Wikipediocracy

I've been doing some research into The Incel Wiki, which is at incels.wiki, as most editors there also edit other wikis. They have articles on just about every single bit of misogynist nonsense an incel has come up with, and articles about the websites of the incel community. They also have articles about "famous" incels, which usually means anyone who gets talked about enough on incel forums.

William at the Incel Wiki, who is the admin of it, is Willwill0415 (T-C-L) on Wikipedia and Neiltyson1fan on RationalWiki. He's also the main editor of RationalWiki's article on the term incel, which isn't a good look. I wouldn't let a racist define what racist means, and I wouldn't let an incel do so with incel either.

Thebreeze/Thebreeze2 appears to have been the main editor along with William for a while. He's likely edited the English Wikipedia using IP addresses like: 92.2.73.254 and 79.67.85.74 along with 88.104.37.245, all which are from the UK.

Wizard32 is Tyciol (T-C-L) on Wikipedia, he's the only incel who shares so many interests with Tyciol, such as Canadian topics, bodybuilding, kids cartoons, and editing of Wikis. The way they format their talk pages is the same as well.

Nathan Larson is editing there using an IPV6 range: link. He's made articles about other incels and a guy who got arrested for child porn who was on two forums Nathan Larson ran.

Katie wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 12:32 am

I've been doing some research into The Incel Wiki,...

My initial reaction was: "What, Wikipedia? Just call it Wikipedia..."

I won't say it's a fascinating thing to pay a visit to Incelland, but I did find this article that might entertain the WPO folk...

https://incels.wiki/w/List_of_Wikipedians

RfB

They have their own movie now.

Randy from Boise wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 12:43 am

https://incels.wiki/w/List_of_Wikipedians

This is not, as you might suspect, a list of Wikipedians known or believed to be incels. It looks like a list of people they don't like.

Picking an article at random, Brazilian girls opens "Brazilian women are widely regarded as one of the hottest in the planet ... attractive females with hot bodies, and exotic beauties."

I simply can not imagine why these gentlemen have trouble relating to women.

RfB

And... it's gone. https://incels.wiki/w/List_of_Wikipedians
Archive March 29: http://archive.is/69hkO

A sense of "coincidence" looms in the air.

I can still see it. Was it briefly deleted? There's nothing in the log to suggest that.

The whole site was down.

Being an incel must be very popular these days!

RfB

From BoingBoing: “Incel blows off own hands trying to make anti-cheerleader bomb, still a wanker”

link

......................... with increased level of difficulty.

RfB

That's just The Stranger

Thebreeze/Thebreeze2, formerly one of the most active editors there, likely edited the English Wikipedia as Someone65 (T-C-L)/North Atlanticist Usonian (T-C-L) and also Thylacoop5 (T-C-L). I don't think there's that many Wikipedia editors out there who are Somalian, interested in human sexuality, religion, odd words and who edit from London. He has a lot of socks on Wiktionary, as this shows: link. He also had a Reddit account as Busybodymisses.

I sometimes think that incels and wikis just go together like bread and butter. Whether this guy, Ryulong, or anyone else.

(Not that I'd know, of course).

Maybe I am misremembering, but didn't Ryulong claim to hate incels? I guess he could have been one too (it's not like Wikipedia editors have a high amount of sex on average).

Ryulong is the type of guy who'd have to sneak up on his own hand.

owl be it wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:24 pm

(it's not like Wikipedia editors have a high amount of sex on average).

I really don't know how much sex the average Wikipedian has. Why do you think it's less than the general population? I mean, it's tempting to assume that all Wikipedians are unattractive and socially awkward, but that's probably not true. And unattractive socially awkward people have sex, too.

Wow, what a rabbit hole. "Nonetheless, tapirs are pretty much shortcels".

There's a famous troll artist who is obsessed with tapirs...

User:Seal Boxer/tapir transportation (T-H-L)

Box of seals

The incel wiki is awesome, in the sense of “a good place to find batshit ramblings to laugh at with your friends on Discord”…

71 edits in the last 30 days: link

All IPs except Altmark22 and Wizard32

Smiley wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 am

71 edits in the last 30 days: link.

All IPs except Altmark22 and Wizard32.

Is this vandalism or serious?

In recent years, Reddit has been subject to rampant shilling by GPT AI driven bots, to the point where they are nearly indistinguishable from real users. This, in combination with rampant censorship, has made the site nearly unusable to discuss any topic considered inconvenient or politically incorrect. As a result (see below) most subreddits deemed not NPC friendly have been banned.

Smiley wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 am

71 edits in the last 30 days: link

All IPs except Altmark22 and Wizard32

Noticed people are screenshotting incels.wiki, and while that still resolves

The wiki as referenced in the OP, including the creators, moved to hhttps://incelwiki.com now https://incelwiki.org years ago during drama about a server admin

since 2020, .wiki has been adminned by "Altmark22", with editors Wizard32, Bibipi, and Postcel etc
and .com/org adminned by "William" and "Proofreader", with editors Jet112, Tomato, etc
https://en.incelwiki.org/Incels.wiki
https://en.incelwiki.org/Project:About

Someone made a rundown of it all on Youtube recently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46SsBNl6yk

Smiley wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:19 am

Happy pride month to the supposed droves of homocels out there

wiki-reviewer wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:48 am

Someone made a rundown of it all on Youtube recently

Lol, this ranks up there with the rivalry between Harry Potter fanfic camps back in the mid-2000s. What a bunch of assclowns, who thankfully by definition will likely not be reproducing.

Also;

https://incels.wiki/w/List_of_Wikipedians

Sad, no honorable mention for me? I put in a lot of work to oppose Valoem putting this shite into mainspace, back in the day, when it truly was a non-notable fringe band of circle-jerks.

perusing their new incelwiki.org domain, it appears to have many more articles, but it's not clear when they were written as the history pages are locked

Made an account on incelwiki.org to track the differences between the old and new URLs as incelwiki.org's recentchanges is also locked

incels.wiki's most recent additions are rants about Jews from 'wizard32'
https://incels.wiki/index.php?title=His ... ldid=67224
https://incels.wiki/index.php?title=Cha ... ldid=59126

Looks like a dumping ground for trolls who didn't move to the newere URL

incelwiki.org's most recent additions are pages about Masters and Johnson, and Alfred Kinsey
https://en.incelwiki.org/William_H._Mas ... E._Johnson
https://en.incelwiki.org/Alfred_Kinsey

They appear to be taking different directions. Additionally, there appears to be little to no manosphere content on incelwiki.org compared to incels.wiki

wiki-reviewer wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:09 pm

Made an account on incelwiki.org to track the differences between the old and new URLs as incelwiki.org's recentchanges is also locked

incels.wiki's most recent additions are rants about Jews from 'wizard32'
https://incels.wiki/index.php?title=His ... ldid=67224
https://incels.wiki/index.php?title=Cha ... ldid=59126

Looks like a dumping ground for trolls who didn't move to the newere URL

incelwiki.org's most recent additions are pages about Masters and Johnson, and Alfred Kinsey
https://en.incelwiki.org/William_H._Mas ... E._Johnson
https://en.incelwiki.org/Alfred_Kinsey

They appear to be taking different directions. Additionally, there appears to be little to no manosphere content on incelwiki.org compared to incels.wiki

Wikipedia's take on Manosphere (T-H-L).

EricBarbour wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:11 am

this is BULLSHIT.

ALL wikis are "incel wikis". By automatic definition. Because incels have the time and the irrational fixations to control a public wiki, and to fight off anyone who disagrees with them.

And with that, the score is now home team 0, visitors 1.

EricBarbour wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:11 am

this is BULLSHIT.

ALL wikis are "incel wikis". By automatic definition. Because incels have the time and the irrational fixations to control a public wiki, and to fight off anyone who disagrees with them.

Anyone who has actually looked at the Wikipedia article on incel (T-H-L)s could easily see that this is not the case.

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:27 am

Anyone who has actually looked at the Wikipedia article on incel (T-H-L)s could easily see that this is not the case.

Perhaps he's including "incels who don't believe they're incels" in his characterization of people who run wikis...?

That said, you have to figure that some Wikipedia folks manage to have it off on occasion. Not the high-volume people, obviously, but even for them it's probably not fair to over-generalize.

Midsize Jake wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:22 am

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:27 am

Anyone who has actually looked at the Wikipedia article on incel (T-H-L)s could easily see that this is not the case.

Perhaps he's including "incels who don't believe they're incels" in his characterization of people who run wikis...?

That said, you have to figure that some Wikipedia folks manage to have it off on occasion. Not the high-volume people, obviously, but even for them it's probably not fair to over-generalize.

They don't use the word 'incel' in such a way that requires self-identification or participation in x or y
They being good chunk of internet commentators, dictionaries, websites, and incels

Vandale dictionary
http://www.vandale.nl/wvdd-incel
"Incel": "Someone of any gender who lives in involuntary celibacy" (paraphrased)

Collegium wiki
https://collegium.fandom.com/wiki/Incel
"Incel": "Someone of any gender celibate due to body dysmorphia" (paraphrased)


Creepypasta wiki
https://creepypastas-with-no-limit.fand ... wiki/Incel
"Incel": "Someone of any gender unable to get sex or romance" (paraphrased)


incelwiki.org
https://en.incelwiki.org/Incel
"Incel": "Anyone abstinent born from an inability to have sex from social pressures, medical illness, internal factors, or rejection" (paraphrased)


incels.wiki
https://incels.wiki/w/Incel
"Incel": "Any male forced into celibacy through rejection" (paraphrased)

Wikipedia's definition of incel is odd in that it goes "incels are members of x subculture who believe that they are incel"
It's sort of this internal loop logic thing that doesn't resolve unless you think people don't use incel to refer to non-self-identifieds

It ignores the term was and is used to refer to anyone hard up (for any reason). That definition started prior to 2018, a definition still used by many outside incel websites

This other definition can be found in Wikipedia, but in prior years of Wikipedia
https://web.archive.org/web/20100713165 ... wiki/Incel

I remember random people calling each other incel on AIM messenger. Wikipedia trying to shoehorn the word into some subculture or Redditified collection of forums, might just be them overzealous trying to repent for popularizing the generic usage of the term in prior years. But Wikipedias latest attempt to re-engineer the word comes across as POV pushing.

The newspaper definition of the term is also pretty loose and changes over time. Sometimes it means a person who is a member of some specific website, and sometimes it means a person who the journalist thinks is kind of like some other person who is a member of that website. It is kind of like "far-left" or "far-right" in this respect.

Incels are not just dudes who can't get laid so they spend their time obsessing on wikis or other web places. The main thrust is that they blame feminism for depriving them of their god-given right to have sex with beautiful women.

rhindle wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:38 pm

Incels are not just dudes who can't get laid so they spend their time obsessing on wikis or other web places. The main thrust is that they blame feminism for depriving them of their god-given right to have sex with beautiful women.

It doesn't seem like anybody can agree on what this made-up word means, so why not just say what we mean by the word instead?

owl be it wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:13 am

rhindle wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:38 pm

Incels are not just dudes who can't get laid so they spend their time obsessing on wikis or other web places. The main thrust is that they blame feminism for depriving them of their god-given right to have sex with beautiful women.

It doesn't seem like anybody can agree on what this made-up word means, so why not just say what we mean by the word instead?

Ah, that way lies madness, chaos, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!

Allow me to demonstrate: I'll use your words, but slowly turn the dial a bit to the right...

It doesn't appear that everyone will come together with how their confabulated utterance scans, hence indubitably shan't genuflect indefinite article nosotros ken adjacent to noun elephant?

rhindle wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:38 pm

Incels are not just dudes who can't get laid so they spend their time obsessing on wikis or other web places. The main thrust is that they blame feminism for depriving them of their god-given right to have sex with beautiful women.

This was/is true for Reddit-derived incel forums, but some incel sites say explicitly that feminism did not cause or exacerbate "inceldom"

Like this 2,000 word essay on an incel wiki

https://en.incelwiki.org/Sexual_revolut ... hypothesis

There's at least 4 names claiming ownership over the wiki via legal documents, at times warring with each other, and asking that a particular domain for the wiki be removed from search. Only 2-3 of these are probably separate people.

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/29311092
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/29286607
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/29168539
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/22546869

"Randy Thompson" and "Vokl LLC" are claimed in the notices to be aliases for a domainer named Lamarcus, who allegedly owns the incels.wiki domain name. This individual been making the news lately. https://news.google.com/search?q=%22lamarcus%20small%22 The "Randy" alias was reported as a fake alias for him in NYTimes, according to one of the notices
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/09/podc ... ation.html

The incelwiki.org domain owner, also seemingly referenced in the OP as the original wiki admin, was in conflict with Lamarcus last month according to Lumens.

Most wikis are considered to be collective endeavors by default. It appears Lamarcus started the whole thing against incelwiki.org after the original crew stopped using his domain name and continued on .org. It seems neither party decided to take action against the other, as all URLs referenced in the database are back online, and I no longer see a lumens statement about them.

incelwiki.org (the much more tame wiki) goes on at length about what were likely failed contracts between US federal government agencies and a (former?) Silber NGO ("LuL") that was advertising incels.is as having safe/sane/responsible founders and leaders. This happened during 2021, and possibly as far back as 2019. Going through the sources, a lot of this checks out.

For context, incels.is is reported to have promoted hopelessness, rape, pedophilia, and murder during the time the NGO was saying this. And at a rate of almost once per 30 minutes for some of that stuff. Albeit, not saying the feds or the NGO were responsible for this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... der-study/
https://counterhate.com/research/incelosphere/
One person who likely got paid by LuL and whitewashed incels.is leaders promotes extreme hopelessness on their Twitter https://archive.ph/0VAbc

Evidence of former government alliance in incels.is is all over Twitter and incels.is affiliated sites (of which incels.wiki is now a child of).
For example, incels.is' "incel blog" features only a few writers, 3 of whom were working directly with and/or for LuL , and 1 of which is a former Task Force 134 member as a PsySME
http://girds.org/staff/ken-reidy-fellow
https://archive.ph/b786F

These show the NGO LuL directly promoting incels.is (then called incels.co)
https://web.archive.org/web/20210114172 ... -shifters/
This shows the (former?) LuL parent company CEO referencing "significant" federal government funding of this the tiny NGO which was promoting incels.is. The CEO references it's now dead CO named "jesse morton", who also appears to have died the same day a government investigation was launched against the founder of incels.is
Government funding notice: https://archive.md/XwnZa
Obituary date of LuL parent company CO "Jesse" who was young and healthy (dec 21st 2021) https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/ ... =200930546
Date of launch of investigation into incels.is founder Diego (dec 21st 2021) https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/ ... o-uc807881
2019 990 form for LuL's parent company "PN" showing Mitch as CEO and Morton as CO
https://docs.candid.org/990/824/8247309 ... 1668980146

owl be it wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:24 pm

Maybe I am misremembering, but didn't Ryulong claim to hate incels? I guess he could have been one too (it's not like Wikipedia editors have a high amount of sex on average).

If "incel" just means "someone who has no sex life and is unhappy about it" - irrespective of politics, then he fits the bill.

But I've seen it also used as a "less-literal" slang term for individuals who strongly attack feminism or women's rights. (Even though they may not all be literally "celebate" - such as polygamist Mormon cult leaders who technically have a "sex life" in spite of their 3rd world views of women's rights).

The implication might be that they're sexually frustrated, so they promote repressive, "far-right" attitudes towards women thinking it will give them a better shot at "getting laid".

So if he said he "hates" incels, he was probably specifically thinking of far-righter who hate feminism and women's rights. (Despite Ryulong meeting the more technical definition of "incel" himself - which reveals quite a bit of cognitive dissonance). I've seen individuals like him who are obviously "involutarnily celebate" still use "incel" as an insult toward others, and that always seems odd.

rhindle wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:38 pm

Incels are not just dudes who can't get laid so they spend their time obsessing on wikis or other web places. The main thrust is that they blame feminism for depriving them of their god-given right to have sex with beautiful women.

Yes, and the irony is that in ancient, Biblical times, "low-status" men were often forbidden from marrying or having a sexual partner at all unless their King or ruler permitted it - with polygamy specifically encouraging "powerful" men to take more of the women as wives or concubines, leaving none for the "weak" or "unfit" men at all.

And often, the "weak men' were simply castrated and forced to serve as eunuch slaves in the haram. Such as how the Bible talks about a Queen Candice owning Ethiopan eunuch slaves:

And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, - Acts 8:27 KJV


So essentionally, the only reason that "incels" even so much as have a right to exist at all (let alone feign an "entitlement" to attractive women) is due to our "feminist, egalitarian values" which forces us to tolerate them.

In patriarchial, Biblical times, they likely would've been treated closer to how Jewish people were treated under Hitler, or how "defectives" were treated by the ancient Spartans, with the best they could've hoped for being a slave under a comparitively "merciful" ruler who "might" let them marry a female slave after serving a decade of hard labor.

FelinaLavandula wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:10 am

The incel wiki is awesome, in the sense of “a good place to find batshit ramblings to laugh at with your friends on Discord”…

Haven't had the stomach to peruse it, but I imagine that incel wikis are more or less the male equivalnt of radical feminism

(And by "radical" feminism I'm refering to individuals like Valerie Solanas who advocated genocide and was sent to prison for murdering Andy Warhol. As opposed to incel wikis merely using "radical feminism" to refer to "reality itself" or any aspect of reality they don't like - including ones which are more rooted in Christianity or "traditional values" having no relation to "feminism" at all except to a delusional mind).

Essentially, a bunch of schizophrenic and sexually-deprived ramblings dressed up in big words and pseudo-intellectualism to give the appearance of credibility.

Midsize Jake wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 2:18 am

They have their own movie now.

Out of curiosity, is the incel fixation specifically on "having a girlfriend / not being single" or just about "having sex"? (Since the latter does not necessarily require the former).

This may be TMI, but I haven't had a girlfriend in a long time. Don't want one for the time being. I haven't had a hard time having sex with no strings attached whenever I was actively looking to do so.

(So obviously I wouldn't consider myself an "incel" unless "NO GF" is the only criteria regardless of one's actual sex life).

Nemo wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:49 am

(And by "radical" feminism I'm refering to individuals like Valerie Solanas who advocated genocide and was sent to prison for murdering Andy Warhol....

That's militant feminism. Radical feminism is much more pro-Warhol.