Wikipedia's 1,000,000-edit editor to be banned

[Mason]

Not Justin/Koavf, but the other one.

ArbCom had banned Rich Farmbrough from using automation, but he's doing it anyway per "ignore all rules." Sandstein is not amused and is proposing a 1-year time out.

Perennial timewaster Kumioko says if the ban passes, he "will be forced to reopen a case appealing it wasting even more of everyones time."

[Anroth]

I wouldnt say 'not amused'. That implies Sandstein has any feelings about it, this is about the most un-emotional block he has considered putting out. He is completely right though, it was quite clear that arbcom were considering a year long break the last time.

I hope he does slap a 1-year on him, if only to provoke Kumioko to open an arbcom case, I have at least an A4 of evidence of Kumis trolling that can just be cut and pasted. His incessant whining about how he cant do this, cant do that etc. He just cant get over that he isnt an admin, and never will be.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Jesus, Rich took that article from 8 kilobytes to 360 in a single edit! He then went in and bumped it all the way up to 400 kilobytes! This is how it looked before and this is how it looks now. All of that, in a single hour. Clearly Rich is a sign of the darkest aspects to the rise of the Wikidroids.

[Poetlister]

Jesus, Rich took that article from 8 kilobytes to 360 in a single edit! He then went in and bumped it all the way up to 400 kilobytes! This is how it looked before and this is how it looks now. All of that, in a single hour. Clearly Rich is a sign of the darkest aspects to the rise of the Wikidroids.

Yes, it's now the second longest article on the whole site. It's also completely pointless; all that is necessary is a link to the data source. (The longest article, List of jōyō kanji (T-H-L), isn't much use either.)

[EricBarbour]

(The longest article, List of jōyō kanji (T-H-L), isn't much use either.)

Not necessarily, it's just difficult if you're trying to learn Japanese. Still one of the world's toughest languages, especially the written form.

Gosh, Batman, I haven't said anything insulting about Sandstein lately. Perhaps he's behaving himself, unlikely as that sounds.

[HRIP7]

The result was a two-month block imposed by Sandstein.

[Mason]

Just two months? We may be seeing a kinder, gentler Sandstein.

[Volunteer Marek]

Just two months? We may be seeing a kinder, gentler Sandstein.

I've said this before but Sandstein's rep is to a significant degree undeserved. It's the cold unemotional robot style ("you violated rule x. The table at the back of my manual says that requires a block of length y. Enacted.") that makes people think he's a hard ass. In terms of actual ban hammering, rather than talk, he's softer than many others, especially at AE.

[Mason]

Speaking of newly banned editors, YouReallyCan (aka Off2RioRob) just got the axe.

He had filed an AN/I complaint about an admin which boomeranged into a site ban when it was noticed he had asked the admin "Are you a Muslim Pakistani?" during the argument.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Speaking of newly banned editors, YouReallyCan (aka Off2RioRob) just got the axe.

He had filed an AN/I complaint about an admin which boomeranged into a site ban when it was noticed he had asked the admin "Are you a Muslim Pakistani?" during the argument.

YRC was actually involved in a noticeboard discussion about whether the Derby sex gang was being used as a "cause for hate-mongering" against Pakistani Muslims by alleging a pattern of child sex-grooming by certain members of that community, and YRC said that this was definitely a pattern and was mentioned in reliable sources so it wasn't just a cause for hate-mongering. Maunus, the admin, attacked him out of the blue about his "ethics" and "double standrds" and YRC basically asked him if he was a Pakistani Muslim and was thus offended because he was close to the subject. Maunus starts exploding at him and then the matter dies, until two days later when YRC closes an ANI discussion about the Derby sex gang and Maunus uncloses it before repeatedly attacking YRC again. YRC reports him for numerous acts of incivility and just generally being a douchenozzle so Maunus pulls the old tu quoque defense with the civility parole kicker by citing the two-day-old comment and then sacrifices his admin bit in exchange for the satisfaction of eliminating a long-standing opponent.

It was met with lots of "he agreed to this restriction" supports, which kind of ignored that during the RfC Prioryman basically pointed a gun called ArbCom at YRC and told him to accept his demands. All in all, a normal day on Wikipedia.

[lilburne]

It was met with lots of "he agreed to this restriction" supports, which kind of ignored that during the RfC Prioryman basically pointed a gun called ArbCom at YRC and told him to accept his demands. All in all, a normal day on Wikipedia.

YRC was dead following the RFC. YRC was never a real player, never had the killer instinct. At any point in time the nasty little shits on that site were bound to get him.

[Hex]

the Derby sex gang

Cross link to related discussion here.

[isaan]

Just two months? We may be seeing a kinder, gentler Sandstein.

I've said this before but Sandstein's rep is to a significant degree undeserved. It's the cold unemotional robot style ("you violated rule x. The table at the back of my manual says that requires a block of length y. Enacted.") that makes people think he's a hard ass. In terms of actual ban hammering, rather than talk, he's softer than many others, especially at AE.

At least Sandstein isn't the cabal type. I'm rather fond of him myself for a personal reason. I made a throwaway nasty remark about someone (though backed by diffs) on an Aricles for Deletion page which was predictably answered by some do-gooder rebuking me for personal attacks or something, and I figured that was that. Sandstein saw it, must have looked at my diffs, and simply indeffed the miscreant without request, fanfare, or discussion.

[Tarc]

Speaking of newly banned editors, YouReallyCan (aka Off2RioRob) just got the axe.

He had filed an AN/I complaint about an admin which boomeranged into a site ban when it was noticed he had asked the admin "Are you a Muslim Pakistani?" during the argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... an_enacted

I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm).

[TungstenCarbide]

Speaking of newly banned editors, YouReallyCan (aka Off2RioRob) just got the axe.

He had filed an AN/I complaint about an admin which boomeranged into a site ban when it was noticed he had asked the admin "Are you a Muslim Pakistani?" during the argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... an_enacted

I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm).

Jesus what a bunch of sniveling whiners.

[EricBarbour]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... an_enacted

I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm).

Jesus what a bunch of sniveling whiners.

Eh, just another day on the Looneytoon Ranch. Point and laugh, that's all you can do.

Bear this in mind: five years ago, AN/I got so much traffic, it was being archived every day or two. Now it takes several days. The arguments are getting longer and more aggressive, thus keeping threads open longer--but there's less traffic overall.

[plix tixiplik]

I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm).

Tarc, the IP editor is none other than Mbz1, evading her community ban and picking the axe up right where she left off [1] [2]. I would have thought you'd have got that from her often repeated mantra that you aren't a human.

[Tarc]

I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm).

Tarc, the IP editor is none other than Mbz1, evading her community ban and picking the axe up right where she left off [1] [2]. I would have thought you'd have got that from her often repeated mantra that you aren't a human.

I was aware of that, yea, especially given the edits to Jimbo's page about the Ukrainian stuff. And now she has outed herself for certain by referencing this post and by drawing attention to her beef with the dreaded "bully" Gwen Gale.

[Volunteer Marek]

Speaking of newly banned editors, YouReallyCan (aka Off2RioRob) just got the axe.

He had filed an AN/I complaint about an admin which boomeranged into a site ban when it was noticed he had asked the admin "Are you a Muslim Pakistani?" during the argument.

YRC was actually involved in a noticeboard discussion about whether the Derby sex gang was being used as a "cause for hate-mongering" against Pakistani Muslims by alleging a pattern of child sex-grooming by certain members of that community, and YRC said that this was definitely a pattern and was mentioned in reliable sources so it wasn't just a cause for hate-mongering. Maunus, the admin, attacked him out of the blue about his "ethics" and "double standrds" and YRC basically asked him if he was a Pakistani Muslim and was thus offended because he was close to the subject. Maunus starts exploding at him and then the matter dies, until two days later when YRC closes an ANI discussion about the Derby sex gang and Maunus uncloses it before repeatedly attacking YRC again. YRC reports him for numerous acts of incivility and just generally being a douchenozzle so Maunus pulls the old tu quoque defense with the civility parole kicker by citing the two-day-old comment and then sacrifices his admin bit in exchange for the satisfaction of eliminating a long-standing opponent.

It was met with lots of "he agreed to this restriction" supports, which kind of ignored that during the RfC Prioryman basically pointed a gun called ArbCom at YRC and told him to accept his demands. All in all, a normal day on Wikipedia.

Eh, YRC made an idiotic comment and Maunus responded in a way which idiotic comments deserve. He then self reverted within minutes and subsequently voluntarily resigned his adminship (if I'm reading this right). Not sure how you can fault Maunus here.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Eh, YRC made an idiotic comment and Maunus responded in a way which idiotic comments deserve. He then self reverted within minutes and subsequently voluntarily resigned his adminship (if I'm reading this right). Not sure how you can fault Maunus here.

Characters such as Maunus are all about creating these types of situations in order to "win" at Wikipedia. I fault Maunus, because Maunus is responsible for creating the situation and is also responsible for aggravating it further.

[jd turk]

I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm).

Eh, YRC got the axe because he has delusions of grandeur. He's a big fan of the "content over civility" way of thought, but he has no content. The only thing he ever did was work at BLP, but his contributions there haven't amounted to that much lately and it's easy to go to ANI and make a case he's far more trouble than he's worth. He can't write a sentence, and he can't let anything go without being a part of a fight. He's better off doing something else with his time.

Tarc, the IP editor is none other than Mbz1, evading her community ban and picking the axe up right where she left off [1] [2]. I would have thought you'd have got that from her often repeated mantra that you aren't a human.

I didn't realize that either. Makes sense though. Man, what a cavalcade of crazy she was. And apparently still is.

[Mathsci]

Eh, YRC made an idiotic comment and Maunus responded in a way which idiotic comments deserve. He then self reverted within minutes and subsequently voluntarily resigned his adminship (if I'm reading this right). Not sure how you can fault Maunus here.

Characters such as Maunus are all about creating these types of situations in order to "win" at Wikipedia. I fault Maunus, because Maunus is responsible for creating the situation and is also responsible for aggravating it further.

Maunus is a talented anthropologist specialising in meso-America. He is an asset to wikipedia. There's no shortage of people to edit or monitor BLPs, so YRC's absence is not a great loss.

[HRIP7]

Eh, YRC made an idiotic comment and Maunus responded in a way which idiotic comments deserve. He then self reverted within minutes and subsequently voluntarily resigned his adminship (if I'm reading this right). Not sure how you can fault Maunus here.

Characters such as Maunus are all about creating these types of situations in order to "win" at Wikipedia. I fault Maunus, because Maunus is responsible for creating the situation and is also responsible for aggravating it further.

Maunus is a talented anthropologist specialising in meso-America. He is an asset to wikipedia. There's no shortage of people to edit or monitor BLPs, so YRC's absence is not a great loss.

The first two statements I believe are quite correct. I disagree with the other two.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Maunus is a talented anthropologist specialising in meso-America. He is an asset to wikipedia. There's no shortage of people to edit or monitor BLPs, so YRC's absence is not a great loss.

There is actually a shortage of people, even when it comes to removing obvious vandalism. Never mind the more subtle POV-pushing on BLPs, which can be much more taxing and time-consuming to address. As for being an asset due to expertise in a specific field, that should not lead to magical immunity in all areas of the site or even in the area relevant to their credentials. Many credentialed editors try to use their real-life status as a get-out-of-jail-free card or a license to kill regardless of where they are acting badly. You have played your credentials many times in your disputes to try and get out of trouble, just like you play Echigo mole or the Deviant Art editors, and it doesn't even have relevance since your problems are nearly always outside your actual area of expertise.

Being "a talented anthropologist specialising in meso-America" does not mean Maunus has a lock on every subject that concerns human beings. No amount of credentials eliminates the potential for bias. If anything, it aggravates existing biases as a credentialed expert will be more self-assured and is likely much better at rationalizing. His attacks on YRC were ignorant and showed a failure to grasp the context of the situation due to his own personal biases, both regarding the subject under discussion and regarding YRC himself. It was not about adding anything of value or doing anything constructive, but was instead all about getting at someone he doesn't like.

[Mathsci]

Maunus is a talented anthropologist specialising in meso-America. He is an asset to wikipedia. There's no shortage of people to edit or monitor BLPs, so YRC's absence is not a great loss.

There is actually a shortage of people, even when it comes to removing obvious vandalism. Never mind the more subtle POV-pushing on BLPs, which can be much more taxing and time-consuming to address. As for being an asset due to expertise in a specific field, that should not lead to magical immunity in all areas of the site or even in the area relevant to their credentials. Many credentialed editors try to use their real-life status as a get-out-of-jail-free card or a license to kill regardless of where they are acting badly. You have played your credentials many times in your disputes to try and get out of trouble, just like you play Echigo mole or the Deviant Art editors, and it doesn't even have relevance since your problems are nearly always outside your actual area of expertise.

Being "a talented anthropologist specialising in meso-America" does not mean Maunus has a lock on every subject that concerns human beings. No amount of credentials eliminates the potential for bias. If anything, it aggravates existing biases as a credentialed expert will be more self-assured and is likely much better at rationalizing. His attacks on YRC were ignorant and showed a failure to grasp the context of the situation due to his own personal biases, both regarding the subject under discussion and regarding YRC himself. It was not about adding anything of value or doing anything constructive, but was instead all about getting at someone he doesn't like.

Maunus adds content in encyclopedic areas, is perceptive and has good powers of judgement. Unlike you.

[Hex]

Maunus adds content in encyclopedic areas, is perceptive and has good powers of judgement. Unlike you.

[SB_Johnny]

Maunus adds content in encyclopedic areas, is perceptive and has good powers of judgement. Unlike you.

Wrong smiley. This is the one you want:

[Hex]

Wrong smiley. This is the one you want:

True dat.

[The Devil's Advocate]

Maunus adds content in encyclopedic areas, is perceptive and has good powers of judgement. Unlike you.

[Captain Occam]

TDA, whenever you're planning to get more involved in race articles I hope you can learn to get along with Maunus, because I think he's more reasonable than most of the debunker types. The difference between him and someone like ArtifexMayhem is that I think Maunus usually cares more about improving the quality of the articles than about making them conform to his own viewpoint, and as a result I was usually able to reach compromises with him, even though he also gets overly emotional sometimes. Something you might not have known is that he was one of the people who opposed Ferahgo being topic-banned from race articles, because at that point she was one of the only people left who cared about the hereditarian viewpoint being adequately represented in the articles, and Maunus was concerned about their viewpoint being shifted to the opposite extreme if ArbCom got rid of her also.

[Mathsci]

TDA, whenever you're planning to get more involved in race articles ....

Internet troll to the rescue

[jd turk]

TDA, whenever you're planning to get more involved in race articles ....

Internet troll to the rescue

Ah, lovely. Can't wait to see how that twisted line of logic plays out.

[Mathsci]

Ah, lovely. Can't wait to see how that twisted line of logic plays out.

Well the Texas furry has made their first edit ever to the talk page. Birds of a feather ...

[Tarc]

Ah, lovely. Can't wait to see how that twisted line of logic plays out.

Well the Texas furry has made their first edit ever to the talk page. Birds of a feather ...

Hm, good luck there. Seren didn't fare so well the last time he dipped a toe into a true Wikipedia hot-button topic area.

(fixed url, you're welcome)