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[Nemo]

(And by "radical" feminism I'm refering to individuals like Valerie Solanas who advocated genocide and was sent to prison for murdering Andy Warhol....

That's militant feminism. Radical feminism is much more pro-Warhol.

Fair enough. I'm not an expert on the terminologies. If you think there's a fixed definition for the term "radical" (as opposed to it just being used in a "far left" / "far right" sense), what would you say it advocates? The WP article for Solanas used the term "radical" last time I checked.

[Midsize Jake]

If you think there's a fixed definition for the term "radical" (as opposed to it just being used in a "far left" / "far right" sense), what would you say it advocates? The WP article for Solanas used the term "radical" last time I checked.

Ehh, it's not like I ever took a college-level course on it or anything, and it's certainly a complex subject with lots of history behind it, which usually segments the movement into four different "waves." But if I were asked to put it as simply as possible (and risk oversimplifying it in the process), I'd say a "mainstream" feminist is someone who believes that men and women should be treated equally by society; a "radical" feminist believes the inequality is a form of oppression and that social and governmental action should be pursued to end that oppression and achieve equality; and a "militant" feminist believes that those actions can and should include the use of force, possibly even including illegal force, at least under certain conditions.

The Wikipedia article isn't terrible — in fact, it's pretty good relative to many WP articles on other contentious subjects. It could be better-organized, but IMO it's mostly accurate, or at least defensible.

[wiki-reviewer]

Jesse Morton is now dead at a young age with no explanation. This happened Dec 21st 2021. https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituar ... er-7973039

He led the aforementioned government funded NGO which was promoting ex-incels.wiki administrator User:Eth, also known as Alexander Ash aka Sergeantincel aka Diego Jaoquin Galante
https://archive.is/OyzdX

A criminal investigation was launched against Diego for a suicide facilitation site he founded and ran, the same day morton died
https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/ ... o-uc807881

Logs show User:Eth was removed as an administrator of incels.wiki in early 2022 by a current incels.wiki administrator named User:Master, aka Lamarcus

[wiki-reviewer]

Incelwiki.com and incelwiki.org stopped resolving on or before January 9th 2023.

Their farewell page claims they were the original wiki writers and that the wiki was no longer fun to write for and that the humor expired, and that this is why they shut it down https://archive.is/AJnWR. archive.org seems to have archived most or all of both domains.

Using the public API to browse incels.wiki's recentchanges over the last year, it is now almost entirely and sporadically contributed to by the administrator who joined in 2019 named User:Altmark22. He seems to enjoy citing academia and promotes 'dark triad' theory, or the idea that adult women are particularly attracted to distasteful and selfish personality traits. The main pages he edits are about facial masculinity, physical appearance in general, genetic determinist pundits, and general wiki maintenance. He got into a public war with the last major contributor to the .wiki domain named User:Bujok, seemingly prompting Bujok to leave and stage a protest at WikiIndex before dissapearing. Their recentchanges page, edit pages, create account button, and special pages are locked from public view.

[The Blue Newt]

Incelwiki.com and incelwiki.org stopped resolving on or before January 9th 2023.

Their farewell page claims they were the original wiki writers and that the wiki was no longer fun to write for and that the humor expired, and that this is why they shut it down https://archive.is/AJnWR. archive.org seems to have archived most or all of both domains.

Using the public API to browse incels.wiki's recentchanges over the last year, it is now almost entirely and sporadically contributed to by the administrator who joined in 2019 named User:Altmark22. He seems to enjoy citing academia and promotes 'dark triad' theory, or the idea that adult women are particularly attracted to distasteful and selfish personality traits. The main pages he edits are about facial masculinity, physical appearance in general, genetic determinist pundits, and general wiki maintenance. He got into a public war with the last major contributor to the .wiki domain named User:Bujok, seemingly prompting Bujok to leave and stage a protest at WikiIndex before dissapearing. Their recentchanges page, edit pages, create account button, and special pages are locked from public view.

Someone who honestly believes laws against whoring originated in the 1940s is not to be trusted on other facts.

[wiki-reviewer]

Almost immediately after incelwiki.com and incelwiki.org went offline, 5-6 journalists started publishing 2 paragraph rundowns on the prior .wiki domain with a single active editor this month. This is seemingly led by a (foe?) of the wikis named Tim Suirriel. .

[Giraffe Stapler]

Almost immediately after incelwiki.com and incelwiki.org went offline, 5-6 journalists started publishing 2 paragraph rundowns on the prior .wiki domain with a single active editor this month. This is seemingly led by a (foe?) of the wikis named Tim Suirriel. .

Google doesn't know anything about "Tim Suirriel". Is he an incel?

EDIT: Never mind - you mean Tim Squirrell. Yes, he would be a foe of incel wikis, since he is an online extremism researcher. I mean, everyone should be a foe of incel wikis since they are toxic cesspits of violent misogyny, but it's kind of his job.

[wiki-reviewer]

Almost immediately after incelwiki.com and incelwiki.org went offline, 5-6 journalists started publishing 2 paragraph rundowns on the prior .wiki domain with a single active editor this month. This is seemingly led by a (foe?) of the wikis named Tim Suirriel. .

Google doesn't know anything about "Tim Suirriel". Is he an incel?

EDIT: Never mind - you mean Tim Squirrell. Yes, he would be a foe of incel wikis, since he is an online extremism researcher. I mean, everyone should be a foe of incel wikis since they are toxic cesspits of violent misogyny, but it's kind of his job.

After looking it seem you're right about Tim Squirrel. However being nominally involved in counter-extremism doesn't automatically mean someone doesn't promote incels. A few CVE orgs were promoting the incel forum which links to the .wiki domain, including this one:
https://archive.is/OyzdX


After all, how can CVE in general get grants to research something if it's gone? CVE clearly wants to keep at least some incel websites alive to grift off them.

[wiki-reviewer]

It also seems someone at Wikipedia just got involved in the subject possibly related as to why the .wiki domain is dying


(incels.wiki non-paid traffic over the last year according to SEMrush)
https://www.semrush.com/analytics/overv ... ncels.wiki

by creating this article yesterday

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctioned_Suicide

specifically wikipedia user User:Freedom4U. They wrote 7 paragraphs on the subject in just 2 days. They don't portray it in the best light ever.

if the domain owner of sanctionedsuicide is also claiming domain ownership of the only incel wiki currently online, it makes sense that would seem to put off everyone, including original wiki creators, writers, and admins.

According to DNS records, starting in 2021 or 2022, both .wiki and SancSui are now both registered under the same Wyoming business with a PO Box in New Mexico

[Giraffe Stapler]

After looking it seem you're right about Tim Squirrel. However being nominally involved in counter-extremism doesn't automatically mean someone doesn't promote incels. A few CVE orgs were promoting the incel forum which links to the .wiki domain, including this one:
https://archive.is/OyzdX

After all, how can CVE in general get grants to research something if it's gone? CVE clearly wants to keep at least some incel websites alive to grift off them.

This is a rabbit hole that I don't have time for, but "Alexander Ash" is apparently Diego Joaquín Galante co-owner (with Lamarcus Smalls) of the aforementioned "Sanctioned Suicide" site. So he is posing as a "reformed" incel while operating an incel site or sites and a suicide site. Nice.

[Giraffe Stapler]

This is a tangent of a tangent, but a Canadian man has been arrested for selling a food preservative to people wanting to end their lives (the actual charges relate to counseling suicide). He sold the product from multiple sites using multiple business names. I wonder if he might have been a member of Sanctioned Suicide and steered people towards his wares? I wonder if the owners of the site knew and/or got a cut?

[wiki-reviewer]

This is a tangent of a tangent, but a Canadian man has been arrested for selling a food preservative to people wanting to end their lives (the actual charges relate to counseling suicide). He sold the product from multiple sites using multiple business names. I wonder if he might have been a member of Sanctioned Suicide and steered people towards his wares? I wonder if the owners of the site knew and/or got a cut?

If you search Twitter for "Kenneth Law", you'll find moms-of-dead-children-from-sanctioned-suicide criticising Lamarcus, Diego, Nietzsche, and Kenneth Law, and making various claims about Lamarcus specifically.

The following screenshot was posted by a mom named Kelli. The profile shown says "Marquis" from SanctionedSuicide. Marquis is also reportedly "Master" from incels.is aka Lamarcus aka the owner of Vokl who booted almost everyone off incel wiki at the .wiki and domain and declared dictatorial ownership of it I in 2020 or 2021.

https://archive.is/d29dc



It shows him allegedly coordinating access to what is likely a seller of "N" they call "A" on Sanctioned Suicide. The archives you posted in a separate thread suggest SanctionedSuicide called Kenneth "KL". This local magazine CP24 confirms the initials thing and further states SS members went to Kenneth for consultation I think. The screen Kelli posted might from a group private message of some sort, because it would be nuts for anyone to post something like this in public, but who knows. The moms don't seem to know how webarchive works and webarchive deleted 2/3rds of their SS posts, leaving most on archive.is. So I doubt there's too many answers out there without interviewing former members of Sanctioned Suicide or something.

[wiki-reviewer]

Manosphere wikis, demotivational-science-abstracts, goofy internet-subcultural joking, and PSL culture is just not topical anymore and I don't see any way to revive that

updated incels.wiki organic traffic, down 6x from peak, and at lowest point yet. Part of the decline may also be due to updates in how Google Search indexes content. SEO people are in unison that Google now prioritizes content which is short and to-the-point, rather than comprehensive things like wikis.


.com/.org appeared to move further away from .wikis focus on manosphere stuff but according to their farewell page, found not much left to bother continuing and just posted links to love-shy.net and International Professional Surrogates Association.

[tinyboxs]

SEO people are in unison that Google now prioritizes content which is short and to-the-point, rather than comprehensive things like wikis.

this sadly means that the only place to put user-generated long form descriptive writing that has any chance of being widely used on the internet is indeed the 'pedia. all alternatives are doomed from the start.

[wiki-reviewer]

Vokl, the company which claimed ownership of the wiki since 2022 has now dissolved due to tax delinquency

https://wyobiz.wyo.gov/Business/FilingD ... 3175085164

Lamarcus Small, listed on legal forms as the owner of Vokl, was seemingly mostly using the LLC to avoid giving his address out. The wiki has no ads or revenue or donations. However, the suicide forum, which is owned by Small, had well over 8k+ in donations this year just by looking at the blockchains associated with the various crypto addresses they were using, but it's unknown who or what that went to. It doesn't cost that much to run a small web forum. It should only cost a few hundred a year. The incel forum owned by Small attempted a major fund raising drive this year by attempting to become a commercial site with "premium accounts", but it appears, at least on the surface, that this failed.

[wiki-reviewer]

Almost immediately after incelwiki.com and incelwiki.org went offline, 5-6 journalists started publishing 2 paragraph rundowns on the prior .wiki domain with a single active editor this month. This is seemingly led by a (foe?) of the wikis named Tim Suirriel. .

Most of these media articles have since been deleted or rewritten. It started with Tim's ISD report, then each media article got progressively less detached from reality through whatever game of telephone was going on. Lamarcus has only had a handful of non-copyedit content edits on any wiki to date (same with Diego). Most of his significant content edits are just removing non-violence banners or statements, further contradicting Tim Squirrel's claims that Lamarcus was trying to "rehabilitate the image of self-described incels". Lamarcus is also neither shown as creating the rules or design, or any part of the initial wiki. The media gets a lot wrong about the origin of these sites, the current [[incels.is]] Wikipedia article is a mess of factual errors. "Sergeantincel" wasn't a mod of r/incels, anyone can see this through pushshift. Who they are referring to was azavii, who modded incels.org, and later incels.me, "sergeantincel" simply recruited azavii onto .me. The r/incels ban evasion in 2017 also involved 3 independent sites, not 1.

This is why incel wikis have existed and still outpace the Wikipedia content despite losing popularity. Because commercial digital journalism has no default financial, status, or any incentive to relay facts correctly about a bunch of dirt poor sexless men, however deviant some of the forums are or not. Only time apart from this latest media deletion I've seen the media backtrack was when the therapist of a black incel (unassociated with incels.is) vaguely threatened a lawsuit while talking to some documentary producers on 2019 incel forums. This was after they were hearing what was going down.