Little Green Rosetta

[DanMurphy]

Wasn't the fact that Ashley Van Haeften got involved in negatively editing the Adam's biography after his sock change from "Ash" to "Fae" mentioned at his RFC? I think it was.

I mainly remember his involvement in the Karrine Steffans (T-H-L) biography, where he linked a streaming porn site showing her having sex as an encyclopedic source.

Ah, my mistake. Different minor porn scandals. Apologies.

[TungstenCarbide]

There are potential criminal and/or civil legal ramifications with this situation.
I am waiting for contact from an outside person.

I can say with utter confidence that I know that LGR and Fasttimes68 are the same person.
I know this person's name, address, phone number, employer, parents, etc, etc.

You guys have seen my work.

I have no qualms saying that this person is worse than Qworty.

Good work on this Vigilant and Eric (and whoever else was behind the scenes). Don't suppose an arbcom thank you is forthcoming?

[Midsize Jake]

Ah, so Arbcom privately came to the conclusion that the guy is a dangerous stalker (as in actual, physical stalking) and banned him in a star chamber-ike process.

Probably, but technically they wouldn't have required evidence of the "actual, physical" part to ban the account, given that they had sufficient IP-address evidence to show "ban-evasion" (which they clearly did - if folks on this site could find some, they must have had many times as much to work with). Or at least, they've never required that in the past.

Anyway, I agree, good work on this one by Mr. Vigilant and Mr. Barbour, among others. I was wrong to doubt you guys... even after all these years, I guess I'm still either too gullible or too optimistic (or both) for this stuff.

[Moonage Daydream]

Ah, so Arbcom privately came to the conclusion that the guy is a dangerous stalker (as in actual, physical stalking) and banned him in a star chamber-ike process.

Probably, but technically they wouldn't have required evidence of the "actual, physical" part to ban the account, given that they had sufficient IP-address evidence to show "ban-evasion" (which they clearly did - if folks on this site could find some, they must have had many times as much to work with). Or at least, they've never required that in the past.

Anyway, I agree, good work on this one by Mr. Vigilant and Mr. Barbour, among others. I was wrong to doubt you guys... even after all these years, I guess I'm still either too gullible or too optimistic (or both) for this stuff.

I wonder how long it will take for Silver Seren or someone to start asking why this user was blocked and demanding that they be unblocked? Isn't that the obligatory next step?

[lilburne]

Ah, so Arbcom privately came to the conclusion that the guy is a dangerous stalker (as in actual, physical stalking) and banned him in a star chamber-ike process.

Probably, but technically they wouldn't have required evidence of the "actual, physical" part to ban the account, given that they had sufficient IP-address evidence to show "ban-evasion" (which they clearly did - if folks on this site could find some, they must have had many times as much to work with). Or at least, they've never required that in the past.

Anyway, I agree, good work on this one by Mr. Vigilant and Mr. Barbour, among others. I was wrong to doubt you guys... even after all these years, I guess I'm still either too gullible or too optimistic (or both) for this stuff.

I wonder how long it will take for Silver Seren or someone to start asking why this user was blocked and demanding that they be unblocked? Isn't that the obligatory next step?

Already started on Canens page.

[NaymanNoland]

Brilliant work.

I feel blessed: the two ugliest people I've encountered since joining Wikipedia have been squashed like bugs, all in less than a week.

(I guess I should offer up something to Baal in gratitude. Maybe a roast suckling pig, on a bed of crispy socks?)

[Smiley]

on commons.

[thekohser]

(I guess I should offer up something to Baal in gratitude. Maybe a roast suckling pig, on a bed of crispy socks?)

You can send a donation to help cover server costs for Wikipediocracy.com.

(Only half-joking.)

[Vigilant]

I'm sorry to have kept you all waiting.
I've had this for a few days, but I made a promise to someone that I would not release it until something else happened offsite.


Here's the daisy chain. It's pretty clear.

Little green rosetta logs into IRC and makes a mistake by going through an unprotected computer. Their IP address is shown in the entry log.

EricBarbour posted it in the LGR thread

07:02 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@173-13-206-173-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en
07:02 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@173-13-206-173-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host]
07:02 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en

The IP address (173.13.206.173) resolves to http://www.expertchoice.com. They have an IP range from .160 to .175. Only .163 and .173 are active.

The principal at Expert Choice is Ernest Forman. He's all over their webpages.

Tracking through the contributions of the .173 address, you come across a diff
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =446691643

Where did you learn that the subject wants the page removed? --[[Special:Contributions/173.13.206.173|173.13.206.173]] ([[User talk:173.13.206.173|talk]]) 18:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Where did you learn that the subject wants the page removed? --[[User:Fasttimes68|Fasttimes68]] ([[User talk:Fasttimes68|talk]]) 18:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

that conclusively links .173 to User:Fasttimes68.

FT68 was indef blocked for COI/stalking on the Stephanie Adams article.
There were scads of (at least 5) paid editors, several of which admitted to being paid to edit the article.

Given some offsite information, I looked a bit more pointedly at one person.

Digging through linkedIn yields two profiles for Michael Forman at ExpertChoice.
VP and Owner.
Went to George Washington University.

Michael Forman searches yields his connections to Ernest Forman, his two houses in Virginia, one of which is 1.5 miles from the offices of ExpertChoice.

His birthdate is 1968.
Fasttimes68.
Which connected ExpertChoice and Michael Ross Forman pretty tightly.
There are many, many other references to Fasttimes/Fasttimes68 which tie back to Michael Forman. Car clubs, movies, music (Frank Zappa, naturally) and other logins all over the internet.

Back to wikipedia:

Fasttimes68's last edit
00:54, 8 August 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+221)‎ . . Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard ‎ (→‎Stephanie Adams)

LGR's first edit
14:22, 11 August 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Shenandoah Valley Music Festival ‎ (→‎2012 Summer Lineup: Adding/removing wikilink(s))

Digging around some more and I hit this.
http://instablogg.com/UKISjCM
(http://imgur.com/7CtoBj1) snapshot

Someone got really pissed at him 23 Mar 2012 or thereabouts.
It's a picture from a blog called mikeinasia.

UPDATE: Blog is removed as of this morning!!!
Google cache has it. Suffice it to say that I have copies.
http://mikeinseasia.blogspot.com/

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YUtuDpANFx8/S ... mohawk.jpg
(http://imgur.com/2sJY60w)
Note the balding. In 2008, he's 40.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YUtuDpANFx8/S ... nohair.jpg
(http://imgur.com/nGvxXt6)
It's him.

From the news:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/lesb ... mBOB5RRFgK

Five months after the excessive-force award, she received a threatening e-mail on her birthday, July 24.

“It said, ‘Happy Death Day,’ and (that) he wouldn’t rest until I was dead,” Adams said. “It was a racist thing.”

From that article, the police took the threats very seriously.
Not that FT68 was ARBCOM banned only 2 weeks after that email.

I'm convinced this guy is a predator.

[TungstenCarbide]

The principal at Expert Choice is Ernest Forman. He's all over their webpages.

edit, strike that

[DanMurphy]

Not only that, what kind of sicko hates Bangkok, the second greatest cuisine city in Asia?

Also, does he look just like Mike Myers as Dr. Evil after the head shaving, or is it me?

[Vigilant]

The principal at Expert Choice is Ernest Forman. He's all over their webpages.

edit, strike that

Why?

Michael Forman is his son, is a VP at the company, but doesn't appear anywhere.
Without the last name it's not really possible to nail down who this guy is.
It might have been an open wifi, go the apologists.

Michael Forman has access to the internal network at Expert Choice.
That's a key piece of evidence.
What's more, as CEO/Founder of ExpertChoice, Ernest has responsibility for what happens on his network.

[Vigilant]

Not only that, what kind of sicko hates Bangkok, the second greatest cuisine city in Asia?

OK, now I MUST know. In your opinion, what's the greatest cuisine city in Asia?

[DanMurphy]

Not only that, what kind of sicko hates Bangkok, the second greatest cuisine city in Asia?

OK, now I MUST know. In your opinion, what's the greatest cuisine city in Asia?

Ah, someone bit (the real point of the comment, though this may lead to thread derailment; if so, apologies).

Kuala Lumpur.

This is not a conventional choice. But I strongly believe this.

[Vigilant]

Not only that, what kind of sicko hates Bangkok, the second greatest cuisine city in Asia?

OK, now I MUST know. In your opinion, what's the greatest cuisine city in Asia?

Ah, someone bit (the real point of the comment, though this may lead to thread derailment; if so, apologies).

Kuala Lumpur.

This is not a conventional choice. But I strongly believe this.

For me, it was Shanghai.

[NaymanNoland]

Sweet Revenge, I wonder whether you've revisited your notion that these people are just ordinary Internet creeps. I mean it's nice to contain multitudes and all, but I'm not sure that even Whitman would have felt comfortable containing a homophobic, violently racist stalker.

We can disagree about the exceptionality of Qworty's creepiness - you think he's scum; I think he's The Scum of the Earth - but our friend Rosetta is not just the average pissant troll. He's a fucking gargoyle.

And sorry - while I respect the desire to see humanity in everyone - not everyone is a fucking gargoyle.



EDIT: For my part, I more than agree that this gargoyle should be outed. It's not easy to be more loathsome than Qworty, but somehow he pulled it off.

[TungstenCarbide]

The principal at Expert Choice is Ernest Forman. He's all over their webpages.

edit, strike that

Why?...

sorry, edited that post to strike my own dumb comment, didn't mean yours.

By the way, at the bottom of the page it says I can delete my posts. How do I do that? just edit and delete all the text and the post will disappear?

[TungstenCarbide]

From the news:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/lesb ... mBOB5RRFgK

Five months after the excessive-force award, she received a threatening e-mail on her birthday, July 24.

“It said, ‘Happy Death Day,’ and (that) he wouldn’t rest until I was dead,” Adams said. “It was a racist thing.”

From that article, the police took the threats very seriously.
Not that FT68 was ARBCOM banned only 2 weeks after that email.

I'm convinced this guy is a predator.

According to the news article the guy was a "hate-spewing ... unemployed, 30-something blogger", whereas Michael Forman is a VP at his dad's company.

Am I missing something?

[Midsize Jake]

Am I missing something?

You wouldn't be the first!

I found a couple of misogynistic comment postings by "Mike in SE Asia" on a couple of tabloid-news sites, here and here. They don't prove anything in themselves other than the misogyny, but combined with everything else...

[The Devil's Advocate]

According to the news article the guy was a "hate-spewing ... unemployed, 30-something blogger", whereas Michael Forman is a VP at his dad's company.

Am I missing something?

Well, it would hardly be the first time the media got something wrong. Being a VP at a small company run by his father could effectively be little different from being unemployed in appearance and 30-something vs. 40-something is not an unlikely slip.

[SB_Johnny]

Maybe I missed it, but is there a link to the Arbcom statement about this?

[The Devil's Advocate]

Maybe I missed it, but is there a link to the Arbcom statement about this?

I don't think there was one. They just took him out back, put two in the back of his head, and buried him in the woods.

[DanMurphy]

Maybe I missed it, but is there a link to the Arbcom statement about this?

There is no arbcom statement. Not for the first account. Not for the second. And for the third? (And fourth? etc...)

[Cla68]

I really doubt the ArbCom will publicly thank this site for giving them the info they needed to put two-and-two together and 86 this guy from WP until he creates his new account in a few days.

[Vigilant]

On a finishing up note, since we've seen how thorough and diligent the SPI team is at wikipedia, with the prime example being the utter clusterfuck with Qworty, I'd like to ask that someone who is still of-the-body insist that a full SPI/CU check be run on LGR.

There's some cursory work being done here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Lo ... eus_Canens
but it needs a full case and deep cleaning.

[Vigilant]

Here's some other information that someone else dug up.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mike.forman.3 (His earliest posting is from 2008 about being in Vietnam)

Look, I have your birthday

November 20, 2012 at 8:37pm
Happy Birthday Mike!!!!!

Ain't facebook grand?

Your friends list is VERY interesting. Ten other Formans on your list. I wonder what they'd think of your online stalking shit?

MSDN: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums ... 87b2b5c1b/ (fasttimes and "D:\forman.mike\trunk..." path)

AWS dev forum: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/profile.j ... rID=227237 (email and alternate handle of Hank T. Cat)

FatWallet: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/off-topic/1159161/ (Fasttimes says he calls himself "Hank T. Cat")

Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2 ... aya_bb_pdp (Hank T. Cat from Arlington, plus reviews can be correlated with other postings)


My new motto:
Burn it to the waterline

[Moonage Daydream]

My new motto:
Burn it to the waterline

This calls for a musical interlude while Mike removes everything from their Facebook account...

[Vigilant]

Making the expert choice connection clearer
http://www.bizapedia.com/people/MICHAEL-FORMAN.html

Principal Name: Michael Ross Forman (Secretary)
Company Name: Expert Choice, Inc.
Status: Active Filing Date: 01/09/2009
Entity Type: Foreign Corporation File Number: F177789
Filing State: Virginia (VA) Registered Agent: Michael Forman

[Volunteer Marek]

On a finishing up note, since we've seen how thorough and diligent the SPI team is at wikipedia, with the prime example being the utter clusterfuck with Qworty, I'd like to ask that someone who is still of-the-body insist that a full SPI/CU check be run on LGR.

There's some cursory work being done here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Lo ... eus_Canens
but it needs a full case and deep cleaning.

It does but they're gonna do it on the quiet to avoid another Qworty-like cf. Just keep checking the block logs of arbs and arb-friends and you can probably line up all the sockpuppets.

It would serve as a good lead in and a follow up to the Qworty story: "To avoid controversy Wikipedia takes out the subjects, puts two in their head and buries their bodies so that the press doesn't hear of it". It's like the mafia taking care of its own business with regard to the people who broke the code. "You are no longer useful to us. You have become a liability" Who was that character on Sopranos that killed a prostitute in a cocaine inspired rage and Tony ended up having to take care of him? It's like that.

[DanMurphy]

On a finishing up note, since we've seen how thorough and diligent the SPI team is at wikipedia, with the prime example being the utter clusterfuck with Qworty, I'd like to ask that someone who is still of-the-body insist that a full SPI/CU check be run on LGR.

There's some cursory work being done here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Lo ... eus_Canens
but it needs a full case and deep cleaning.

It does but they're gonna do it on the quiet to avoid another Qworty-like cf. Just keep checking the block logs of arbs and arb-friends and you can probably line up all the sockpuppets.

It would serve as a good lead in and a follow up to the Qworty story: "To avoid controversy Wikipedia takes out the subjects, puts two in their head and buries their bodies so that the press doesn't hear of it". It's like the mafia taking care of its own business with regard to the people who broke the code. "You are no longer useful to us. You have become a liability" Who was that character on Sopranos that killed a prostitute in a cocaine inspired rage and Tony ended up having to take care of him? It's like that.

You're thinking of Ralph Ciferreto (thought it wasn't how it went down, exactly).

[Volunteer Marek]

On a finishing up note, since we've seen how thorough and diligent the SPI team is at wikipedia, with the prime example being the utter clusterfuck with Qworty, I'd like to ask that someone who is still of-the-body insist that a full SPI/CU check be run on LGR.

There's some cursory work being done here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Lo ... eus_Canens
but it needs a full case and deep cleaning.

It does but they're gonna do it on the quiet to avoid another Qworty-like cf. Just keep checking the block logs of arbs and arb-friends and you can probably line up all the sockpuppets.

It would serve as a good lead in and a follow up to the Qworty story: "To avoid controversy Wikipedia takes out the subjects, puts two in their head and buries their bodies so that the press doesn't hear of it". It's like the mafia taking care of its own business with regard to the people who broke the code. "You are no longer useful to us. You have become a liability" Who was that character on Sopranos that killed a prostitute in a cocaine inspired rage and Tony ended up having to take care of him? It's like that.

You're thinking of Ralph Ciferreto (thought it wasn't how it went down, exactly).

Yeah, I think I'm confusing my mafia movies/tv. It's still "like that" though.

[Bielle]

Here's some other information that someone else dug up.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mike.forman.3 (His earliest posting is from 2008 about being in Vietnam)

Look, I have your birthday

November 20, 2012 at 8:37pm
Happy Birthday Mike!!!!!

Ain't facebook grand?

Your friends list is VERY interesting. Ten other Formans on your list. I wonder what they'd think of your online stalking shit?

MSDN: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums ... 87b2b5c1b/ (fasttimes and "D:\forman.mike\trunk..." path)

AWS dev forum: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/profile.j ... rID=227237 (email and alternate handle of Hank T. Cat)

FatWallet: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/off-topic/1159161/ (Fasttimes says he calls himself "Hank T. Cat")

Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2 ... aya_bb_pdp (Hank T. Cat from Arlington, plus reviews can be correlated with other postings)


My new motto:
Burn it to the waterline

Did you notice that his friend gave him some FB "Happy Socks for Men" for his birthday present. Made me laugh.

[Sweet Revenge]

My new motto:
Burn it to the waterline

Jesus Christ, friend. If I ever get on your wrong side I'm going to drop all my computers off the pier and pretend I never even heard of the internet. You're scary. Good scary, but scary.

[mac]

Did you notice that his friend gave him some FB "Happy Socks for Men" for his birthday present. Made me laugh.

Lol'd hard.

[EricBarbour]

Nice work, Vig. Once again, a "clever Wikipedia warrior" turns out to be a thick-headed incompetent, easily discovered.

Make a summary and pass it on to Andrew Leonard.

[Vigilant]

I went searching to see if wikipedia had ever taken steps to find Michael Ross Forman's socks.

I started with this search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... l&redirs=1

All I could find is Fasttimes68 spending time prosecuting suspected sockpuppets.
Perhaps SPI/CU types should routinely run an SPI on each person reporting a sockpuppet.

This was Qworty's MO as well.

What a piece of shit

Wikistalking The edit to "death by burning" could be construed as a threat. Fasttimes68 (talk) 17:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC) Fasttimes68 (talk) 17:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Co ... ions/PoWGY

12:12, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+26)‎ . . User:Fasttimes68 ‎
12:11, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . Keep It Up ‎
12:10, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . Death by burning ‎
12:09, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+9)‎ . . White trash ‎
12:08, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . Unemployment ‎
12:07, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . Obsessed ‎
12:06, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+11)‎ . . Stalker ‎

Funny message.

And another
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Co ... anksgiving

12:35, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . White trash ‎ (Keep it up.)
12:34, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Yahoo! ‎ (DC-------)
12:32, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . New York City Police Department ‎ (Arrest if you don't stop.)
12:30, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+6)‎ . . Mike ‎ (Nobody)
12:28, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+269)‎ . . Talk:Nigger ‎ (→‎"Niggardly" hatnote: Record)
12:23, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Fairfax, Virginia ‎ (Home)
12:22, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Black cat ‎ (Hank)
12:20, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Death ‎ (Dead)

This page is funnier than shit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... asttimes68

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fasttimes68
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[Vigilant]

Am I missing something?

You wouldn't be the first!

I found a couple of misogynistic comment postings by "Mike in SE Asia" on a couple of tabloid-news sites, here and here. They don't prove anything in themselves other than the misogyny, but combined with everything else...

Dude's a sexual tourist as well.
Color me shocked.

[The Devil's Advocate]

It does but they're gonna do it on the quiet to avoid another Qworty-like cf. Just keep checking the block logs of arbs and arb-friends and you can probably line up all the sockpuppets.

It would serve as a good lead in and a follow up to the Qworty story: "To avoid controversy Wikipedia takes out the subjects, puts two in their head and buries their bodies so that the press doesn't hear of it". It's like the mafia taking care of its own business with regard to the people who broke the code. "You are no longer useful to us. You have become a liability" Who was that character on Sopranos that killed a prostitute in a cocaine inspired rage and Tony ended up having to take care of him? It's like that.

Great minds think alike.

[Volunteer Marek]

...
Perhaps SPI/CU types should routinely run an SPI on each person reporting a sockpuppet.

This was Qworty's MO as well.

I've said before, only half-jokingly, that any user who participates at ANI, AE, AN, makes themselves a part of an ArbCom case, comments at other people's RfCs, comments at more than 5 RfAs, comments at more than 10 AfDs or makes it their purpose in life to frequent Jimbo's talk page, should get their ass automatically checkusered, with a whole bunch of fishing going on.

Yeah, it's a bit 1984ish, though note that "sockpuppets" (sic) like those of Peter Damian, who just quietly improve articles would not be affected. It'd be the Qworties, the LGRs as well a whole bunch of POV warriors who use these boards as a weapon against their opponents (stupidly provided to them by the very bureaucracy which claims to want to stamp out these POV wars) that'd get caught in the net. And a whole bunch of devious admin-secrettrolls.

It's either that (Option 1) or:

Option 2: Require registration combined with flagged revision
Option 3: Set up the "Committee to Catch and Expose Abusive Asshole Accounts on Wikipedia" with Vigiliant and Tarantino as co-chairs, given that they've got the chops as far as this goes.

Of course none of this will happen, but if we were to assign probabilities to these options, I'm not sure which one, 1, 2 or 3, is actually the most likely.

[Vigilant]

...
Perhaps SPI/CU types should routinely run an SPI on each person reporting a sockpuppet.

This was Qworty's MO as well.

I've said before, only half-jokingly, that any user who participates at ANI, AE, AN, makes themselves a part of an ArbCom case, comments at other people's RfCs, comments at more than 5 RfAs, comments at more than 10 AfDs or makes it their purpose in life to frequent Jimbo's talk page, should get their ass automatically checkusered, with a whole bunch of fishing going on.

Yeah, it's a bit 1984ish, though note that "sockpuppets" (sic) like those of Peter Damian, who just quietly improve articles would not be affected. It'd be the Qworties, the LGRs as well a whole bunch of POV warriors who use these boards as a weapon against their opponents (stupidly provided to them by the very bureaucracy which claims to want to stamp out these POV wars) that'd get caught in the net. And a whole bunch of devious admin-secrettrolls.

It's either that (Option 1) or:

Option 2: Require registration combined with flagged revision
Option 3: Set up the "Committee to Catch and Expose Abusive Asshole Accounts on Wikipedia" with Vigiliant and Tarantino as highly paid co-chairs, given that they've got the chops as far as this goes.

Of course none of this will happen, but if we were to assign probabilities to these options, I'm not sure which one, 1, 2 or 3, is actually the most likely.

Missed out one bit.
Could it be piecework? Where we get paid by the number of edits an asshole has at the time of the deliverance...

[Peter Damian]

Still trying to understand Fasttimes' angle. There is a massive discussion at ANI here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... Off2riorob (prior to archive) which gives some background.

I was doing some digging into this and found a blog from Fasttimes68 here where he describes Stephanie Adams as a twat. Ironically, in the ten or so minutes from me finding this and deciding to post about it, the blog entry has disappeared, though it does show up in a google searches. The blog was about a lawsuit Adams filed against a different blogger and is titled Stephanie Adams is a twat. Fasttimes68 also just left a note on User talk:Silver seren here linking to yet another extremely anti-Stephanie Adams blog. I don't think someone who is so obviously biased against a subject should be editing an article on her. AniMate 15:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

We can ask an editor who conducts off-wiki attacks against a living person to leave that person's WP BLP alone. User:Bill Huffman is an example. He runs an attack site on Derek Smart. ArbCom asked him (not ordered him) to leave the Smart article alone. He has since abandoned that account and started another one (which name is unknown to me), but, as far as I know, is holding to the agreement not to mess with the Smart article. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask Fasttimes not to edit BLPs of people he disparages in his blog. How does it make WP look when it comes out that we allow people who bollock real people on the Internet to edit their BLPs? Cla68 (talk) 22:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cla68. I've started a thread at WT:BLP to discuss whether it would make sense to add a paragraph to the BLP policy saying that individuals running attack sites or disparaging blogs on living people should not edit their biographies in Wikipedia. --JN466 23:10, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

By the way, most of the recent editing that has caused complaints from the User:GODDESSY sock pool was not done by Fasttimes68, but by a VA Comcast IP, 69.143.17.59. Based on editing style, they don't seem to be the same person, but if you have doubts file a SPI, neither are stale. FuFoFuEd (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

And yet another ANI thread, April 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... sockpuppet...

[Peter Damian]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... asttimes68 yet another ANI, July 2012]

I categorically deny any COI with the subject. Never met her, plan too, care too. AFAIK I've never met or communicated anyone associated with her (outside of the article space). Please provide evidence of any COI you think that may exist. Additionally, I'm having some connectivity issues so please allow me up to 24 hours to respond to further posts. Fasttimes68 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

That's a squirm if ever I saw one. Your COI certainly doesn't stem from knowing her; it stems from the off-site attack pages you wrote about her. --Errant (chat!) 08:25, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

What attack site? Storing URLs from third party sites hardly constitutes an attack site. That entire "site" was a one page blog which was a cut and paste of URLs some of which weren't considered RS of which I wanted to save for later to see if an RS would collaborate. This "attack site" bullshit has beend bandied about before. Produce some evidence or kindly desist with this particular accusation. Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You wrote a blog post impugning her (the title of which was discussed here). So quit with the nonsense. --Errant (chat!) 21:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

That entire blog was cut and paste from several third party sites. Not one word was mine. Even the god dammed title was from another site. The whole puprose was to save some informatioso for later. So what contributions of mine HERE do you have issue with, and of which you have threatened to block me? Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

If you're "saving it for later," you have a hard drive. By publishing them, you've staked a claim in the debate. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 14:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Oppose, oh Heavens no. If everyone will slow down here and look at the history of this article, it looks like FT68 is one of only a few editors who is actively trying to uphold policy on this page and keep a slew of blocked editors and IPs (who may very well be the same person) from turning it into a promotional fluff piece. This entire section was started by what appears to be an IP of the returning troublemaker, so to reward him by removing the only editor who cares enough about the article to keep his promotional efforts away would be ridiculous. If you want to make this situation better, then watchlist the page yourself and assist in keeping the page up to policy. FT68 appars to have a pretty clean block log (1 block in 2009, nothing recent) and allegations of his COI need to be shown and proven with diffs of bad edits. Saying he hates the subject because of something he's allegedly written offline isn't sufficient without evidence it's carrying over to Wikipedia. So far, I don't see any links to those. FT68 could use some help with his editing at times, sure, but blocking him because no one else shows up to protect a BLP page is very short-sighted. NobleDarkling (talk) 20:44, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

New editor, first edit here, second edit above. Now, I'm all for WP:AGF, but really, is this the same editor as FT68 etc etc? Not suggesting a check user should be run but then again.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

There is around 6 years of history here. Fasttimes68 has some ridiculous fascination with the article, and the subject (or at least someone representing her) has been clashing with him for some time. As an example of the sort of attitude he has; he wrote a blog post attacking Adams, which was then deleted when last discussed to try and avoid scrutiny of his position. There was vague agreement he should stay away from the article last time (see link above). A couple of us have been dealing with this "nonsense" for some time now. To be clear; his actions on that article almost always, even if they are within the bounds of policy, create hours of administrative work behind the scenes. Polite requests to let others deal with the matter are met with inexplicable obstinance. I understand the holier-than-thou attiude, but get involved and it will wear you down also. --Errant (chat!) 21:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Strongest possible support Fasttimes68 has been fixated on Stephanie Adams for years. He's made a point to link to off-site blogs attacking her, and went so far as to write one himself. When someone has had such a strong, negative opinion about someone, it seems like common sense to remove them from the article. AniMate 21:28, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I too find NobleDarkling's entry into this unusual, being a new user. Someone who might be inclined to believe in conspiracies might think that someone might be trying to create the appereance of me socking. Is it possible to create a SPI on yourself? Or if somoene could do it for me, that would be appreciated. Fasttimes68 (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

23:57, 10 July 2012 DeltaQuad (talk | contribs) blocked NobleDarkling (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Abusing multiple accounts: Someones sock clearly, hard to tell who it belongs to though.)

[Peter Damian]

OK the quotes below make it pretty clear why FT68 was banned. See in particular the warning from Brad. It's clearly a complex case with all sorts of grey shades. Stephanie Adams is paying editors to massage a vanity article. FT68 wants the article cut down or deleted. See his nomination for deletion here [hyperlink]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... omination)[/hyperlink] .

However FT68 takes the whole thing to the point of obsession, including at least one offsite attack. Having refused to back down, the Committee bans him.

What's the story? There is no truth on Wikipedia. An article about a subject is either vanity or revenge. Nothing in between. Delete the lot.

For over six years the Stephanie Adams article, has been abused by prolific sockpuppet User:An-Apple-A-NY-Day, whom despite being banned continues to try and WP:OWN the article. Usually this was attempted by ip and newly created SPA accounts. Over the past month the sockpuppet switched tactics and started using proxies, but those efforts were easily quashed by the SPI team. However, recently the above named editors, all of whom have established accounts, have joined the article and talk page parroting positions of those taken by the sock. For an article that rarely sees new editors to get four of them in such a short period raises concerns that the sockpuppet has switched tactics again and has started to WP:CANVASS. A few brief searches yielded the following possible canvass attempts … Fasttimes68 (talk) 17:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Admin ErrantX made the following request at the Stephanie Adams AfD started by Fasttimes68 a few days ago "Afd is another step in an harassment campaign against the subject. Unfortunately I am away from my computer for th week; but if someone could block fasttimes under BLP sanctions that would be great. If you do block please inform ARBCOM as they are looking into the matter more widely". I assume that ErrantX thought that someone would follow through on that block request. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

(To Fasttimes68) Based on the entire history here, I think it would be highly desirable for you to disengage from further editing concerning this particular individual. Whatever the background might be, there is a reasonable perception that you are actively hostile to this individual, such that issues concerning the content of her biography, and whether she is sufficiently notable to have a biography on Wikipedia, should be left to others. Please advise whether you are willing to step away voluntarily at this point or whether I shall have to pursue a more formal sanction. I repeat that you may contact the Arbitration Committee (of which I am a member) via e-mail if there are aspects of the subject you do not wish to explore on-wiki. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to bring it back to the initial concern for a bit, while I don't know anything about Fasttimes68 and the article, it is worth addressing that at least five editors in recent weeks, and possibly as many as seven, were hired to post comments and edit war on behalf of a third party, who is assumed to be a banned editor. In addition, at least two of those editors were also hired (as confirmed by عباد ديرانية and pointed to by IRWolfie) to organise to have Fasttimes68 banned. This isn't the usual concern of paid editors being asked to edit an article on behalf of a client, but something a lot more problematic. - Bilby (talk) 22:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... anie_Adams

[Vigilant]

There are NO heroes in this story.

I've driven through the madness that is Adam's webpages stored in archive.org.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.

I've looked into the cesspit that is Michael Forman's mind.

Batty: Proud of yourself, little man?
[Batty takes the gun out of Deckard's hand]
Batty: This is for Zhora!
[Batty breaks one of Deckard's fingers]
Batty: This is for Pris!
[Batty breaks another one of Deckard's fingers, puts the gun back into his hand and lets him go]
Batty: C'mon, Deckard. I'm right here, but you've gotta shoot straight!
[Deckard shoots through the hole in the wall and blows one of Batty's ears off]
Batty: Straight doesn't seem to be good enough! Now it's my turn! I'm going to give you a few seconds before I come.

I've watched the wikipedia powers that be fumble this ball so badly and for so long

Deckard: [narrating] I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life; my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.

Wait a minute. There's me!

Batty: Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shoulders... burning with the fires of Orc.

[thekohser]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Co ... ions/PoWGY

12:12, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+26)‎ . . User:Fasttimes68 ‎
12:11, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . Keep It Up ‎
12:10, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . Death by burning ‎
12:09, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+9)‎ . . White trash ‎
12:08, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . Unemployment ‎
12:07, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . Obsessed ‎
12:06, 24 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+11)‎ . . Stalker ‎

Funny message.

And another
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Co ... anksgiving

12:35, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . White trash ‎ (Keep it up.)
12:34, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Yahoo! ‎ (DC-------)
12:32, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . New York City Police Department ‎ (Arrest if you don't stop.)
12:30, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+6)‎ . . Mike ‎ (Nobody)
12:28, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+269)‎ . . Talk:Nigger ‎ (→‎"Niggardly" hatnote: Record)
12:23, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Fairfax, Virginia ‎ (Home)
12:22, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Black cat ‎ (Hank)
12:20, 25 July 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Death ‎ (Dead)

Riffing off a classic.

Shame that the oversighting overlords took out the references to Rachel Marsden and Jimbo Wales.

[tarantino]

Option 3: Set up the "Committee to Catch and Expose Abusive Asshole Accounts on Wikipedia" with Vigiliant and Tarantino as co-chairs, given that they've got the chops as far as this goes.

Someone once suggested on wikipedia that I should be given checkuser. A "functionary" contacted me, and half amused and half serious asked what I thought about that. I told them it would be better for all if I remained outside looking in.

[Vigilant]

Option 3: Set up the "Committee to Catch and Expose Abusive Asshole Accounts on Wikipedia" with Vigiliant and Tarantino as co-chairs, given that they've got the chops as far as this goes.

Someone once suggested on wikipedia that I should be given checkuser. A "functionary" contacted me, and half amused and half serious asked what I thought about that. I told them it would be better for all if I remained outside looking in.

And you didn't even run it by me?
*sob*
*flees room*

[EricBarbour]

Someone once suggested on wikipedia that I should be given checkuser. A "functionary" contacted me, and half amused and half serious asked what I thought about that. I told them it would be better for all if I remained outside looking in.

It's a mess you did not create, and if you do decide to perform checkuser work, you should not do it for free. If they want your help, they should PAY for it. And if they're asking YOU, a total outsider with a reputation for "outing" Wikipedia administrators without their permission, it is a tacit admission that their present checkusers are incompetent. And/or the checkuser system is worthless.

[tarantino]

And you didn't even run it by me?
*sob*
*flees room*

Oh sweetie, that happened before I knew you.

[Vigilant]

And you didn't even run it by me?
*sob*
*flees room*

Oh sweetie, that happened before I knew you.

Oh, sure.
Some floozie functionary flashes their barnstars at you and you swoon.