ScottishFinnishRadish goes on a Tban rampage

[ArmasRebane]

Turns out a conversation with Andre is less enlightening than expected, and no dinner is even involved!

[andre]

Turns out a conversation with Andre is less enlightening than expected, and no dinner is even involved!

the only thing we have for dinner is dessert

[Snooper]

ITT dumb motherfuckers

Just checking in so I can get my 'dumb motherfucker' badge and decoder ring.

[andre]

ITT dumb motherfuckers

Just checking in so I can get my 'dumb motherfucker' badge and decoder ring.

Too late. Sold out.
But we have fidget spinners. BOGO.

[MrErnie]

I’m just waiting for SPECIFICO to react.

[Elinruby]

Yeah, replying to this thread again and again is one of the dumbest things I've done in weeks. Although, I did some dumb stuff yesterday

Ok then. Shit happens. But you do realize that the tabloid and the student newspaper you just posted are both about the same thing and your comment on it the other day at Arbcom was ugh antisemites bad?

The Jewish Daily Forward. A newspaper founded in 1897.

it's a lurid tabloid, look at it,

[Elinruby]

The shocking truth about Wikipedia's Holocaust disinformation

Good to see Vorwaerts is still churning... That was the most important Yiddish-language Socialist newspaper back in the day...

"Shocking Truth" is pretty clickbaity in the title. The main argument is cogent, however:

The problem is not the individual arbitrators, nor even ArbCom as a whole; the committee’s mandate is to judge conduct, never content. This is a good policy. We wouldn’t want arbitrators, who are anonymous volunteers with no expertise in any particular subject, to control content. Wikipedia’s strength lies in its enabling anyone to edit, democratizing knowledge like never before.

But this leaves a gaping hole in Wikipedia’s security apparatus. Its safeguards only protect us from fake information when enough editors reach a consensus that the information is indeed fake. When an area is dominated by a group of individuals pushing an erroneous point of view, then wrong information becomes the consensus.

Wikipedia’s structure leaves it vulnerable to be exploited by any small group of people willing to spend the time to control the content, whether they are from a government or a corporation or are simply ideologically driven private individuals.

Here's a link to an academic article co-written by the same author, a history professor, "Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust":

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 23.2168939

FInally, someone cogent! Where have you been all my life!
You and Ming! Man! I love you guys!
Vigilant, you're cool too.
Jake, you're on thin ice, but if you're nice to me, I'll see.

Yes, G&K are very prolific. We already had a whole Arbcom case about this. They don'r understand the reliable sources policy and many of their examples remained uncorrected since 2019. They have been now though and they are still writing about these problems in the present tense, Doesn't seem like academic honesty to me. Meanwhile, yes, it is true that the systemic issues were not addressed by randomly sanctioning a couple of editors who don't edit Holocaust in Poland articles.

Just making the point though that his two articles are interviews with Shira Klein, one of the authors of the t&f article

[Elinruby]

ITT dumb motherfuckers

Just checking in so I can get my 'dumb motherfucker' badge and decoder ring.

[Elinruby]

The shocking truth about Wikipedia's Holocaust disinformation

That study triggered an ArbCom case, both Volunteer Marek and Piotrus wrote pages trying to discredit it, and now they defend the IPN. Oh the hypocrisy!

yes there was a whole Arbcom case; the article is about 2019.

[Bezdomni]

Sheeeesh

It appears that I missed the seasonal gift exchange.

From what I read,

the “diffs” being provided are weaker than gas station decaf coffee

o tempora, o mores... back before I quit guzzling gas 20 years ago, this was the surest coffeepot not to have been refreshed in hours and so usually the thickest and most bitter sludge available...

Meanwhile, when I see people claiming themselves to be "of a mind" I can't help but wonder which cell they're in...

for "sheeesh" there's nothing GenZ about it, it's just the modern day "Zounds", and has been around for decades...

[Snooper]

Oh god. Bez, like, I'm exactly enough of a dweeb that I love performative Latin but does *this* topic really rise to the level of being worthy of pulling that out?

[Zoll]

Sheeeesh

for "sheeesh" there's nothing GenZ about it, it's just the modern day "Zounds", and has been around for decades...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zounds

First Known Use: 1592

How old are you?

[Zoloft]

Oh god. Bez, like, I'm exactly enough of a dweeb that I love performative Latin but does *this* topic really rise to the level of being worthy of pulling that out?

Dulce est desipere in loco.

[JarrBarr]

The number of posts aboul these blocks is just ridiculous

[The Blue Newt]

Oh god. Bez, like, I'm exactly enough of a dweeb that I love performative Latin but does *this* topic really rise to the level of being worthy of pulling that out?

When did “performative” pick up this new meaning? Just heard it used that way elsewhere.

[Snooper]

When did “performative” pick up this new meaning? Just heard it used that way elsewhere.

I don't think it's new. To do something for an audience is pretty much the standard definition. In this case he started a bit on gas station coffee by quoting a line from Cicero, which is a bit over the top and not really structural to the story about, again, gas station coffee, so the natural assumption is that it was a rhetorical flourish meant to appeal to the audience of the post about, again, gas station coffee.

It was as the kids say meant to be extra.

[Bezdomni]

Oh dear. I really did not intend to cause a pile-up on the off-topic ramp by complaining about these newly-fangled ISO-certified coffee machines that have robbed gas station coffee of its character.

Sorry!

[rnu]

Moderator's note: Several posts consisting of gratuitous off-topic "PvP" were deleted. As always, members are encouraged to avoid personal confrontations and "sea-lioning" behaviors whenever possible, especially if they aren't particularly funny. Members should also feel free to re-post any non-PvP thoughts (or whatever) that may have been removed along with the so-called "bathwater."

I'm torn. On the one hand the 'gratuitous off-topic "PvP"' is half the fun, on the other hand I'm trying to cut down on carbs and in Germany we typically eat popcorn with caramelized sugar, not salt.

[charliemouse]

I think ScottishfinnishRaddish would have more credibility in Tban situations if he had a lengthier record of actually writing articles. Other than that, I don't see a problem witht he Tbans and they are not exactly unknown in I/P.

[rnu]

Given that ScottishFinishRadish probably started investigating the topic area following an AE request that Nableezy filed against Andrevan does the former's tban technically qualify as a boomerang?

[rnu]

Nobody has a right to update wikipedia's figures.

Is this Mr. Nobody person the only one with such rights? If so, that sounds like a bit more responsibility than one person should have.

Also, they weren't protesting the museum itself, they just wanted to hold a protest inside the museum, which would have "disrupted" some of the museum's activities but not necessarily caused the museum to close or cease operations.

I think what andre meant is that the lead of Casualties of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war (T-H-L) can currently not be edited. (You can't even see the source code of the lead, at least when you are not logged in.)

[Beeblebrox]

I'm an asshole

FTFY


Enjoy conversing with this brick wall everyone, I do believe I'll go back to my prolonged break.

[Hemiauchenia]

I'm an asshole

FTFY


Enjoy conversing with this brick wall everyone, I do believe I'll go back to my prolonged break.

I hope you're enjoying your marijuana-focused horticultural efforts, Beebs. Best of luck.

[Vigilant]

I'm an asshole

FTFY


Enjoy conversing with this brick wall everyone, I do believe I'll go back to my prolonged break.

No. You should come back when you're rested up and fight the good fight.

[Zoll]

Spaßverderber, why are you deleting the drama? This is a soap opera, innit?

On the contrary, my guess would be that Mr. Radish, at the very least, takes the whole business quite seriously, and I would also think that nobody wants to be wrongly called an "anti-semite" either.

Also, I have to wonder if Mr. Andre's decision (apparently made just in the last few minutes) to fill all the alternate-name fields in his profile with "Asshole190" is actually some sort of joe-jobbing scheme whereby he accuses us of doing it ourselves, in order to justify some future accusation(s) of heinous and diabolical mistreatment. Except that everyone knows we don't do that sort of thing here, so he might be disappointed on that score.

No because I'm an asshole for signing up

I heard Wikipediasucks.co is looking for new members

[andre]

I'm an asshole

I know.

[Vigilant]

I'm an asshole

I know.

You're rapidly becoming tedious.

[Zoll]

Check out the WkipediaSucks page: https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtop ... 072#p28072

If this really is Nableezy from 7 years ago, what kind of revelation changed your mind?

[arkon]

Suprised Marokwitz (T-C-L) or Homerethegreat (T-C-L) aren't getting sanctioned honestly.

Somebody taking tips from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ious_topic

[andre]

You're rapidly becoming tedious.

I suppose. The real character of Zaphod Beeblebrox was a lot funnier than the wiki one.

[GizzyCatBella]

Appeal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... y_Nableezy

[Zoll]

Suprised Marokwitz (T-C-L) or Homerethegreat (T-C-L) aren't getting sanctioned honestly.

Somebody taking tips from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ious_topic

IOHANNVSVERVS seems to be misguided, and doesn't understand the COI policies. There's also nothing actionable to do about increased edits in a certain topic area.

[Hemiauchenia]

Suprised Marokwitz (T-C-L) or Homerethegreat (T-C-L) aren't getting sanctioned honestly.

Somebody taking tips from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ious_topic

IOHANNVSVERVS seems to be misguided, and doesn't understand the COI policies. There's also nothing actionable to do about increased edits in a certain topic area.

That's a really dumb ANI post, honestly. No evidence presented whatsoever, no way anything there is actionable. For what it's worth, I think Homere is considerably better than Marokwitz, it was just the borderline WP:GAME stuff that bothered me.

[andre]

what a huge waste of the community's time, and a scathing indictment of one's own self-awareness and self-reflection

[owl be it]

While I abide that the flamewar segment of the topic was off-topic, I did get two notifications from hemiauchenia and andre responding to my insult. If either of you want to PM me what your insults were I would be interested in hearing them.

[andre]

While I abide that the flamewar segment of the topic was off-topic, I did get two notifications from hemiauchenia and andre responding to my insult. If either of you want to PM me what your insults were I would be interested in hearing them.

oh I dunno owl be it, i was probably just being mean and unfunny like the rest of my posts
I think you said I was rude and thought I was smart
I don't really have a good rejoinder to that. It was a good line.
I probably just dunked on Hemi some more, I wasn't really targeting at you

[nableezy]

Check out the WkipediaSucks page: https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtop ... 072#p28072

If this really is Nableezy from 7 years ago, what kind of revelation changed your mind?

Im not nableezy anywhere but Wikipedia, the former Wikipedia Review, and Wikipediocracy.

[rnu]

Check out the WkipediaSucks page: https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtop ... 072#p28072

If this really is Nableezy from 7 years ago, what kind of revelation changed your mind?

Im not nableezy anywhere but Wikipedia, the former Wikipedia Review, and Wikipediocracy.

A quick internet search of your username shows a surprising number of pages targeting you for "anti-Israel" bias given that according to Bbb23sucks you are "nothing more than a pro-Israel SPA". Weird. WikipediaSucks is usually such a reliable source.

[andre]

crat goes crazy
news at 11
wasn't that news old from like 2018?

also, there could be more than one nableezy, presumably anyone who hails from Nablus that enjoys the music of E-40 and Snoop D.O.G.G?

[andre]

BTW, very kangaroo court how topic bans prevent commenting on AE appeals by involved users because that's a topic ban violation.
Obviously, AE filings appealing the same topic ban should not be considered a topic ban violation by the involved users who were in the same action.

[rnu]

BTW, very kangaroo court how topic bans prevent commenting on AE appeals by involved users because that's a topic ban violation.
Obviously, AE filings appealing the same topic ban should not be considered a topic ban violation by the involved users who were in the same action.

Did an admin tell you that? I don't find it obvious at all that this is covered by the topic ban. Unless an admin told you you're not allowed to post there I would recommend asking an admin for clarification on this.

[andre]

BTW, very kangaroo court how topic bans prevent commenting on AE appeals by involved users because that's a topic ban violation.
Obviously, AE filings appealing the same topic ban should not be considered a topic ban violation by the involved users who were in the same action.

Did an admin tell you that? I don't find it obvious at all that this is covered by the topic ban. Unless an admin told you you're not allowed to post there I would recommend asking an admin for clarification on this.

User:Andrevan tried to post there and was told by SFR that it was a topic ban violation
I'm just andre, that troll from wikipediocracy, so no comment on that idiot crat, wtf was he thinking violating that topic ban?
FFF is awesome though. What a sweetheart.

[rnu]

BTW, very kangaroo court how topic bans prevent commenting on AE appeals by involved users because that's a topic ban violation.
Obviously, AE filings appealing the same topic ban should not be considered a topic ban violation by the involved users who were in the same action.

Did an admin tell you that? I don't find it obvious at all that this is covered by the topic ban. Unless an admin told you you're not allowed to post there I would recommend asking an admin for clarification on this.

User:Andrevan tried to post there and was told by SFR that it was a topic ban violation
I'm just andre, that troll from wikipediocracy, so no comment on that idiot crat, wtf was he thinking violating that topic ban?
FFF is awesome though. What a sweetheart.

I see. I guess it is not a completely absurd position to take. But I don't think it is the obvious position.

[andre]

BTW, very kangaroo court how topic bans prevent commenting on AE appeals by involved users because that's a topic ban violation.
Obviously, AE filings appealing the same topic ban should not be considered a topic ban violation by the involved users who were in the same action.

Did an admin tell you that? I don't find it obvious at all that this is covered by the topic ban. Unless an admin told you you're not allowed to post there I would recommend asking an admin for clarification on this.

User:Andrevan tried to post there and was told by SFR that it was a topic ban violation
I'm just andre, that troll from wikipediocracy, so no comment on that idiot crat, wtf was he thinking violating that topic ban?
FFF is awesome though. What a sweetheart.

I see. I guess it is not a completely absurd position to take. But I don't think it is the obvious position.

"Broadly construed" does a lot of work, which I know. But it obviously should be excepted for this due to involvement in the AE sanction.

[andre]

Meanwhile, when I see people claiming themselves to be "of a mind" I can't help but wonder which cell they're in...

for "sheeesh" there's nothing GenZ about it, it's just the modern day "Zounds", and has been around for decades...

I agree! My father, born in the 50s, used "sheesh" every day of my childhood, practically.

And, because I am well-groomed grammarian, who starts sentences with Ands and boldly splits the infinitive on the reg, and a lover of slang etymology, I want to know where I got "of a mind" from! In fact, I probably got it from Wikipediedialect which is built up by neuroatypical UK'ers, Canadians, and Australians in part. So, that's my guess. And, I found some good evidence to support this. It was added, only in 2022, to Wiktionary. So, evidence of the Wikipediolect in action. I just code switched into my wikipedispeak to come up with "of a mind." I'm "of a mind" with him. Which cell, indeed.

Here is some evidence of in 2008. Primo Wikidialect sprachbund time in fora.

However, this Ngram suggests that it may actually be something from the 1800s or even earlier, an archaicism, which does also fit with a Wikipediedialectical revival of that term, but also maybe it's not a neologistic one.

[andre]

When did “performative” pick up this new meaning? Just heard it used that way elsewhere.

I don't think it's new. To do something for an audience is pretty much the standard definition. In this case he started a bit on gas station coffee by quoting a line from Cicero, which is a bit over the top and not really structural to the story about, again, gas station coffee, so the natural assumption is that it was a rhetorical flourish meant to appeal to the audience of the post about, again, gas station coffee.

It was as the kids say meant to be extra.

It's part of the "Defund the Police"ification of the language. Any action that is "virtue signalling," "green-washing," it's part of the Nouveau Woke dialect.

[andre]

back before I quit guzzling gas 20 years ago, this was the surest coffeepot not to have been refreshed in hours and so usually the thickest and most bitter sludge available...

Indeed, it was THICC like a Turkish or Greek coffee -- EITHER ONE, DON'T KILL ME, TURKISH AND/OR GREEK NATIONALISTS -- i'm talking a PHAT unfiltered coffee with like ... ALL THE GROUNDS SLOSHIN AROUND IN THAT JOINT

it's thic.

[ltbdl]

andre, how much have you had to drink?

[nableezy]

andre, how much have you had to drink?

Oh god plz don’t ask a question or we’re going to have forty more posts later edited to dumb motherfuckers are fucking mothers.

[andre]

andre, how much have you had to drink?

Like my good friend Zaphod I much prefer the 100% legal tetrohydrocannabinoids and associated terpenoids