Kazakhstan

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:49 am

Further down, Dan Murphy provides another ethical beating. Damn.

"Indeed, when I last checked, employees are forbidden from editing Wikipedia." - Jimmy Wales, Dec. 25 2015. In January 2013 you were expressly told that Wikibilim employees (that is, Kazakh government employees) were editing the Kazakh Wikipedia. When the evidence of Wikibilim honcho Nartay Ashim editing the Kazakh Wikipedia was presented to you, you responded. "He edits on his own time. Lots of people do that." They were never forbidden from editing Wikipedia (and it's strange that you would claim to know so much about internal policy of an organization you otherwise have claimed you know little about - never-mind that that's not the policy). At any rate, the Kazakh Wikipedia is now run by the Kazakh government. It was run by the Nazarbayev regime at the time you rewarded the Kazakh government propaganda official Rauan Kenzhekhanuly with "Wikipedian of the year." It is still run by the Nazarbayev regime. It will be run by the regime for the foreseeable future. That has been the succesful Nazarbayev regime strategy for Wikipedia - and a model that's incredibly easy for other dictators to emulate, thanks to the Wikimedia's own policies and actions. Or perhaps better: Non-actions.Dan Murphy (talk) 17:34, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Good grief. When I was informed, I inquired. When I inquired, I was told (a) that he was editing in his own time (very common in such organizations, for example chapter employees are often active wikipedians) and I was told (b) that this would stop. I'd like to ask you: what actions are you recommending at this time?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:42, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

I'd pull the plug on the servers if I'd let my supposed encyclopedia be coopted as part of a propaganda exercise of a more than usually unsavory dictator. Then I'd begin a major initiative at board level to hire area specialists to supervise the various small Wikipedia's that are completely unsupervised and are tailor made for the brand-sweetening exercises of thugs like Nazarbayev. Language and academic expertise would be required. Ignorance is only bliss to the criminally arrogant and irresponsible.Dan Murphy (talk) 16:27, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Damn.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:48 am

Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:52 am

thekohser wrote:Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015

I don't think he's a supporter of the regime.
I think he's a cheap grifter who wanted some of that luscious consulting lucre and, like many other stupid people, got caught lying like a rug.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:06 pm

thekohser wrote:Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015

Do we know how good Jimbo's ability to read Kazakh is?

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:26 pm

Poetlister wrote:
thekohser wrote:Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015
Do we know how good Jimbo's ability to read Kazakh is?

Not sure, but I'll bet he'd be versed in Алматыда массаж салондары if he ever went there.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:56 am

thekohser wrote:
Poetlister wrote:
thekohser wrote:Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015
Do we know how good Jimbo's ability to read Kazakh is?
Not sure, but I'll bet he'd be versed in Алматыда массаж салондары if he ever went there.

I would imagine that he'd use the Foundation for Free Speech's (or whatever other tripe he's calling it this week) credit card for that purchase.

SB_Johnny · Unread post by **SB_Johnny** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:31 am

Vigilant wrote:
thekohser wrote:
Poetlister wrote:
thekohser wrote:Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015
Do we know how good Jimbo's ability to read Kazakh is?
Not sure, but I'll bet he'd be versed in Алматыда массаж салондары if he ever went there.
I would imagine that he'd use the Foundation for Free Speech's (or whatever other tripe he's calling it this week) credit card for that purchase.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:35 am

SB_Johnny wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
thekohser wrote:
Poetlister wrote:
thekohser wrote:Just leaving this here:

Jimbud Waleslan wrote:Trusting a bunch of people who don't read Kazakh and who have a long history of trying to discredit me with an insane view that I'm a supporter of the regime in Kazakhstan is hardly a proper process.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015
Do we know how good Jimbo's ability to read Kazakh is?
Not sure, but I'll bet he'd be versed in Алматыда массаж салондары if he ever went there.
I would imagine that he'd use the Foundation for Free Speech's (or whatever other tripe he's calling it this week) credit card for that purchase.

Certainly a 501c3 tax deductible expense!!

Writegeist · Unread post by **Writegeist** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:56 pm

Meanwhile, the creepy little kapo Smallbones(T-C-F-L) flashes his small boner for Jimbo. Lol. Apparently any challenge to the dishonest Dimbo narrative is to be suppressed, Kazakh-style.

Kingsindian · Unread post by **Kingsindian** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:27 pm

Where did Jimbo say that Writegeist is not welcome? Presumably Smallbones just believes he is carrying out Jimbo's wishes.

Writegeist · Unread post by **Writegeist** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:30 pm

And here also is how the Dimbokapo rolls. Der Führer's breast will be swelling with pride at the epic scale of the sycophantic devotion.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:53 am

Smallbones is really going places! Nowhere important, but places.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:02 pm

Does ArbCom really have nothing better to do than decide who can post on Jimbo's talk page? And if this really is a breach of an ArbCom ruling, shouldn't the proper enforcement procedures be followed?

Unread post by **tarantino** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:14 am

Zoloft wrote:Smallbones is really going places! Nowhere important, but places.

Jimmy has now given the buttkisser free rein to strut.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:32 pm

tarantino wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Smallbones is really going places! Nowhere important, but places.
Jimmy has now given the buttkisser free rein to strut.

It gets worse. Jimbo calls for Writegeist to be "permanently blocked" for telling "lies" about Der Leader.

And note, Jimbo says that "In all these occasions - all of them - I publicly and privately condemned the human rights abuses of these regimes." So, can we find anywhere in the 2011 or 2012 Wikimania talks where he mentioned Kazakhstan and his award(s), that he "publicly condemned" the human rights abuses of that regime? Because I don't remember a single time where Jimbo has publicly spoken to a crowd and he condemned on the record ANYTHING related to Kazakhstan. If someone can prove me wrong, I'll tip you $10.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:40 pm

thekohser wrote:
tarantino wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Smallbones is really going places! Nowhere important, but places.
Jimmy has now given the buttkisser free rein to strut.
It gets worse. Jimbo calls for Writegeist to be "permanently blocked" for telling "lies" about Der Leader.

And note, Jimbo says that "In all these occasions - all of them - I publicly and privately condemned the human rights abuses of these regimes." So, can we find anywhere in the 2011 or 2012 Wikimania talks where he mentioned Kazakhstan and his award(s), that he "publicly condemned" the human rights abuses of that regime? Because I don't remember a single time where Jimbo has publicly spoken to a crowd and he condemned on the record ANYTHING related to Kazakhstan. If someone can prove me wrong, I'll tip you $10.

Lèse-majesté (T-H-L)

Jimmy,

All anyone has to do is read your sad, untruthful answers on your reddit AMA to know that you are utterly unreliable and a terrible, terrible spokesman.

If you ever loved wikipedia, you should resign from the BoD and distance yourself from it forever.

You are an indelible stain on what should be a noble effort.

Kingsindian · Unread post by **Kingsindian** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:52 pm

Writegeist is going to get blocked if they don't desist. That's not an "ought" statement. That's an "is" statement.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:14 pm

Writegeist has extraordinary discernment, style, and humor.

In May 2011 Rauan became president of Wikibilim, in August 2011 he was given the Wikipedian of the Year award. So he was a government operative, as WG says, though not a paid employee. I will check the other statements Peter Damian (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Does the truth have any place here? Eric Corbett 21:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Wales says that in "all these occasions - all of them" that he publicly condemned the human rights abuses of these regimes. He's talking primarily about Kazakhstan. In an address at the 2012 Wikimania, this is what Wales said about Kazakhstan:
"So, now it's time for Jimbo's Awards. Yay! <applause> Um, so I started this, uh, last year, and I hope to make it an ongoing, uh, tradition. Uh, and, uh, last year, uh, for the first time I gave, uh, the Wikipedian of the Award -- of the Year Award, uh, to, uh, Rauan, who is here somewhere. Can he stand up? Here? <applause> From Kazakh Wikipedia. Uh, and um, I also, uh, a donation to the Kazakh Wikipedia community, and to visit, uh, Kazakhstan. Neither of those things have actually happened yet. <mild laughter> Um, but the offer still stands, and actually I met with the, uh, ambassador from Kazakhstan this morning. And, uh, we're planning a trip there as soon as possible so that I can, uh, give him an award in the presence of the President or Prime Minister, whoever we can wrangle to come to that. Um, and so now, uh, for this year, uh, I'm gonna do again, uh..."
There is no sign of any public condemnation there, is there? - 2001:55810:45C7:22D3:7A26:A52 (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Certainly cant see any, but Jimbo Wales says all sorts of things thst either make no sense or he doesn't follow through on. Eric Corbett 22:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:28 pm

Writegeist previously compared the autobiography of Binksternet (T-C-L) to A Diary of a Nobody (T-H-L) and wrote the play about Kevin Gorman, I believe.

Wales and Kazakhstan

Speaking of credibility, here is some illuminating dialogue with Wales about Kazakhstan and the Kazakh Wikipedia which is controlled by the regime. It’s also about Wales’s award of “Wikipedian of the Year” to an operative of the regime, and about what led Wales to publicly announce a visit there to honor this gentleman even further with a gift of $5000, to be presented personally by Wales in the presence of “dignitaries” of the regime. In the end, the visit was canceled. The honored gentleman speaks English, by the way. On his “self made public figures” page of an official Kazakh government website titled “Kazakhstan 2050 Our power”, [15] he says: “It is necessary that any person could be realized wholly as the personality and as the professional, remaining in a bosom of the native language.” (Cultured readers will of course recognize that as a direct quote from Borat Sagdiyev.) The gentleman is currently “Deputy Governor at Administration of Kyzylorda region”. Which is nice.

Wikipedia contributor Dan Murphy, in the same thread, connects the dots between Kazakhstan, the Kazakh Wikipedia, and Kazakhstan’s Wikibilim organization: “Wikibilim runs the Kazakh Wikipedia. Wikibilim is entirely funded and run by the Kazkh government and senior Kazakh government bureaucrats. The vast majority of the Kazakh Wikipedia is articles imported from the government's official propaganda encyclopedia. The Kazakh government's academy of arts and sciences runs "fact checking and quality control" on the Kazakh Wikipedia.”

This subsection is of particular personal interest.

Also connected and of interest is this article in The Telegraph, headlin

Wikipedian of the year

Might you, dear reader, be up for next year’s Wikipedian of the year? It’s like a Nobel Prize, or a Miss World crown, for beautifully high-achieving Wikipedians, only without the money, the cachet, the implants, the leery old men, or The Donald, and with, until 2015 at least, a judging panel of one: Jimmy “Jimbo” Wales. (According to the Wikipedia article, which of course may or may not be correct: “At Wikimania 2014, Wales announced that from the following year there would be a community-wide process for nominating and deciding on the winner, at User:Jimbo Wales/Wikipedian of the Year 2015. At Wikimania 2015, Wales acknowledged that process has not come about yet, but reiterated the intent to create it.”)

First recipient, in 2011, was Kazakh Wikipedia’s Rauan Kenzhekhanuly, former First Secretary at Kazakhstan’s embassy in Moscow, and Moscow bureau chief for his government’s propagandist National TV Agency, founded by the daughter of authoritarian president Nursultan Nazarbayev. When Kenzhekhanuly received the award he was running WikiBilim, a wiki organization funded and controlled by the Kazakh government.† WikiBilim received financial support from Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation.

The identity of the 2015 winner, if indeed the glorious crown was awarded at all, is unknown. If you want to be in the running for 2016, you have just about a year to float that boat of bootiful achievements!

† More on international relations between Wales and Kazakhstan at Wales and Kazakhstanabove.

SB_Johnny · Unread post by **SB_Johnny** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:30 am

Would you mind linking to these things, KW, rather than quoting from "somewhere"?

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:39 pm

There is no sign of any public condemnation there, is there? - 2001:55810:45C7:22D3:7A26:A52 (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Certainly cant see any ... Eric Corbett 22:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Where's your WP:AGF? Obviously, this is a subtle, coded message that vociferously condemns the President.

Unread post by **HRIP7** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:53 pm

Extraordinary.

Archived. Diff archive.

Kingsindian · Unread post by **Kingsindian** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:51 pm

Memo to Writegeist. There is no chance that the content will be allowed to stand. There are no inline references. Any fool can claim a BLP violation and NPA and take it off. You will be blocked. Power is allowed to be hypocritical. You aren't.

Unless it is your intention to get blocked to make a point. If so, more power to you.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:03 pm

Not since "Return of the King" have I been so happy to be surprised by a champion's appearance on the field of battle.

Hail and well met, Murph Dog.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:14 pm

HRIP7 wrote:Extraordinary.

Archived. Diff archive.

Jimbo: Writegeist is spreading lies about me, and should be permanently blocked.

Guy: The statement needs to be removed due to WP:NPA. That is what we do with blatant personal attacks on other users.

I suppose it's too much to hope that Guy is actually referring to Jimbo's attack on Writegeist.

Writegeist · Unread post by **Writegeist** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:06 am

Showtime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... user_space

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =698473551

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:15 am

Writegeist wrote:Showtime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... user_space

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Personal attack in user space

Writegeist (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log) persists in using his user page to present a personal attack on Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log). He seems unwilling to stop doing this. I think this violates WP:NPA, WP:WEBHOST, and probably WP:BLP. I could be wrong about that. I invite further review. Guy (Help!) 4:06 pm, Today (UTC−8)

    Doesn't seem to be anything to be concerned about. (IMO) Mlpearc (open channel) 4:19 pm, Today (UTC−8)

        Which part of that is the attack? I don't see it. HighInBC 4:26 pm, Today (UTC−8)

        I am seeing that revisions prior to your diff went a bit further. Seems like they toned it down once reverted. HighInBC 4:29 pm, Today (UTC−8)

            No personal attacks there now, or in the one "Guy" reverted as an "NPA." The previous version of the page [117] was 100% factual. That honest discussion about someone as influential as Wales is not permitted on Wikipedia was long ago established. But it continues to amuse.Dan Murphy (talk) 5:25 pm, Today (UTC−8)

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Latest revision as of 15:07, January 6, 2016
Taking a break

I feel honored to have been banned by Smallbones and Jimmy “Jimbo” Wales from the co-founder’s talk page for raising issues to do with Kazakhstan, the UAE, China, and Wales. It might amuse you to check out the recent history there, and also here, and also at WP:BLPN.

I don't anticipate contributing anything further for the time being.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:53 am

2015 was the year that newspaper writers introduced Jimbo Wales as a failed pornographer. 2016 will be the year that the comedians start using Jimbo Wales as their go-to example of a pathological liar.

From the 2015 Wikipediocracy thread Jimbo to get the Sorkin treatment?:

Moral Hazard wrote:
Jim wrote:
milowent wrote:Who would play Jimbo and Sanger?
Wow. I dunno, but I expect good answers to an excellent question.
Based on his performance in Fargo as Jerry Lundegaard (T-H-L), William Macy (T-H-L) could play Jimmy Wales (T-H-L) / Jimbo Wales (T-C-L).
You betcha.

On second though, Jon Lovitz would be natural.

Self-nominated for my "best of 2015" posts.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:02 pm

Writegeist wrote:raising issues to do with Kazakhstan, the UAE, China, and Wales.

Careful; "Wales" could easily be misinterpreted there!

Kingsindian · Unread post by **Kingsindian** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:32 pm

The crisis over Writegeist seems to have been headed off for now. A heavily redacted statement is left on the userpage and the ANI report is closed.

A suggestion to Writegeist: make a link to the history with the correct offset. Jimbo's talkpage has high traffic. "Recent" doesn't stay that way for long.

I was quite surprised at how long Jimbo allowed the questioning to go on. Writegeist, Dan Murphy, Peter Damian et. al. landed some quite heavy hits. Oddly my opinion of Jimbo went up slightly. The discussion is now safely archived. Out of sight, out of mind.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:00 pm

Kingsindian wrote:The crisis over Writegeist seems to have been headed off for now. A heavily redacted statement is left on the userpage and the ANI report is closed.

A suggestion to Writegeist: make a link to the history with the correct offset. Jimbo's talkpage has high traffic. "Recent" doesn't stay that way for long.

I was quite surprised at how long Jimbo allowed the questioning to go on. Writegeist, Dan Murphy, Peter Damian et. al. landed some quite heavy hits. Oddly my opinion of Jimbo went up slightly. The discussion is now safely archived. Out of sight, out of mind.

My opinion of Jimmy went down.

He let smallbones and Guy Chapman do the dirty work while he hid and whined about how unfair it all was.

I can't imagine that anyone who read the exchange comes out believing Jimmy on this.

Kingsindian · Unread post by **Kingsindian** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:05 pm

That's not what I meant. I am just happy and surprised that Jimbo replied for so long; he could have conveniently disappeared as he does so often. I of course do not believe his stories.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:11 pm

This episode was the moment in which Jimmy Wales fell into the barrel.

Commisar Gintz wants to talk to an angry mob of revolting soldiers. But Galiullin asks to speak to him before he makes any rash decisions.
Before long, a bunch of men on horses surrounds the nearby group of deserting soldiers. Commisar Gintz runs into the middle of this group and starts giving a speech to the surrounded men. He talks about patriotism and the motherland and blah blah blah… the soldiers are like: "Do not want."
Eventually, the crowd tells Gintz to shut up. His pride is hurt, since he fancies himself a very convincing public speaker.
Even the guys under Gintz's command are getting really annoyed with him. They all start to put away their swords, as if saying to Gintz, "You're on your own, buddy." They whisper to Gintz that he should take this opportunity to get back on his train and hightail it out of there.
Gintz starts walking away. But all of the soldiers start following him with guns in their hands. Yeah, that doesn't look good.
When he sees the train station, Gintz breaks into a run.
Gintz has an opportunity to go inside the train station and save himself. But once again, pride forces him to turn around and address the angry mob. Dude.
Gintz jumps up on top of a water barrel to address the crowd. For a moment, the soldiers lower their guns out of respect.
Unfortunately, Gintz steps too close to the edge of the barrel and flips the lid that he's standing on. One of his legs falls straight into the water, while the other hangs down the outside of the barrel.
The soldiers laugh hysterically at this silliness, then one of them shoots Gintz point-blank in the neck. The others all charge and stab his dead body with bayonets.

http://www.shmoop.com/doctor-zhivago/pa ... mmary.html

Writegeist · Unread post by **Writegeist** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:45 pm

Jimmy Wales has the ethics and intellectual capacity of a herring.

PR person: So Jimmy you’re getting flack about the Kazakhstan stuff. And the UAE stuff. And the China stuff. Here’s what not to say: Don’t say the Wikipedian of the Year guy wasn’t a Kazakh government operative, because the evidence shows he was. Don’t say you publicly condemned Kazak human rights abuses when you announced the award, because the evidence shows you didn’t. Don’t say you publicly condemned China’s abuse of human rights when you attended that Chinese PR bash, because the evidence shows you didn’t. Don’t say Amnesty didn’t warn you against going to China, because the evidence shows they did. Don’t slag off the guy who said going would only give succor to the regime, because the evidence is he’s a Chinese dissident who knows what he’s talking about. And don’t call anyone who brings this stuff up a liar. Because they’re not.

Jimmy: Give what sucker to the regime?

PR: Succor, Jimmy. Support.

Jimmy: OK, got it. So I’m gonna say the Wikipedian of the Year guy wasn’t a government operative, and I publicly condemned Kazakh human rights abuses when I announced the award, and UAE human rights abuses when I spoke at the UAE thing where they gave me half the million bucks, and Chinese human right abuses when I spoke at the junket in China, and I’m gonna say Amnesty didn’t say not to go. Oh, and I’ll slag off that Chinese bastard as a loudmouth. And I’ll say anyone who says otherwise is a liar. and . . . “

PR: Fuck.

BTW according to my timestamps Guy Chapman filed his complaint at ANI after I had redacted the statement on my user page. (He had already deleted two previous versions.) So even in in its most anodyne form it was still enough to give him a conniption.

Also Dan Murphy and the others who held Wales to account absolutely rock. But you already knew that.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:19 pm

Writegeist wrote:Jimmy Wales has the ethics and intellectual capacity of a herring.

PR person: So Jimmy you’re getting flack about the Kazakhstan stuff. And the UAE stuff. And the China stuff. Here’s what not to say: Don’t say the Wikipedian of the Year guy wasn’t a Kazakh government operative, because the evidence shows he was. Don’t say you publicly condemned Kazak human rights abuses when you announced the award, because the evidence shows you didn’t. Don’t say you publicly condemned China’s abuse of human rights when you attended that Chinese PR bash, because the evidence shows you didn’t. Don’t say Amnesty didn’t warn you against going to China, because the evidence shows they did. Don’t slag off the guy who said going would only give succor to the regime, because the evidence is he’s a Chinese dissident who knows what he’s talking about. And don’t call anyone who brings this stuff up a liar. Because they’re not.

Jimmy: Give what sucker to the regime?

PR: Succor, Jimmy. Support.

Jimmy: OK, got it. So I’m gonna say the Wikipedian of the Year guy wasn’t a government operative, and I publicly condemned Kazakh human rights abuses when I announced the award, and UAE human rights abuses when I spoke at the UAE thing where they gave me half the million bucks, and Chinese human right abuses when I spoke at the junket in China, and I’m gonna say Amnesty didn’t say not to go. Oh, and I’ll slag off that Chinese bastard as a loudmouth. And I’ll say anyone who says otherwise is a liar. and . . . “

PR: Fuck.
BTW according to my timestamps Guy Chapman filed his complaint at ANI after I had redacted the statement on my user page. (He had already deleted two previous versions.) So even in in its most anodyne form it was still enough to give him a conniption.

Also Dan Murphy and the others who held Wales to account absolutely rock. But you already knew that.

Tell Guy that he's no longer welcome on your pages.
You'll be able to feel his face twitch from Blighty.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:52 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:This episode was the moment in which Jimmy Wales fell into the barrel.
Commisar Gintz wants to talk to an angry mob of revolting soldiers. But Galiullin asks to speak to him before he makes any rash decisions.
Before long, a bunch of men on horses surrounds the nearby group of deserting soldiers. Commisar Gintz runs into the middle of this group and starts giving a speech to the surrounded men. He talks about patriotism and the motherland and blah blah blah… the soldiers are like: "Do not want."
Eventually, the crowd tells Gintz to shut up. His pride is hurt, since he fancies himself a very convincing public speaker.
Even the guys under Gintz's command are getting really annoyed with him. They all start to put away their swords, as if saying to Gintz, "You're on your own, buddy." They whisper to Gintz that he should take this opportunity to get back on his train and hightail it out of there.
Gintz starts walking away. But all of the soldiers start following him with guns in their hands. Yeah, that doesn't look good.
When he sees the train station, Gintz breaks into a run.
Gintz has an opportunity to go inside the train station and save himself. But once again, pride forces him to turn around and address the angry mob. Dude.
Gintz jumps up on top of a water barrel to address the crowd. For a moment, the soldiers lower their guns out of respect.
Unfortunately, Gintz steps too close to the edge of the barrel and flips the lid that he's standing on. One of his legs falls straight into the water, while the other hangs down the outside of the barrel.
The soldiers laugh hysterically at this silliness, then one of them shoots Gintz point-blank in the neck. The others all charge and stab his dead body with bayonets.

http://www.shmoop.com/doctor-zhivago/pa ... mmary.html

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:55 pm

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:39 pm

I'm surprised to discover that the English Wikipedia has an article about Rauan Kenzhekhanuly. My challenge to any impartial reader here, though, is to read each of the sources used to cite the article, and then read the Wikipedia biography. Evaluate whether the Wikipedia article does an appropriate job describing Mr. Kenzhekhanuly, given the sources cited.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:47 pm

An interesting copyright problem (in Spanish).

What is the future of the "Wikipedia seagull" in the new Kazakhstan banknotes?

When representatives of Kazakhstan's authoritarian central bank intervene in claims of infringement of intellectual property rights with ornithological explanations, clearly something has gone wrong.

Swiss photographer Marcel Burkhard argues that a seagull in the most recent version of the Kazakh tenge 500 bill (USD1.50) is an identical copy of one he photographed more than a decade ago. The photograph appears in the Wikipedia article in Russian for "seagulls" and is labeled as "common seagull".

Officials in the Mediterranean (sic!) country of Central Asia, where Russian is widely spoken, have failed to recognize intellectual property infringements despite a social media claim. But they have strongly suggested belatedly that "later" the design of the banknote will be changed.

Renée Bagslint · Unread post by **Renée Bagslint** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:13 pm

There has been a discussion at Jimbo Wales's talk page for a few days now. Wnt (T-C-L) has weighed in with a rant about how photographers don't deserve to have intellectual property rights on the pretext that they don't really do anything creative at all. Whoever this person is, s/he hates creatives as much as s/he wants to steal their work.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:23 pm

Renée Bagslint wrote:There has been a discussion at Jimbo Wales's talk page for a few days now. Wnt (T-C-L) has weighed in with a rant about how photographers don't deserve to have intellectual property rights on the pretext that they don't really do anything creative at all. Whoever this person is, s/he hates creatives as much as s/he wants to steal their work.

Whatever anyone thinks, the law is quite clear. It's not another David Slater monkey selfie case.

Speaking of cases, you can buy "MONKEY SELFIE ANIMAL HARD BLACK PHONE CASE COVER FITS IPHONE (HB)" for £3.95. I hope Mr Slater gets a cut.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 pm

SB_Johnny wrote:Would you mind linking to these things, KW, rather than quoting from "somewhere"?

Your patience deserves to be rewarded.

These are a few of my favorite things:

Moral Hazard wrote:I want to remind Wikipediocracy of the playwright Writegeist (T-C-L)'s tragicomedy about Kevin Gorman (T-C-L), Arbcom, and Eric Corbet (T-C-L), which was formerly at User:Writegeist/play (T-H-L) but which is now at https://web.archive.org/web/20140316074 ... geist/play
Writegeist wrote:

Little Kermit and the Curmudgeonly Soothsayer
A play in two acts

Characters:
I.P.COPIUS-LEE, a troll
ERIC CORDITE, a curmudgeonly soothsayer
KERMIT GOERING, a little boy
A BYSTANDER
ASSORTED HARMLESS LUNATICS, all naked
A CHORUS

The play takes place in a cemetery in Sangerville, a small town.

ACT I
As the play begins, the troll I.P.COPIUS-LEE emerges from under a nearby bridge, crouches beside a grave, cuts open an onion and rubs it under his eyes.

COPIUS-LEE (much weeping, and wailing): Oh shame, shame on you all! Lo the boy you never knew! Lo these my tears! Shame on you who knew not the boy nor what he wrote and did nothing! You whose eyes are dry!

A crowd forms. It is the CHORUS.
COPIUS-LEE: Yes shame on you who never knew him and heeded not his plight. Oh woe, oh woe, is me! Woe, woe, woe! And more woe! Behold my tears! Accursed are you all who knew him not and did nothing and wept not!

Enter ERIC CORDITE, the curmudgeonly soothsayer.
CORDITE: Ee by gum enough of your shite.

CORDITE chases COPIUS-LEE around the cemetery, kicking his backside.
Enter KERMIT GOERING, the little boy. He is in fancy dress as a policeman, and carries a stick, a plastic toy sheriff's badge, and a toy bullhorn. He has a squeaky voice.
KERMIT: You! Ewwic Cordite! I thaw that!

CORDITE: Ee by gum. Kermit. You saw what?

KERMIT: You danthing on this poor boy's gwave.

CORDITE: Bollocks. I was kicking the troll.

COPIUS-LEE, trolling done, scuttles off stage.
KERMIT: No you were danthing. I thaw it with my own lickle eyes. I'm a politheman. Watch! I shall get the wabble on my thide and then I'll do thome thmiting with my thtick! (Now uses his toy bullhorn to squeal at the crowd.) Behold the heartleth monthter! A wapsheet as long as my arm (rolls up his sleeve: his arm is indeed long for one so young), and now thith! Gwavedanthing! Pure evil! Ewwic Cordite is Thatan!

CHORUS: Ooh! Satan! A hanging! Boiling oil! Disembowelment! Guts! Blood, blood, blood!

BYSTANDER: No, Kermit. It's just Uncle Eric. He was kicking the troll.

KERMIT: Who cares. I don't like Uncle Ewwic, he's wude. And I've got a shiny lickle badge and a big thtick, so if I tell you he's Thatan, then for sure he has howwible horns and a tewwible tail. I don't have to live by your wules. You have to live by mine. I have a thilver thtar of offith! And I shall thtwike Thatan with my politheman's thtick!

CHORUS: Ooh! Satan! Off with his dick! Hanging! Boiling oil! Disembowelling! Guts! Blood, blood, blood!

KERMIT: Take THIS for your wudeness and mowwal turpitude and your wotten chawwacter and your histowy of awwests, and for being thmarter than me, and for—oh I don't know, I'll fink of thome other thtuff. (Pokes CORDITE in the eye with the stick.)

CORDITE: Ouch. Ee by gum. You little tyke. I'm off.

Exit CORDITE stage right.
BYSTANDER: Oh come on Kermit. It was just Uncle Eric, our curmudgeonly soothsayer.

KERMIT: Cumbludgeonly? Thoofthayer? Your words are not in my politheman's book of words. Behold my shiny badge, my thtar! (Waves plastic toy sheriff's star.) I can do what I like! He's Thatan!

Enter the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS
HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS: We are the arbitrators! Behold our flowing robes of office. Bow down!

KERMIT: Hello harmleth naked lunatics. Oh dudes. Look at your.. your things. Down there. Eew. Anyway, I thmote Thatan! With my own eyes I thaw him gwavedanthing! All wight-finking people were in mortal danger! I'm a politheman! I enforthed the law!

BYSTANDER (who has been joined by SEVERAL OTHERS): No really. It was just Eric. No gravedancing. He was kicking a troll. We all saw. Kermit was out of order.

KERMIT: My thilver badge of offith!

HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS: Our flowing robes of office!

BYSTANDER (to the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS): Little Kermit told outrageous fibs. He savagely poked our curmudgeonly soothsayer with his stick. Or as savagely as a mewling infant can. Will you act on the facts? Will you take Kermit's stick away from him until he learns to speak the truth and to treat others with fairness and respect?

HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS: We shall act! We are the arbitrators! Behold our flowing robes of office!

KERMIT: And wemember, Ewwic is Thatan!

CHORUS: Ooh! Satan! Off with his dick! Hanging! Boiling oil! Disembowelment! Guts! Blood, blood, blood! Act! Act! Act! Act!

The HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS lower their posteriors onto a convenient slab of monumental masonry and ceremoniously raise their hands.
A hush of anticipation. All eyes are on the seated HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS.
The HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS ceremoniously lower their hands, and sit on them.
—CURTAIN—

—ACT II—
(note to American readers: this is not the eleventh act)
The cemetery. Save for the BYSTANDER, who is not on stage, the same characters are in the same positions as before.
There is a long silence.
Enter the BYSTANDER
BYSTANDER (to the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS): Ladies and gentlemen . . .

KERMIT (screaming): Out of prothethhh! He's a thcoundwel and a cwiminal! A thcoundwel and a cwiminal! (Chanting now, turning to THE CHORUS, trying to get them to join in): Out of prothethhhh! Cwiminal! Out of prothethhhh! Cwiminal! Out of prothethhhh! Cwiminal! Out of prothethhhh! Cwiminal! Out of prothethhhh! Cwiminal! Out of prothethhhh! Cwiminal!

KERMIT gives up when he sees the CHORUS yawning and hanging their heads. He flops onto the ground, exhausted.
CHORUS (mumbling to themselves): Boring. Wanted Satan's dick. Hanging. Boiling oil. Etcetera.

Again the BYSTANDER addresses the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS
BYSTANDER: Don't just sit there. Do something.

One of the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS turns to the others.
HARMLESS NAKED LUNATIC: Did anyone bring the Ex-Lax?

HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS: Tee hee. Poo!

BYSTANDER (impatient now, bellowing): So shit or get off the pot!

HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS (rising to their feet): Behold our flowing robes!

They all point at KERMIT
KERMIT (softly, imploring, voice quavering, hands clutching plastic badge to chest): Behold my thilver badge of offith.

There is a hush. At last the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS make their pronouncement.
HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS: Tut!

Everyone waits. But the HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS have nothing to add, and stop pointing. Eventually KERMIT breaks the silence.
KERMIT: Meh.

He thrusts his toy badge at the BYSTANDER'S face. Then triumphantly raises the badge aloft and commences a victory jig.
KERMIT (sneering chant provides the rhythm for the jig): Thilver badge of off-ith, thilver badge of off-ith, thilver badge of off-ith . . . "

Exit KERMIT stage right, jigging and chanting.
The HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS all bow.
HARMLESS NAKED LUNATICS: Flowing robes!

KERMIT (off-stage, faint): Thilver badge of off-ith!

Blackout.

—FINAL CURTAIN—

Binksternet and Writegeist wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... ist/Gorman

Play
The play you wrote in userspace should be deleted as it does not appear to be part of building the encyclopedia. It's clearly a parody of Kevin Gorman (T-C-L)'s recent sally against Eric Corbett (T-C-L), so it likely falls under WP:ATTACK (T-H-L). I think you should nominate it for deletion.
Binksternet (T-C-L) 22:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

User page
The autobiography you wrote in userspace should be deleted as it does not appear to be part of building the encyclopedia. It's clearly a humorless parody of George and Weedon Grossmith's The Diary of a Nobody, so it likely falls under WP:BORING and WP:CRAP. I think you should nominate it for deletion.
On a more serious note, I was sorry to read about your rocky marriage. I sincerely hope the rockiness didn't come as any great surprise. Writegeist (T-C-L) 08:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

More thespian news
Thank you for so generously recommending a nomination for Little Kermit and the Curmudgeonly Soothsayer. My first-ever nomination! Thrilling! Oh God, where to start. I want to thank my agent Stella Gushington . . . the play's darling director Max "Stuffy" Clark, who can do no wrong . . . er, my adorable wife Lysistrata, where are you babycakes, oh yes there she is in the aisle seat! And by the way don't believe what you read, those are real! Where was I, oh yes, Lysistrata's hairdresser Crispin Primp . . . and my mother . . . and . . . Oh, okay, later.
Binkie, without doubt it was your review that helped lift the play from its relative obscurity at the off-off Broadway Prints of Whales theatre, which in turn precipitated its recent successful transfer to the storied Wikipediocracy Palace. As a token of gratitude and esteem, and encouraged both by your thespian credentials and the beard in your headshot, the producers are willing to offer you the opportunity to try out as understudy for the small but pivotal role of the troll in the new, all-star Wikipediocracy Palace production.
Writegeist (T-C-L) 00:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Binksternet's autobiographical parody of "Diary of a Nobody", violating WP:Boring and WP:Crap:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Binksternet

I am Michael "Bink" Knowles, known as Binksternet on Wikipedia, a California-based live audio engineer and Wikipedia editor. I have edited Wikipedia since July 2007, starting 202 new articles, and I have an edit count of more than 275,000.[1]

As an audio engineer, I spend a lot of time sitting and listening to the sounds that are coming off of the stage and out of the loudspeakers. When everything is going smoothly, and the job is not complex, I pay attention only if something sounds wrong to me. This sort of light duty work lets my mind wander a bit. As a crew member, I also spend time waiting for the video and lighting people to get done with their adjustments. As well, I often spend time waiting for the people who are supposed to be rehearsing on stage. I like to devote all of this light duty time to editing Wikipedia.

Contents
1 Early life
2 Telephony
3 Audio
4 Wikipedia
5 Personal life
5.1 Nickname
6 References
Early life
My first home was in Rialto, California; a breezy city swept by clean desert air coming through Cajon Pass. The little city started as orange groves but in the 1960s it was fast changing to tracts of homes. I was raised in a family of six singers and musicians. All the members of the Knowles family were involved in summer stock plays and light opera productions in the Inland Empire. Some unusual people came through our house: Turbaned Korla Pandit played for a living room full of guests, and left long, curving scratches on the Steinway piano because of his oversized rings. People tried ESP experiments, and a medium read the auras of us children. An early version of The Ungame was tested on us.

I was an active child except when I was reading books, which was often. I read the family's World Book Encyclopedia, and I probably annoyed people by quoting facts from it. I learned to sing in harmony with others and as a soloist, and I played clarinet. In 1975, my mother moved us four children to Irvine, California; I was in the first class of students at Irvine High School. I earned a National Merit Scholarship Program grant for college.

At the University of California, San Diego, I began as a biology major but soon swapped major and minor to focus on music. I learned about the physics of sound waves, the characteristics of music perception and psychoacoustics, and about the new field of digital audio. During college, I married my high school sweetheart. The rocky marriage produced a son and a daughter but lasted only four years.

Telephony
After college, I obtained work with AT&T in San Francisco, training on old 1A2 business telephone systems which were being replaced by digital phones. In the aftermath of the breakup of the Bell System, I was suddenly in demand as a telephone technician for various independent phone companies all around the San Francisco Bay Area. I honed my electronics knowledge as well as my trouble-shooting skills.

Audio
Despite some success in the telephone business, I longed for a career in the music industry. In 1987 I enrolled in Leo de Gar Kulka's College for Recording Arts, and joined the Audio Engineering Society (AES). After completing the year-long recording program, I was hired by Harry McCune, Jr., president of McCune Audio Visual. Instead of working in the recording industry, I took up sound for live events—a field with a one-shot, must-get-it-right performance aspect which reminded me of my youth when I was an actor and singer on stage. This characteristic appealed to me more than the thought of sitting in a recording studio, mixing the same pop song over and over, and I settled into my role as live sound engineer. I helped with sound at the Bohemian Club and the Bohemian Grove (both Leo de Gar Kulka and Harry McCune were club members) and I assisted on the main stage at Monterey Jazz Festival. I mixed sound for bands, churches, conventions, corporations and politicians. Notable artists I worked with include Tony Bennett, Rita Rudner, Carlos Santana, the Peninsula Symphony, Peter Duchin, Graham Nash, Bernie Krause, Michelle Shocked, Ozzy Osbourne, Tito Puente, and Steve Miller with Norton Buffalo. One memorable event was mixing sound for the San Quentin inmates, a special taping of Comic Strip Live in August 1990 – when Paul Rodriguez opened the show by turning his rear toward the prisoners and shouting, "You aren't getting any of this!" I thought, well now, it's on.

In 1994, I left McCune to work as an independent audio engineer; a role that has continued to the present. My focus is on corporate events and tech conventions, but I still mix musical acts. I have worked with Joan Baez, Meklit Hadero, Peter Buffett, the California Honeydrops, funkster George Clinton, Quartet San Francisco, Atsuko Hashimoto, Gerald Clayton, the Clayton-Hamilton Jazz Orchestra, Pamela Z, Patti Labelle, Beardyman, Lavay Smith & Her Red Hot Skillet Lickers, Charlie Mars, Eric Lewis (ELEW), Julian Lage, Charlie Haden, Ravi Coltrane, Geri Allen, Houston Person, Warren Hellman, Lenny Williams, Kailasa, Manooghi Hi, Ken Peplowski, Wycliffe Gordon, Rosie Flores, Geographer, the New Mastersounds, Nishat Khan and Masayuki Koga. People who know me have probably heard the funny stories about Slayer, Richard Simmons, Danielle Steele, Andy Grove, Bill Walsh, Larry Ellison and more.

I stumbled upon Dave Stevens' online Live Audio Board (LAB) in 2001; it had been serving as a conversation point for live audio engineers since 1994, starting as a Listserv distributed by email. When I encountered LAB it was a bulletin board system at http://www.roaddog.com, which was Dave's domain. I became a frequent contributor to LAB, and in addition to other live sound mixers, I met some professional design engineers working for audio manufacturers. I announced in late December 2001 that I would mail copies of my "Bink Audio Test CD" to LAB members for free as a Christmas gift and promotion. I created the CD using Cool Edit Pro software; some 50 discs were mailed. In response to continuing demand, in February 2002 the audio test CD was offered online by a LAB member who had available server space. Later, other sites mirrored it. The CD proved to have a lasting effect.

In late 2003 I put together a shootout of various makes and models of graphic equalizers, with Mike Allen/Butler analyzing them on a test bench, and other volunteers listening to them on a stage. I ran a series of test signals through the units and compared the input to the output by way of Smaart software. I published the results online, saying that an Audient product had won: the ASP231.[2]

As a member of AES, I have volunteered to lead panel discussions on various live sound topics at AES conventions. I moderated some panels on automixers, and corporate sound mixing practices, in San Francisco, New York, London and Los Angeles beginning in 2008.[3]

Wikipedia

I participated in the first Roundtable on Editor Engagement at WMF. In the photo I am suggesting that Wikipedia editors should always be logged in, which would stop IP vandalism but not other disruption.
I started editing Wikipedia in July 2007 after seeing an incomplete list of films featuring tango dancing.[4] My interests are wide-ranging, covering architecture, military history, aviation, film, California, the Bohemian Club, musicians and music, and of course audio engineering. I have taken four articles to the level of Featured Article, showcasing Wikipedia's best work. Three of the four articles were ones that I started from scratch, on topics that I knew nothing about until I began research for the article. I find it stimulating to learn just enough about a certain topic to write a good encyclopedia article—the process of reading new books, and searching online, engages me.

In January 2013, I was named in a Daily Dot article about Wikipedia editors working to uncover and correct a series of internal hoaxes created by User:Legolas2186.[5] Legolas2186 had introduced fabricated references and text on a number of articles, the most prominent being Madonna (entertainer), which is in the top 500 Wikipedia articles by volume of internet traffic. The Daily Dot noted that I was the first person to question Legolas2186 about his problematic references. At User talk:Legolas2186/Fixing citation problems, I created a page to serve as a place for the community to investigate and fix the problems.

Skeptic Tim Farley wrote about me in December 2013 in regard to a WP:Conflict of interest noticeboard (COIN) discussion and the Deepak Chopra biography. The COIN thread started out with editor Vivekachudamani accusing me and Alexbrn of having a conflict of interest on Chopra topics. After a misstep by Chopra briefly revealing Vivekachudamani's real name at the Chopra Foundation blog, I searched various online sources and found that Vivekachudamani (under his real name) had stated in a brief biographical blurb that he had been performing research work for Chopra for 15 years. This discovery turned the COIN discussion around 180 degrees, resulting in Vivekachudamani saddled with conflict-of-interest limitations—a WP:Boomerang result.[6]

Personal life
I live in Oakland with my second wife, a web programmer. We met in early 1996 and married in May 2001. I learned to tango with my wife and we have danced in Washington DC, Berlin, Madrid, Buenos Aires, Puerto Vallarta, Denver and many cities along the West Coast of the US. From my previous marriage I have a son and daughter, and I have six grandchildren. I like to listen to music, to hike, and to drink microbrews, especially ones with a pronounced hops flavor.

Nickname
The nickname "Bink" comes from a gig I had on May 19, 1989, when I was the junior member of a McCune road crew working an event in Chicago. We flew into town the night before and I said I was going to read and get some sleep rather than go drinking and carousing with the others. They said I was doing it all wrong, that road gigs are for cutting loose. The next morning they announced that they had dubbed me "Binky", and that I must answer to that name whether I liked it or not. I did not like it, and I worked hard the next few years to get people to call me "Bink", which I thought was a better moniker, somewhat more mature-sounding. I had more success with this effort as time progressed. On the positive side, the nickname helped me stand out from all the Mikes and Michaels.

References
*My edits per WMF Labs counter
*Total edits: over 275,000
*Top 100 at WP:List of Wikipedians by number of edits (and I don't use a bot.)
Baldock, Lee (January 21, 2004). "Audient wins in graphic EQ shootout". LSi Online.
"125th AES Convention Charts Live Sound Events – Automixing, White Space Issues, Innovations in Live Sound & More". AES Press Release: AES San Francisco 2008. Audio Engineering Society. September 12, 2008. Retrieved July 17, 2013.
This was my first-ever edit to Wikipedia, as an anonymous IP editor, on July 28, 2007. That same IP was used previously and subsequently by my wife who has never registered a Wikipedia username.
My first non-IP edit was on July 28, 2007, with this announcement on my user page, 33 minutes after my anonymous edit.
Morris, Kevin (January 18, 2013). "How vandals are destroying Wikipedia from the inside". The Daily Dot.
Farley, Tim (December 11, 2013). "Quantum variations in Wikipedia rules – Deepak Chopra and conflict of interest". Skeptical Software Tools. Retrieved February 18, 2013.

thekohser · Unread post by **thekohser** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:44 pm

thekohser wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:39 pm
I'm surprised to discover that the English Wikipedia has an article about Rauan Kenzhekhanuly. My challenge to any impartial reader here, though, is to read each of the sources used to cite the article, and then read the Wikipedia biography. Evaluate whether the Wikipedia article does an appropriate job describing Mr. Kenzhekhanuly, given the sources cited.

This still amazes me. (Though, not really.) The current 2020 biography of Rauan Kenzhekhanuly is written to document his credentials in a way that borders on laudatory... with no hint of the controversy surrounding him. In contrast, look at the headlines of some of the sources used to support this biography:

[*] Williams, Christopher (24 December 2012). "Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales restricts discussion of Tony Blair friendship". The Telegraph.
[*] Morris, Kevin (25 December 2012). "Wikipedia's odd relationship with the Kazakh dictatorship". The Daily Dot.
[*] Michel, Casey (2 April 2015). "Wikipedia Founder Distances Himself from Kazakhstan PR Machine". EurasiaNet.
[*] Green, Chris (19 February 2015). "Jack Straw criticised for accepting part-time job paid for by Kazakhstan". The Independent.

This article should be used as an example whenever anyone says "you can trust Wikipedia, because the content is cited to reliable sources".

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:27 pm

thekohser wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:44 pm
This article should be used as an example whenever anyone says "you can trust Wikipedia, because the content is cited to reliable sources".

There is no shortage of that sort of thing. I recently drew attention in the crap articles thread to RAF Fauld explosion (T-H-L) which utterly failed to use its sources correctly. It has now been fixed as a result of that discussion. Is anyone brave enough to fix this article?

Eric Corbett · Unread post by **Eric Corbett** » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:48 pm

Poetlister wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:27 pm

thekohser wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:44 pm
This article should be used as an example whenever anyone says "you can trust Wikipedia, because the content is cited to reliable sources".
There is no shortage of that sort of thing. I recently drew attention in the crap articles thread to RAF Fauld explosion (T-H-L) which utterly failed to use its sources correctly. It has now been fixed as a result of that discussion. Is anyone brave enough to fix this article?

Many of the "brave" editors have been blocked/banned.

Those who haven't, who are foolish enough to step in, will find themselves blocked/banned soon enough.