Wikipediocracy: The Wikipedia article

Unread post by **HRIP7** » Sat May 25, 2013 9:25 pm

The Devil's Advocate wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:Actually, I thought Conti's edit was spot-on ... but it's certainly amusing to witness the convulsions.
Meh, it is a bit too much detail on that matter for my tastes, but I think it warrants mentioning. Not in its own section, but whatever. Kiefer is being a bit of a wild dog at the moment. He's getting the page to resemble something more akin to Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Because of the bong image?

Kiefer.Wolfowitz · Unread post by **Kiefer.Wolfowitz** » Sat May 25, 2013 10:39 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:
The Devil's Advocate wrote: Kiefer is being a bit of a wild dog at the moment.
There's no stopping K-Wolf when he's rolling... He's like a home remodeler with a 24 hour deadline using skills developed in a past career carving grizzly bears from logs with a chainsaw.

Fortunately, it turns out pretty good. But if you get too close to the process when he's working, you're likely to lose some fingers...
RfB

Kiefer like funny Randy man.
Funny Randy man swings a simile like Homer,
but without the nods. Devil's Advocate calls Kiefer "wild dog".
Devil's Advocate makes Kiefer's head hurt.
Devil's Advocate is not Matt Murdock, Kiefer's friend.
Devil's Advocate does not have a nice ass like Charlize Therone.
Kiefer can show Devil's Advocate that Kiefer is not a wild dog.
Kiefer can SMASH!

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sun May 26, 2013 4:50 am

Meanwhile, the crazy 'cat' lady is in full feeding frenzy.

Categories:
* Start-Class Internet culture articles

* Low-importance Internet culture articles

* WikiProject Internet culture articles

* Start-Class Websites articles

* Start-Class Websites articles of Low-importance

* Low-importance Websites articles

* Start-Class Computing articles

* Low-importance Computing articles

* All Computing articles

* All Websites articles

* Start-Class Wikipedia articles

* Low-importance Wikipedia articles

* WikiProject Wikipedia articles

* WikiProject Wikipedia reliability articles

* Start-Class GibraltarpediA-related articles

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Hersch · Unread post by **Hersch** » Sun May 26, 2013 1:09 pm

HRIP7 wrote: But fear not. Even if it is deleted, we still have our article on the Bavarian Wikipedia!

Hey, that's a pretty good article, but holy crap, what a funky language! I didn't even know there was a written version of Bavarian. Ironically enough, once I was in Kiel, way up north in Germany, and a fellow who didn't recognize my strong American accent asked me, "Kommen Sie aus Bayern?" Most people thought I was Dutch.

SB_Johnny · Unread post by **SB_Johnny** » Sun May 26, 2013 3:15 pm

Back at AfD.

DanMurphy · Unread post by **DanMurphy** » Sun May 26, 2013 3:28 pm

Zoloft wrote:Meanwhile, the crazy 'cat' lady is in full feeding frenzy.

Categories:
* Start-Class Internet culture articles

* Low-importance Internet culture articles

* WikiProject Internet culture articles

* Start-Class Websites articles

* Start-Class Websites articles of Low-importance

* Low-importance Websites articles

* Start-Class Computing articles

* Low-importance Computing articles

* All Computing articles

* All Websites articles

* Start-Class Wikipedia articles

* Low-importance Wikipedia articles

* WikiProject Wikipedia articles

* WikiProject Wikipedia reliability articles

* Start-Class GibraltarpediA-related articles

* Low-importance GibraltarpediA-related articles

* GibraltarpediA

What, no "Wikipedia criticism" category? Slackers.

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Sun May 26, 2013 8:07 pm

DanMurphy wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Meanwhile, the crazy 'cat' lady is in full feeding frenzy.

Categories:
* Start-Class Internet culture articles

* Low-importance Internet culture articles

* WikiProject Internet culture articles

* Start-Class Websites articles

* Start-Class Websites articles of Low-importance

* Low-importance Websites articles

* Start-Class Computing articles

* Low-importance Computing articles

* All Computing articles

* All Websites articles

* Start-Class Wikipedia articles

* Low-importance Wikipedia articles

* WikiProject Wikipedia articles

* WikiProject Wikipedia reliability articles

* Start-Class GibraltarpediA-related articles

* Low-importance GibraltarpediA-related articles

* GibraltarpediA
What, no "Wikipedia criticism" category? Slackers.

WO is in that too along with Tom Wolfe and the GNAA.

Category:Critics_of_Wikipedia (T-H-L)

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sun May 26, 2013 11:34 pm

The Joy wrote:WO is in that too along with Tom Wolfe and the GNAA.

Category:Critics_of_Wikipedia (T-H-L)

Not right now. Wikipediocracy keeps appearing and disappearing from that category, despite the continued presence of the [[category]] tag in the article. What a joke.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Mon May 27, 2013 12:00 am

EricBarbour wrote:
The Joy wrote:WO is in that too along with Tom Wolfe and the GNAA.

Category:Critics_of_Wikipedia (T-H-L)
Not right now. Wikipediocracy keeps appearing and disappearing from that category, despite the continued presence of the [[category]] tag in the article. What a joke.

It's the Cheshire cat!

John Tenniel [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Mon May 27, 2013 11:09 am

I thought I saw somewhere that Prioryman had taken the article off his watchlist?

Kiefer.Wolfowitz · Unread post by **Kiefer.Wolfowitz** » Wed May 29, 2013 2:48 pm

A proposal to trawl Wikipedia talk-pages of Wikipedia for editors' discussions of Wikipediocracy has been made by Herostratus and Optimom.

DanMurphy · Unread post by **DanMurphy** » Wed May 29, 2013 3:01 pm

Kiefer.Wolfowitz wrote:
A proposal to trawl Wikipedia talk-pages of Wikipedia for editors' discussions of Wikipediocracy has been made by Herostratus and Optimom.

Well, would be a total disaster (and is against "the rulz")... but if I was writing an article about this website, I would certainly include some of the "on Wikipedia" comment about it (highly relevant). But Wikipedia can't approach article writing in a sane, proportional manner. If crowd-sourcing works for writing articles, it can only work for very, very high profile issues. When it comes to biography, articles about websites, bands, businesses... At least 80 percent of their articles should be tossed out.

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:51 pm

Alright, which one of you clowns posted this?

'Gloria Handerson' wrote: Delete Hello, ok, this might sound a bit weird but I had this dream last night after eating a giant heap of prawns with some mayonnaise that might have gone off and i was in deep sleep and then this hooded figure comes up to me out of the gloom and there is a sound of trumpets and it announces "I am silver seren" and I find myself throwing myself on the floor in a hue of adoration and then silver seren pushes these hands out of the sleeves of the cloak that he is draped in and the hands, instead of human hands, they are the pincers of a gigantic crab, and the voice coming out of silver seren inscribes this website address onto my hand in a pen, and urges me to make haste there in the morning and make a delete note so this dictionary of slander can no longer inflict its woes on the finest enclyclopedia, and then for some reason one of the crab hands cracks open and lots of ice cream sprays out all over the bedroom furniture and silver seren instructs me "get a spoon" and I get a spoon and I try to taste the ice cream but it just tastes of old vegetable oil and then the rest is lost in the mists of the night but when I wake up I find the web address is still on my arm but instead of in pen it is scratched in there like some demon was scratching at my arm with a pin or a knife in the night and I realise none has been in the room but myself and then I remember the details of the dream and so I find myself here and on these instructions I must vote to delete. Gloria Handerson (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:28 pm

Hex wrote:Alright, which one of you clowns posted this?

That is hilarious; I wish I could take credit.

Anroth · Unread post by **Anroth** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:34 pm

Hex wrote:Alright, which one of you clowns posted this?

'Gloria Handerson' wrote: Delete Hello, ok, this might sound a bit weird but I had this dream last night after eating a giant heap of prawns with some mayonnaise that might have gone off and i was in deep sleep and then this hooded figure comes up to me out of the gloom and there is a sound of trumpets and it announces "I am silver seren" and I find myself throwing myself on the floor in a hue of adoration and then silver seren pushes these hands out of the sleeves of the cloak that he is draped in and the hands, instead of human hands, they are the pincers of a gigantic crab, and the voice coming out of silver seren inscribes this website address onto my hand in a pen, and urges me to make haste there in the morning and make a delete note so this dictionary of slander can no longer inflict its woes on the finest enclyclopedia, and then for some reason one of the crab hands cracks open and lots of ice cream sprays out all over the bedroom furniture and silver seren instructs me "get a spoon" and I get a spoon and I try to taste the ice cream but it just tastes of old vegetable oil and then the rest is lost in the mists of the night but when I wake up I find the web address is still on my arm but instead of in pen it is scratched in there like some demon was scratching at my arm with a pin or a knife in the night and I realise none has been in the room but myself and then I remember the details of the dream and so I find myself here and on these instructions I must vote to delete. Gloria Handerson (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

More likely to be prioryman, seren or one of the delete voters. There is absolutely no plus side to a keep voter doing that, and I doubt anyone here (well maybe a couple) would do it for the 'lulz'. It smacks of a variant of a joe job to me.

Unread post by **Peter Damian** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:38 pm

thekohser wrote:
Hex wrote:Alright, which one of you clowns posted this?
That is hilarious; I wish I could take credit.

It did rather have your style, especially the bit about the URL scratched on the arm as though by a demonic entity.

(cur | prev) 12:02, 1 June 2013‎ Only in death (talk | contribs)‎ . . (118,812 bytes) (+1,598)‎ . . (Undid revision 557816548 by Only in death (talk) Actually Self-reverting, let it stand as an example of what a farce this is becoming. This has gone on long enough.) (undo | thank)

(cur | prev) 11:14, 1 June 2013‎ Only in death (talk | contribs)‎ . . (117,214 bytes) (-1,598)‎ . . (Undid revision 557814316 by Gloria Handerson (talk) Obvious trolling is obvious.) (undo | thank)

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:19 pm

Anroth wrote:More likely to be prioryman, seren or one of the delete voters. There is absolutely no plus side to a keep voter doing that, and I doubt anyone here (well maybe a couple) would do it for the 'lulz'. It smacks of a variant of a joe job to me.

It wasn't me.

Unread post by **HRIP7** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:42 pm

SB_Johnny wrote:Back at AfD.

Closed as Keep, by J04n (T-C-L).

The Devil's Advocate · Unread post by **The Devil's Advocate** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:54 pm

HRIP7 wrote:Closed as Keep, by J04n (T-C-L).

Cue Roy Orbison.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:10 am

HRIP7 wrote:Closed as Keep, by J04n (T-C-L).

"140,281 bytes". That's more than twice as large as "Old Man Murray (2nd nomination)" (57,461 bytes). Out of curiosity, what's the largest enwiki AfD page?

Update: "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipediocracy (2nd nomination)" (140,281 bytes) is bigger than "Gay Nigger Association of America (6th nomination)" (99,325 bytes).

86Mookie · Unread post by **86Mookie** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:47 pm

Hex wrote:Alright, which one of you clowns posted this?

'Gloria Handerson' wrote: Delete Hello, ok, this might sound a bit weird but I had this dream last night after eating a giant heap of prawns with some mayonnaise that might have gone off and i was in deep sleep and then this hooded figure comes up to me out of the gloom and there is a sound of trumpets and it announces "I am silver seren" and I find myself throwing myself on the floor in a hue of adoration and then silver seren pushes these hands out of the sleeves of the cloak that he is draped in and the hands, instead of human hands, they are the pincers of a gigantic crab, and the voice coming out of silver seren inscribes this website address onto my hand in a pen, and urges me to make haste there in the morning and make a delete note so this dictionary of slander can no longer inflict its woes on the finest enclyclopedia, and then for some reason one of the crab hands cracks open and lots of ice cream sprays out all over the bedroom furniture and silver seren instructs me "get a spoon" and I get a spoon and I try to taste the ice cream but it just tastes of old vegetable oil and then the rest is lost in the mists of the night but when I wake up I find the web address is still on my arm but instead of in pen it is scratched in there like some demon was scratching at my arm with a pin or a knife in the night and I realise none has been in the room but myself and then I remember the details of the dream and so I find myself here and on these instructions I must vote to delete. Gloria Handerson (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Poor Ms. Handerson was checkusered. Requested by Lukeno94 (T-C-L), of course.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:39 am

Two-way split:

Revenge of the nerds: a Gregory Kohs BLP

The Jimbo Distortion Field

This topic is about the Wikipedia article about Wikipediocracy. Try saying that three times fast.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:24 am

Michaeldsuarez wrote:Out of curiosity, what's the largest enwiki AfD page?

I haven't run across it yet, but 140k is nothing.

"Justin Bieber on Twitter" was 192k bytes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history
"Politics in the British Isles" was 194k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history
The second ED AFD was 213k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history
"CAT1-X Hyperion Gundam series" was 164k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history

Could easily find longer ones, usually Israel/Palestine or other political AFDs are 80k or longer.
This one's a "classic", 2004 and 120k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... _Palestine

Nobody is keeping track, because it's damned embarrassing.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:21 pm

Our old friend from the WR "the Emperor" is attempting to influence the article.

Captain Occam · Unread post by **Captain Occam** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:02 am

Can anyone tell whether this article's going to pass its DYK nomination? The discussion has gone on for over three weeks, which seems longer than usual. I don't have a lot of experience with the DYK process, though, so I don't know whether it's sometimes normal for it to take this long.

The Devil's Advocate · Unread post by **The Devil's Advocate** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:47 am

It is hard to say. The List of Wikipedia controversies article nomination got filled with a bunch of shite and an admin came along to decline it on the basis of a "lack of consensus" and "too controversial" when there was actually broad support for one of the hooks. Some are obviously going for a repeat performance of just fuming as much as possibly to make it look like there isn't as much support for it passing as there is in reality. One can hardly say whether that tactic of stonewalling will be successful again in censoring critical information about the site.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:43 am

It is basically being slowly strangled by one person, Herostratus. Still pathetic after all these years.

Unread post by **Smiley** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:49 am

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:01 pm

Anything that causes Prioryman, Wnt, Russavia, etc heartburn is A-OK with me.

Wer900 · Unread post by **Wer900** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:18 pm

Vigilant wrote:Anything that causes Prioryman, Wnt, Russavia, etc heartburn is A-OK with me.

Captain Occam · Unread post by **Captain Occam** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:30 pm

Can anybody tell when it's going to be featured on Wikipedia's main page? The discussion was closed with the conclusion that it's going to be promoted, but I don't see any mention of when it will be.

Mason · Unread post by **Mason** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:34 pm

Captain Occam wrote:Can anybody tell when it's going to be featured on Wikipedia's main page? The discussion was closed with the conclusion that it's going to be promoted, but I don't see any mention of when it will be.

Keep an eye on Template:Did you know/Queue (T-H-L). You can track its progress there.

DanMurphy · Unread post by **DanMurphy** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:42 pm

I'll be interested to see how much traffic it drives to this site. My guess is, not much (predict a few hundred hits, maybe). Will be an interesting data point for the uses of the main page for promotion and its value either way.

Unread post by **HRIP7** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:09 pm

DanMurphy wrote:I'll be interested to see how much traffic it drives to this site. My guess is, not much (predict a few hundred hits, maybe). Will be an interesting data point for the uses of the main page for promotion and its value either way.

I'm looking forward to seeing those stats as well. It won't be more than a couple of hundred at any rate, and most likely less. I'll be surprised if the article itself gets four-figure views that day.

Of course, if we had something like a dozen mentions on the main page per month, for a prolonged period of time, and a few of them lead DYKs with a picture ...

Captain Occam · Unread post by **Captain Occam** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:46 pm

Mason wrote:Keep an eye on Template:Did you know/Queue (T-H-L). You can track its progress there.

Huh, looks like it's going to happen tonight, if I'm reading that page correctly.

I hope it'll be possible for Wikipediocracy to have a blog post that'll make an especially big impact while it's being mentioned on Wikipedia's main page. The most recent blog posts there currently (about Qworty, editor statistics, posts on Jimbo's talk page, and the problem with Commons) are certainly interesting, but I don't think they have the potential to bring about a significant shift in Wikipedia's culture. While this site is getting a DYK, I think we have a unique opportunity to impact Wikipedia's culture with a hard-hitting blog post, and it would be a shame to not take advantage of that.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz · Unread post by **Kiefer.Wolfowitz** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:25 pm

A blog-post on child-protection is the highest priority.

Sue Gardner is looking or or has found another job and so is especially concerned with her public image. A blog post demanding that Wikipedia adopt the Boy Scout or Girl Scout child-protection standards would be good.

Quotations of chats from IRC and talk pages of adults and children would be topical.

Captain Occam · Unread post by **Captain Occam** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:37 pm

Kiefer.Wolfowitz wrote:A blog-post on child-protection is the highest priority.

Sue Gardner is looking or or has found another job and so is especially concerned with her public image. A blog post demanding that Wikipedia adopt the Boy Scout or Girl Scout child-protection standards would be good.

Quotations of chats from IRC and talk pages of adults and children would be topical.

I agree that's an important topic, but do you think it would be possible to write a blog post about that fast enough? Wikipediocracy apparently will be featured on Wikipedia's main page in less than 12 hours.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:36 am

To help give our new readers more to chew on, made the last five blog posts full length on the home page.

Volunteer Marek · Unread post by **Volunteer Marek** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:24 am

Zoloft wrote:To help give our new readers more to chew on, made the last five blog posts full length on the home page.

Honestly, I doubt it will get you that many new readers. Even if it gets something like 1000 views as a result of the main page exposure (and given the lame hook it will probably be less than that), most of those are gonna come from Wikipedians checking up on it, who are already aware of the forum.

Captain Occam · Unread post by **Captain Occam** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:27 am

Zoloft wrote:To help give our new readers more to chew on, made the last five blog posts full length on the home page.

I think you guys are missing out on a great opportunity. (This is mostly a comment on the discussion that I know is going on among WO's admins. I'm not criticizing you or any other specific person, just the decision-making process in general.)

I think everyone understands that tomorrow is the best possible time to make a blog post that'll have a big impact, but it looks like you're going to end up not posting anything because you can't agree on a topic to post about. Doing nothing because you can't reach a consensus is something I'd expect to happen at Wikipedia, and maybe also in Congress when they're trying to balance the budget, but it wasn't something I'd have expected here.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:34 am

Captain Occam wrote:
Zoloft wrote:To help give our new readers more to chew on, made the last five blog posts full length on the home page.
I think you guys are missing out on a great opportunity. (This is mostly a comment on the discussion that I know is going on among WO's admins. I'm not criticizing you or any other specific person, just the decision-making process in general.)

I think everyone understands that tomorrow is the best possible time to make a blog post that'll have a big impact, but it looks like you're going to end up not posting anything because you can't agree on a topic to post about. Doing nothing because you can't reach a consensus is something I'd expect to happen at Wikipedia, and maybe also in Congress when they're trying to balance the budget, but it wasn't something I'd have expected here.

Leetle bit harsh, dude. We are still writing the next post. And I am stuck in a airliner with computer issues. *plays mournful harmonica tune*

SB_Johnny · Unread post by **SB_Johnny** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:50 am

Zoloft wrote:
Captain Occam wrote:
Zoloft wrote:To help give our new readers more to chew on, made the last five blog posts full length on the home page.
I think you guys are missing out on a great opportunity. (This is mostly a comment on the discussion that I know is going on among WO's admins. I'm not criticizing you or any other specific person, just the decision-making process in general.)

I think everyone understands that tomorrow is the best possible time to make a blog post that'll have a big impact, but it looks like you're going to end up not posting anything because you can't agree on a topic to post about. Doing nothing because you can't reach a consensus is something I'd expect to happen at Wikipedia, and maybe also in Congress when they're trying to balance the budget, but it wasn't something I'd have expected here.
Leetle bit harsh, dude. We are still writing the next post. And I am stuck in a airliner with computer issues. *plays mournful harmonica tune*

We don't really have a long queue of blogs ready to pop up for special occasions, and we don't save the "good ones" for special occasions (if we have a good one, we post it when it's ready).

Submissions are of course welcome any time.

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:02 pm

For posterity, since I know no way of linking to a specific page/template revision combination.

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:38 am

Looks like the article received about 3,000 hits.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:51 am

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The Devil's Advocate · Unread post by **The Devil's Advocate** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:29 pm

It should be noted that List of Wikipedia controversies (T-H-L), which was linked in the DYK entry and in the lede of the WO article, also got a significant bump.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:38 pm

The Devil's Advocate wrote:It should be noted that List of Wikipedia controversies (T-H-L), which was linked in the DYK entry and in the lede of the WO article, also got a significant bump.

Yeah, about 1,000 new viewers, and maybe one or two of them felt compelled to make even inconsequential edits to the article. I thought one of the purposes of DYK is to inspire fresh eyes to apply a new perspective to Wikipedia articles. Ha ha.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz · Unread post by **Kiefer.Wolfowitz** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:24 pm

An administrator named Bbb23 (T-C-L) just blocked me for 24 hours for "edit-warring" on Wikipediocracy (T-H-L).

Mancunium · Unread post by **Mancunium** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:29 pm

Congratulations!

The adjacent DYK pointing to the defamatory WP article on Peter of Greece is based on Célia Bertin's biography of his mother, Marie Bonaparte: a work of mostly fiction which has been analyzed as such by Élisabeth Roudinesco. The book is a good read that goes in the cool-story-bro pile.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:25 pm

thekohser wrote:
The Devil's Advocate wrote:It should be noted that List of Wikipedia controversies (T-H-L), which was linked in the DYK entry and in the lede of the WO article, also got a significant bump.
Yeah, about 1,000 new viewers, and maybe one or two of them felt compelled to make even inconsequential edits to the article. I thought one of the purposes of DYK is to inspire fresh eyes to apply a new perspective to Wikipedia articles. Ha ha.

I suspected that would happen. Far as I can tell, DYK is only closely watched by one type of person:
WP editors trying to get their bloody articles mentioned on DYK.

Please keep in mind, most of Wikipedia's actual consumers of information find their way to a WP article
via Google or other search engines, or WP's own search function. (Wales was once quoted that "60 to 70%' of
Wikipedia's traffic comes from Google.) Despite the page-view statistics, not many people look at the
front page closely -- except Wikipedians.