Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedia"

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Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedia"

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Gir ikke penger til Wikipedia
Kulturminister Thorhild Widvey krever signerte artikler.
digi.no, 10 April 2014 link

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Do not give money to Wikipedia
Minister for Culture Thorhild Widwey require signed articles.

National Library announces a grant for online encyclopedia, according to a press release from the Ministry of Culture. NOK 5 million to be allocated in accordance with guidelines issued by the Ministry. The National Library will manage the scheme. Culture Thorhild Widwey interests that the government will help the audience get "free access to multiple sources of high-quality online". To formulate the purpose of the grant: "To strengthen the provision of free lexicon as a basis for the development of knowledge and opinion formation in society. The scheme will contribute to the dissemination of the Norwegian language, date and quality assured knowledge of digital ICT platforms. Other points is to give professionals more communication channels and help maintain Norwegian who live technical language."

There is however a special requirements nettleksikon to receive grants under the scheme: The articles must be signed. "Signed content is important for quality assurance and source criticism," she says. In practice's four free online encyclopedia in Norway: Wikipedia respectively Bokmål, Nynorsk and Sami and Norwegian Store (snl.no). Wikipedia varieties have not signed the papers and consequently fall outside the scheme. This, and press releases using the word "quality control" - the keyword in the promotion to Major Norwegian many years - clearly shows who the Ministry has thought that money should go to.

Norwegian wikipedister does not particularly heavy that they can be excluded from state aid.

"We live well on Okkenhaug as well, it is stated on the contributor's message board ."

In an e-mail digi.no writes Harald Haugland, contributor to Wikipedia and given contact pressure, following on their own behalf:

"Personally, I believe that when Wikipedia community has managed to establish a lexicon Norwegian with over 417,000 articles, one will probably survive in the future without the support of the public to article production. The servers are in the U.S. and is run by donations from users all over the world. While it is good that you get a system that can ensure Great Norwegian Encyclopedia continued operation, for it is better for the public to have more online encyclopedia to choose from. I'm probably still disagree with the argument that encyclopedia articles must be written by one person and signed. Wikipedia concept shows that it is possible to have good articles written by many contributors. The actual process of several contributors serves as quality assurance, and source criticism is a process that each contributor complicit. I support the Minister of Culture in her emphasis of the importance of keeping up a live technical language in Norwegian. It's great to get universities active in the dissemination of knowledge in Norwegian in a form that reaches the most people."
Støtter nettleksikon
Kulturminister Thorhild Widvey bevilger fem millioner kroner til en ny tilskuddsordning for nettbaserte leksikon i 2014.
Dagens Næringsliv, 9 April 2014 link

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Supports nettleksikon
Culture Minister Thorhild Widwey allocate five million kroner for a new grant scheme for web-based encyclopedia in 2014.

The National Library has been responsible for managing the scheme. "More and more of people's knowledge acquisition takes place on the internet. Therefore it is important that people have access to more sources of good quality online," says Widwey.

Is the scheme tailored for Norwegian Encyclopedia or Wikipedia will also be able to apply?

"Input from Wikipedia has been part of our work on this scheme. But it is up to the National Library to consider the applications. It is important to facilitate a greater diversity so that the public has several sources to go to."

Should Wikipedia be able to get grants, do the online Encyclopedia alter its practice of unsigned articles.

"One of the factors is that articles should be signed. It will be a very important condition for granting aid. Parliament has assumed that the signed content is important in order to exert source criticism," saying Widwey.
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Re: Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedi

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Støtter gratis-leksikon
Nasjonalbiblioteket lyser ut tilskuddsordning på fem millionr kroner for nettbaserte gratis-leksikon
Avisen Agder, 11 April 2014 http:/ /www.avisenagder.no/index.php?page=vis_n ... etID=25004 [dead link]

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Supports the free encyclopedia
National Library announces subsidy of five million millionr for online free encyclopedia

In the budget for 2014 the government has allocated NOK 5 million for a grant scheme for online encyclopedia. The Ministry of Culture has set guidelines for the scheme. The National Library will manage the scheme and funds are now announced.
"The government will help the audience get free access to several knowledge sources of high quality online," says Culture Minister Thorhild Widwey. The purpose of the grant scheme is to strengthen the supply of free lexicon as a basis for knowledge development and meaning formation in society. Support schemes will contribute to the dissemination of Norwegian linguistic, updated and quality assured knowledge of digital ICT platforms. The grant scheme will facilitate more communication channels for professionals and help to maintain Norwegian as a living terminology. It is also important to facilitate the audience can read the literature on Norwegian online professionals can write and present material in Norwegian. A premise of the scheme is that online encyclopedia to be able to get grants must have signed articles. Signed content is important for quality assurance and source criticism.
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Re: Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedi

Unread post by Mancunium » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:48 pm

NHO-sjefen i Wiki-stafett
Kulturminister Thorhild Widvey utfordret Kristin Skogen Lund til å skrive en artikkel på nettleksikonet Wikipedia, og Skogen Lund tok utfordringen på strak arm.
Næringslivets Hovedorganisasjon, 23 April 2014 link

Machine-translation from Norwegian:
NHO boss of Wiki relay
Culture Minister Thorhild Widwey challenged Kristin Skogen Lund to write an article on the online encyclopedia Wikipedia and Skogen Lund took the challenge

"I've always been a fan Wikipedia . In Telenor time we had active cooperation with the Wikimedia Foundation, says NHO chief Kristin Skogen Lund, who also met founder Jimmy Wales several times. "I like the idea of a foundation run by voluntary work ." Skogen Lund decided to write an article about the gender-segregated labor market in Norway , based on the report on this subject that the Institute for Social Research carried out on orders from NHO and LO last year . "Type Relay is part of Wikimedia Norway marking the anniversary of the Constitution , and throughout the year, profiled women are challenged to write or improve articles on Wikipedia with relevance for democracy and the anniversary. Wikimedia Norway is a support organization for Wikipedia and other wiki projects , and the goal of the relay is to get the share of female contributors lexicon , and show off that it is a place where everyone can contribute their knowledge. "This project , this type relay is in good agreement with the ' Learning Life', which NHO has been much focus on this year. You learn throughout life. That people with particular skills are encouraged to help spread these , well suited to this. It is not difficult to see the democratic aspect related to the constitution anniversary , to disseminate and share knowledge. Skogen Lund's article can be read and edited on here , and as the next woman out in the relay challenge she is Secretary General of the Norwegian Press Association.
Kjønnsdelt arbeidsliv
Norwegian Wikipedia: link

Illustrated with this sad reminder of the time before Jimbo burnt all his bridges in Norway:

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Olav Smestad and Margaret Gleditch demonstrated the Wikipedia editor Kristin Skogen Lund
( as Telenor ) , Crown Prince Haakon , Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales and the then
International Development Heikki Holmås , on Wikipedia Academy in Oslo two years ago .
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Re: Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedi

Unread post by Kumioko » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:41 pm

I wish more organizations would make a statement like this. As long as the editing environment on Wikipedia remins a bully farm, no one should be advocating donating money to it. Until editors are treated fairly and admins are held to policy along with the editors it should be financially off limits.

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Unread post by Mancunium » Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:12 pm

Kumioko wrote:I wish more organizations would make a statement like this. As long as the editing environment on Wikipedia remins a bully farm, no one should be advocating donating money to it. Until editors are treated fairly and admins are held to policy along with the editors it should be financially off limits.
Norway's grudge against Wikipedia was occasioned by a Wikipediocracy investigation and Jimbo's stupidity.

Norge versus Wales på Wikipedia
Morgenbladet, 29 November 2013 edition link

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Norway vs Wales on Wikipedia
Norwegians Wikipedia articles about their own employer provokes founder Jimmy Wales.

Unproblematic: Wikimedia Norway and Public Affairs at Telenor Group, Erlend Bjørtvedt, has even written a large part of the Norwegian Wikipedia article about Telenor and thinks it's okay that employees write about the employer as long as they write objectively and tell who they are. It Erlend has done is embarrassing errors and direct shameful, wrote Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder, on his own talk page online encyclopaedia two weeks ago. By "Erlend" said Wales Erlend Bjørtvedt, government relations, Telenor and Deputy Wikimedia Norway, the organization that works to safeguard the Norwegian Wikipedia. On to Wales wrote a user named "Greg" a post about changes Bjørtvedt made in Telenor English Wikipedia article in June. Bjørtvedt updated two numbers that were outdated. "Greg" suggested Bjørtvedt was in a conflict of interest. Same Tonight "Greg" support from Wikipedia founder Wales: "The changes are highly problematic. I will immediately send him a worried email and invite him here to explain himself. I will ask him to promise that he would never do anything like this again", wrote Wales. [...] In Norway it is quite common for people to create and edit articles about their own workplace, says Erlend Bjørtvedt. He thinks the changes Wales criticized him for lack drawbacks. [...]
By that time, Norway had also realized that Jimbo's promises about partnering with Norwegian telecom Telenor, into which he had even dragged the Norwegian Crown Prince, were just his usual lies and BS.
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Unread post by Kumioko » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:12 pm

Its the same problem that's happening with the museums and archives here in DC. The DC Chapter of Wikimedia keeps talking to them about collaborations but then don't do anything to foster a "partnership". So the perception is growing that Wikipedia is just using them to get things they want like meeting space for meetups and free swag.

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Re: Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedi

Unread post by thekohser » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:53 pm

Yay for "Greg"!
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Unread post by Mancunium » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:11 pm

Kumioko wrote:Its the same problem that's happening with the museums and archives here in DC. The DC Chapter of Wikimedia keeps talking to them about collaborations but then don't do anything to foster a "partnership". So the perception is growing that Wikipedia is just using them to get things they want like meeting space for meetups and free swag.
It must be common knowledge by now that Wikimedia DC is a branch of the Cato Institute, which is itself a branch of Koch Industries: link

Of course, Jimmy sucked as much money as he could from Telenor, which paid for his appearance at the Telenor-sponsored "Digital Winners Conference" held at Telenor Fornebu on 7 and 8 November 2013: link
“We are extremely proud and happy to have the founder of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales, as keynote speaker at Digital Winners 2013. His project, as well as his personality, encompasses all the main themes of the conference: strategic vision, entrepreneurship, user-generated media, education and being a true digital winner,”said Erling Maartmann-Moe, Head of the Digital Winners programme committee.
His previous schemes in Norway allowed him to get this money shot onto Wikimedia Commons (Category: Jimmy Wales in Norway): link

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Re: Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedi

Unread post by Mancunium » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:29 pm

thekohser wrote:Yay for "Greg"!
Have you seen this Xiandos biography of Erlend B. Bjørtvedt? link
Dette ble også omtalt i Wikipediocracy [3]

Erlend Bjørtvedt, the vice-chairman of Wikimedia Norway, also happens to be the vice-president of telecommunications company Telenor – and the main author of the Norwegian Wikipedia’s article on his company as well as a contributor to its English Wikipedia article. He has also edited the articles on Telenor’s competitors – for example, adding to the English Wikipedia’s article on the Alfa Group a lengthy section on the Group’s legal dispute with his employer, Telenor. Wikipedia’s figurehead Jimmy Wales is well aware of Bjørtvedt’s conflict-of-interest editing, as it was discussed at length on his Wikipedia user talk page. In stark contrast with Stierch’s treatment, nobody seems to have asked Bjørtvedt to resign from his position at Wikimedia Norway. Indeed, the Wikipedia editor who notified Wales about the concern with Bjørtvedt was recently indefinitely blocked from any further Wikipedia commentary.

This may not be entirely unrelated to the fact that Telenor is an important Wikipedia partner. In November 2013, an article on the Telenor website proudly stated: “Telenor-Wikipedia Partnership on a Roll in Asia”. The article was illustrated with a picture of a smiling Jimmy Wales, shaking hands with Telenor Group CEO Jon Fredrik Baksaas. And when Jimmy Wales met with Norwegian Crown Prince Haakon in April 2012, at a “Wikipedia Academy event marking the agreement with Telenor giving free access to Wikipedia for 140 million users in Asia and Eastern Europe”, the contact person for the event was none other than – Erlend Bjørtvedt. The Wikimedia moral compass seems to have been borrowed from Captain Jack Sparrow.
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Re: Norway's Culture Minister: "Don't give money to Wikipedi

Unread post by Kumioko » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:00 pm

Mancunium wrote: Of course, Jimmy sucked as much money as he could from Telenor, which paid for his appearance at the Telenor-sponsored "Digital Winners Conference" held at Telenor Fornebu on 7 and 8 November 2013: link
Thats one of the reasons Jimbo isn't a strong influence at the WMF anymore. Because there were some questionable monetary discrepencies attached to his name.

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Kumioko wrote: Thats one of the reasons Jimbo isn't a strong influence at the WMF anymore. Because there were some questionable monetary discrepencies attached to his name.
Unless someone can show me that Wikia and the People's Operator have ever made a cent, talking about Wikipedia and Wikimedia is the internet entrepreneur's only source of income.
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