Klkennedy (T-C-L). Another example of a female editor on Wikipedia who was told to stop her activity.

They have a long, long history of manipulating the Wikipedia article to appear as they want it. So, it's not just Ms. Kennedy's issue.

SB_Johnny · Unread post by **SB_Johnny** » Wed May 18, 2016 2:24 am

Google, if you will, Viktor Burakov.

Viktor Burakov (T-H-L) isn't about the guy in the google results, but rather is just a stub about some athlete.

WP is worthless for anything that happened before 2006 or so.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:12 pm

Roxy Sternberg, a fairly well-known actress with more than enough media coverage to pass GNG. She is about to appear in a major new TV series "Emerald City". This may be a diversity issue, of course.

Kingsindian · Unread post by **Kingsindian** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:22 am

La Trahison des Clercs, also known as The Treason of the Intellectuals, a famous book by Julien Benda (T-H-L), whose article is little more than a stub. The French Wikipedia pages for the book and the author are much more detailed.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:28 am

"Spit mask" or "Spit hood". There are loads of news stories about the police use of them in both the US and UK, and even a few (unlinked) references on Wikipedia.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:35 am

Wikipedia should have an article about Maxus (band) (T-H-L), but there's a systemic bias against early-80s Toto-esque session-musician smooth rock.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:31 am

Poetlister wrote:Roxy Sternberg, a fairly well-known actress with more than enough media coverage to pass GNG. She is about to appear in a major new TV series "Emerald City". This may be a diversity issue, of course.

I've added it to Women in Red's list of undone topics — although they don't have an Actors category, so the red link might be lost in an unvisited cul de sac.

RfB

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:32 am

thekohser wrote:Wikipedia should have an article about Maxus (band) (T-H-L), but there's a systemic bias against early-80s Toto-esque session-musician smooth rock.

For good reason!

RfB

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:42 am

Randy from Boise wrote:
Poetlister wrote:Roxy Sternberg, a fairly well-known actress with more than enough media coverage to pass GNG. She is about to appear in a major new TV series "Emerald City". This may be a diversity issue, of course.
I've added it to Women in Red's list of undone topics — although they don't have an Actors category, so the red link might be lost in an unvisited cul de sac.

RfB

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:55 pm

Missing from Wikipedia is Luisa Beccaria (T-H-L), a dress designer who wardrobed Lily Cole recently, much to the horror of a fashion critic at The Mirror.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:53 pm

Also missing is Erik Kain (T-H-L), pop culture writer for Forbes.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:45 am

thekohser wrote:Missing from Wikipedia is Luisa Beccaria (T-H-L), a dress designer who wardrobed Lily Cole recently, much to the horror of a fashion critic at The Mirror.

She's lucky. That event would now dominate the article, especially if there's a CC-licensed photo available.

Eclipsed · Unread post by **Eclipsed** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:26 am

Missing: Richard Symonds (T-H-L) (but oh my, what should the disambiguated name be? Richard Symonds (wikipedian) (T-H-L) ? )

starter refs:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-12181483
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -last.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/13 ... imedia_uk/

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:31 pm

Eclipsed wrote:Missing: Richard Symonds (T-H-L) (but oh my, what should the disambiguated name be? Richard Symonds (wikipedian) (T-H-L) ? )

Richard Symonds (naval officer)? Richard Symonds (political activist)?

Carcharoth · Unread post by **Carcharoth** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:11 pm

People here like space stuff, what about articles on various NASA managers?

http://www.astronautix.com/t/thompsonfloyd.html
http://history.nasa.gov/Apollo204/floyd.html

Current articles:

Floyd James Thompson (T-H-L)
Floyd Thompson (lawyer) (T-H-L)

There are quite a lot of these managers at various levels. Not sure where the notability begins and ends.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:59 pm

Carcharoth wrote:People here like space stuff, what about articles on various NASA managers?

http://www.astronautix.com/t/thompsonfloyd.html
http://history.nasa.gov/Apollo204/floyd.html

Current articles:

Floyd James Thompson (T-H-L)
Floyd Thompson (lawyer) (T-H-L)

There are quite a lot of these managers at various levels. Not sure where the notability begins and ends.

I don't know if any of them would be covered by WP:PROF. If not, it's just WP:GNG, a few substantial articles in newspapers.

Carcharoth · Unread post by **Carcharoth** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:40 pm

Sure. I think sometimes it may be more a function of the primary article title being taken first by other people with the same name. People sometimes don't check and think something is a blue link when it should be a red link.

Jack James (rocket engineer) (T-H-L)
Robert J. Parks (T-H-L)

Those are two examples where I created articles in my periodic outbursts of frustration at 'notable' sportspeople and minor politicians cybersquatting on a common name. The rocket engineers/managers are probably not any more notable, but they are probably more interesting to read about...

(Not to mention the school board members: Robert D. Parks (T-H-L))

Cedric · Unread post by **Cedric** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:25 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Eclipsed wrote:Missing: Richard Symonds (T-H-L) (but oh my, what should the disambiguated name be? Richard Symonds (wikipedian) (T-H-L) ? )
Richard Symonds (naval officer impostor)? Richard Symonds (political activist)?

FTFY

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:01 pm

Carcharoth wrote:Those are two examples where I created articles in my periodic outbursts of frustration at 'notable' sportspeople and minor politicians cybersquatting on a common name. The rocket engineers/managers are probably not any more notable, but they are probably more interesting to read about...

That's the demography of the "community" for you. Maybe most of them are mor einterested in obscure politicians than obscure rocket engineers.

Botto · Unread post by **Botto** » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:03 am

There really should be an article for Weyland-Yutani Corporation. There previously was, but nearly every article in that project, save for the films, are absolute garbage, so I can see why it was deleted.

greyed.out.fields · Unread post by **greyed.out.fields** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:28 am

Looking at Anthony Williams (T-H-L), Antony Williams (technologist) (T-H-L) is a red-link.

"Antony Williams (technologist), English physicist, Microsoft software architect, designer of OLE and COM, see Component Object Model", says the disambiguation page.

Even I am familiar with Object Linking and Embedding (T-H-L), and I quite frankly can't distinguish computer science from magic.

Surely there should be a Wikipedia article about him?

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:43 am

greyed.out.fields wrote:Looking at Anthony Williams (T-H-L), Antony Williams (technologist) (T-H-L) is a red-link.

"Antony Williams (technologist), English physicist, Microsoft software architect, designer of OLE and COM, see Component Object Model", says the disambiguation page.

Even I am familiar with Object Linking and Embedding (T-H-L), and I quite frankly can't distinguish computer science from magic.

Surely there should be a Wikipedia article about him?

The other redlink on that page is "Tony Williams (swimmer), (born 1938), Sri Lankan Olympic swimmer". However, he doesn't seem to have won a medal so he's probably not notable.

hack · Unread post by **hack** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:02 pm

Awash rail disaster (T-H-L)

Worst rail crash in African history, killed over 400 people, in the top ten most deadly rail crashes in the world.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-14/ ... n-official

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:08 pm

hack wrote:Awash rail disaster (T-H-L)

Worst rail crash in African history, killed over 400 people, in the top ten most deadly rail crashes in the world.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-14/ ... n-official

You'd think the train freaks would be all over that. Maybe they're also racist?

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:11 pm

hack wrote:Awash rail disaster (T-H-L)

Worst rail crash in African history, killed over 400 people, in the top ten most deadly rail crashes in the world.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-14/ ... n-official

Guess what? Hi, Yngvadottir.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:43 am

Poetlister wrote:
hack wrote:Awash rail disaster (T-H-L)

Worst rail crash in African history, killed over 400 people, in the top ten most deadly rail crashes in the world.

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-14/ ... n-official
Guess what? Hi, Yngvadottir.

Complete with proper sources!

That should make it to WP:DYK (T-H-L).

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:54 am

Here's another missing article: Bylina (overture) (T-H-L)

It's an overture by Vasily Kalinnikov (T-H-L).

Here it is:

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:26 pm

Missing from Wikipedia is Communications Test Design, Inc. (T-H-L), a company with about 14,000 employees globally.

What is amusing to me is that CTDI purchased a company called Regenersis, which doesn't have a Wikipedia article either. But Regenersis has a business unit called Blancco Technology Group plc (T-H-L), which does have a Wikipedia article. And that business unit further has a division called Blancco (T-H-L), which also has a Wikipedia article. So, a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a company merits an article (authored by SPA Cascadeuse (T-C-L), of course), but nobody's bothered to write one about the much, much larger parent company itself.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:29 pm

thekohser wrote:Missing from Wikipedia is Communications Test Design, Inc. (T-H-L), a company with about 14,000 employees globally.

What is amusing to me is that CTDI purchased a company called Regenersis, which doesn't have a Wikipedia article either. But Regenersis has a business unit called Blancco Technology Group plc (T-H-L), which does have a Wikipedia article. And that business unit further has a division called Blancco (T-H-L), which also has a Wikipedia article. So, a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a company merits an article (authored by SPA Cascadeuse (T-C-L), of course), but nobody's bothered to write one about the much, much larger parent company itself.

You get what you pay for...

RfB

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:18 pm

Andrew Harvey is a Fellow of the British Academy and emeritus professor of econometrics at Cambridge. To mark his 65th birthday there was a conference at Oxford in his honour. Clearly, he easily passes WP:PROF. Further, he has been mentioned in the press a few times so he probably passes WP:GNG too.

Carcharoth · Unread post by **Carcharoth** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:37 am

Poetlister wrote:Andrew Harvey is a Fellow of the British Academy and emeritus professor of econometrics at Cambridge. To mark his 65th birthday there was a conference at Oxford in his honour. Clearly, he easily passes WP:PROF. Further, he has been mentioned in the press a few times so he probably passes WP:GNG too.

Ah, but he has a common name, so there is less likelihood of a red link appearing to alert people to the absence of the article.

Andrew Harvey (religious writer) (T-H-L)
Andrew Harvey (journalist) (T-H-L)
Andrew Harvey (politician) (T-H-L)

Having said that, there are no redlinks for the emeritus professor of econometrics. Which articles would he be mentioned in on Wikipedia? What could be said about him that would justify him being mentioned in other articles? The only article I could find was Kalman filter (T-H-L), where he is already present (twice) in the references. Should he or his work be mentioned in Econometrics (T-H-L)? Judging that is not easy and requires more than a passing knowledge of the area.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:29 pm

Carcharoth wrote:Which articles would he be mentioned in on Wikipedia? What could be said about him that would justify him being mentioned in other articles? The only article I could find was Kalman filter (T-H-L), where he is already present (twice) in the references. Should he or his work be mentioned in Econometrics (T-H-L)? Judging that is not easy and requires more than a passing knowledge of the area.

One of his books is referenced in the James Durbin (T-H-L) article. He should certainly be mentioned in Seasonal adjustment (T-H-L), as he has developed a technique not mentioned in the article. Yes, the age-old problem on Wikipedia: experts needed.