Lomax v. WikiMedia Foundation, Inc. et al

[Poetlister]

It's been two months since Abd posted anything (August 18th).

I suspect the rumors of his death are true.

According to GD, After his stroke and getting the coronavirus, he had a heart attack. No report of his death yet from there.

I'm sure that we all wish him well.

[Vigilant]

It's been two months since Abd posted anything (August 18th).

I suspect the rumors of his death are true.

According to GD, After his stroke and getting the coronavirus, he had a heart attack. No report of his death yet from there.

I'm sure that we all wish him well.

You'd be wrong.

He was a conman, moving from swindle to swindle for much of his life, and the world is a better place without him.

[tarantino]

His wiki, which lets unregistered users edit, has been unattended since August 5. There's only one other admin besides him, and they haven't edited in a year and a half. Surprisingly there's only been a few instances of vandalism and no spam.

[Vigilant]

I wonder if the WMF will continue to patronize Jones Day given their starring role in the ongoing electoral fraud attempts by the Trump administration.

I've got a dollar says their hypocrisy wins out.

[Zoloft]

Abd lives!
Reddit Link

april 23,2020, Abd had an ischemic stroke. april 24, after driving back and forth to the dr's office, who wouldn't see me because covid, i noticed that evening my left hand was missing keystrokes. Must be tired, i thought, went to sleep. About 4 AM woke up half paralyzed, called 911. Because of the delay, they could not use clot-busting drugs, and the effects deepened to total left side flacidity. I was put in a rehab facility. After two weeks I was transferred to Linda Manor, a rehab nursing facility.

While I was at the first rehab, a friend bringing me a computer and my book of passwords dropped it all off his motorcycle on the freeway. I lost access to almost everything. My iPhone was being opened with fingerprint ID but locked up, demanding password before using fingerprint. Today I am working on recovering that.

At Linda Manor, in spite of massive precautions, my room=mate tested positive for COVID., and no surprise, then I did. i developed serious symptoms and was transported to Cooley Dickinson Hospital. There, I coded, essentially died, but they brought me back. I felt nothing, but I knew I was dying. Where is the white light? I saw nothing.

Then to deal with the covid-caused heart condition, I was transferred to Bay State for an angiogram and possible stent. My circulation was considered inadequate for a stent, but I convinced them to check collateral circulation, as I had done a year of cardiac rehab to build that. They did that and placed a stent, and then implanted a cardiac monitor/defibrillator, and sent me back to rehab. On arriving back at Linda Manor, I was immediately attacked by (likely) Darryl Smith. who recruited a Certified Nursing Assistant to harass me. She eventually went too far and no longer works there, but it was pretty bad for a while. I'm now making steady progress. Most of my day is flat on my back, but i spend hours each day in a wheelchair, increasing my tolerance.

thanks to all those who expressed sympathy. Reddit seems to work. I will check here for messages every few days.

[Midsize Jake]

On arriving back at Linda Manor, I was immediately attacked by (likely) Darryl Smith. who recruited a Certified Nursing Assistant to harass me. She eventually went too far and no longer works there, but it was pretty bad for a while.

Cops have since put out an APB on the nursing assistant in question, and have begun circulating this photograph:

[Vigilant]

On arriving back at Linda Manor, I was immediately attacked by (likely) Darryl Smith. who recruited a Certified Nursing Assistant to harass me.

That's some serious cray cray right there.

[Poetlister]

Abd lives!
Reddit Link

Thanks for letting us know.

[WanderingGuest]

Well, that's was Nobel moment. Abd wouldn't be happy to see what others wrote assuming him to be dead.

[C&B]

Abd lives!
Reddit Link

Thanks for letting us know.

that Abd is More Bizarre than ever

[Vigilant]

Abd lives!

He thinks you're Darryl.

[Jim]

Abd lives!

He thinks you're Darryl.

He "thinks" you can do nuclear reactions in an egg pan in your kitchen.

Just saying...

[Nemo]

Someone Claiming to be "Abd Lomax" keeps spamming Callipedia with legal threats because he claims it's "in league with Wikipediocracy" or something:

https://callipedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Sp ... 0:0:0:0:28

I have no idea what they're talking about; and Callipedia has no article about them, so it's pretty silly.

[Vigilant]

Poetlister from wikipediocracy will be sued for creating Abd Lomax's RationalWiki smear article. - Abd Lomax

While nothing would warm my heart more than another lolsuit by Lomax, especially targeting our resident crossdressing, garbage posting, thread filling asshat, this is just some low effort trolling.

3/10

[Jim]

Someone Claiming to be "Abd Lomax" keeps spamming Callipedia with legal threats because he claims it's "in league with Wikipediocracy" or something:

https://callipedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Sp ... 0:0:0:0:28

I have no idea what they're talking about; and Callipedia has no article about them, so it's pretty silly.

You have mail: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11704&p=279456#p279422

[C&B]

especially targeting our resident crossdressing, garbage posting, thread filling asshat

"Hardcore, Lawrence" !!!

[Vigilant]

especially targeting our resident crossdressing, garbage posting, thread filling asshat

"Hardcore, Lawrence" !!!

[Nemo]

Someone Claiming to be "Abd Lomax" keeps spamming Callipedia with legal threats because he claims it's "in league with Wikipediocracy" or something:

https://callipedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Sp ... 0:0:0:0:28

I have no idea what they're talking about; and Callipedia has no article about them, so it's pretty silly.

You have mail: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11704&p=279456#p279422

Thanks.

[Anroth]

On arriving back at Linda Manor, I was immediately attacked by (likely) Darryl Smith. who recruited a Certified Nursing Assistant to harass me.

That's some serious cray cray right there.

See, Abd is a loon, so I have never really paid him any attention. His obsession with Darryl Smith does pop up every now and then though. Is Smith a real person? A figment of Abd's imagination? Is there a Mr Smith out there paying nursing assistants to put sand in Abd's bed?

Is the nursing assistant real? Is the recovery? Was the stroke?

Who knows. This is why I try not to bother with clearly insane people. You end up having to work out how far back their delusions go before you can even start on what is and isnt real.

[Nemo]

If he wants to sue RationalWiki, he would need to sue the owner (Trent Toulouse of Albuquerque, New Mexico) - but even then, I'm going to assume that content on RW is protected under Section 230 of the CDA, so he would have to find out who the specific posters are who wrote the allegedly defaming content.

[Vigilant]

If he wants to sue RationalWiki, he would need to sue the owner (Trent Toulouse of Albuquerque, New Mexico) - but even then, I'm going to assume that content on RW is protected under Section 230 of the CDA, so he would have to find out who the specific posters are who wrote the allegedly defaming content.

RatWiki doesn't have an LLC or C Corp?

The Farms does for just these situations.

[Nemo]

If he wants to sue RationalWiki, he would need to sue the owner (Trent Toulouse of Albuquerque, New Mexico) - but even then, I'm going to assume that content on RW is protected under Section 230 of the CDA, so he would have to find out who the specific posters are who wrote the allegedly defaming content.

RatWiki doesn't have an LLC or C Corp?

The Farms does for just these situations.

Not sure on that one; last I heard, it was owned by Trent Toulouse, a community college professor from Albuquerque, NM.

(He goes by User:Tmtoulose on the site, but seems to be very inactive - only making about 10-20 edits per year for the last several years):

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Tmtoulouse

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:C ... Tmtoulouse

[Giraffe Stapler]

If he wants to sue RationalWiki, he would need to sue the owner (Trent Toulouse of Albuquerque, New Mexico) - but even then, I'm going to assume that content on RW is protected under Section 230 of the CDA, so he would have to find out who the specific posters are who wrote the allegedly defaming content.

RatWiki doesn't have an LLC or C Corp?

The Farms does for just these situations.

It took about five clicks to find out that RationalWiki is owned by The RationalWiki Foundation, a non-profit corporation and 501(c)(3) registered charity.

[Vigilant]

If he wants to sue RationalWiki, he would need to sue the owner (Trent Toulouse of Albuquerque, New Mexico) - but even then, I'm going to assume that content on RW is protected under Section 230 of the CDA, so he would have to find out who the specific posters are who wrote the allegedly defaming content.

RatWiki doesn't have an LLC or C Corp?

The Farms does for just these situations.

It took about five clicks to find out that RationalWiki is owned by The RationalWiki Foundation, a non-profit corporation and 501(c)(3) registered charity.

Thank you, GoogleLord.

I honestly didn't care enough to look.

[Poetlister]

If he wants to sue RationalWiki, he would need to sue the owner (Trent Toulouse of Albuquerque, New Mexico) - but even then, I'm going to assume that content on RW is protected under Section 230 of the CDA, so he would have to find out who the specific posters are who wrote the allegedly defaming content.

RatWiki doesn't have an LLC or C Corp?

The Farms does for just these situations.

It took about five clicks to find out that RationalWiki is owned by The RationalWiki Foundation, a non-profit corporation and 501(c)(3) registered charity.

Presumably the trustees of the charity are supposed to oversee the site, subject to the Section 230 get out of jail free card.

The current Trustees are:

GrammarCommie
LeftyGreenMario
Spud
FuzzyCatPotato
Tmtoulouse (Operations Manager, incumbent)

Rationalwiki

[Vigilant]

And it all ends with a wimper

Abd is off fighting about the meaning of Islam.

The Giraffe Stapler lost his Don Quixote and must now settle for being an ass riding an ass in the wilderness.

[Vigilant]

lol

The only one who will speak to Martin is the book bot.

[Zoloft]

lol

The only one who will speak to Martin is the book bot.

Hmmm. I think he accused you of being lettuce, and he misgendered Kelly.

But at least he linked to our site — which will help SEO a bit.

[Vigilant]

He certainly has a few strange obsessions, like women peeing and fingers in asses.

Now that Abd is off fighting with actual Muslims about what it means to be Muslim and dicklicker/princess loli has dropped off the face of the earth, the poor insane Dutch clown is left alone to endlessly wander the digital wasteland as a modern day version of The Toadie.

[Zoloft]

He certainly has a few strange obsessions, like women peeing and fingers in asses.

Now that Abd is off fighting with actual Muslims about what it means to be Muslim and dicklicker/princess loli has dropped off the face of the earth, the poor insane Dutch clown is left alone to endlessly wander the digital wasteland as a modern day version of The Toadie.

There is a better forum for this:

[Vigilant]

When even Abd is tired of the Insane Dutch Clown

The new zoo

Already suitably insane....

[Vigilant]

Diva quit

See you in a few days, Martin.

[SeriousSam]

I understand Abd created the Graaf subreddit in his name, with his permission, but a bunch of different individuals have complained Abd has created subreddits in their name without their permission and is using those subreddits to attack them while allegedly spoofing their names, to the extent Google searches are producing misleading results and some people now confuse these subreddits with the real people they're named after.

Abd got into a spat with the owner of the GenderDesk blog and in response created r/GenderDesk. This does seem very odd behaviour. If you end up crossing this guy he will create a subreddit in your name.

https://genderdesk.wordpress.com/2021/0 ... on-reddit/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderDesk/com ... personate/

[Boing! said Zebedee]

Diva quit

See you in a few days, Martin.

His English is getting (a bit) better.

[SeriousSam]

Lomax's defence of Nathan Larson earned him an entry on incels.wiki.

https://incels.wiki/w/Abd

[SeriousSam]

Lomax is insane.

He's currently debating some guy on a Muslim subreddit. After getting into a spat with him, he creates an entire new subreddit to criticise the other subreddit he was commenting in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon_meta/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quraniyoon/com ... ?context=3

AbdLomax
2 hours ago
Somebody has to speak up. The alleged pedophile I defended was Muhammad, Messenger of Allah, SAS. Read the link.

If anyone is tempted to believe the deceptions in the RatWiki article, ask me on r/Abdlomax. RatWiki is a joke wiki, deliberately non-neutral. They keep known deceptive attack articles if they think they are funny. RW article on Reddit.

Basically the Muslims he's debating have Googled Abd Lomax's name and realise he's a notorious troll linking to the RationalWiki article on him, they've also discovered his history of defending Nathan Larson and are calling him in the thread a "pedophile defender". These are Muslims from his own community... even they despise him.

kirginim
2 hours ago
What are you even talking about lol. None of this babbling is relative to the fact that a maniac and a pedophile defender is not a representative of this community.

I also see no "deceptions" in his RationalWiki article - it merely logs his bans all over the internet.

If I'm not mistaken even this forum booted him.

[Poetlister]

On the other hand, "RatWiki is a joke wiki, deliberately non-neutral" is not exactly an insane thing to say. Even Abd is right sometimes.

[SeriousSam]

On the other hand, "RatWiki is a joke wiki, deliberately non-neutral" is not exactly an insane thing to say. Even Abd is right sometimes.

It depends what kind of person you are. An atheist and skeptic will probably like what's written on RationalWiki; Lomax in contrast is a Muslim who promotes all sorts of pseudoscience (cold fusion, cholesterol denialism, etc) and bad diets (with negative-health effects) such as high-fat meat-based, so he's not likely to be a fan of RW since they have articles criticising his beliefs and bad food choices. RW articles on food rightly predicted Lomax would have an ischemic stroke before it happened; as they note on his article: "In April 2020, Lomax had an ischemic stroke. High LDL cholesterol levels increase the risk of ischemic stroke."

[Beeblebrox]

As an atheist and a skeptic I don't agree on the appeal of rational wiki. The way to push back against pseudoscience and misinformation is to do so on a platform people actually use, i.e. Wikipedia, by improving coverage, not by being insulting. And I think Wikipedia does a fair job of covering such topics without legitimizing them.

[SeriousSam]

As an atheist and a skeptic I don't agree on the appeal of rational wiki. The way to push back against pseudoscience and misinformation is to do so on a platform people actually use, i.e. Wikipedia, by improving coverage, not by being insulting. And I think Wikipedia does a fair job of covering such topics without legitimizing them.

I agree but there's a higher notability threshold to have a Wikipedia entry - if you're a lesser/barely known person, you won't end up with a page. On RationalWiki though the notability threshold is a lot lower and so you can create an article on someone, as long as they're promoting some form of pseudoscience or crankery.

Abd Lomax is a supporter of the carnivore diet loon Shawn Baker.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shawn_Baker

Baker doesn't have a Wikipedia page and is unlikely to have one made (he's not noticeable enough). RW though does a good job to warn people about him and the misinformation he spreads about food.

Another example, is the crackpot cholesterol denialist, Malcolm Kendrick.



Kendrick formerly had a Wikipedia page, but they deleted it. His RationalWiki page though won't get wiped.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Malcolm_Kendrick

[Beeblebrox]

See, I don't think writing about abd is particularly productive either. Even among the other nuts he's a nut.

I would totally rock that t-shirt though.

[SeriousSam]

Looks like RW did an update on Lomax.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abd_ul-Ra ... ornography

Horrifying.

[Vigilant]

If you won't leave, how will we miss you?

[SeriousSam]

Someone I know is filing a DMCA takedown request against Lomax's website. Lomax has been stealing this person's copyrighted content and uploading it without their permission. I'm not aware though of any other legal troubles he's in. It's finally good to know someone is taking some form of action against him. He's an online menace.

[Vigilant]

Abd is back to giving advice on Reddit about when you are allowed to have sex with underage girls as set forth by the Koran.

This guy has a long and creepy history of pedophilia advocacy.

I hope the prosecutor's office who is handling Larson's case gets around to interviewing this creepy perv.

Lest we forget

[Vigilant]

Abd literally believes in black magic

Abdlomax
·
5h

Disbelief is ineffective in protecting against skillful magic. The only protection is holding fast to the rope of Allah, purifiying faith. He allows what he allows as trial and purifucation. Trust is the medicine.

I'm not sure what 'purifucation', but given his long time friendship with child rapist Nathan Larson and Abd's continued defense of pedophilia, I don't really want to know.

For example

Age of consent laws are about arbitrarily-set ages, and generally exempt the married, if the marriage is lawful in the state. If a couple has been married in another jurisdiction, it will generally be recognized so if the Muslims were Indo-Pak, say Hanafi, the couple could be married in their home country, if all the local laws are followed and they have a marriage certificate. Then they could come back here and probably the marriage would be respected, even if she is under 18. Definitely consult a lawyer before trying this!

[Lyallpuri]

He's right. My mother's American cousin legally married a Canadian girl in Pakistan when she was 17 (although she was 18 by the time of the actual wedding ceremony and rukhsati); she was fine with it. It helps speed up the immigration process so that the girl is able to come to the US by the time she's actually moving in with her husband. I'm not entirely sure where being Hanafi or of some other madhhab plays into it, though.

I read "purification" in this context as simply being a reference to the fact that being so much as stung by a thorn purifies us of our sins; imagine the implications in the case of a greater trial in life.

[Without Comfort]

He's right. My mother's American cousin legally married a Canadian girl in Pakistan when she was 17 (although she was 18 by the time of the actual wedding ceremony and rukhsati); she was fine with it. It helps speed up the immigration process so that the girl is able to come to the US by the time she's actually moving in with her husband. I'm not entirely sure where being Hanafi or of some other madhhab plays into it, though.

I read "purification" in this context as simply being a reference to the fact that being so much as stung by a thorn purifies us of our sins; imagine the implications in the case of a greater trial in life.

Have you happened to have read much on the work being done in Australia and the UK to prevent families arranging travel for minor girls in order to have them married overseas?

I'm glad to know that Abd was being accurate in some other way according to an impartial observer who is familiar with Islam. Abd has too often spoken up about male attraction to girls and age of consent laws being what he terms "arbitrary." Even worse he failed to ever indicate that he understood the clear danger Larson presented to children after Larson's own daughter was removed from his custody after he discussed his desire or plan to rape her. My recollection of the details of the suicide of Larson's wife are overly hazy, but there was concern that he abused her until she died and contributed to her desperate act. For these reasons nobody wants to hear Abd discussing minors and sex or marriage even when it applies to Islam.

There have been loopholes in the U.S. allowing families and judges to condone the underage marriage of children here. That's where we have to start reforming these problems. I also oppose young marriage overseas.

[Lyallpuri]

I don't really care much for Abd himself; I was merely commenting on the point he raised.

You appear to be making the common assumption that all traditional marriages in Muslim cultures are forced. It never ceases to baffle me how premarital sexual relationships are perfectly acceptable in Western culture at younger ages, but somehow formalising it in the form of marriage is the most heinous form of abuse on the face of the earth. Why does it harm you if people are choosing to fulfil their desires in a halal manner instead? It's worth noting that many countries do have exceptions in their age of consent legislation for cases where both partners are relatively similar in age.

[Moral Hazard]

This is not the site to defend old men marrying girls.

I am gentle but the great old ones are not to be disturbed and never to be moved to wrath.