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Re: Meet the ultimate WikiGnome

Unread post by Mason » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:15 pm

David Golumbia wrote:Bizarrely, Wikipedia itself has a page on “comprised of” that endorses the linguist’s view, rather than Giraffedata’s view.
Although to be fair, the comprised of (T-H-L) article has only existed for 15 days and was written specifically to put Mr. Henderson in his place.

Meanwhile, someone thought what he needed was his very own BLP, Bryan Henderson (T-H-L), although it's currently on track to be deleted (as it should be.)

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Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:36 pm

The logic is that you don't need to be an expert, since everything should be supported by a reliable source and experts need to cite sources rather than rely on their expertise. At first glance, that seems fair enough. The fallacy is that a non-expert may not know which sources are reliable, that sources need to be weighed rather than counted so a textbook by an accepted authority (other than the expert editor) trumps umpteen magazine articles by hack journalists.
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Re: Meet the ultimate WikiGnome

Unread post by JCM » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:53 pm

Poetlister wrote:The logic is that you don't need to be an expert, since everything should be supported by a reliable source and experts need to cite sources rather than rely on their expertise. At first glance, that seems fair enough. The fallacy is that a non-expert may not know which sources are reliable, that sources need to be weighed rather than counted so a textbook by an accepted authority (other than the expert editor) trumps umpteen magazine articles by hack journalists.
Or, alternately, that a reference book of whatever sort, provided it is current enough to not be outdated, is probably better than most general sources, sometimes even including academic journals, for determining matters of weight and fringe. Unfortunately, particular for "interpretative" studies, like a lot of religion, the journals tend to sometimes have to publish "Lookee! I've got a new explanation for [x]", even if it is something that doesn't get any subsequent real support, because, well, there isn't that much to say on a lot of texts hundreds or thousands of years old, with no recent relevant discoveries, that might not have already been said hundreds or thousands of times.

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Unread post by greyed.out.fields » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:39 am

And now gets a mention in the Grauniad (or should that be "in The Grauniad"?)

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Unread post by Moral Hazard » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:22 am

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero ... isedofwhat
Consider also that “is comprised of” has been on a steady rise in English books since 1920, and is now about a fifth as common as “is composed of”. A list of writers whom Mr Henderson would correct includes Charles Dickens, Herman Melville, Christopher Hitchens, Lionel Trilling and Alfred North Whitehead.
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Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:02 pm

In an article condemning absurd grammatical pedantry, the Economist cites "Bryan Henderson, a man who has “corrected” tens of thousands of Wikipedia articles, removing “comprised of”. His rationale was that a “whole comprises the parts”, so the phrase “comprised of” is meaningless gobbledygook probably inspired by confusion with “composed of”."
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Unread post by AndyTheGrump » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:19 pm

Poetlister wrote:In an article condemning absurd grammatical pedantry, the Economist cites "Bryan Henderson, a man who has “corrected” tens of thousands of Wikipedia articles, removing “comprised of”. His rationale was that a “whole comprises the parts”, so the phrase “comprised of” is meaningless gobbledygook probably inspired by confusion with “composed of”."
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