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User_talk:Fæ#Personal_attacks
User_talk:Alison#Fae - includes the statement with regard to my motivation: "It is obvious that a handful of people are trying to use Commons to get attention, money, or some other benefit that is outside the purview of this community. It is obvious that they will make whatever nasty comments and threats to ensure that they can continue."

Outsider wrote:I am having great difficulty in not having sympathy for anyone in an argument with Ottava.

Anroth wrote:Surely at best, there would be 10 quality photos which may be of use to an encyclopedia. But 400? Did he do ANY culling or did he just plug his memory card (probably free from WMUK) straight into commons?

Midsize Jake wrote:

Anroth wrote:Surely at best, there would be 10 quality photos which may be of use to an encyclopedia. But 400? Did he do ANY culling or did he just plug his memory card (probably free from WMUK) straight into commons?

Well, let's do the math here. How long would such an event last - maybe between 3 and 5 hours? So let's simplify and say 4 hours; that's 100 pictures per hour, assuming he took them himself (and he'd have to at least say he did, for licensing purposes). That's almost 2 shots per minute. But most likely he's taking them in bursts of about 5-7 photos per minute, and then he takes breaks of several minutes between bursts while he goes off to some other part of the crowd for a different view.

So let's guesstimate that each burst-period lasts about 5 minutes - that's about 30 photos each time, or one shot every 10 seconds, so he'd need about 13 bursts to get to 400 shots. That doesn't seem so unreasonable, I suppose, unless you're looking for quality over quantity of course. Also, depending on the camera, he'd probably run out of battery power after about 250-300 shots. It's possible he went in with a full charge, made it to 400 and gave up when the battery died - but given his propensity for this sort of thing, he almost certainly brought a spare battery with him. In fact, probably more than one spare battery.

TBH, I've never personally known anyone who would take that many photographs of a single 4-hour event who wasn't being paid to do so, but admittedly, in the digital-camera era you're much more likely to see that than you would have been in the film/chemical era. Still, that's a whole lotta shots, and the likelihood that he did any culling of the results is almost certainly nil.

Malleus wrote:I'm quite certain that's not the only thing you have great difficulty with.

Zoloft wrote: During my 12-day trip to Japan in 2009, using my Canon Rebel, posing each shot and checking exposure and such (museums are NOT going to let you use flash) I took 400 pictures during my entire trip. I rejected 100 shots from that amount.

Anroth wrote:

Zoloft wrote: During my 12-day trip to Japan in 2009, using my Canon Rebel, posing each shot and checking exposure and such (museums are NOT going to let you use flash) I took 400 pictures during my entire trip. I rejected 100 shots from that amount.

I am guessing of the 300 you had left, they were well spaced out geographically/culturally? Not 300 high quality pictures of Wagyu cattle getting massaged...

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Vigilant wrote:Ruh roh, Raggy!
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.p ... d=99581269

Did Ottava win this particular round?

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Sure looks like a ragequit.

lilburne wrote: Why not just take it at face value that he's going to be spending the next few days tied up in some dungeon.

Hex wrote:

lilburne wrote: Why not just take it at face value that he's going to be spending the next few days tied up in some dungeon.

How many times will it take for you and other people here to learn that belittling people for the way they enjoy themselves in bed is stupid, unpleasant and pointless?

Penyulap's use of Cry-wolf.png cartoon as a personal attack[edit]
Re: File:Cry-wolf.png a political cartoon by Carlos Latuff, intentionally controversial for its anti-Semitic intent and anti-Semitic motifs.
I strongly and formally object to Penyulap's inappropriate and offensive repeated insertion of an anti-Semitic cartoon in the above discussion despite my clear objection to this being highly offensive to many contributors. This is blatant trolling, intended to inflame discussion and disrupt any consensus building on this noticeboard. I am openly Jewish and openly gay. I, and others, take Penyulap's drawing parallels between Ottava Rima's false allegations about accusations of homophobia and a cartoon about anti-Semitism as deliberately and maliciously both general defamation against Jewish and LGBT contributors to this project. It is a highly abusive direct personal attack intended to create a hostile environment and drive me and others away from making contributions here. This cartoon may be used on Commons in context, just as we expect appropriate use of explicit sexual material or material that may be unlawful in some countries, use of an anti-Semitic cartoon for harassment or defamation runs directly counter to The Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. websites Terms of Use.
I request that Penyulap is, again, barred from contributing to Administrator noticeboards, or all noticeboards for a month or longer while there is a risk that they will abuse contributors in this way. This will give them the opportunity to acknowledge their behaviour is unacceptable for Wikimedia Commons and they are required to make a firm commitment to change their approach of using "jokes" as a poorly veiled means of harassing other contributors, if they wish to contribute positively to creating content in a cooperative and collegial manner for this project. --Fæ (talk) 10:00, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

You know, I really am tired of people calling Carlos Latuff's works anti-semitic. You people do realize that "semitic" applies to Arabs as well? There's a big different between being Anti-Israel and Anti-all jews. You can support Israel, not support Israel or whatever else but calling people who are critical of Israel "anti-semitic" is incredibly disingenuous. Fry1989 eh? 16:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Vigilant wrote:
WHAT?! A voice of sanity on Commons?!

You know, I really am tired of people calling Carlos Latuff's works anti-semitic. You people do realize that "semitic" applies to Arabs as well? There's a big different between being Anti-Israel and Anti-all jews. You can support Israel, not support Israel or whatever else but calling people who are critical of Israel "anti-semitic" is incredibly disingenuous. Fry1989 eh? 16:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Fry, of all people, hits the nail on the fucking head and exposes Ashley for the lying little pot stirrer that he is.

Comment Without getting into whether or not this, that, or something else entirely is/isn't antisemitic/etc., it's pretty clear that the cartoon was used as an attack on Fae's particular line of argument, rather than being "personal". In fact there's probably a reasonable case for saying "rinse, lather, repeat" when describing this particular subthread about that particular usage of the cartoon, but it would probably be a bit to subtle for some tastes. --SB_Johnny talk 17:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Vigilant wrote:I'd rather take advice from a randomly selected middle schooler.

Vigilant wrote:I don't think that "listening to words of wisdom" from PinkAmpersand has much value in this conversation. I'd rather take advice from a randomly selected middle schooler.

Outsider wrote:Well, he seems to be doing OK for himself.

Midsize Jake wrote:

Outsider wrote:Well, he seems to be doing OK for himself.

Considering he claims to be gay, I'd say he's actually doing pretty badly!

Zoloft wrote:

Minor child, guys?

SB_Johnny wrote:

Zoloft wrote:

Minor child, guys?

I removed the one post with the pic (sorry, Vigilant).

I do hope you realize that Michael Maggs's subpage is not allowed within policy nor standard in any way. If you have any particular messages you think I stated that show that I deserve to be banned, please show them. I am an academic in real life and I have created a lot of featured content across the WMF sites. I also was one of the main organizers of Wikiversity. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] 23:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

SB_Johnny wrote:I removed the one post with the pic (sorry, Vigilant).

Midsize Jake wrote:

SB_Johnny wrote:I removed the one post with the pic (sorry, Vigilant).

If you're going to remove the photo, you have to remove the posts too, don't you? Removing the photo eliminates the context of what I posted, making that comment sound far more homophobic than it actually was.



(For the benefit of readers, the photo showed Mr. PinkAmpersand, a male teenager, in a boat with four fairly attractive teenaged girls.)

Zoloft wrote:I forgot to give SB_Johnny my axe.

Zoloft wrote:

Midsize Jake wrote:

SB_Johnny wrote:I removed the one post with the pic (sorry, Vigilant).

If you're going to remove the photo, you have to remove the posts too, don't you? Removing the photo eliminates the context of what I posted, making that comment sound far more homophobic than it actually was.



(For the benefit of readers, the photo showed Mr. PinkAmpersand, a male teenager, in a boat with four fairly attractive teenaged girls.)

I forgot to give SB_Johnny my axe.

Midsize Jake wrote:

SB_Johnny wrote:I removed the one post with the pic (sorry, Vigilant).

If you're going to remove the photo, you have to remove the posts too, don't you? Removing the photo eliminates the context of what I posted, making that comment sound far more homophobic than it actually was.

Vigilant wrote:Here we go.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Comm ... nal_attack

Let's play both the Jew and the Gay cards.

Penyulap's use of Cry-wolf.png cartoon as a personal attack[edit]
Re: File:Cry-wolf.png a political cartoon by Carlos Latuff, intentionally controversial for its anti-Semitic intent and anti-Semitic motifs.
I strongly and formally object to Penyulap's inappropriate and offensive repeated insertion of an anti-Semitic cartoon in the above discussion despite my clear objection to this being highly offensive to many contributors. This is blatant trolling, intended to inflame discussion and disrupt any consensus building on this noticeboard. I am openly Jewish and openly gay. I, and others, take Penyulap's drawing parallels between Ottava Rima's false allegations about accusations of homophobia and a cartoon about anti-Semitism as deliberately and maliciously both general defamation against Jewish and LGBT contributors to this project. It is a highly abusive direct personal attack intended to create a hostile environment and drive me and others away from making contributions here. This cartoon may be used on Commons in context, just as we expect appropriate use of explicit sexual material or material that may be unlawful in some countries, use of an anti-Semitic cartoon for harassment or defamation runs directly counter to The Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. websites Terms of Use.
I request that Penyulap is, again, barred from contributing to Administrator noticeboards, or all noticeboards for a month or longer while there is a risk that they will abuse contributors in this way. This will give them the opportunity to acknowledge their behaviour is unacceptable for Wikimedia Commons and they are required to make a firm commitment to change their approach of using "jokes" as a poorly veiled means of harassing other contributors, if they wish to contribute positively to creating content in a cooperative and collegial manner for this project. --Fæ (talk) 10:00, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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How many times will it take for you and other people here to learn that belittling people for the way they enjoy themselves in bed is stupid, unpleasant and pointless?

Mancunium wrote:It's entirely possible to play more than just the Jew and the Gay cards simultaneously. Here is Harold, performed by the great Leonard Frey, playing with a straight flush in the 1970 film The Boys in the Band.

I agree with Hex:

How many times will it take for you and other people here to learn that belittling people for the way they enjoy themselves in bed is stupid, unpleasant and pointless?

The majority of Americans also agree. In the major cities of North America and Europe it would be hard to find any educated person who is homophobic or antisemitic (but perhaps I am moving in the wrong circles).

I am an academic in real life

I also was one of the main organizers of Wikiversity.

Company Description: Carroll Families is distributed to daycare facilities, elementary schools, area libraries, family-service businesses and organizations, physicians' offices, area convenience stores and other locations across the county. No part of the publication or this website may be reproduced or re-printed without written permission of Landmark Community Newspapers of Maryland, Inc. We hope you enjoy Carroll Families.

Jeffrey Peters Religion Columnist Carroll County Times |

I am often asked for my opinion on matters of church government, traditions and doctrines of faith, and the transition from Pope Benedict to Pope Francis has increased the amount of inquiries. I try to base my view on patterns in history and remove my own personal feelings when answering because I feel that there are too many who substitute their own opinion for reality.

The religious forecasting by many writers seems more akin to sports gambling than an honest discussion of faith. I have read many columnists who have made some of the most outrageous of predictions for little reason than to stir up their audience or to push a fringe view. It is disappointing to see the church treated in such a manner....

Vigilant wrote:Well, it's nice to see that Ottava has a real life job, too.
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Jeffrey-Peters/1326864186

Company Description: Carroll Families is distributed to daycare facilities, elementary schools, area libraries, family-service businesses and organizations, physicians' offices, area convenience stores and other locations across the county. No part of the publication or this website may be reproduced or re-printed without written permission of Landmark Community Newspapers of Maryland, Inc. We hope you enjoy Carroll Families.

He's a sad, little man living a sad, little life.

His only real benefit is that he, occasionally, riles the wikipediots.

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/searc ... rey+peters

My favorite editorial start so far

Jeffrey Peters Religion Columnist Carroll County Times |

I am often asked for my opinion on matters of church government, traditions and doctrines of faith, and the transition from Pope Benedict to Pope Francis has increased the amount of inquiries. I try to base my view on patterns in history and remove my own personal feelings when answering because I feel that there are too many who substitute their own opinion for reality.

The religious forecasting by many writers seems more akin to sports gambling than an honest discussion of faith. I have read many columnists who have made some of the most outrageous of predictions for little reason than to stir up their audience or to push a fringe view. It is disappointing to see the church treated in such a manner....

I can tell you, Jeffrey, that nobody has EVER asked for your opinion twice.

I can say that the repeal of DOMA and the upholding of the appellate strike down of California Proposition 8 were made just a tiny bit more sweet knowing that Jeffrey Peters was losing his FUCKING mind while it happened.

Moonage Daydream wrote:The Carroll County Times is extremely progressive when it comes to religion. They have a roster of five religion columnists. All Christian. What more could you ask for?

Moonage Daydream wrote: The Carroll County Times is extremely progressive when it comes to religion. They have a roster of five religion columnists. All Christian. What more could you ask for?

HRIP7 wrote:

Moonage Daydream wrote: The Carroll County Times is extremely progressive when it comes to religion. They have a roster of five religion columnists. All Christian. What more could you ask for?

Ahem: Rabbi Amy R. Scheinerman, Carroll County Times: Death penalty ignores image of God in man

I have it from a good source that editorial policy in the Carroll County Times is that writers from any religion that has a congregation in the area are welcome.

Vigilant wrote:

HRIP7 wrote:

Moonage Daydream wrote: The Carroll County Times is extremely progressive when it comes to religion. They have a roster of five religion columnists. All Christian. What more could you ask for?

Ahem: Rabbi Amy R. Scheinerman, Carroll County Times: Death penalty ignores image of God in man

I have it from a good source that editorial policy in the Carroll County Times is that writers from any religion that has a congregation in the area are welcome.

Do you suppose there is a congregation of people as silly as Jeffrey Peters?

That's a frightening proposition.

Vigilant wrote:

HRIP7 wrote:

Moonage Daydream wrote: The Carroll County Times is extremely progressive when it comes to religion. They have a roster of five religion columnists. All Christian. What more could you ask for?

Ahem: Rabbi Amy R. Scheinerman, Carroll County Times: Death penalty ignores image of God in man

I have it from a good source that editorial policy in the Carroll County Times is that writers from any religion that has a congregation in the area are welcome.

Do you suppose there is a congregation of people as silly as Jeffrey Peters?

That's a frightening proposition.